Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-22 Thread John Valenti
They wouldn't sell me a phone until I gave them a service address. As I understand it, if they can't determine a location from the regular cell tower triangulation, they use that address. Personally, I don't care all that much. I lived for thirty years before the 911 system was available.

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-22 Thread George Rogato
GPS co-ordinates, your personal address, triangulation of cell towers to pin point your locaton. None of that satisfies e911, like the e911 that we are required to do provide to become a voip carrier and provide voip service. I say, if they can do this, there is a double standard and we're

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-22 Thread George Rogato
Haudy Kazemi wrote: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/discuss.php?fm=mff=136fi=1248052 A call to 911 will always try to use a tower if one is avaiable (even if you are connected to wifi), if not it will use the wifi network and privide the address that you registered with t-mobile -hk

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPS co-ordinates, your personal address, triangulation of cell towers to pin point your locaton. None of that satisfies e911, like the e911 that we are required to do provide to become a voip carrier and provide

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread John Valenti
I did a few tests at the East Lansing Starbucks. I start the call on WiFi and walk out the front door. By the time I'm 20' away it has switched over to a tower. I didn't detect any noise during the switch, but I was outside next to a 3 lane road. Unfortunately that doesn't work at my

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Peter R. wrote: The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering?

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
I don't know how the FCC will handle that issue. Maybe someone should ask them for a decision. - Peter George Rogato wrote: No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911 No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Means they can either use the cell towers to triangulate the position of the handset, which works better as more towers become visible. Or they have an actual GPS receiver in the handset that may or may not be usable by the handset owner with or without a 'GPS feature' enabling subscription.

[WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-20 Thread John Valenti
T-Mobile launched their [EMAIL PROTECTED] service at the end of June. I picked up one of these cell phones a few weeks ago. The deal is for an extra $10/month, you get unlimited calls in the US if they are made over wifi. The wifi connection generally works with any open AP, or if you know

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-20 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years. However, the T-Mobile offering looks appealing. So you had session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example let's say you walk out of

RE: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-20 Thread Drew Lentz
and other parts of the world and used by two U.S. wireless providers. Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix A. Lopez Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL