Interesting, I never would have thought that much. I was thinking more of
about 3-4 degrees.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
What is the terrain like? How much foliage are you trying to get
through?
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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cliff Olle
Sent: Monday, March 09,
I have been using these guys for a few years now, they have always done
well by us.
Cameron
Midcoast Internet
-Original Message-
From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:11 PM
To:
I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to
start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though).
I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified.
1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3
db line.
2). Downtilt so that
The best way to do this is to set up a cpe unit at your FURTHEST customer
site and one at your CLOSEST site.
Aim for the best signal at the furthest site, then check at the closest
site. If you need more signal at the closer site just aim down a little bit
more and make sure that the signal
The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector
will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI
will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction.
Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive
too much
They all work because antennas do NOT just stop radiating in a given
direction. They actually send energy all over the place, it's just stronger
in one direction than in the others.
We often talk about antennas like a flashlight, but that's not really quite
accurate. It's more like a light
Is that Tom DeReggi in the background?
* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
He said he would be there.
Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
Guess it was Tom :)
* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:58
Damn, I missed the meeting.
What happened?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Hi guys,
I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and
bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run
shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the
patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
Is anyone doing
Very nice
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM
To: 'WISPA
24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for
the POE?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5
runs.
Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or
Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping
at the block to the other pairs?
Dylan
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
24/4 =6
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up
OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote:
24/4 =6
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent:
As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a
single core cable.
I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
Regardless, they would also get power from the
Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to
power multiple radios.
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re:
Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But not
that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to same
AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really.
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in
Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did a
lot of work improving grounding but I am still worried.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for
Right. I guess the only difference is that separate shielding over a long
parallel run.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But
not that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all
I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So,
if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and
Uh, ok you can do this if you want to run more than six radios off of one
25pr cable...than sure.
But why if you have the equivalent of six cables run? We just run another
25pr and double our radio capacity from 6 to 12.
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other
radios.
= snip
Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping
at the block to the other pairs?
Dylan
= snip
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a
standard RJ45)
So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
just kidding!)
There you have it.
ryan
Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:
There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a
standard RJ45)
So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
We need to consider each application in terms of will it increase broadband
affordability and subscribership, will it provide the greatest broadband
speed to the most users? Will it enhance service for health care, education
or children?
And whether or not the applicant is a socially and
I guess the short answer, IMO and experience, is no. It's not as if we've
just started doing this, but actually have years of experience with this
type of very simple installation.
Do you now understand that all six radios are NOT powered off of a single
pair? Each radio has all eight
Well shucks.. you just saved countless CPE from being fried... :)
yes, 1,2,3 and 6.
I am not so good at the typin' stuff!
ryan
Adam Goodman wrote:
Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:
There are 25 pairs of wires in
Wow...no offense, but I give up. You guys are making a mountain out of a
mole hill!
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re:
It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use. If you just try
matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to
punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6
working Ethernet cables. For short runs you could probably get away with
not
By wire I mean the 25 pair single core cable.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote:
Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too.
Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David
Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too.
Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote:
It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use. If you just try
matching wires or pairs at
We don't do this, as we have radios at various heights on the tower.
Here is an example of our antennas being at different heights:
http://www.f64.nu/gallery2007/view_photo.php?full=1set_albumName=album128id=DSC2218
This uses mostly coax except for hoz antenna on a standoff which uses
cat5 up
The 15 Questions on the Federal Registar. Are we going to list them here
and discuss them in this forum? The legislative forum?
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2009/FR_BTOP_RFI_090312.pdf Due 30 days
from today.
Data gathering for the grant applications. Providing service to the
underserved
ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet
converters?
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
WISPA Wants You!
Last I checked I think they were about $3500 a pair for the GigE version and
$2500 for the 100MB version.
Ahhh, found an old quote for the standard 100MB version from my RAD
Representative back on 9-2-04:
(2) RIC-155/AC/SC13MM1207.50ea $2415.00total
I have one GigE version
I'd argue none of the 3 above.
For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise
Downtilt until your mainlobe (3db mark) edge is no longer going beyond your
maximum intended coverage range, or a bit more, if you can afford further
isolation from the potential adjacent
Thats what I thought to, originally. Originally it was a Horiz omni at
175ft, vert omni at 150 feet. Then it became 3 sectors at 200ft. (I have
70-100ft mature trees around) But I had to move them up. I was able to
double my customer coverage area by going to 425ft high.
There becomes a ratio
yep :-) It was.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Conference
Is that Tom DeReggi in the
Tom, that's option 1, which I think you suggested earlier, and why I put
it on my list.
1). Downtilt enough so all customers fall within the main lobes -3db mark.
Regards
Michael Baird
I'd argue none of the 3 above.
For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise
Does the Radwin have spectrum management tools like Motorola high speed
backhauls?
Thanks
-Jon
3-dB Networks wrote:
The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol)..
Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself.
But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik
Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when
that happens
:-)
-B-
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little
help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
feel a little better with
huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST. :)
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little
help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info
if you
At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd
probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
something..
Brian
Bob Moldashel wrote:
Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when
that happens
:-)
-B-
Brian
I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist.
Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses
except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of
offlist messages I got after that saying
Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
-RickG
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Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
That's a
Hmmm...might still have that email... evil grin
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I F-bombed a guy
I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting
out back of the office.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re:
Too many witnesses
I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..
-B-
Rick Harnish wrote:
I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting
out back of the office.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Just noticed Adam, your in Great Barrington, Very nice area.
I'm from the other side of Mass myself.
I remember those thunder storms.
Adam Goodman wrote:
Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in
Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did
Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
$80k check?
Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to
stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done
I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread. I smell
politics.
Brad Belton wrote:
Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
$80k check?
Something tells me that
http://www.f-tech.net/
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm
l
News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today.
Rick
-Original Message-
From:
LOL, riding his unicycle...
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
http://www.f-tech.net/
Not sure Brad.
I was doing some math the other day.
$1 Trillion divided by the US population of 303,824,640=
$3291.37 USD per person.
Question is, what is a household?
Average household size. 2.59
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts ( Has 2007 population
statistics)
Answer:
LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
even in the ballpark!
Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
;-)
Chuck
On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
Is it true that
Find all the details in this article.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok
U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on
Bailout Programs (Update1)
By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress
is completing would raise
I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
Trillion by the time they are all done.
Seriously.
For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
we have plenty of both
That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are
seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector.
That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus
was just a plain and simple check cut to each household.
The numbers
Yeah, but that's taking supposed stimulus over the last several
*years*, and most of that isn't even stimulus money in the first place
(FDIC money isn't stimulus money in nearly any definition but the
author's) and much of the rest of the article is speculative at best.
It isn't even
Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well
then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin
That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the
I knew you would pick up on that !
:)
George
Brad Belton wrote:
Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well
then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin
That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
home address made out to
The problem is, if everyone was given $10K, it'd be truly worthless.
There aren't any more goods produced by issuing checks like
that...just more cash-which means inflation of a most extreme sort.
There's that risk as it is, but at least there's some attempt to focus
on how it's used (I'm
On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote:
I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
Trillion by the time they are all done.
Seriously.
For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have
yet
to actually meet anyone, anyone from the
Don't worry Chuck, your not alone.
I've resigned myself to it's interesting conversation and no matter what
I or most think, it doesn't matter anyways.
Chuck Bartosch wrote:
On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote:
I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to
For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help. I'd have NEVER figured
out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out
why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing.
We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable.
In a couple of
Wasn't Blett Grass involved in this thread somehow?
(trying to bypass the universal mailling list spam filter with my
misspelling :^)
Larsen
Bob Moldashel wrote:
Too many witnesses
I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..
-B-
Rick Harnish wrote:
I remember that too!
Depends on when, but I was there too. I haven't been there for years. I
moved to P15 when I found that.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 10,
Oh man. Now I'm gonna have nightmares again!
I hope he fell off the face of the earth! lol
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Hey Allen,
Your name has come up yet again! When are you gonna buy a couple of radios
and come back to the only job you've ever been good at?? lol
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 10,
In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100
million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009
Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
paragraph...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
Brad
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Wednesday, March 11,
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