Re: [WISPA] schools

[Brad Belton]

Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
paragraph...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 
million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>
> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>
> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see 
> fit.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>
> Seriously.
>
> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
> worth while.
> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
> own fault.
> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And
> I come across a lot of people.
>
>
> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, 
> myself.
>
> George
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>> even in the ballpark!
>>
>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
>>> be equal
>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
>>> $70k or
>>> $80k check?
>>>
>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
>>> to
>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
>>> far...
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
>>> Hearing
>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>>
>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
>>> are
>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>>> business. :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Where is this headed?
 http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
 Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
 -RickG



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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Tom Sharples]

In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 
million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>
> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>
> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see 
> fit.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>
> Seriously.
>
> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
> worth while.
> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
> own fault.
> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And
> I come across a lot of people.
>
>
> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, 
> myself.
>
> George
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>> even in the ballpark!
>>
>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
>>> be equal
>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
>>> $70k or
>>> $80k check?
>>>
>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
>>> to
>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
>>> far...
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
>>> Hearing
>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>>
>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
>>> are
>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>>> business. :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Where is this headed?
 http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
 Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
 -RickG



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[WISPA] Allen Marsalis -- was -- Re: OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hey Allen,

Your name has come up yet again!  When are you gonna buy a couple of radios 
and come back to the only job you've ever been good at??  lol
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Lists" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile


> LOL, riding his unicycle...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> http://www.f-tech.net/
> http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html
> http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm
> l
>
>
> News from the past!  Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> Too many witnesses
>
> I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..
>
> -B-
>
>
> Rick Harnish wrote:
>> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel
> waiting
>> out back of the office.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>>
>> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.
>> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses
>> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>>
>> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of
>> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and
>> "way to go".
>>
>> 
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd
>>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
>>> something..
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>>
 Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when
 that happens

 :-)

 -B-


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some
> info if you could show me.
>
> Brian
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>
>
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to 
>> do
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>
>> __
>>
>> airCloud Communications
>> Broadband for Business
>> Public and Private WiFi
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> _
>>
>> ConsuWISP
>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>> Network Optimization and Planning
>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>> Installer and Technician Training
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>> documentation.
>>
>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Uhm...ya...
>>>
>>> Try this...
>>>
>>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
>>> poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
> how



>> to
>>
>>
>>
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help 

Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Oh man.  Now I'm gonna have nightmares again!

I hope he fell off the face of the earth!  lol
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Moldashel" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile


> Too many witnesses
>
> I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..
>
> -B-
>
>
> Rick Harnish wrote:
>> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel 
>> waiting
>> out back of the office.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>>
>> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.
>> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses
>> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>>
>> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of
>> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and
>> "way to go".
>>
>> 
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd
>>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
>>> something..
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>>
 Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when
 that happens

 :-)

 -B-


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some
> info if you could show me.
>
> Brian
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>
>
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to 
>> do
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>
>> __
>>
>> airCloud Communications
>> Broadband for Business
>> Public and Private WiFi
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> _
>>
>> ConsuWISP
>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>> Network Optimization and Planning
>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>> Installer and Technician Training
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>> documentation.
>>
>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Uhm...ya...
>>>
>>> Try this...
>>>
>>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
>>> poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out 
 how



>> to
>>
>>
>>
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon








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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Mike Hammett]

Depends on when, but I was there too.  I haven't been there for years.  I 
moved to P15 when I found that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: "Bob Moldashel" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:14 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST   Re:  radio mobile

> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.
> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses
> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>
> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of
> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and
> "way to go".
>
> 
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd
>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
>> something..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when
>>> that happens
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>
 Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
 help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
 feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some
 info if you could show me.

 Brian

 Jerry Richardson wrote:

> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>
> __
>
> airCloud Communications
> Broadband for Business
> Public and Private WiFi
>
> Jerry Richardson
> VP Operations
> 925-260-4119
> _
>
> ConsuWISP
> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
> Network Optimization and Planning
> Network Design and Troubleshooting
> Installer and Technician Training
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>
>
>> Uhm...ya...
>>
>> Try this...
>>
>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out 
>>> how
>>>
>>>
> to
>
>
>>> get
>>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
>>> willing
>>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>>
>>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Wasn't "Blett Grass" involved in this thread somehow?  

(trying to bypass the universal mailling list spam filter with my 
misspelling :^)

Larsen

Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Too many witnesses
>
> I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..
>
> -B-
>
>
> Rick Harnish wrote:
>   
>> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting
>> out back of the office.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>>
>> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
>> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
>> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>>
>> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
>> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
>> "way to go".
>>
>> 
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
>>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
>>> something..
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
 that happens

 :-)

 -B-


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
   
   
 
> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
> info if you could show me.
>
> Brian
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
> 
> 
>   
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>>  
>> __ 
>>
>> airCloud Communications
>> Broadband for Business
>> Public and Private WiFi
>>  
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> _
>>  
>> ConsuWISP
>> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
>> Network Optimization and Planning
>> Network Design and Troubleshooting
>> Installer and Technician Training
>>  
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>> documentation.
>>
>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>   
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>> Uhm...ya...
>>>
>>> Try this...
>>>
>>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
   
   
   
 
>> to
>>   
>>   
>>   
>> 
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon





   
   
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Marlon K. Schafer]

For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help.  I'd have NEVER figured 
out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out 
why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing.

We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable.

In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all day 
or more!

Thanks again Jerry!

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Rohrbacher 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile


  Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little help.  
I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little 
better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me.

  Brian

  Jerry Richardson wrote: 
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
__ 

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Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi
 
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VP Operations
925-260-4119
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Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  to
  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  

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Re: [WISPA] schools

[George Rogato]

Don't worry Chuck, your not alone.
I've resigned myself to it's interesting conversation and no matter what 
I or most think, it doesn't matter anyways.


Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote:
> 
>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
>> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have  
>> yet
>> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right,  
>> and
>> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
>> worth while.
> 
> Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the  
> spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an  
> opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't  
> know dinky-do.
> 
> I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to  
> pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be  
> all that economic stress is addling my brain!
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that  
>> way. I
>> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
>> own fault.
>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea.  
>> And
>> I come across a lot of people.
>>
>>
>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,  
>> myself.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>>> even in the ballpark!
>>>
>>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>>
 Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
 be equal
 to or less than the government writing every household in America a
 $70k or
 $80k check?

 Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
 to
 "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
 far...

 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
 Hearing
 right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money,  
 they
 are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
 next school year. And the year after that there may be that many  
 more.
 That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

 So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
 are
 STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
 business. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Rogato wrote:

> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>
> Seriously.
>
> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have  
> yet
> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right,  
> and
> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
> worth while.

Yeah, I've heard similar comments from folks on both ends of the  
spectrum. There's lots of skepticism. Me, I don't bother having an  
opinion because, as much as I keep up on this stuff...well, I don't  
know dinky-do.

I have *no* idea why I'm responding to this thread. Normally I like to  
pretend I'm smart enough to stay out of such discussions ;-). Must be  
all that economic stress is addling my brain!

Chuck

> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that  
> way. I
> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
> own fault.
> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea.  
> And
> I come across a lot of people.
>
>
> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,  
> myself.
>
> George
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>> even in the ballpark!
>>
>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
>>> be equal
>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
>>> $70k or
>>> $80k check?
>>>
>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
>>> to
>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
>>> far...
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
>>> Hearing
>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money,  
>>> they
>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many  
>>> more.
>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>>
>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
>>> are
>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>>> business. :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Where is this headed?
 http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
 Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Chuck Bartosch]

The problem is, if everyone was given $10K, it'd be truly worthless.  
There aren't any more goods produced by issuing checks like  
that...just more "cash"-which means inflation of a most extreme sort.  
There's that risk as it is, but at least there's some attempt to focus  
on how it's used (I'm not saying I agree with any of this by the way.  
I know something's got to be done, but I doubt it is clear to anyone  
just what that something really should be).

Chuck

On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> That's kind of the point.  Travis's post illuminated that many of us  
> are
> seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government  
> sector.
> That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the  
> "stimulus"
> was just a plain and simple check cut to each household.
>
>
>
> The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with  
> everything
> that is being spent.  The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on  
> more
> than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it.
>
>
>
> Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if  
> they
> knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70  
> - $80k!
>
>
>
>
> Puts things a little more in perspective.
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
>
>
> Find all the details in this article.
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory
>  >
> &sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
>
> U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1)
>
> By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
>
> Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is  
> completing
> would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial  
> crisis to
> $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the  
> nation's home
> mortgages.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>
> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
> even in the ballpark!
>
> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>
> ;-)
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>
>
> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
> be equal
> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
> $70k or
> $80k check?
>
> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
> to
> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
> far...
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
> Hearing
> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>
> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
> are
> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
> business. :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> RickG wrote:
>
>
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
> -RickG
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[George Rogato]

I knew you would pick up on that !

:)

George

Brad Belton wrote:
> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
> 
> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!  
> 
> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
> 
> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 
> Trillion by the time they are all done.
> 
> Seriously.
> 
> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet 
> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and 
> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is 
> worth while.
> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I 
> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there 
> own fault.
> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And 
> I come across a lot of people.
> 
> 
> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
>> even in the ballpark!
>>
>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
>>> be equal
>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
>>> $70k or
>>> $80k check?
>>>
>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
>>> to
>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
>>> far...
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
>>> Hearing
>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>>
>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
>>> are
>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>>> business. :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Where is this headed?
 http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
 Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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[Brad Belton]

Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  

That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
home address made out to Yours Truly instead!  

Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit.

Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 
Trillion by the time they are all done.

Seriously.

For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet 
to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and 
we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is 
worth while.
I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I 
hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there 
own fault.
But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And 
I come across a lot of people.


I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself.

George


Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
> even in the ballpark!
> 
> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
> 
>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
>> be equal
>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
>> $70k or
>> $80k check?
>>
>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
>> to
>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
>> far...
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>> On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
>> Hearing
>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>
>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
>> are
>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>> business. :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Where is this headed?
>>> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
>>> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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[Chuck Bartosch]

Yeah, but that's taking supposed "stimulus" over the last several  
*years*, and most of that isn't even stimulus money in the first place  
(FDIC money isn't "stimulus" money in nearly any definition but the  
author's) and much of the rest of the article is speculative at best.  
It isn't even remotely "true" that the _stimulus_ is within spitting  
distance of the claimed $9.7 trillion.

Now if the *stimulus* money were *really* $7+ trillion life would be  
very interesting indeed.

Chuck

On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> Find all the details in this article.
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? 
> pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok
>
> U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1)
> By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
>
> Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is  
> completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving the  
> financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90  
> percent of the nation’s home mortgages.
> Brian
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>
>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>> even in the ballpark!
>>
>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
>>> be equal
>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
>>> $70k or
>>> $80k check?
>>>
>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
>>> to
>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
>>> far...
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
>>> Hearing
>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money,  
>>> they
>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many  
>>> more.
>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>>
>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
>>> are
>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>>> business. :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
>>>
 Where is this headed?
 http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
 Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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[Brad Belton]

That's kind of the point.  Travis's post illuminated that many of us are
seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector.
That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the "stimulus"
was just a plain and simple check cut to each household.

 

The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything
that is being spent.  The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more
than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it.  

 

Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they
knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k!


 

Puts things a little more in perspective.

 

Brad

 

 

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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 

Find all the details in this article.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory

&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) 

By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing
would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to
$9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home
mortgages.

Brian



Chuck Bartosch wrote: 

LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
even in the ballpark!
 
Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
 
;-)
 
Chuck
 
On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
 
  

Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
$70k or
$80k check?
 
Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
far...
 
Brad
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
 
Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
Hearing
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
 
So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
are
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
business. :(
 
Travis
Microserv
 
RickG wrote:


Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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[George Rogato]

I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 
Trillion by the time they are all done.

Seriously.

For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet 
to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and 
we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is 
worth while.
I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I 
hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there 
own fault.
But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And 
I come across a lot of people.


I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself.

George


Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
> even in the ballpark!
> 
> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
> 
>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
>> be equal
>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
>> $70k or
>> $80k check?
>>
>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
>> to
>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
>> far...
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>> On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
>> Hearing
>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>>
>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
>> are
>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
>> business. :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Where is this headed?
>>> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
>>> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
>>> -RickG
>>>
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[Brian Rohrbacher]

Find all the details in this article.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on
Bailout Programs (Update1)  
By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
 Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress
is completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving
the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more
than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages.

Brian



Chuck Bartosch wrote:

  LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
even in the ballpark!

Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

;-)

Chuck

On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
  
Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
$70k or
$80k check?

Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
far...

Brad




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On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
Hearing
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
are
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:


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[Chuck Bartosch]

LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
even in the ballpark!

Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

;-)

Chuck

On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
> be equal
> to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
> $70k or
> $80k check?
>
> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
> to
> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
> far...
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
> Hearing
> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>
> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
> are
> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
> business. :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Where is this headed?
>> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
>> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[George Rogato]

Not sure Brad.

I was doing some math the other day.
$1 Trillion divided by the US population of 303,824,640=
$3291.37 USD per person.

Question is, what is a household?

Average household size. 2.59

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts ( Has 2007 population 
statistics)


Answer:" $8,524.6483 per average American household.

See all they got to do is raise our taxes and it will be paid off in no 
time.

(Was meant to be sarcastic)


Hope this was helpful.

George




Brad Belton wrote:
> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal
> to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
> $80k check?  
> 
> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to
> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far...
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
> 
> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing 
> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they 
> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors 
> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. 
> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
> 
> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are 
> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of 
> business. :(
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> RickG wrote:
>> Where is this headed?
>> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
>> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Lists]

LOL, riding his unicycle...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

http://www.f-tech.net/
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm
l


News from the past!  Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

Too many witnesses

I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..

-B-


Rick Harnish wrote:
> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel
waiting
> out back of the office.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>
> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
> "way to go".
>
> 
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   
>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
>> something..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>>> that happens
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
 help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
 feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
 info if you could show me.

 Brian

 Jerry Richardson wrote:
 
 
> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>  
> __ 
>
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>  
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> VP Operations
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> Network Design and Troubleshooting
> Installer and Technician Training
>  
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   
>   
>   
>> Uhm...ya...
>>
>> Try this...
>>
>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
how
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> to
>   
>   
>   
>>> get
>>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>>> willing
>>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>>
>>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Rick Harnish]

http://www.f-tech.net/
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm
l


News from the past!  Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

Too many witnesses

I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..

-B-


Rick Harnish wrote:
> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel
waiting
> out back of the office.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>
> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
> "way to go".
>
> 
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   
>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
>> something..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>>> that happens
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
 help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
 feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
 info if you could show me.

 Brian

 Jerry Richardson wrote:
 
 
> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>  
> __ 
>
> airCloud Communications
> Broadband for Business
> Public and Private WiFi
>  
> Jerry Richardson
> VP Operations
> 925-260-4119
> _
>  
> ConsuWISP
> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
> Network Optimization and Planning
> Network Design and Troubleshooting
> Installer and Technician Training
>  
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   
>   
>   
>> Uhm...ya...
>>
>> Try this...
>>
>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
how
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> to
>   
>   
>   
>>> get
>>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>>> willing
>>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>>
>>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
>   
>   
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread.  I smell
politics.

Brad Belton wrote:

  Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
$80k check?  

Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far...

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing 
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they 
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors 
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. 
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are 
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of 
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
  
  
Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
-RickG




  
  

  
  
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Brad Belton]

Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
$80k check?  

Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far...

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing 
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they 
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors 
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. 
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are 
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of 
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[George Rogato]

Just noticed Adam, your in Great Barrington, Very nice area.
I'm from the other side of Mass myself.
I remember those thunder storms.


Adam Goodman wrote:
> Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in
> Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did a
> lot of work improving grounding but I am still worried.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size
>> to power multiple radios.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Adam Goodman 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>>
>>
>> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>>> 24/4 =6
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
 Behalf Of Adam Goodman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
 for
 the POE?





 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
 CAT5
> runs.
>
> Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
 the
> cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>
> Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
 talking
> about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
 panel
> rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
 punched
> down into a patch panel.
>
> This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
 the
> correct color code look here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
 and
> bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
 and
> run
> shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
 the
> patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>
> Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
 do
> you
> use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Bob Moldashel]

Too many witnesses

I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..

-B-


Rick Harnish wrote:
> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting
> out back of the office.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>
> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
> "way to go".
>
> 
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   
>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
>> something..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>>> that happens
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
 help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
 feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
 info if you could show me.

 Brian

 Jerry Richardson wrote:
 
 
> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>  
> __ 
>
> airCloud Communications
> Broadband for Business
> Public and Private WiFi
>  
> Jerry Richardson
> VP Operations
> 925-260-4119
> _
>  
> ConsuWISP
> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   
>   
>   
>> Uhm...ya...
>>
>> Try this...
>>
>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> to
>   
>   
>   
>>> get
>>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>>> willing
>>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>>
>>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Rick Harnish]

I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting
out back of the office.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen

So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
"way to go".



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
> something..
>
> Brian
>
> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>> that happens
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>   
>>> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
>>> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
>>> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
>>> info if you could show me.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> 
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
   
> Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
>>   
>>   
 to
   
   
>> get
>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>> willing
>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>
>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>   


 
   
   
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Jeff Broadwick]

Hmmm...might still have that email...   

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses
except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen

So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of offlist
messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and "way to go".



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
> something..
>
> Brian
>
> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate 
>> when that happens
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>   
>>> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a 
>>> little help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the 
>>> program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to 
>>> take in some info if you could show me.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> 
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to 
 do that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
  
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of 
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
   
> Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out 
>> how
>>   
>>   
 to
   
   
>> get
>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  
>> Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure 
>> out the basics?
>>
>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>   
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Re: [WISPA] schools

[Travis Johnson]

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing 
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they 
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors 
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. 
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are 
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of 
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Bob Moldashel]

I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen

So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
"way to go".



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
> something..
>
> Brian
>
> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>> that happens
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>   
>>> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
>>> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
>>> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
>>> info if you could show me.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> 
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
  
 __ 

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 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi
  
 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _
  
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 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training
  
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
   
> Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
>>   
>>   
 to
   
   
>> get
>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>> willing
>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>
>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>   
 
 
   
   
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd
probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
something..

Brian

Bob Moldashel wrote:

  Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
that happens

:-)

-B-


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
info if you could show me.

Brian

Jerry Richardson wrote:


  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:




  Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  
  

  
  to
  
  
  

  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  
  

  
  

  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST.  :)

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info
if you could show me.
  
Brian
  
Jerry Richardson wrote:
  
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  

  Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:


  
Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  
  

to
  

  
get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Bob Moldashel]

Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
that happens

:-)

-B-


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
> feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
> info if you could show me.
>
> Brian
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>>
>> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
>> that?
>>
>> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>>
>> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
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>> __ 
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>>  
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>> VP Operations
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
>> documentation.
>>
>> I'll pay someone for their time.
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Uhm...ya...
>>>
>>> Try this...
>>>
>>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
   
>> to
>>   
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon





   
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[WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info
if you could show me.

Brian

Jerry Richardson wrote:

  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
__ 

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Broadband for Business
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VP Operations
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:



  Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  

  
  to
  
  

  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  

  
  

  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Jon Langeler]

Does the Radwin have spectrum management tools like Motorola high speed 
backhauls?

Thanks
-Jon

3-dB Networks wrote:
> The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol)..
> Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself.
>
>  
>
> But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik
>
>  
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>  
>
> The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean
> spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a
> couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will
> hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same
> enclosure
> (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5
> 8-R2)
>
> 2 x RB433AH
> 4 x SR5 cards
> 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails
>
> I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to
> build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real
> challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would
> think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote: 
>
> ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
> 40 to 50 meg full duplex.
> and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
> get the bid for this project if
> I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
> not sure I can make it happen
> do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
> that microtik has a unit they say can do
> 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
> experiance with them?
>  
> Ryan
>  
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  
>  wrote:
>  
>   
>
> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
> -RickG
>  
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  
>  wrote:
>  
> 
>
> An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>   
>
> cheaper...
> 
>
> PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
>   
>
> but
> 
>
> that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>  
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>  
>  
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>  
> The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
> a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
> find for this kind of bandwidth.
>  
> Travis
> Microserv
>  
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
> 
>
> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear
>   
>
> is
> 
>
> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
>   
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> capacity?
> 
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> Thanks
> Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Michael Baird]

Tom, that's option 1, which I think you suggested earlier, and why I put 
it on my list.

1). Downtilt enough so all customers fall within the main lobes -3db mark.

Regards
Michael Baird
> I'd argue none of the 3 above.
>
> For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise 
> Downtilt until your mainlobe (3db mark) edge is no longer going beyond your 
> maximum intended coverage range, or a bit more, if you can afford further 
> isolation from the potential adjacent cell interference source.
>
> The primary goal is to keep harmfull interference from shooting off to the 
> horizon (ultimately protecting your network since receive gain/beamwidth  is 
> reciprocal). How much tilt is required to do that, depends on the antenna 
> beamwidth, and the height that you decide to install at, for what ever 
> reason.
>
> In 5.8G its less critical because you can make up for it on CPE side antenna 
> side, and ther eare much fewer noise sources at 5.8Ghz.
> That is until your 5.8G area gets congested :-(  But because 5.8G may have 
> smaller verticle beamwidths, the nearfield potentially could be more of a 
> concern, that the other freqs.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Baird" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>
>
>   
>> I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to
>> start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though).
>>
>> I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified.
>>
>> 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3
>> db line.
>> 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended
>> coverage.
>> 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected
>> coverage area.
>>
>> These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>> 
>>> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz
>>> sectors.
>>>
>>> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 
>>> deg
>>> vert beamwidth.
>>>
>>> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>>>
>>> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>>>
>>> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>>>
>>> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>>>
>>> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the 
>>> tilt.
>>> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a
>>> single degree.
>>>
>>> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles 
>>> !"
>>> coverage at optimal signal strength.
>>> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether 
>>> you
>>> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>>>
>>> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor 
>>> is
>>> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self 
>>> interference,
>>> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For 
>>> example,
>>> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of 
>>> foliage
>>> in a path.
>>>
>>> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area 
>>> within
>>> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power 
>>> as
>>> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have 
>>> found
>>> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good
>>> versus bad link.
>>>
>>> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 
>>> db"
>>> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant 
>>> amount
>>> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB 
>>> counts.
>>>
>>> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids 
>>> more
>>> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was 
>>> to
>>> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it
>>> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels
>>> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our
>>> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage
>>> area.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Cliff Olle" 
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek 
 antenna,
 if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?



 
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Tom DeReggi]

Thats what I thought to, originally. Originally it was a Horiz omni at 
175ft, vert omni at 150 feet.  Then it became 3 sectors at 200ft. (I have 
70-100ft mature trees around) But I had to move them up. I was able to 
double my customer coverage area by going to 425ft high.
There becomes a ratio of how much loss your trees give compared to the 
interference of going higher.
In my case thick pine trees, and dirt on rolling hills, caused much more 
loss than interference did. (And I was in very high Interference areas)
Height was absolutely required, because it minimized the number of tree tops 
that the signal had to go through significantly.
(Actually its feasible my antennas were at heights above the noise height, 
at 425 ft, considering many interfering rooftop 900Mhz antennas were on 5 
story height buildings in nearby cities)
But when being that high Adequate downtilt was absolutely required.  I 
wanted to restrict to 3-5 mile coverage, for my core target.
As was Horizontal pol, and High quality F/B ratio Tiltek sectors, as was 
10-15 feet min verticle seperation per antenna.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "jp" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


> The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector
> will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI
> will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive
> too much interference in my areas. I'd be hesitant to put 900 over 150
> feet. But anything going that high up should be a high quality antenna,
> anything else is false economy in the event it needs repair or
> replacement.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:42:57AM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz
>> sectors.
>>
>> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 
>> deg
>> vert beamwidth.
>>
>> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>>
>> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>>
>> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>>
>> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>>
>> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the 
>> tilt.
>> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a
>> single degree.
>>
>> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles 
>> !"
>> coverage at optimal signal strength.
>> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether 
>> you
>> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>>
>> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor 
>> is
>> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self 
>> interference,
>> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For 
>> example,
>> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of 
>> foliage
>> in a path.
>>
>> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area 
>> within
>> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power 
>> as
>> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have 
>> found
>> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good
>> versus bad link.
>>
>> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 
>> db"
>> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant 
>> amount
>> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB 
>> counts.
>>
>> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids 
>> more
>> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was 
>> to
>> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it
>> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels
>> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our
>> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage
>> area.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Cliff Olle" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>>
>>
>> > For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek 
>> > antenna,
>> > if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Tom DeReggi]

I'd argue none of the 3 above.

For 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz (because of wider Verticle beamwidths) I'd advise 
Downtilt until your mainlobe (3db mark) edge is no longer going beyond your 
maximum intended coverage range, or a bit more, if you can afford further 
isolation from the potential adjacent cell interference source.

The primary goal is to keep harmfull interference from shooting off to the 
horizon (ultimately protecting your network since receive gain/beamwidth  is 
reciprocal). How much tilt is required to do that, depends on the antenna 
beamwidth, and the height that you decide to install at, for what ever 
reason.

In 5.8G its less critical because you can make up for it on CPE side antenna 
side, and ther eare much fewer noise sources at 5.8Ghz.
That is until your 5.8G area gets congested :-(  But because 5.8G may have 
smaller verticle beamwidths, the nearfield potentially could be more of a 
concern, that the other freqs.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Baird" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


> I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to
> start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though).
>
> I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified.
>
> 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3
> db line.
> 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended
> coverage.
> 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected
> coverage area.
>
> These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz
>> sectors.
>>
>> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 
>> deg
>> vert beamwidth.
>>
>> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>>
>> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>>
>> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>>
>> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>>
>> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the 
>> tilt.
>> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a
>> single degree.
>>
>> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles 
>> !"
>> coverage at optimal signal strength.
>> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether 
>> you
>> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>>
>> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor 
>> is
>> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self 
>> interference,
>> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For 
>> example,
>> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of 
>> foliage
>> in a path.
>>
>> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area 
>> within
>> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power 
>> as
>> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have 
>> found
>> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good
>> versus bad link.
>>
>> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 
>> db"
>> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant 
>> amount
>> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB 
>> counts.
>>
>> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids 
>> more
>> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was 
>> to
>> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it
>> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels
>> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our
>> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage
>> area.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Cliff Olle" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>>
>>
>>
>>> For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek 
>>> antenna,
>>> if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost?

[Brad Belton]

Last I checked I think they were about $3500 a pair for the GigE version and
$2500 for the 100MB version.

Ahhh, found an old quote for the standard 100MB version from my RAD
Representative back on 9-2-04:
 
(2) RIC-155/AC/SC13MM1207.50ea $2415.00total


I have one GigE version on the shelf I picked up the other day...still have
my eye out for another to make a pair. 


Best,


Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: Motorola Canopy User Group
Subject: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost?

ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet
converters?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
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[WISPA] RIC-155 cost?

[Gino Villarini]

ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet
converters?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Conference

[Denise Hamilton]

The 15 Questions on the Federal Registar.  Are we going to list them here
and discuss them in this forum? The legislative forum?
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2009/FR_BTOP_RFI_090312.pdf  Due 30 days
from today.

Data gathering for the grant applications.  Providing service to the
underserved or unserved.  What resources are being utilized or can be
utilized to gather this information on a wide scale?

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Conference

"We need to consider each application in terms of will it increase broadband

affordability and subscribership, will it provide the greatest broadband 
speed to the most users?  Will it enhance service for health care, education

or children?
And whether or not the applicant is a socially and economically 
disadvantaged small business.  "

Hopefully this means the money is for us and not AT&T\Comcast.



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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[jp]

We don't do this, as we have radios at various heights on the tower. 
Here is an example of our antennas being at different heights:
http://www.f64.nu/gallery2007/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album128&id=DSC2218
This uses mostly coax except for hoz antenna on a standoff which uses 
cat5 up the tower, but you get the idea. Vertical separation is good.

I can't really imagine running a conduit, putting in a 25pr, installling 
a cabinet at height, punchdown blocks, etc... is that much easier than 
just strapping on a cat5 when you need to install something.

If you're going to having a junction box up high, that generally means 
to me putting cat5 in between the radio and the junction box and putting 
rj45 connectors on while strapped to the tower in a swift cold wind.

We generally put together the cable end on the ground, send it up with 
the climber, and when it's in place, we chop it from the spool on the 
ground and do the ground termination on the ground. The climber fastens 
the rest of it to the tower as he descends.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:29:01PM -0400, Adam Goodman wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and
> bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run
> shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the
> patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> 
> Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you
> use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too.

Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy?



On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David  wrote:

> It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use.  If you just try
> matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to
> punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6
> working Ethernet cables.  For short runs you could probably get away with
> not following the standard but don't try it for long runs.
>
> David
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
> > You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a
> > standard RJ45)
> > So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
> > For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
> > just kidding!)
> >
> > There you have it.
> >
> > ryan
> >
> >
> > Brad Belton wrote:
> > > I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
> > >
> > > 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
> > >
> > > There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
> > >
> > > 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
> > >
> > > Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5
> > cable.  So,
> > > if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
> > giving
> > > you 6 cables.
> > >
> > > Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk
> > with
> > > this type of installation and have several installed this way on a
> > variety
> > > of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I
> > don't
> > > believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > >
> > > As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue
> > with a
> > > single core cable.
> > >
> > > I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
> > individually
> > > shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of
> > course.
> > >
> > > Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could
> > put
> > > individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would
> > have one
> > > for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a
> > 150'
> > >>
> > > run?
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 24/4 =6
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> > boun...@wispa.org] On
> >  Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> >  To: WISPA General List
> >  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > 
> >  24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break
> > it out
> >  for
> >  the POE?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
> > standard
> > >
> >  CAT5
> > 
> > > runs.
> > >
> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and
> > breakout
> > >
> >  the
> > 
> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then
> > run
> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> > >
> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> > >
> >  talking
> > 
> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
> > vertical
> > >
> >  panel
> > 
> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is
> > simply
> > >
> >  punched
> > 
> > > down into a patch panel.
> > >
> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.
> > For
> > >
> >  the
> > 
> > > correct color code look here:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> > boun...@wispa.org]
> > >
> >  On
> > 
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > >

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

By wire I mean the 25 pair single core cable.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:

> Thank you everyone. Very helpful. thank you for the picture too.
>
> Is there a part number for the wire and a good place to buy?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use.  If you just try
>> matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to
>> punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6
>> working Ethernet cables.  For short runs you could probably get away with
>> not following the standard but don't try it for long runs.
>>
>> David
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> >
>> > There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
>> > You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a
>> > standard RJ45)
>> > So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
>> > For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
>> > just kidding!)
>> >
>> > There you have it.
>> >
>> > ryan
>> >
>> >
>> > Brad Belton wrote:
>> > > I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>> > >
>> > > 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>> > >
>> > > There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>> > >
>> > > 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>> > >
>> > > Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5
>> > cable.  So,
>> > > if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
>> > giving
>> > > you 6 cables.
>> > >
>> > > Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk
>> > with
>> > > this type of installation and have several installed this way on a
>> > variety
>> > > of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I
>> > don't
>> > > believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> > >
>> > > As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue
>> > with a
>> > > single core cable.
>> > >
>> > > I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
>> > individually
>> > > shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of
>> > course.
>> > >
>> > > Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could
>> > put
>> > > individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would
>> > have one
>> > > for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a
>> > 150'
>> > >>
>> > > run?
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David 
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> 24/4 =6
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> >  -Original Message-
>> >  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> > boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >  Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> >  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> >  To: WISPA General List
>> >  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> > 
>> >  24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break
>> > it out
>> >  for
>> >  the POE?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
>> > standard
>> > >
>> >  CAT5
>> > 
>> > > runs.
>> > >
>> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and
>> > breakout
>> > >
>> >  the
>> > 
>> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then
>> > run
>> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>> > >
>> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>> > >
>> >  talking
>> > 
>> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
>> > vertical
>> > >
>> >  panel
>> > 
>> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is
>> > simply
>> > >
>> >  punched
>> > 
>> > > down into a patch panel.
>> > >
>> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.
>> > For
>> > >
>> >  the
>> > 
>> > > correct color code look here:
>> > >
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > 

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[David]

It is not that simple it matter which pairs you use.  If you just try
matching wires or pairs at each end you will have problems. You need to
punch it down according to the standard or you will not end up with 6
working Ethernet cables.  For short runs you could probably get away with
not following the standard but don't try it for long runs.

David

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> 
> There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
> You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a
> standard RJ45)
> So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
> For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
> just kidding!)
> 
> There you have it.
> 
> ryan
> 
> 
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
> >
> > 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
> >
> > There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
> >
> > 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
> >
> > Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5
> cable.  So,
> > if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
> giving
> > you 6 cables.
> >
> > Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk
> with
> > this type of installation and have several installed this way on a
> variety
> > of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I
> don't
> > believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue
> with a
> > single core cable.
> >
> > I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
> individually
> > shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of
> course.
> >
> > Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could
> put
> > individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would
> have one
> > for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a
> 150'
> >>
> > run?
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> 24/4 =6
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> 
>  24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break
> it out
>  for
>  the POE?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
> standard
> >
>  CAT5
> 
> > runs.
> >
> > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and
> breakout
> >
>  the
> 
> > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then
> run
> > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >
> > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> >
>  talking
> 
> > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
> vertical
> >
>  panel
> 
> > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is
> simply
> >
>  punched
> 
> > down into a patch panel.
> >
> > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.
> For
> >
>  the
> 
> > correct color code look here:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> boun...@wispa.org]
> >
>  On
> 
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers
> (top
> >
>  and
> 
> > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the
> tower
> >
>  and
> 
> > run
> > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom
> from
> >
>  the
> 
> > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >
> > Is anyone doing this? What k

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Brad Belton]

Wow...no offense, but I give up.  You guys are making a mountain out of a
mole hill!

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a 
standard RJ45)
So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... 
just kidding!)

There you have it.

ryan


Brad Belton wrote:
> I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>
> 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>
> There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>
> 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>
> Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.
So,
> if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
giving
> you 6 cables.
>
> Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
> this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety
> of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
> believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with
a
> single core cable.
>
> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
individually
> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
>
> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
one
> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>
>   
>> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
>> 
> run?
>   
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> 24/4 =6
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Adam Goodman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
 for
 the POE?





 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

 
> A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>   
 CAT5
 
> runs.
>
> Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>   
 the
 
> cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>
> Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>   
 talking
 
> about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>   
 panel
 
> rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>   
 punched
 
> down into a patch panel.
>
> This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>   
 the
 
> correct color code look here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>   
 On
 
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>   
 and
 
> bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
>   
 and
 
> run
> shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
>   
 the
 
> patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>
> Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
>   
 do
 
> you
> use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>
>
>
> -
>   
 ---
 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> -

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[D. Ryan Spott]

Well shucks.. you just saved countless CPE from being fried... :)

yes, 1,2,3 and 6.

I am not so good at the typin' stuff!

ryan

Adam Goodman wrote:
> Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
>
>   
>> There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
>> You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a
>> standard RJ45)
>> So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
>> For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
>> just kidding!)
>>
>> There you have it.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> Brad Belton wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>>>
>>> 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>>>
>>> There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>>>
>>> 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>>>
>>> Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.
>>>   
>>  So,
>> 
>>> if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
>>>   
>> giving
>> 
>>> you 6 cables.
>>>
>>> Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
>>> this type of installation and have several installed this way on a
>>>   
>> variety
>> 
>>> of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
>>> believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>>>
>>> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue
>>>   
>> with a
>> 
>>> single core cable.
>>>
>>> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
>>>   
>> individually
>> 
>>> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of
>>>   
>> course.
>> 
>>> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
>>> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
>>>   
>> one
>> 
>>> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'

 
>>> run?
>>>
>>>   
 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:


 
> 24/4 =6
>
>
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
>> On
>> 
>> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>>
>> 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it
>> 
>> out
>> 
>> for
>> the POE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>>>
>>>   
>> CAT5
>>
>> 
>>> runs.
>>>
>>> Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>>>
>>>   
>> the
>>
>> 
>>> cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
>>> individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>>>
>>> Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>>>
>>>   
>> talking
>>
>> 
>>> about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>>>
>>>   
>> panel
>>
>> 
>>> rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>>>
>>>   
>> punched
>>
>> 
>>> down into a patch panel.
>>>
>>> This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>>>
>>>   
>> the
>>
>> 
>>> correct color code look here:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>
>>>   
>> On
>>
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>>>
>>>   
>> and
>>
>> 
>>> bottom). The idea is to install a 

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Brad Belton]

I guess the short answer, IMO and experience, is no.  It's not as if we've
just started doing this, but actually have years of experience with this
type of very simple installation.

Do you now understand that all six radios are NOT powered off of a single
pair?  Each radio has all eight conductors available to it no different than
running six cables for six radios.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other
radios.

= snip 
Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping
at the block to the other pairs?

Dylan
= snip 



On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>
> 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>
> There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>
> 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>
> Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.
So,
> if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
> giving
> you 6 cables.
>
> Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
> this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety
> of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
> believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with
> a
> single core cable.
>
> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
individually
> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
>
> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
> one
> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>
> > OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
> run?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
> >
> >> 24/4 =6
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> >> > To: WISPA General List
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> >
> >> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it
> out
> >> > for
> >> > the POE?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
> standard
> >> > CAT5
> >> > > runs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and
breakout
> >> > the
> >> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> >> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> >> > talking
> >> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
> vertical
> >> > panel
> >> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> >> > punched
> >> > > down into a patch panel.
> >> > >
> >> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> >> > the
> >> > > correct color code look here:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ]
> >> > On
> >> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> >> > > To: WISPA General List
> >> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers
> (top
> >> > and
> >> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the
tower
> >> > and
> >> > > run
> >> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom
from
> >> > the
> >> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use
> and
> >> > do
> >> > > you
> >> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> -
> >> > ---
> >> > > 
> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >> > > ht

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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Ryan, Did you mean 1,2,3, and 6?



On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

> There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
> You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a
> standard RJ45)
> So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
> For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!...
> just kidding!)
>
> There you have it.
>
> ryan
>
>
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
> >
> > 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
> >
> > There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
> >
> > 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
> >
> > Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.
>  So,
> > if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
> giving
> > you 6 cables.
> >
> > Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
> > this type of installation and have several installed this way on a
> variety
> > of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
> > believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue
> with a
> > single core cable.
> >
> > I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are
> individually
> > shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of
> course.
> >
> > Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> > individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
> one
> > for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
> >>
> > run?
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> 24/4 =6
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>  Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> 
>  24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it
> out
>  for
>  the POE?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> >
>  CAT5
> 
> > runs.
> >
> > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> >
>  the
> 
> > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >
> > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> >
>  talking
> 
> > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> >
>  panel
> 
> > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> >
>  punched
> 
> > down into a patch panel.
> >
> > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> >
>  the
> 
> > correct color code look here:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >
>  On
> 
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> >
>  and
> 
> > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> >
>  and
> 
> > run
> > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> >
>  the
> 
> > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >
> > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> >
>  do
> 
> > you
> > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> >
>  ---
> 
> > 
> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > http://signup.wispa.org/
> >
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> 
> > 
> >
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> >>>

Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[D. Ryan Spott]

There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable.
You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 & 5 in a 
standard RJ45)
So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom.
For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... 
just kidding!)

There you have it.

ryan


Brad Belton wrote:
> I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>
> 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>
> There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>
> 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>
> Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.  So,
> if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving
> you 6 cables.
>
> Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
> this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety
> of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
> believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a
> single core cable.
>
> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
>
> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one
> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>
>   
>> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
>> 
> run?
>   
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> 24/4 =6
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Adam Goodman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
 for
 the POE?





 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

 
> A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>   
 CAT5
 
> runs.
>
> Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>   
 the
 
> cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>
> Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>   
 talking
 
> about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>   
 panel
 
> rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>   
 punched
 
> down into a patch panel.
>
> This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>   
 the
 
> correct color code look here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>   
 On
 
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>   
 and
 
> bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
>   
 and
 
> run
> shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
>   
 the
 
> patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>
> Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
>   
 do
 
> you
> use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other
radios.

= snip 
Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping
at the block to the other pairs?

Dylan
= snip 



On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.
>
> 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair
>
> There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.
>
> 50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6
>
> Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.  So,
> if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6
> giving
> you 6 cables.
>
> Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
> this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety
> of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
> believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with
> a
> single core cable.
>
> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
>
> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
> one
> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>
> > OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
> run?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
> >
> >> 24/4 =6
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> >> > To: WISPA General List
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> >
> >> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it
> out
> >> > for
> >> > the POE?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
> standard
> >> > CAT5
> >> > > runs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> >> > the
> >> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> >> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> >> > talking
> >> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
> vertical
> >> > panel
> >> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> >> > punched
> >> > > down into a patch panel.
> >> > >
> >> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> >> > the
> >> > > correct color code look here:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ]
> >> > On
> >> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> >> > > To: WISPA General List
> >> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers
> (top
> >> > and
> >> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> >> > and
> >> > > run
> >> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> >> > the
> >> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use
> and
> >> > do
> >> > > you
> >> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Brad Belton]

Uh, ok you can do this if you want to run more than six radios off of one
25pr cable...than sure.

But why if you have the equivalent of six cables run?  We just run another
25pr and double our radio capacity from 6 to 12.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size
to power multiple radios. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Adam Goodman 

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower


OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:

> 24/4 =6
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
> > for
> > the POE?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> >
> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> > CAT5
> > > runs.
> > >
> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> > the
> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> > >
> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> > talking
> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> > panel
> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> > punched
> > > down into a patch panel.
> > >
> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> > the
> > > correct color code look here:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> > and
> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> > and
> > > run
> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> > the
> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> > >
> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> > do
> > > you
> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Brad Belton]

I think you're making this more difficult than necessary.

25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair

There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable.

50 / 8 = 6.25  or more simply 48 / 8 = 6

Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable.  So,
if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving
you 6 cables.

Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with
this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety
of structures and elevations.  If your site is grounded properly I don't
believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six.

Best,


Brad





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a
single core cable.

I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.

Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one
for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.





On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:

> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
run?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> 24/4 =6
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> >
>> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
>> > for
>> > the POE?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
>> >
>> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>> > CAT5
>> > > runs.
>> > >
>> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>> > the
>> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
>> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>> > >
>> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>> > talking
>> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>> > panel
>> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>> > punched
>> > > down into a patch panel.
>> > >
>> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>> > the
>> > > correct color code look here:
>> > >
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> > >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>> > and
>> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
>> > and
>> > > run
>> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
>> > the
>> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
>> > do
>> > > you
>> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -
>> > ---
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Right. I guess the only difference is that separate shielding over a long
parallel run.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM,  wrote:

> Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But
> not that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to
> same AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Goodman 
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:14:55
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
>
> As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with
> a
> single core cable.
>
> I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
> shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.
>
> Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
> individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have
> one
> for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>
> > OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150'
> run?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
> >
> >> 24/4 =6
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> >> > To: WISPA General List
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> >
> >> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it
> out
> >> > for
> >> > the POE?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6
> standard
> >> > CAT5
> >> > > runs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> >> > the
> >> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> >> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> >> > talking
> >> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
> vertical
> >> > panel
> >> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> >> > punched
> >> > > down into a patch panel.
> >> > >
> >> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> >> > the
> >> > > correct color code look here:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ]
> >> > On
> >> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> >> > > To: WISPA General List
> >> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers
> (top
> >> > and
> >> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> >> > and
> >> > > run
> >> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> >> > the
> >> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use
> and
> >> > do
> >> > > you
> >> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Is there anyone doing this in a frequent lightning area? We are in
Massachusetts and last summer we had a %^#^% of a time keeping up. We did a
lot of work improving grounding but I am still worried.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM,  wrote:

> Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size
> to power multiple radios.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Goodman 
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
>
> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>
> > 24/4 =6
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > >
> > > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
> > > for
> > > the POE?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> > >
> > > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> > > CAT5
> > > > runs.
> > > >
> > > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> > > the
> > > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> > > >
> > > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> > > talking
> > > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> > > panel
> > > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> > > punched
> > > > down into a patch panel.
> > > >
> > > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> > > the
> > > > correct color code look here:
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > > >
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> > > and
> > > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> > > and
> > > > run
> > > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> > > the
> > > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> > > do
> > > > you
> > > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[eje]

Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But not 
that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to same 
AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Adam Goodman 

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:14:55 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower


As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a
single core cable.

I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.

Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one
for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.





On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:

> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> 24/4 =6
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> >
>> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
>> > for
>> > the POE?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
>> >
>> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>> > CAT5
>> > > runs.
>> > >
>> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>> > the
>> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
>> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>> > >
>> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>> > talking
>> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>> > panel
>> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>> > punched
>> > > down into a patch panel.
>> > >
>> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>> > the
>> > > correct color code look here:
>> > >
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> > >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>> > and
>> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
>> > and
>> > > run
>> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
>> > the
>> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
>> > do
>> > > you
>> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[eje]

Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to 
power multiple radios. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Adam Goodman 

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower


OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:

> 24/4 =6
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
> > for
> > the POE?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> >
> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> > CAT5
> > > runs.
> > >
> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> > the
> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> > >
> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> > talking
> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> > panel
> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> > punched
> > > down into a patch panel.
> > >
> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> > the
> > > correct color code look here:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> > and
> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> > and
> > > run
> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> > the
> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> > >
> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> > do
> > > you
> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a
single core cable.

I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually
shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course.

Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put
individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one
for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad.





On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman  wrote:

> OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> 24/4 =6
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> >
>> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
>> > for
>> > the POE?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
>> >
>> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
>> > CAT5
>> > > runs.
>> > >
>> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
>> > the
>> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
>> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>> > >
>> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
>> > talking
>> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
>> > panel
>> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
>> > punched
>> > > down into a patch panel.
>> > >
>> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
>> > the
>> > > correct color code look here:
>> > >
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>> > >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
>> > and
>> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
>> > and
>> > > run
>> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
>> > the
>> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
>> > do
>> > > you
>> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run?


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David  wrote:

> 24/4 =6
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
> > for
> > the POE?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> >
> > > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> > CAT5
> > > runs.
> > >
> > > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> > the
> > > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> > >
> > > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> > talking
> > > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> > panel
> > > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> > punched
> > > down into a patch panel.
> > >
> > > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> > the
> > > correct color code look here:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> > and
> > > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> > and
> > > run
> > > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> > the
> > > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> > >
> > > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> > do
> > > you
> > > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[David]

24/4 =6


> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> 
> 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out
> for
> the POE?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> 
> > A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
> CAT5
> > runs.
> >
> > Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout
> the
> > cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> > individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
> >
> > Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
> talking
> > about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical
> panel
> > rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply
> punched
> > down into a patch panel.
> >
> > This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For
> the
> > correct color code look here:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
> and
> > bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
> and
> > run
> > shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from
> the
> > patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
> >
> > Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and
> do
> > you
> > use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower (increase strike damage?)

[Dylan Bouterse]

Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping
at the block to the other pairs?

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
CAT5 runs.  

Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the
cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.

Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
talking about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
vertical panel rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run
is simply punched down into a patch panel.

This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For the
correct color code look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code

Best,


Brad


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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

Hi guys,

I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom
from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.

Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do
you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?





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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for
the POE?





On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5
> runs.
>
> Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the
> cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
> individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.
>
> Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking
> about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel
> rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run is simply punched
> down into a patch panel.
>
> This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For the
> correct color code look here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and
> bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and
> run
> shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the
> patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.
>
> Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do
> you
> use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Gino Villarini]

Very nice 


Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard
CAT5 runs.  

Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the
cable into a patch panel or punch down block.  From there then run
individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment.

Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm
talking about.  Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45
vertical panel rather than the punch down block.  Bottom side of the run
is simply punched down into a patch panel.

This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code.  For the
correct color code look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

Hi guys,

I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top
and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower
and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom
from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.

Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do
you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?





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[WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower

[Adam Goodman]

Hi guys,

I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and
bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run
shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the
patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc.

Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you
use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair?



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Re: [WISPA] Conference

[Mike Hammett]

Damn, I missed the meeting.

What happened?


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Re: [WISPA] Conference

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.speche.com/Livetranscripts/0ba3d578-556b-438e-b304-60128fc87dc1-1033.htm#ScrollPoint


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[WISPA] Conference

[Larry A Weidig]

Guess it was Tom :)

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Re: [WISPA] Conference

[Steve Barnes]

He said he would be there.

Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Marlon K. Schafer]

They all work because antennas do NOT just stop radiating in a given 
direction.  They actually send energy all over the place, it's just stronger 
in one direction than in the others.

We often talk about antennas like a flashlight, but that's not really quite 
accurate.  It's more like a light bulb with a sheet of paper behind it. 
You'll not see as much light, depending on the type of paper, but you'll 
still see some.  Same thing goes for the sides
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


> I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to
> start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though).
>
> I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified.
>
> 1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3
> db line.
> 2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended
> coverage.
> 3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected
> coverage area.
>
> These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz
>> sectors.
>>
>> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 
>> deg
>> vert beamwidth.
>>
>> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>>
>> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>>
>> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>>
>> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>>
>> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the 
>> tilt.
>> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a
>> single degree.
>>
>> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles 
>> !"
>> coverage at optimal signal strength.
>> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether 
>> you
>> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>>
>> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor 
>> is
>> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self 
>> interference,
>> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For 
>> example,
>> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of 
>> foliage
>> in a path.
>>
>> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area 
>> within
>> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power 
>> as
>> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have 
>> found
>> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good
>> versus bad link.
>>
>> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 
>> db"
>> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant 
>> amount
>> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB 
>> counts.
>>
>> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids 
>> more
>> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was 
>> to
>> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it
>> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels
>> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our
>> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage
>> area.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Cliff Olle" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>>
>>
>>
>>> For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek 
>>> antenna,
>>> if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[jp]

The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector 
will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI 
will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction.

Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive 
too much interference in my areas. I'd be hesitant to put 900 over 150 
feet. But anything going that high up should be a high quality antenna, 
anything else is false economy in the event it needs repair or 
replacement.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:42:57AM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz 
> sectors.
> 
> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg 
> vert beamwidth.
> 
> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
> 
> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
> 
> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
> 
> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
> 
> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt.
> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a 
> single degree.
> 
> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles !" 
> coverage at optimal signal strength.
> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you 
> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
> 
> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor is 
> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, 
> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, 
> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage 
> in a path.
> 
> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within 
> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as 
> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have found 
> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good 
> versus bad link.
> 
> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 db" 
> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount 
> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts.
> 
> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more 
> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to 
> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it 
> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels 
> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our 
> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage 
> area.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cliff Olle" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
> 
> 
> > For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna,
> > if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Marlon K. Schafer]

The best way to do this is to set up a cpe unit at your FURTHEST customer 
site and one at your CLOSEST site.

Aim for the best signal at the furthest site, then check at the closest 
site.  If you need more signal at the closer site just aim down a little bit 
more and make sure that the signal is still OK at the far site.

Me, I just eyeball them.  Antennas are far from perfect.  A couple of * off 
will normally make little or no difference in real world coverage.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Cliff Olle" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


> Interesting, I never would have thought that much.  I was thinking more of
> about 3-4 degrees.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>
> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz
> sectors.
>
> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 
> deg
>
> vert beamwidth.
>
> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>
> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>
> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>
> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>
> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the 
> tilt.
> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a
> single degree.
>
> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles !"
> coverage at optimal signal strength.
> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether 
> you
> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>
> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor 
> is
>
> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference,
> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For 
> example,
>
> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of 
> foliage
>
> in a path.
>
> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area 
> within
>
> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power 
> as
> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have found
> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good
> versus bad link.
>
> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 db"
> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount
> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB 
> counts.
>
> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more
> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was 
> to
> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it
> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels
> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our
> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage
> area.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cliff Olle" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>
>
>> For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek 
>> antenna,
>> if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Michael Baird]

I'm following this thread trying to pick up a general rule of thumb to 
start out with for down tilt (I have 2.4 systems though).

I've seen three different methods of calculating it specified.

1). Downtilt enough so all your customers fall within the main lobe's -3 
db line.
2). Downtilt so that your beam is focused half-way to your recommended 
coverage.
3). Downtilt so that you reach the furthest customer in your projected 
coverage area.

These all seem mutually exclusive, unless I'm missing something.

Regards
Michael Baird
> I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz 
> sectors.
>
> Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg 
> vert beamwidth.
>
> 8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.
>
> 9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.
>
> 10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.
>
> 11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles
>
> Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt.
> But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a 
> single degree.
>
> The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of "5 miles !" 
> coverage at optimal signal strength.
> The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you 
> interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.
>
> With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor is 
> ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, 
> when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example, 
> the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage 
> in a path.
>
> The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within 
> your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as 
> needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have found 
> that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good 
> versus bad link.
>
> Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show "3 db" 
> loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount 
> of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts.
>
> The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more 
> trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to 
> go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it 
> can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels 
> and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our 
> adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage 
> area.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cliff Olle" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
>
>
>   
>> For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna,
>> if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Business Systems Connection Newest WISPAVendor Member

[Cameron Kilton]

I have been using these guys for a few years now, they have always done
well by us.
 
Cameron
Midcoast Internet
 
-Original Message-
From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:11 PM
To: announceme...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Business Systems Connection Newest
WISPAVendor Member
 
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