Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

[RickG]

You're welcome! Use at your own risk. This was originally from a
lawyer approved tower agreement and edited to provide for a simple
contract for residential repeaters. They need simple! All that fine
print overwhelms them!
-RickG

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:00 PM,
sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote:
> Thanx Rick
>
> Jim
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Attached...RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anyone have a contract they could share for this?
>>>
>>> Thanx
>>> Jim
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Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

[RickG]

All good points. I put a box complete with power and ethernet switch
on the outside of HWSC so I can control everything. I also try to stay
away from roof top mounts. I'd rather be on a grain silo, short
tower., or even a barn than track on someone's shingles.
-RickG

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:34 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> My repeater contact is simple.
>
> If un-served-behind-the-big-rock-customer (USBTBR) wants service, they
> need to talk to their neighbor about it.  If they establish some sort
> dialog, then the house-with-service-customer (HWSC) calls me to tell me
> it is OK. I find that this makes it a community/neighbor issue and
> really cuts down on "you have been on my roof for a year with 3
> customers, I want $5K a month rent now" sorts of calls).
>
> I give a $5 per month discount to the HWSC for the first USBTBRr they
> repeat to. After the second USBTBR is using the repeater, the
> house-with-service customer is no longer billed. We usually don't even
> tell them we stopped billing them. They call us after a month or 4 and
> ask us why there have been no debits. Then we tell them. :)
>
> Because there is:
> a financial incentive (free or reduced cost service and See's Chocolate
> delivered by my daughter during the holidays),
> a broadband incentive (I usually put these people on my 5.8Ghz backbone),
> and a good neighbor incentive (some USBTBR have mowed the
> house-with-service-customer's lawns, baked pies etc)
> We often get house-with-service-customers giving us access to their
> backup generators, rebooting our equipment for us etc.
>
> Some things I have learned:
> 1. NEVER tell the USBTBR that the house-with-service-customer is getting
> free or reduced cost service.
> 2. If you PoE is inside the HWSC home, install some sort of
> female-female coupler in a weather resistant box at ground level so you
> can come onto the property for reboots without entering the house or
> climbing on the roof.
> 3. Never tell the USBTBR that this reboot device exists, but let the
> HWSC know it is there and let them tell the others if they wish. This
> reduces all of the neighbors coming across the lawn to reboot what they
> think is a bad repeater. The HWSC will generally let one or 2 trusted
> neighbors know the reboot thing is there.
> 4. Keep the roof traffic down to a minimum. Asphalt shingles begin to
> wear out after a while causing concern with residential owners.
> 5. Keep the truck traffic down to daylight hours and tell the HWSC that
> you won't even knock on their door and disturb them if you are just
> coming for a reboot or quick service call. Of course, a few of my HWSC
> DO want me to tell them I am there, and I do.
> 6. Establish with your USBTBRs FIRST OFF that they are behind a repeater
> that is there due to the good graces of the HWSC. Therefore, if service
> drops in the middle of the nigh, you are not going to wake someone up to
> do a reboot, nor are you going to risk getting shot running to that
> person's house to reboot the repeater.
>
>
> ryan
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Thank you for sharing, Rick!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Attached...RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Anyone have a contract they could share for this?

 Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Can't do much till we find out what the rules are.  The maps turned out 
great though!  Thanks again for the help.  I might have to hit you up again 
so I can do a new version that allows for a smaller area since we can't zoom 
in and out on this one.

>From what I'm seeing these days I may not be interested anyway.  The bunch 
with the money seems to think that they can buy American business easier 
than they can just take it.  I'm not interested in letting someone else run 
the show.  They, so far, don't seem to have a clue about how to do anything 
productive.  Lets create jobs by killing the auto industry.  sheesh

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?


> Excellent point - I have always said less is more
>
> How's the County wifi project coming?
>
>
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:50 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
> I try to keep mine in the -65 to -75 range.  Why?  Multipath will often
> be around 30db less than your main signal.  You want to try to keep the
> main signal low enough that the average multipath is below the receiver
> threshold.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andy Trimmell" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
>
>> Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
>> to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50
> really
>> causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
>> network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
>> and clients are talking too loud between one another.
>>
>> -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and
> your
>> "neighbors" if any.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
>> Problems?
>>
>> I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now.
> Although
>> I
>> still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
>> around
>> that.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
>> that
>>> are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
>>>
>>> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
>> direction
>>> and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
>>>
>>> Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding
> the
>> links to
>>> right after adding them).
>>>
>>> If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
>> way.
>>>
>>> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>>>
>>> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
>> worked.
>>>
>>> The Setup..
>>>
>>> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we
> wanted
>> to
>>> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
>>> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
>> dishes. (
>>> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>>>
>>> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
>> in
>>> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>>>
>>> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
>> ports 22
>>> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
>> bridged
>>> radio link
>>> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
>> other
>>> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>>>
>>> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up
> the
>> lacp
>>> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
>>> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
>> time.random
>>> customers stop passing traffic.
>>>
>>> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>>>
>>> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>>>
>>> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624
> Switch
>> ->
>>> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
>> Cisco +
>>> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
>> Various
>>> AP's.
>>>
>>> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger 

Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Jerry Richardson]

Excellent point - I have always said less is more

How's the County wifi project coming?  


 
 
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airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
Problems?

I try to keep mine in the -65 to -75 range.  Why?  Multipath will often
be around 30db less than your main signal.  You want to try to keep the
main signal low enough that the average multipath is below the receiver
threshold.
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Andy Trimmell" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
Problems?


> Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
> to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50
really
> causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
> network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
> and clients are talking too loud between one another.
>
> -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and
your
> "neighbors" if any.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
> I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now.
Although
> I
> still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
> around
> that.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
> wrote:
>
>>  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
> that
>> are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
>>
>> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>>
>> Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
> direction
>> and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
>>
>> Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding
the
> links to
>> right after adding them).
>>
>> If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
> way.
>>
>> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>>
>> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
>>
>> The Setup..
>>
>> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we
wanted
> to
>> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
>> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes. (
>> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>>
>> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
> in
>> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>>
>> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
> ports 22
>> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
>> radio link
>> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
> other
>> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>>
>> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up
the
> lacp
>> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
>> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
>> customers stop passing traffic.
>>
>> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>>
>> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>>
>> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624
Switch
> ->
>> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
> Cisco +
>> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
> Various
>> AP's.
>>
>> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
>> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
>> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Ryan Ghering
>> Network Operations Manager
>> Plains.Net
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've been putting in the 9 port (yeah I know it's more than you want but 
that gives you more power and memory) MT units.  They are AMAZING.  So 
far.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Long" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router


> Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
> 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, 
> just
> need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
> options..Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations
>
> Aerowire
>
>  rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
> Auburn, AL 36830
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I try to keep mine in the -65 to -75 range.  Why?  Multipath will often be 
around 30db less than your main signal.  You want to try to keep the main 
signal low enough that the average multipath is below the receiver 
threshold.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Trimmell" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?


> Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
> to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really
> causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
> network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
> and clients are talking too loud between one another.
>
> -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your
> "neighbors" if any.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
> I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although
> I
> still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
> around
> that.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
> wrote:
>
>>  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
> that
>> are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
>>
>> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>>
>> Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
> direction
>> and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
>>
>> Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the
> links to
>> right after adding them).
>>
>> If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
> way.
>>
>> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>>
>> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
>>
>> The Setup..
>>
>> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted
> to
>> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
>> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes. (
>> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>>
>> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
> in
>> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>>
>> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
> ports 22
>> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
>> radio link
>> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
> other
>> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>>
>> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> lacp
>> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
>> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
>> customers stop passing traffic.
>>
>> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>>
>> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>>
>> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch
> ->
>> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
> Cisco +
>> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
> Various
>> AP's.
>>
>> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
>> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
>> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Ryan Ghering
>> Network Operations Manager
>> Plains.Net
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

[John Thomas]

If you are ONLY going to route, no NAT, firewall or other stuff, then a 
Cisco 871 will do what you want. We have tested it at wirespeed.

John


Alan Long wrote:
> Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
> 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, just
> need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
> options..Thanks for any help.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations 
>
> Aerowire
>  
>  rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
> Auburn, AL 36830 
>
>
>   alan.l...@aerowire.net 
>
>
> tel: 
> mobile: 
>
>  
>  mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
>  
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Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

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Thanx Rick

Jim


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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

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Might as well go with the 450G for gigabit ports, more memory, etc.


Gino Villarini wrote:
> Mikrotik rb450 $99 
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> Subject: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can
> handle 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like
> that, just need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know
> there are other options..Thanks for any help.
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[jp]

Now, you have no encryption. 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:47:13PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Before - station mode (in other terms, bridge mode with arp proxy)
> 
> After - station wds mode (a real layer 2 bridge this time =)
> 
> Ubiquiti AirOS calls them station, station wds and router.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> 
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> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
> > As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious
> > if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'?
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
> > > Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> > >
> > > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> > worked.
> > >
> > > The Setup..
> > >
> > > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> > > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> > dishes. (
> > > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> > >
> > > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> > > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> > >
> > > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports
> > 22
> > > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> > bridged
> > > radio link
> > > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> > > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> > >
> > > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> > lacp
> > > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> > time.random
> > > customers stop passing traffic.
> > >
> > > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> > >
> > > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> > >
> > > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> > > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> > > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> > > AP's.
> > >
> > > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> > > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> > connect.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Ryan Ghering
> > > Network Operations Manager
> > > Plains.Net
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Re: [WISPA] Macintosh computer trouble shoot docs.

[Josh Luthman]

Honestly just Google the steps.  Lots of schools have them.

On 6/25/09, Alan Long  wrote:
> Anyone have a doc that describes basic wireless card troubleshooting for
> users who have macs? We are staring to see more users with macs and our
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

[Gino Villarini]

Mikrotik rb450 $99 


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Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:59 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can
handle 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like
that, just need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know
there are other options..Thanks for any help.

 





  

 

 



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[WISPA] dual ethernte port router

[Alan Long]

Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, just
need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
options..Thanks for any help.

 





  

 

 



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[WISPA] Macintosh computer trouble shoot docs.

[Alan Long]

Anyone have a doc that describes basic wireless card troubleshooting for
users who have macs? We are staring to see more users with macs and our
support is not that familiar with these. Thanks for any help anyone may can
offer..

 





  

 

 



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Re: [WISPA] LNP Services

[Ron Harden]

I think that Synchronoss Technologies, Inc. provides porting services Kathy.


 

-Original Message-
From: Kathy Tate [mailto:kt...@onlinenw.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:26 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] LNP Services

We are a WISP and a CLEC and have our own SS7 gateway that we have used for
our dialup base.  We are in the process of launching our own voice service
utilizing our existing SS7 gateway.  I would like to outsource the LNP
process.  I was hoping someone might have a vendor recommendation.
 
Thank you.
 
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Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

[D. Ryan Spott]

My repeater contact is simple.

If un-served-behind-the-big-rock-customer (USBTBR) wants service, they 
need to talk to their neighbor about it.  If they establish some sort 
dialog, then the house-with-service-customer (HWSC) calls me to tell me 
it is OK. I find that this makes it a community/neighbor issue and 
really cuts down on "you have been on my roof for a year with 3 
customers, I want $5K a month rent now" sorts of calls).

I give a $5 per month discount to the HWSC for the first USBTBRr they 
repeat to. After the second USBTBR is using the repeater, the 
house-with-service customer is no longer billed. We usually don't even 
tell them we stopped billing them. They call us after a month or 4 and 
ask us why there have been no debits. Then we tell them. :)

Because there is:
a financial incentive (free or reduced cost service and See's Chocolate 
delivered by my daughter during the holidays),
a broadband incentive (I usually put these people on my 5.8Ghz backbone),
and a good neighbor incentive (some USBTBR have mowed the 
house-with-service-customer's lawns, baked pies etc)
We often get house-with-service-customers giving us access to their 
backup generators, rebooting our equipment for us etc.

Some things I have learned:
1. NEVER tell the USBTBR that the house-with-service-customer is getting 
free or reduced cost service.
2. If you PoE is inside the HWSC home, install some sort of 
female-female coupler in a weather resistant box at ground level so you 
can come onto the property for reboots without entering the house or 
climbing on the roof.
3. Never tell the USBTBR that this reboot device exists, but let the 
HWSC know it is there and let them tell the others if they wish. This 
reduces all of the neighbors coming across the lawn to reboot what they 
think is a bad repeater. The HWSC will generally let one or 2 trusted 
neighbors know the reboot thing is there.
4. Keep the roof traffic down to a minimum. Asphalt shingles begin to 
wear out after a while causing concern with residential owners.
5. Keep the truck traffic down to daylight hours and tell the HWSC that 
you won't even knock on their door and disturb them if you are just 
coming for a reboot or quick service call. Of course, a few of my HWSC 
DO want me to tell them I am there, and I do.
6. Establish with your USBTBRs FIRST OFF that they are behind a repeater 
that is there due to the good graces of the HWSC. Therefore, if service 
drops in the middle of the nigh, you are not going to wake someone up to 
do a reboot, nor are you going to risk getting shot running to that 
person's house to reboot the repeater.


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Josh Luthman wrote:
> Thank you for sharing, Rick!
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>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG  wrote:
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>> Attached...RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com
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[WISPA] LNP Services

[Kathy Tate]

We are a WISP and a CLEC and have our own SS7 gateway that we have used for
our dialup base.  We are in the process of launching our own voice service
utilizing our existing SS7 gateway.  I would like to outsource the LNP
process.  I was hoping someone might have a vendor recommendation.
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Josh Luthman]

Before - station mode (in other terms, bridge mode with arp proxy)

After - station wds mode (a real layer 2 bridge this time =)

Ubiquiti AirOS calls them station, station wds and router.

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, RickG  wrote:

> As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious
> if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'?
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
> > Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> >
> > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
> >
> > The Setup..
> >
> > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes. (
> > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> >
> > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> >
> > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports
> 22
> > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
> > radio link
> > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> >
> > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> lacp
> > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
> > customers stop passing traffic.
> >
> > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> >
> > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> >
> > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> > AP's.
> >
> > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Ryan Ghering
> > Network Operations Manager
> > Plains.Net
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[RickG]

As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious
if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'?
-RickG

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
> Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.
>
> The Setup..
>
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
>
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> AP's.
>
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.
>
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Andy Trimmell]

I also found out that if you drop it down below 3db gain the MT won't
connect anymore even if the signal strength is good enough or not.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
Problems?

Yea I got that, I've got both links now at -58 had to lower the power
down
big time.

Ryan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Andy Trimmell
wrote:

> Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
> to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50
really
> causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
> network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
> and clients are talking too loud between one another.
>
> -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and
your
> "neighbors" if any.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
> I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now.
Although
> I
> still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
> around
> that.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
> wrote:
>
> >  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
> that
> > are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
> >
> > jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
> >
> > Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
> direction
> > and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link
protocols.
> >
> > Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding
the
> links to
> > right after adding them).
> >
> > If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
> way.
> >
> > Ryan Ghering wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> >
> > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
> >
> > The Setup..
> >
> > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we
wanted
> to
> > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes. (
> > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> >
> > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
> in
> > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> >
> > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
> ports 22
> > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
> > radio link
> > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
> other
> > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> >
> > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up
the
> lacp
> > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
> > customers stop passing traffic.
> >
> > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> >
> > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> >
> > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624
Switch
> ->
> > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
> Cisco +
> > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
> Various
> > AP's.
> >
> > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice
to
> > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Ryan Ghering
> > Network Operations Manager
> > Plains.Net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Ryan Ghering]

Yea I got that, I've got both links now at -58 had to lower the power down
big time.

Ryan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Andy Trimmell
wrote:

> Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
> to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really
> causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
> network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
> and clients are talking too loud between one another.
>
> -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your
> "neighbors" if any.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
> Problems?
>
> I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although
> I
> still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
> around
> that.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
> wrote:
>
> >  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
> that
> > are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
> >
> > jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
> >
> > Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
> direction
> > and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
> >
> > Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the
> links to
> > right after adding them).
> >
> > If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
> way.
> >
> > Ryan Ghering wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> >
> > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
> >
> > The Setup..
> >
> > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted
> to
> > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes. (
> > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> >
> > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
> in
> > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> >
> > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
> ports 22
> > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
> > radio link
> > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
> other
> > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> >
> > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> lacp
> > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
> > customers stop passing traffic.
> >
> > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> >
> > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> >
> > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch
> ->
> > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
> Cisco +
> > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
> Various
> > AP's.
> >
> > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Ryan Ghering
> > Network Operations Manager
> > Plains.Net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Andy Trimmell]

Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going
to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really
causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our
network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls
and clients are talking too loud between one another.

-20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your
"neighbors" if any.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP =
Problems?

I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although
I
still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way
around
that.

Ryan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark
wrote:

>  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed
that
> are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
>
> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>
> Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one
direction
> and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
>
> Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the
links to
> right after adding them).
>
> If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same
way.
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>
>
>  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
worked.
>
> The Setup..
>
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted
to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
dishes. (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength.
in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the
other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
>
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch
->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) ->
Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
Various
> AP's.
>
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
connect.
>
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Ryan Ghering]

I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although I
still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way around
that.

Ryan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

>  Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that
> are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead?
>
> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>
> Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction
> and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.
>
> Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links 
> to
> right after adding them).
>
> If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way.
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>
>
>  Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.
>
> The Setup..
>
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
>
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> AP's.
>
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.
>
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
>
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Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

[Josh Luthman]

Thank you for sharing, Rick!

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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Bret Clark]

Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that
are running lacp.  For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? 

jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

  Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction
and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.

Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to
right after adding them).

If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way.

Ryan Ghering wrote:
  
  
Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.

note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.

The Setup..

we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )

We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.

I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
radio link
port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.

I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
customers stop passing traffic.

Nothing I do gets me past this point.

A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.

Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
AP's.

I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.

Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?

Thanks in advance
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations Manager
Plains.Net



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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Josh Luthman]

Ryan,

Let me say this differently.  I'm not saying it's bad that your bragging,
I'm saying that the signal strength could be "too high".  If you put two
antennas adjacent and get a 0 or -1 signal strength you get significant
packet gain because the hardware can't keep up with the RF.

I suck at words, sorry =(  Do you see my point now?

Good point - Are the bullets in WDS mode.  I forgot AirOS doesn't do WDS by
default.

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:

> Josh, my apologizes, I wasn't trying to be impolite, or a braggart, just
> stating facts so that all relevant info is on the table.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
> > First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in
> your
> > face, kind of impolite.  Someone mentioned in the recent past that a
> > customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how
> close
> > they were and the link was significantly better.  I wouldn't expect it's
> > part of your problem, though.
> >
> > It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is
> > supposed to make them redundant).  You often see this problem when you
> plug
> > a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device,
> > creating a loop.  In your case it starts on one side, goes through the
> > link,
> > bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats
> > indefinitely.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> > >
> > > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> > worked.
> > >
> > > The Setup..
> > >
> > > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted
> to
> > > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> > dishes.
> > > (
> > > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> > >
> > > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> > > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> > >
> > > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on
> ports
> > 22
> > > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> > bridged
> > > radio link
> > > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> > > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> > >
> > > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> > lacp
> > > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> > time.random
> > > customers stop passing traffic.
> > >
> > > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> > >
> > > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> > >
> > > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch
> ->
> > > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco
> +
> > > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM ->
> Various
> > > AP's.
> > >
> > > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> > > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> > connect.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Ryan Ghering
> > > Network Operations Manager
> > > Plains.Net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction
and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols.

Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to
right after adding them).

If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way.

Ryan Ghering wrote:
> Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> 
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.
> 
> The Setup..
> 
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> 
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> 
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> 
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
> 
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> 
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> 
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> AP's.
> 
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[jp]

I think the ubnt radios alter or do some funny magic with the mac addresses 
when bridging. For a clear bridge, try using them in wds, which will of course 
prevent adequate security.

I would also turn the power down a little, -28 will do more harm than good 
especially if you're trying to put two on a dish. I understand the bullets 
can't be turned down below 1 or 10dbm afaik.

I would use HP's trunking instead of lacp and use each link as a trunk 
port. 

2524-->radio-->radio-->2524

The switch would still play dumb though if a link went down and half your 
traffic would be botched, based on how the HP divies up the traffic by mac 
address. You'd have to have a 26xx switch which can determine link state 
across a trunk port via keepalive traffic instead of interface status.

Things to get you beyond 26mbps might include a MT link (30-35mbps), 
trangolink45 (which works at 5.4ghz as well), or alvarion b100 gear, or VL 
gear (about 32mbps)


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:39:00AM -0600, Ryan Ghering wrote:
> Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> 
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.
> 
> The Setup..
> 
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> 
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> 
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> 
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
> 
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> 
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> 
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> AP's.
> 
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Ryan Ghering]

Josh, my apologizes, I wasn't trying to be impolite, or a braggart, just
stating facts so that all relevant info is on the table.

Ryan

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in your
> face, kind of impolite.  Someone mentioned in the recent past that a
> customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how close
> they were and the link was significantly better.  I wouldn't expect it's
> part of your problem, though.
>
> It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is
> supposed to make them redundant).  You often see this problem when you plug
> a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device,
> creating a loop.  In your case it starts on one side, goes through the
> link,
> bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats
> indefinitely.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:
>
> > Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
> >
> > note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it
> worked.
> >
> > The Setup..
> >
> > we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> > increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> > we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole
> dishes.
> > (
> > and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
> >
> > We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> > 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
> >
> > I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports
> 22
> > 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242
> bridged
> > radio link
> > port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> > switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
> >
> > I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the
> lacp
> > and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> > Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of
> time.random
> > customers stop passing traffic.
> >
> > Nothing I do gets me past this point.
> >
> > A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
> >
> > Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> > Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> > Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> > AP's.
> >
> > I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> > maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> > Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they
> connect.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Ryan Ghering
> > Network Operations Manager
> > Plains.Net
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Josh Luthman]

First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in your
face, kind of impolite.  Someone mentioned in the recent past that a
customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how close
they were and the link was significantly better.  I wouldn't expect it's
part of your problem, though.

It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is
supposed to make them redundant).  You often see this problem when you plug
a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device,
creating a loop.  In your case it starts on one side, goes through the link,
bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats
indefinitely.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:

> Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.
>
> note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.
>
> The Setup..
>
> we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
> increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
> we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes.
> (
> and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )
>
> We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
> 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.
>
> I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
> 23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
> radio link
> port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
> switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.
>
> I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
> and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
> Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
> customers stop passing traffic.
>
> Nothing I do gets me past this point.
>
> A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.
>
> Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
> Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
> Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
> AP's.
>
> I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
> maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
> Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.
>
> Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations Manager
> Plains.Net
>
>
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[WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?

[Ryan Ghering]

Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before.

note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked.

The Setup..

we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to
increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So
we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. (
and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. )

We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in
54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio.

I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22
23 and 24  port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged
radio link
port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other
switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example.

I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp
and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens.
Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random
customers stop passing traffic.

Nothing I do gets me past this point.

A more in depth look at the network for this link for you.

Border-Router -> Extreme layer3 switch -> Core router -> HP2624 Switch ->
Packetshaper 4500ISP -> Extreme layer3 switch -> hp2524 (lacp) -> Cisco +
Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's -> HP2524 (lacp) -> Canopy CMM -> Various
AP's.

I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to
maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.)
Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect.

Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it?

Thanks in advance
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations Manager
Plains.Net



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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[jp]

Make sure you're not using a serial terminal to paste it in. The MT, perhaps 
from lack of flow control doesn't take well to large amounts of text being 
pasted in at high speed via serial. Paste things from ssh/telnet

As far as backing up hotspot, I make the hotspot files on the computer (easier 
for testing the visual), and archive them on the computer. They are then 
copied to the MT as needed.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:12:05AM -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> any suggestions on necessary edits for export file use?  I have an export
> file from rb450, and want to move its configuration to an rb450ah.  I paste
> the text in the new terminal, but only part of the settings get changed.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > Agreed...that is why I use export. Then I can modify the script and strip
> > out macs, etc. Just my prefered method.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > > Scott Reed wrote:
> > >> RouterOS restore from backup (not export) works to the same model
> > >> hardware.
> > >
> > > I'll admit I haven't tried it recently, but it used to be really iffy -
> > > since a "new" system would have a different radio card, and different
> > > MACs on the Ethernet interfaces, it always was a horribly error-prone
> > > process in my experience.
> > >
> > > I'll have to grab a spare off the shelf and try this again later.
> > > Thanks! :)
> > >
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