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I do the same. Install above the overhang and at the highest part of the roof. Remember, the highest part of the roof has the least amount of water running over it. So, less water, and even if it did leak it would drip into the overhang, not living area. Brian RickG wrote: The facia is even better but since the discusion was roof mounting as a last resort I meant that if you must drill into the shingles, do it directly above the soffit. -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof. Correct? On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip straight down through the soffit to the ground. The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the screw and between the mount roof. Never had one leak yet and I've been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer. -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What do you mean stay above the soffit? Sounds kind of impossible to mount below it when you're mounting on the roof. The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling. This puts the sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing anything from going through the hole. I do not do this, though I have not needed to and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on to what he really wanted, knew this from years back). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
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I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set. It's nice! Brian RickG wrote: I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is anything better. Thanks! -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009,
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Yes, thats another popular line. Then you'll hear from the Mikita crowd too! -RickG On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Brian Rohrbacherbr...@reliableinter.net wrote: I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set. It's nice! Brian RickG wrote: I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is anything better. Thanks! -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.
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If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible,
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That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8" Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it.
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I think most of us rural guys are on 2.4GHz for last mile and 5.8GHz for backhaul. Until recently, 900MHz was not cost effective. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Trees and terrain :) On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Brian Rohrbacherbr...@reliableinter.net wrote: That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Trees an terrain. We have 50-60 ft Oak trees very dense. Terrain varies from 1200 ft in town to 1100-1400 all around. Tried some 900 but had trouble getting it to work well. Mark From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com mailto:mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
What 900MHz is cost effective? Depending on distance, you can use a Ubiquiti Loco for $50. Is there anything even close to that in 900? On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote: I think most of us rural guys are on 2.4GHz for last mile and 5.8GHz for backhaul. Until recently, 900MHz was not cost effective. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I've got the same issues here. I used 900MHz on one tower in the hills forest. Used Mirotik but the cost is way too high for most. -RickG On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com wrote: Trees an terrain. We have 50-60 ft Oak trees very dense. Terrain varies from 1200 ft in town to 1100-1400 all around. Tried some 900 but had trouble getting it to work well. Mark From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com mailto:mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.
