Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access to broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled out in the report. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last cell in the lower, right-hand corner. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew more about how Brian came up with it. What % of rural households does that work out to be? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 2.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Actually, from where I'm sitting, it seems like roll-outs have slowed dramatically as people are waiting to see who gets government funding. I've heard Patrick Leary say much the same thing from the radio side. Anyone else seeing this phenomena? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Right: The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Now, how many here are updating their business models to compete with the government? -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I don't think it ignores that, it is suggesting that the private sector is in the process of closing that gap, without government investment and/or intervention. I don't believe that it is arguable that coverage is increasing...that's the net effect of the whole WISP industry. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036521045746525016083 76 552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. A better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not per person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband penetration is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband market failure thesis. In any industry subject to significant technological change, it is important that the evaluation of competition be forward-looking rather than based on static definitions of products and services, said the Antitrust Division in a January 4 filing to the FCC. In the case of broadband services, it's clear that the market is shifting generally in the direction of faster
[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus
Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still waiting our our last mile application. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_federal_grant_to_h.html Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus
Congratulations! Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still waiting our our last mile application. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_fe deral_grant_to_h.html Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access to broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled out in the report. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last cell in the lower, right-hand corner. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew more about how Brian came up with it. What % of rural households does that work out to be? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 2.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Our rollouts have slowed but only because demand has dropped off. Those that want broadband have it. OR, they are in VERY expensive to service areas. Places where the current grant programs make absolutely no sense. An example is one I just put in. There is a valley that has just 7 homes in it. I drove all over the area looking for a way to hit more people from one spot. No can do, so 7 homes are all that's possible. On top of that there is NO infrastructure at the only viable transmit site. No power, nothing but sagebrush and rocks. I didn't even see any deer tracks up there! 6 of the home owners got together and put up the $4,000 needed for a solar system, mounting structure, repeater equipment and client radios. We billed them an install fee to match and we'll maintain ownership of the repeater site (customers own cpe) so it'll be our bill to take care of it from here on out. We now have 6 subs at that location, not sure when or if the 7th will come online. If we'd have had to fund that initial outlay it would work out to just short of $9 per month per sub for 5 years. That's longer than the equipment is likely to be in place (I tend to upgrade my ap's every 2 to 3 years just to stay current). And $9 is within a couple of bucks of my net revenue per sub. It pencils out for the people at the location though, $9 per month is still LESS than the difference in cost between my service and inferior service from any of the satellite companies. Run the numbers out 10 years and they were very much money ahead. But, they would be counted as unserved until now. And, unfortunately, for good reason. In this case the consumer took it upon themselves to fix their problem. Well and truly the American way of doing things. A private team effort between them and the supplier. Win win. Those are the kinds of grants we need right now. $3000 to $30,000 levels with VERY light paperwork requirements. I guess the cool part of this whole thing is that I've got nearly 100% take rates with 100% coverage rates for the area! grin There is ONE house JUST around the corner yet, not sure how to take care of them but I'll figure it out. H, cool new product? Self enclosed 16 hour standby time solar repeater. $1000 or less with dual n connectors and swappable between 2.4 gig and 5 gig radios. Get to work guys. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Actually, from where I'm sitting, it seems like roll-outs have slowed dramatically as people are waiting to see who gets government funding. I've heard Patrick Leary say much the same thing from the radio side. Anyone else seeing this phenomena? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Right: The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Now, how many here are updating their business models to compete with the government? -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I don't think it ignores that, it is suggesting that the private sector is in the process of closing that gap, without government investment and/or intervention. I don't believe that it is arguable that coverage is increasing...that's the net effect of the whole WISP industry. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036521045746525016083 76 552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Roaming
Yes data throughput while moving works fine. The trick is to get the settings just right on the backgound search. If you have it searching too much, it cuts it down pretty good. I have seen faster speeds, but that is the average. We are in a high interference area, so the frequency hopper on alvarion was all we could get to work. stay away from waverider, it was a nightmare. we also have it setup to send gps position from the cars back to dispatch and a website all cars can access for information and chat. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:30 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I that while moving or in place? I've used Alvarion 900 for fixed locations before and wasnt too happy with the throughput. Of course, if it works 99% while roaming, it would have bragging rights. -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 100 police car deployment using alvarion 900mhz units with static public ip addresses that roam through the city. Average throughput is 1.2-1.5 mb down 350-700k up. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:03 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: A local city has contacted me to assist them with wireless for their emergency vehicles - yes, roaming. The city proper is about 1-2 miles wide and 7 mile long. They have 3 water tanks (125') and a tower at city hall (80'). Hills not bad but lots of trees. They are currently spending $100k/year for Sprint cards. Any suggestions for equipment should I look at? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jeremie Chism TritonDataLink WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
The cable co and telco and I generally deploy where people say yeah, we'll pay for it. There IS a relationship - a weak one - between not available and don't want it or won't pay for it. That was my take in the first place.And then there's the I haven't gotten there yet number. It seems that number shrinks steadily... -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ I won't comment on the first parts. ;-) The rest is completely true, other than Brian is talking about 24 million households can't get it in the first place vs. 24 million households that don't want it that you (and others on the list) took it to mean. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Is that directly off the pages of the Democrat National Committee Blast Fax talking points of the day? Shame on you, Jack. There's easily 24 million households THAT DO NOT WANT OR WILL NOT PAY FOR broadband. I have some areas where I cover 100% of the households, nobody else does, and yet, I can only get 60 percent of them to subscribe. The rest? Too expensive (even 25.50/mo is 'too much') or we don't even have a computer is still something I hear semi regularly. I don't think my demographics are specifically average... but they're not THAT far off the norm. In the last 2 years I've lost 5 customers to cable and dsl. 1 to another provider (was glad to see them go), but that's less than the number who have moved or died. I think we've seen nearly the limits of cable and dsl expansion where I am. And they've covered a good 75% of the population, even as rural as we are.The WSJ article is dead on right, from what I can tell. My growth is now the niche areas that aren't high on the cable or dsl deployment priority, yet I'm seeing the want for broadband to be under 80%, even in affluent areas. Since our install costs are now as low as free, depending on location, we're seeing signficant not heavy user adoption. Now, the growth of actual data moved... The percentage increase every month is near or at double digits. -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104574652501608376552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
That would seem to be rational and logical as an observation, prediction, and explanation. -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Actually, from where I'm sitting, it seems like roll-outs have slowed dramatically as people are waiting to see who gets government funding. I've heard Patrick Leary say much the same thing from the radio side. Anyone else seeing this phenomena? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Right: The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Now, how many here are updating their business models to compete with the government? -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I don't think it ignores that, it is suggesting that the private sector is in the process of closing that gap, without government investment and/or intervention. I don't believe that it is arguable that coverage is increasing...that's the net effect of the whole WISP industry. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036521045746525016083 76 552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. A better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not per person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband penetration is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband market failure thesis. In any industry subject to significant technological change, it is important that
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
interestingly enough, mine has picked up of late. I think it's the reduced install cost that's driven that. I also had a small time competitor just walk way from his network and I'm scrambling big time trying to fill the gap... but I haven't the money to put up the infrastructure... We're talking about backhauls and access points for 3 and 5 and 15 and 2 and so customers. That means finding new sites, new equipment, and it's ALL up in the mountains, where it's normally snowed in this time of year, but clear at the moment, so time is our biggest enemy. Not to mention irate folks who just got dependent... If I'd known all this... I'd not just have invested most of our saved up cash in that fancy new backhaul to our main site so we can now get near ethernet speed feed to our largest network segment.Then again, I need the bandwidth to add those folks... -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Our rollouts have slowed but only because demand has dropped off. Those that want broadband have it. OR, they are in VERY expensive to service areas. Places where the current grant programs make absolutely no sense. An example is one I just put in. There is a valley that has just 7 homes in it. I drove all over the area looking for a way to hit more people from one spot. No can do, so 7 homes are all that's possible. On top of that there is NO infrastructure at the only viable transmit site. No power, nothing but sagebrush and rocks. I didn't even see any deer tracks up there! 6 of the home owners got together and put up the $4,000 needed for a solar system, mounting structure, repeater equipment and client radios. We billed them an install fee to match and we'll maintain ownership of the repeater site (customers own cpe) so it'll be our bill to take care of it from here on out. We now have 6 subs at that location, not sure when or if the 7th will come online. If we'd have had to fund that initial outlay it would work out to just short of $9 per month per sub for 5 years. That's longer than the equipment is likely to be in place (I tend to upgrade my ap's every 2 to 3 years just to stay current). And $9 is within a couple of bucks of my net revenue per sub. It pencils out for the people at the location though, $9 per month is still LESS than the difference in cost between my service and inferior service from any of the satellite companies. Run the numbers out 10 years and they were very much money ahead. But, they would be counted as unserved until now. And, unfortunately, for good reason. In this case the consumer took it upon themselves to fix their problem. Well and truly the American way of doing things. A private team effort between them and the supplier. Win win. Those are the kinds of grants we need right now. $3000 to $30,000 levels with VERY light paperwork requirements. I guess the cool part of this whole thing is that I've got nearly 100% take rates with 100% coverage rates for the area! grin There is ONE house JUST around the corner yet, not sure how to take care of them but I'll figure it out. H, cool new product? Self enclosed 16 hour standby time solar repeater. $1000 or less with dual n connectors and swappable between 2.4 gig and 5 gig radios. Get to work guys. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Actually, from where I'm sitting, it seems like roll-outs have slowed dramatically as people are waiting to see who gets government funding. I've heard Patrick Leary say much the same thing from the radio side. Anyone else seeing this phenomena? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Right: The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Now, how many here are updating their business models to compete with the government? -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I don't think it ignores that, it is suggesting that the private sector is in the process of closing that gap, without government investment and/or intervention. I don't believe that it is arguable that coverage is
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a different provider to include them in their application, but that provider chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else building out to them either. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access to broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled out in the report. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last cell in the lower, right-hand corner. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
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But anywhere else I don't think your LMR-Antenna would work as well... Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have anything in there? No one else has anything there either? That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a different provider to include them in their application, but that provider chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else building out to them either. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access to broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled out in the report. Thank You, Brian Webster
[WISPA] EBS Licensing
I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Until you have to deal with the trees and mountains he has too :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have anything in there? No one else has anything there either? That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a different provider to include them in their application, but that provider chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else building out to them either. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
Isn't the Internet educational? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
I wonder if supplying them with an internet connection fulfills that obligation. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Isn't the Internet educational? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com wrote: The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
I've leaned alot. I mean, I never know there was such a thing as quadruple D's :-) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini [...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing Isn't the Internet educational? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
It certainly is. This week I learned to get my pants off the ground. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing Isn't the Internet educational? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
Or the cash equivlent? I can't wait to see what happens in...oh...6 years or so when these school boards renegotiate the 10 year subleases of this spectrum. Could be an interesting and lucrative time for those districts that are getting peanuts for rent of thier spectrum. ryan On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Grin. Mountains or valleys, 2' of dirt is just as bad as 20,000' of dirt in this game! Tough nut to crack, that's for sure. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Until you have to deal with the trees and mountains he has too :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have anything in there? No one else has anything there either? That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a different provider to include them in their application, but that provider chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else building out to them either. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for
Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
Heh, I used to be a technology coordinator for a k-12 school district. When I got there they had never used the Internet or email, or anything. After we got a fractional T1 in place (128kbps! WOOT!) I did some inservice training for some teachers. One of them started griping about how the internet was just the CB of the 90s, a place to find porn, where pornographers hung out etc... It took me about 10 minutes to calm down and inform this person and the other staff that it was very hard to use yahoo and unsuspectingly find porn.. and all of the screens faced the center of the room etc, etc, etc.. not a problem. So we all open yahoo and I ask the staffers to find curriculum specific information to help them with their lesson plans. The rabble rouser searched for a very curriculum appropriate black holes... Yeah... *sigh* I almost quit. ryan On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: I've leaned alot. I mean, I never know there was such a thing as quadruple D's :-) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini [...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing Isn't the Internet educational? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: The EBS band consists of 4 6mhz chunks. 5% is around 1mhz. That's easily achievable I guess. I'm more concerned about rule #1. I can't see Clear providing Educational Services to these schools. I smell a loophole somewhere. -Eric On 1/21/2010 4:17 PM, Brian Webster wrote: For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system, provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving them guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling their subleasing requirements in the EBS band. The rules state the following: 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of educational use of EBS spectrum. 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to recapture an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity for educational purposes. 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5% of its transmission capacity for educational purposes. Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules? -Eric --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus
Congrats Out of curiosity -- was your last mile BIP or BTOP? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still waiting our our last mile application. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_federal_grant_to_h.html Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Yes, I enjoyed it a few years back. Still waiting on the new one! Jack? -RickG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Jack wrote and published a book... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. MDK wrote: Is that directly off the pages of the Democrat National Committee Blast Fax talking points of the day? Shame on you, Jack. There's easily 24 million households THAT DO NOT WANT OR WILL NOT PAY FOR broadband. I have some areas where I cover 100% of the households, nobody else does, and yet, I can only get 60 percent of them to subscribe. The rest? Too expensive (even 25.50/mo is 'too much') or we don't even have a computer is still something I hear semi regularly. I don't think my demographics are specifically average... but they're not THAT far off the norm. In the last 2 years I've lost 5 customers to cable and dsl. 1 to another provider (was glad to see them go), but that's less than the number who have moved or died. I think we've seen nearly the limits of cable and dsl expansion where I am. And they've covered a good 75% of the population, even as rural as we are.The WSJ article is dead on right, from what I can tell. My growth is now the niche areas that aren't high on the cable or dsl deployment priority, yet I'm seeing the want for broadband to be under 80%, even in affluent areas. Since our install costs are now as low as free, depending on location, we're seeing signficant not heavy user adoption. Now, the growth of actual data moved... The percentage increase every month is near or at double digits. -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104574652501608376552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. A better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not per person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband penetration is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
I've picked up since before Christmas. From what I can tell most are taking college classes from home. -RickG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: Actually, from where I'm sitting, it seems like roll-outs have slowed dramatically as people are waiting to see who gets government funding. I've heard Patrick Leary say much the same thing from the radio side. Anyone else seeing this phenomena? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Right: The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Now, how many here are updating their business models to compete with the government? -RickG On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I don't think it ignores that, it is suggesting that the private sector is in the process of closing that gap, without government investment and/or intervention. I don't believe that it is arguable that coverage is increasing...that's the net effect of the whole WISP industry. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036521045746525016083 76 552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a national broadband plan and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. A better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not per person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband penetration is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy Institute notes that at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is behind the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries will reach a saturation point within the next few years. Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband market failure thesis. In any industry subject to significant technological change, it is important that the evaluation of competition
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There are a lot of counties in eastern Kentucky that have way too many mountains trees for me. They've begged for us to come out there but I'm not up to that task! -RickG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of households without access to broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled out in the report. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last cell in the lower, right-hand corner. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew more about how Brian came up with it. What % of rural households does that work out to be? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote:
[WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Hi all, Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks would recommend. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I think my new "book" will actually be online training videos. RickG wrote: Yes, I enjoyed it a few years back. Still waiting on the new one! Jack? -RickG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Jack wrote and published a book... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. I refuse to feed the troll. MDK wrote: Is that directly off the pages of the Democrat National Committee "Blast Fax" talking points of the day? Shame on you, Jack. There's easily 24 million households THAT DO NOT WANT OR WILL NOT PAY FOR broadband. I have some areas where I cover 100% of the households, nobody else does, and yet, I can only get 60 percent of them to subscribe. The rest? Too expensive (even 25.50/mo is 'too much') or "we don't even have a computer" is still something I hear semi regularly. I don't think my demographics are specifically average... but they're not THAT far off the norm. In the last 2 years I've lost 5 customers to cable and dsl. 1 to another provider (was glad to see them go), but that's less than the number who have moved or died. I think we've seen nearly the limits of cable and dsl expansion where I am. And they've covered a good 75% of the population, even as rural as we are.The WSJ article is dead on right, from what I can tell. My growth is now the niche areas that aren't high on the cable or dsl deployment priority, yet I'm seeing the "want" for broadband to be under 80%, even in affluent areas. Since our install costs are now as low as "free", depending on location, we're seeing signficant "not heavy user" adoption. Now, the growth of actual data moved... The percentage increase every month is near or at double digits. -- From: "Jack Unger" jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104574652501608376552.ht ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop * REVIEW OUTLOOK * JANUARY 20, 2010 A 'National Broadband Plan' One more solution in search of a problem. The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it will miss a February deadline for delivering a "national broadband plan" and requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a plan to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's a worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is that broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of Internet connections. Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 million from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is 94%, and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. A typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. Wireless bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a 500-fold increase since 2000. Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in 2008 alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. Nominal capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 trillion. Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this private progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD estimates, the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. But because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. has relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. A better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not per person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because
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The counties out here are apparently a lot bigger than your counties. One of the counties we have service in (but not one of the counties I was looking at for this grant) is 18% bigger than the State of Rhode Island. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have anything in there? No one else has anything there either? That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a different provider to include them in their application, but that provider chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else building out to them either. Chuck On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen not to subscribe. (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with publicly available data. Chuck On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Heya Brian, That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services was based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give an indication of the number of actually services households. If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's likely to be quite inaccurate. People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of customers that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies offering services in the area. I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based information are out there. It's important to know what the real number is and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the long term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the upcoming census. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Marlon, Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail of how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written for the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up with the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware of. The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of residential subscribers by state. The number of
