Grin. Mountains or valleys, 2' of dirt is just as bad as 20,000' of dirt in this game!
Tough nut to crack, that's for sure. marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > Until you have to deal with the trees and mountains he has too :-) > > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:54 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > > > You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have > anything > in there? No one else has anything there either? > > That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! > > Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > > >> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were >> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties >> I >> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. >> (And >> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a >> different provider to include them in their application, but that >> provider >> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for >> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. >> >> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census >> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block >> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the >> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very >> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it >> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else >> building out to them either. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> I think so. >>> >>> 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into >>> account >>> the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps >>> others?). >>> >>> It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many >>> homes untouched. >>> >>> At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's >>> $288,000,000 >>> in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I >>> can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with >>> no >>> options. >>> >>> I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that >>> many >>> with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup >>> internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do >>> they >>> count as one of the 24 million? >>> >>> laters, >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >>> >>> >>>> So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm >>>> wrong): >>>> >>>> (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. >>>> His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen >>>> not >>>> to subscribe. >>>> >>>> (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is >>>> private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the >>>> analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with >>>> publicly available data. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heya Brian, >>>>> >>>>> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services >>>>> was >>>>> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would >>>>> give >>>>> an >>>>> indication of the number of actually services households. >>>>> >>>>> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's >>>>> likely >>>>> to be quite inaccurate. >>>>> >>>>> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of >>>>> customers >>>>> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies >>>>> offering services in the area. >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based >>>>> information are out there. It's important to know what the real >>>>> number >>>>> is >>>>> and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in >>>>> the >>>>> long >>>>> term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the >>>>> upcoming >>>>> census. >>>>> >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>> Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I >>>>>> work >>>>>> with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific >>>>>> detail >>>>>> of >>>>>> how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was >>>>>> written >>>>>> for >>>>>> the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up >>>>>> with >>>>>> the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the >>>>>> first >>>>>> place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am >>>>>> aware >>>>>> of. >>>>>> The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of >>>>>> residential subscribers by state. The number of households without >>>>>> access >>>>>> to >>>>>> broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled >>>>>> out >>>>>> in >>>>>> the report. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on >>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jack Unger >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>> >>>>>> See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last >>>>>> cell >>>>>> in the lower, right-hand corner. >>>>>> >>>>>> jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>> I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew more >>>>>> about >>>>>> how Brian came up with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> What % of rural households does that work out to be? >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or >>>>>> (more >>>>>> likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American >>>>>> households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a >>>>>> mouthpiece >>>>>> (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. >>>>>> >>>>>> jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff Broadwick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 >>>>>> 2.ht >>>>>> ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * REVIEW & OUTLOOK >>>>>> * JANUARY 20, 2010 >>>>>> >>>>>> A 'National Broadband Plan' >>>>>> One more solution in search of a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it >>>>>> will >>>>>> miss a February deadline for delivering a "national broadband plan" >>>>>> and >>>>>> requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, >>>>>> nearly >>>>>> everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a >>>>>> plan >>>>>> to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> a >>>>>> worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false >>>>>> presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is >>>>>> that >>>>>> broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of >>>>>> Internet connections. >>>>>> >>>>>> Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 >>>>>> million >>>>>> from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy >>>>>> Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home >>>>>> is >>>>>> 94%, >>>>>> and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with >>>>>> broadband. >>>>>> A >>>>>> typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. >>>>>> Wireless >>>>>> bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a >>>>>> 500-fold >>>>>> increase since 2000. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment >>>>>> in >>>>>> 2008 >>>>>> alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. >>>>>> Nominal >>>>>> capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than >>>>>> $3.5 >>>>>> trillion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this >>>>>> private >>>>>> progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD >>>>>> estimates, >>>>>> the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. >>>>>> But >>>>>> because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. >>>>>> has >>>>>> relatively large households, the per capita figures can be >>>>>> misleading. >>>>>> A >>>>>> better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not >>>>>> per >>>>>> person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and >>>>>> 10th. >>>>>> >>>>>> Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband >>>>>> penetration >>>>>> is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy >>>>>> Institute >>>>>> notes that "at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is >>>>>> behind >>>>>> the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD >>>>>> countries >>>>>> will >>>>>> reach a saturation point within the next few years." >>>>>> >>>>>> Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband >>>>>> market >>>>>> failure thesis. "In any industry subject to significant technological >>>>>> change, it is important that the evaluation of competition be >>>>>> forward-looking rather than based on static definitions of products >>>>>> and >>>>>> services," said the Antitrust Division in a January 4 filing to the >>>>>> FCC. >>>>>> "In >>>>>> the case of broadband services, it's clear that the market is >>>>>> shifting >>>>>> generally in the direction of faster speeds and additional mobility." >>>>>> >>>>>> Justice concludes that while "enacting some form of regulation to >>>>>> prevent >>>>>> certain providers from exercising monopoly control may be tempting . >>>>>> . >>>>>> . >>>>>> care must be taken to avoid stifling the infrastructure investments >>>>>> needed >>>>>> to expand broadband access." >>>>>> >>>>>> No matter, the default position of the Obama Administration is that >>>>>> little >>>>>> useful happens without government, so the FCC is busy planning. >>>>>> Chairman >>>>>> Julius Genachowski is sympathetic to net neutrality regulations that >>>>>> would >>>>>> prevent Internet service providers from using differentiated pricing >>>>>> to >>>>>> manage Web traffic. Liberal interest groups like Public Knowledge and >>>>>> Harvard's Berkman Center for the Internet and Society are urging the >>>>>> agency >>>>>> to reinstitute "open access" mandates that would force cable >>>>>> operators >>>>>> and >>>>>> phone companies to share their infrastructure with rivals at >>>>>> government-set >>>>>> prices. >>>>>> >>>>>> The irony is that the private investment and innovation of recent >>>>>> years >>>>>> have >>>>>> occurred in the wake of the FCC rolling back similar rules that held >>>>>> back >>>>>> telecom in the 1990s. Consumers continue to have access to more and >>>>>> more >>>>>> broadband services, while Google, YouTube, iTunes, Facebook and >>>>>> Netflix >>>>>> originated in the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't the Obama Administration have enough to do than mess with a >>>>>> part >>>>>> of >>>>>> the U.S. economy that is working well? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff Broadwick >>>>>> Sales Manager, ImageStream >>>>>> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >>>>>> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >>>>>> +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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