[WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Gino Villarini
We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Sean Heskett
Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you.

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on
(old building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



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   We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is
 dropping below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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 www.aeronetpr.com
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You can do a battery backup unit, like suggested by Sean H. 

However to answer your question, APC makes a whole line of Voltage Regulators, 
which are the product to fix this type of issue. 

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313_nkw=apc+voltage+regulators_sacat=0
 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:30:09 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

 We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping
 below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr

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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Gino Villarini
We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold (90 
vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards



Gino A. Villarini
President
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www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you.

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



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g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



Gino A. Villarini
President
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www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Steve Barnes
Faisal do you use these.  I have tried them in the past and when they are 
working to handle enough clean power for a whole tower they seem to get really 
hot.

I also do not recommend running them off a poor generator to get cleaner power. 
 The one I had melted after 2 hours.

Steven Barnes
GM
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

You can do a battery backup unit, like suggested by Sean H.

However to answer your question,  APC makes a whole line of Voltage Regulators, 
which are the product to fix this type of issue.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313_nkw=apc+voltage+regulators_sacat=0


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:30:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



Gino A. Villarini
President
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www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Tim Kerns
We found when using  Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The 
UPS would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a 
period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About 
the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to 
recharge.  The problem at the site was a phase was dropping.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



  Gino A. Villarini
  President
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  www.aeronetpr.com   
  @aeronetpr





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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Tim Kerns
Gino, that sounds like the issue we had... have your electric company check to 
see if you are dropping a phase at the transformer servicing you.   

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:06 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold (90 
vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr



From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??


Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com   
  @aeronetpr





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[WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread OOLLC-Support
Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Then look for AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulators)... and pick one based on the 
specs.. 

e.g. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/POWERBRIGHT-SVC3000-VOLTAGE-REGULATOR-3000-WATT-AUTOMATIC-SERVO-MOTOR-AC-NEW-/321211901033?pt=US_Power_Inverters_hash=item4ac9b8a46
 9 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:06:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

 We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold
 (90 vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards

 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr

 From: Sean Heskett  af...@zirkel.us 
 Reply-To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
 Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

 Apc battery backup. They will trim and boost for you.

 We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on
 (old building and wiring :-/ ) the apc boost the load to 120.

 On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping
  below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?
 

  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President
 
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  www.aeronetpr.com
 
  @aeronetpr
 

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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I have used the LR-1200 to have clean power in-doors on the bench (When we used 
to do computer work). 

And yes they get very hot... if you are going to deploy them in locations where 
there is not good ventilation, I suggest you size them with a factor of 2 or 
3... i.e. if you need 600va load then put in a bigger unit that can handle 
1200va or more 

and of-course, you may very much need forced air ventilation. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

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 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:07:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

 Faisal do you use these. I have tried them in the past and when they are
 working to handle enough clean power for a whole tower they seem to get
 really hot.

 I also do not recommend running them off a poor generator to get cleaner
 power. The one I had melted after 2 hours.

 Steven Barnes

 GM

 PCSWIN.com

 Howard LLC.

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

 You can do a battery backup unit, like suggested by Sean H.

 However to answer your question, APC makes a whole line of Voltage
 Regulators, which are the product to fix this type of issue.

 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313_nkw=apc+voltage+regulators_sacat=0

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com 
 
  To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
 
  Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:30:09 AM
 
  Subject: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??
 

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping
  below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?
 

  Gino A. Villarini
 

  President
 

  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 

  www.aeronetpr.com
 

  @aeronetpr
 

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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Plug in a Sitemonitor and use a battery backup.  With Powercode you can use
PagerDuty to do a phone call.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 10:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

 Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
 kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
 to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
 way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Doing this is more of an method than a product.

If you have dual power supply server, then you can plug one psu on battery 
backup, and the other on ac main... monitor the status of PSU via snmp... is 
one example

If you are using Mikrotik routers, you can use the dual power feature on 
them i.e. power via dc port as well as poe in... MT will use the higher 
voltage as primary... have one from Battery and other from ac power... monitor 
via snmp or your own script. (such solutions have been documented before).

If you have an old router that you can plug in to ac power, setup an ip on it, 
and use your ping monitor to see if it is up... Called the canary method.

You can also do something more creative such as described by Greg Sowell.
http://gregsowell.com/?p=2093


Hopefully these give you some ideas.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

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 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:20:15 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] When the power goes off
 
 Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
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 to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Would going to a DC site with a fixed output voltage fix this? 




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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:30:09 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? 




We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 




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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

2014-11-10 Thread Brett Woollum
You can also use an Online UPS instead of the more traditional type. Online 
means the UPS is running the load off of the battery at all times. The AC 
charger is supplying enough power to power your load as well as keep the 
battery charged. They're designed to provide a stable output when the input is 
not clean at all. 

I have some Dell Online 2700W Rack UPS units and they work well. 


Brett Woollum 
Senior Sales Engineer 
br...@tekify.com 

Tekify Broadband Internet Services 
Web: http://www.tekify.com 
Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 

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From: Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com 
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:12:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? 




We found when using Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The UPS 
would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a 
period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About 
the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to 
recharge. The problem at the site was a phase was dropping. 




From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? 

Apc battery backup. They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ ) the apc boost the load to 120. 



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote: 






We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? 




Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 





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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Simon Westlake
PagerDuty.com and Pingdom. Use Pingdom to ping the server, have it 
create an incident in PagerDuty when that happens. PagerDuty will call 
your phone.


Will cost you $18 a month.

On 11/10/2014 09:20 AM, OOLLC-Support wrote:

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Tim Way
Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
or text message from.
On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
He wants a phone call...


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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
 trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
 or text message from.
 On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

 Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
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 to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Nobody wants a phone call. ;-) 




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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:37:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off 


He wants a phone call... 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way  t...@way.vg  wrote: 



Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP trap 
that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL or text 
message from. 


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blockquote
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kicked? I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone 
to let me know when the server has lost power. Does anyone have a cheap 
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Tim Kerns
or plug a cheap cpe in the ac outlet... run  a ping monitor to it... when power 
is off pings stop..



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Plug in a Sitemonitor and use a battery backup.  With Powercode you can use 
PagerDuty to do a phone call.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 10, 2014 10:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

  Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
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[WISPA] Sanity check on APC run time

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
I have 7 Ubnt devices, roughly 35 watts and one dumb 8 port switch.  Figure
the load is maybe 50 watts after everything is said and done.

APC has 8x 12v*8ah batteries (or 768whr)

Shouldn't the run time be closer to 15 hours?  I am getting 30-40 minutes.
I can't imagine the unit is that power inefficient!

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Re: [WISPA] Sanity check on APC run time

2014-11-10 Thread Adair Winter
Have you checked the actual power draw on the ac with something like a kill
a watt?
On Nov 10, 2014 11:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 I have 7 Ubnt devices, roughly 35 watts and one dumb 8 port switch.
 Figure the load is maybe 50 watts after everything is said and done.

 APC has 8x 12v*8ah batteries (or 768whr)

 Shouldn't the run time be closer to 15 hours?  I am getting 30-40
 minutes.  I can't imagine the unit is that power inefficient!

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Sanity check on APC run time

2014-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
The APC is pulling 1.87a @ 122v.  There's no way 228 watts of Ubnt is on
that tower, I figured the rest was keeping the batteries up.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net
wrote:

 Have you checked the actual power draw on the ac with something like a
 kill a watt?
 On Nov 10, 2014 11:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I have 7 Ubnt devices, roughly 35 watts and one dumb 8 port switch.
 Figure the load is maybe 50 watts after everything is said and done.

 APC has 8x 12v*8ah batteries (or 768whr)

 Shouldn't the run time be closer to 15 hours?  I am getting 30-40
 minutes.  I can't imagine the unit is that power inefficient!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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[WISPA] 3.65 GHz power rules; do you really understand them?

2014-11-10 Thread Patrick Leary
When the FCC issued the Report and Order (3.65 
ROhttps://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf) for the 
3650-3700 MHz band in March of 2005, it set power limits in a manner not widely 
understood by many in the WISP community, as it based the limits for fixed 
operations on a formula relating to power density. Some quickly read 1 watt 
and assumed the limit was 36 dB EIRP, just as it is in the 5 GHz UNII rules now 
(that limit used to be only for the upper 5 GHz UNII, but was harmonized at the 
higher only recently). Even in the legacy ISM bands of 902-928 MHz, 2.4-2.5835 
GHz and 5.725-5.850 GHz we are all familiar with that 1 watt 36 dB PMP EIRP 
limit (with the CPE side up or PTP links also allowing the 3:1 rule.

Well, in 3.65 MHz that's actually not the rule. In this case, the rule applies 
a power density qualifier whereby that 1 watt limit is PER megahertz of 
frequency. Here's the language from the RO (page 19, paragraph 50):

Consequently, [for fixed operations] we believe that EIRP limits should be 
specified not simply as a maximum power, but rather in terms of power density 
(i.e., power per unit of occupied bandwidth) For example, a system using a 
bandwidth of 25 megahertz may use the full 25 Watts peak EIRP, but a system 
using only 1 megahertz bandwidth may only use 1 watt peak EIRP; in either case, 
the power density is equivalent Therefore, we adopt a fixed station peak 
power density of 25 Watts EIRP in any 25 megahertz band.

To make things even more clear, and to provide flexibility, the rule adds:

Furthermore, to promote additional flexibility in system design, any 
combination of transmitter output power and antenna gain will be permitted, so 
long as the peak 25 Watt/25 megahertz EIRP limit is not exceeded.

To drive home the point so as to be crystal clear, the FCC adds a few footnotes:

 100 We note that, at frequency ranges above one-gigahertz, a power density 
measurement bandwidth of one megahertz would typically be specified. Consistent 
with that practice, and the intent of the rules adopted here, the maximum peak 
power density in any one-megahertz slice of spectrum in this band shall not 
exceed 1 Watt.
101 For example, the Wi-Max standard specifies various bandwidths.
102 For free space propagation, distance is proportional to the square of the 
distance or in terms of decibels distance doubles for each additional 6 dB of 
power...

So how does this translate into your world? Well, this means if you are using 
10 MHz channels, as those using WiMAX are limited to using, you have a peak 
EIRP of 40 dB on a 10 MHz channel. For those using 20 MHz, as most are doing 
with Wi-Fi derivative gear or the largest channel size option of LTE, the EIRP 
limit is 43 dB.

Let's noodle this out further looking at dBm per port:

If your radio has a max power of 22 dBm per port, that's 25 dBm when used in a 
2x2 MIMO configuration. If you are using a Wi-Fi derived system at 20 MHz, any 
antenna under 18 dBi means you'd be running BELOW your power maximum. For 
example, 120 degree antennas are commonly used (many WISPs think three 120 
degree sectors is the best way to get 360 degree coverage, which is not always 
the case, e.g. we use three 65 degree antennas). 13 dBi is a common gain for a 
120 degree sector. Used with a 2x2 MIMO with peak power of 25 dBm gets you 38 
dB EIRP -- that's 5 dB LESS than your maximum allowed power, or more thoroughly 
understood, more than 1/2 your total allowed power!

Conversely, if your system produces 30 dBm max per port, that's 33 dBm in 2x2 
MIMO Mode and 36 dBm in 4x4 MIMO mode if that capability exists. The total 
limit is still 40 dB EIRP in a 10 MHz channel and 43 dB EIRP in a 20 MHz 
channel, but antenna flexibility is increased without compromising max EIRP. To 
be sure, in such a case the operator must configure the base station to reduce 
to power output of the radio to avoid violating the FCC (or IC in Canada) 
limits.

So when it comes to fixed wireless broadband in 3.65 MHz, stop thinking about 
1 watt or 36 dB EIRP, as that is only true if you were using 1 MHz 
channels. Instead, focus on 1 watt PER 1 MHz.

Finally, if we really want to have fun, we can talk about this additional 
verbiage in the FCC RO, but I'll leave that for another day:

 54. In that light, we conclude that transmitters installed at fixed locations 
should not be prohibited from using any particular type of antenna design. As a 
general requirement, the EIRP in any antenna beam must be limited to 25 Watts 
per 25 megahertz. However, transmitters using sectorized, scanning spot-beam, 
or other antenna types with multiple beam capability shall be required to limit 
their EIRP in any direction to no more than the limit we are adopting for fixed 
systems (i.e., 25 Watts per 25 megahertz). Thus, the aggregate power 
transmitted simultaneously on overlapping beams will have to be reduced such 
that the EIRP in the area of overlap does not exceed the 

Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Drop in Mikrotik MAP, put it on a IP, and place it on the same circuit
with a IP without UPS.  When it goes off-line, your monitoring system
tells you MAP without UPS is off-line, you know you don't have utility
power, what we do if you don't hae sitemonitors etc..  Simple, cheap.. 


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
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Subject: [WISPA] When the power goes off

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
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to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Screw a phone c all, but text is simple! 

 

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www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

 

He wants a phone call...




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP trap 
that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL or text 
message from.

On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:

 Screw a phone c all, but text is simple!



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
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 He wants a phone call...




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
 trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
 or text message from.

 On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

 Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
 kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
 to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Yep..  In dude you can set it up to resend alerts every 5 min or
whatever till its up, but one way or the other they will sleep though it
.lol. 

 

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www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

 

Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.

 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess
dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

Screw a phone c all, but text is simple! 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

 

He wants a phone call...




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an
SNMP trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate
an EMAIL or text message from.

On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net
wrote:

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Simon Westlake
That's why we use PagerDuty. Supports escalations as well, if the guy 
really does sleep through a constantly ringing phone for 30 minutes.


On 11/10/2014 01:43 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult 
to sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.


On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess 
dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:


Screw a phone c all, but text is simple!

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270
tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

He wants a phone call...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg
mailto:t...@way.vg wrote:

Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send
an SNMP trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can
generate an EMAIL or text message from.

On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net
mailto:supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the
phone
to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a
cheap
way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 34, Issue 35

2014-11-10 Thread Jack Lehmann
Good 'ol Sensaphone.

Such as...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sensaphone-400-Alarm-Dialer-/180803454436?pt=LH_Defa
ultDomain_0hash=item2a18b9c5e4

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:38:08 -0600
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Drop in Mikrotik MAP, put it on a IP, and place it on the same circuit with
a IP without UPS.  When it goes off-line, your monitoring system tells you
MAP without UPS is off-line, you know you don't have utility power, what we
do if you don't hae sitemonitors etc..  Simple, cheap.. 


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
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Subject: [WISPA] When the power goes off

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets kicked?
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Screw a phone c all, but text is simple! 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  ? 314-735-0270 ?
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

 

He wants a phone call...




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
or text message from.

On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets kicked?
I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone to let me
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Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:

 Screw a phone c all, but text is simple!



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link

Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Scott
On 11/10/14, 1:43 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
 Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
 sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.


Android - Handcent SMS - Settings - Notification Settings - enable 
reminders - number of reminders keep repeating, reminder frequency = 5 
minutes.   Then enable custom ringtone for the sender of the text 
message set to most annoying, loud song of whatever genre the tech does 
not like, enable vibrate.

If the tech doesn't hear it, the tech's neighbor will.

This is the primary functionality which caused me to go Android rather 
than iOS, years back.

I may sleep through phone calls, I eventually wake up to this. 
Sometimes I wake up black and blue with my wife beating me. :-)

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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Sean Heskett
iOS has had repeat message alerts for years



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Scott lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote:

 On 11/10/14, 1:43 PM, can...@believewireless.net javascript:; wrote:
  Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
  sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.
 

 Android - Handcent SMS - Settings - Notification Settings - enable
 reminders - number of reminders keep repeating, reminder frequency = 5
 minutes.   Then enable custom ringtone for the sender of the text
 message set to most annoying, loud song of whatever genre the tech does
 not like, enable vibrate.

 If the tech doesn't hear it, the tech's neighbor will.

 This is the primary functionality which caused me to go Android rather
 than iOS, years back.

 I may sleep through phone calls, I eventually wake up to this.
 Sometimes I wake up black and blue with my wife beating me. :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA

2014-11-10 Thread Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
John,
We might be able to help them out with at least 25Mbps.

Our coverage locator is here:
http://www.aircloudcom.com/internet-availability/

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:39 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

 And I know someone in San Ramon that the business complex is across the
 street from Comcast. They want $10,000 to cross the street.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 That would be awesome if someone could shoot him a wireless link.

 Though, i have customers out here in silicon valley where Comcast has
 quoted them $120k in construction costs to pull coax a single mile up a
 road...

 -Mike
 On Nov 7, 2014 9:13 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  This would be a huge PR stunt foe WISPs and WISPA! Lets give this guy
 free service for couple of months!


 http://consumerist.com/2014/11/06/time-warner-wants-2-to-connect-rural-customer-to-broadband/?





  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

2014-11-10 Thread Brett Woollum
We use the Prowl application for sending notifications to iPhones. It's really 
neat app that allows you the send push notifications/alerts to iOS devices. We 
use it for outage and network alerts. 

It has one alert tone that keeps beeping for a while and it's super annoying. 
You can use those for the critical high-level alerts, and a quieter alert tone 
for more mundane alerts. And there are several in-between. 

We use it with our in-house monitoring system that monitors every device in the 
network (radios, routers, switches, and PacketFlux Site Monitor units). Ours is 
currently set up to send alerts for outages, packet loss, utility power 
loss/restoration, OSPF flaps, etc. 

Check it out: 
http://www.prowlapp.com/ 


Brett Woollum 
Senior Sales Engineer 
br...@tekify.com 

Tekify Broadband Internet Services 
Web: http://www.tekify.com 
Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 

- Original Message -

From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:43:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off 


Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to sleep 
through a phone call but I do know it happens. 


On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess  dmburg...@linktechs.net  
wrote: 





Screw a phone c all, but text is simple! 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off 




He wants a phone call... 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way  t...@way.vg  wrote: 
Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP trap 
that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL or text 
message from. 



On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support  supp...@oregononline.net  wrote: 
Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets 
kicked? I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone 
to let me know when the server has lost power. Does anyone have a cheap 
way to solve this? 
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