RE: [WISPA] Marlon and WISPA

2007-02-15 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Marlon Rocks!!!  :-)

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I just wanted to let the list know that Marlon from Odessa, WA came down
today, a two and a half hour drive (too foggy for me to fly up and get him)
and taught my new installers how to properly do couplings on coax and cat 5
plus helped us move two tower antennas.  He did this for considerably less
pay then anyone else but wanted to help another WISPA member. 

Every day I get more value out of belonging to this group, from Form 455 to
this amazing generosity, all he asked was that if they have an emergency
that taxed his resources could I help back.   I'm a retired Fire Chief and
it's so refreshing to hear someone in the Private Sector have the same
approach as the Fire Service has for loaning each others assets when things
get crazy.  It's a testimony to the strength of our membership and the
friendships that happen because of it.  This has reinvigoraged me for this
stressful business because when you feel your alone and the only one truly
motivated for success then someone comes along that is the same its nice to
have someone to talk to who can relate on our level.

One note to Marlon, I know you saw me do some things that would make for
good fodder on here but be warned I will fire back with my own.. lol!  What
a great friend and fellow WISP I have found with Marlon, bravo to all of you
for doing what so many independent business owners never seem to do, get a
long for the common good.  Thank you, Marlon!

Forbes Mercy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

President - Washington Broadband, Inc.  http://www.wabroadband.com

Yakima, WA (509) 853-0858

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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
Thank you Rick.  I did fire the question to the Trango forum as well.  Not
many replies as of yet.

Jeff over at Slingshot wireless engaged Tino w/ Trango about the issue for
us.  Jeff thought it might be worth while to change the polarity from
horizontal to vertical to see if that helped so we made that change
yesterday evening.  The site survey now has us running on 5736 V  which
shoes a peak noise floor of -97 and -91 on the adjacent channels.  Looks to
be wide open just like the H plain.  

- Don

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I had another one do the same thing. It ended up being EMF from a
nearby A/C unit. I noticed it dropped out when the A/C went on. Once I
moved the unit far enough away things worked properly. Otherwide, the
only other thing I can think of is a power issue. Of course there are
other guys on this list who I'm sure can come up with some ideas.
Whcih reminds me, did you try Trango's discussin list?

On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof

 - Don

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 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:45 PM
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 How high is the AP? Maybe your under the signal.
 Can you install another SU for testing purposes further away?

 On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes, running the beta on the SU and AP.
 
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range
 
  When you say your running the latest firmware does that mean the beta
  su fw? I had one doing the same thing and the beta fixed it.
 
  On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   We are running the Trango units (fairly successfully) at most of our
   locations.  We have a new client that we turned up about a week ago.
 This
   is a new AP and this is the only client on that AP.  The distance is
   literally across the street and we have a fantastic signal.  The
 loopback
   tests shows a perfect connection with no packet loss at all.
  
  
  
   The problem…  For an unknown reason, this unit is dropping out of
   registration for 12-25 minutes on an average of once per day.  There
is
   nothing common about the time of day that it drops.  We have ran
surveys
   before, during, and after this loss of association, and the noise
floor
  and
   surrounding channels show a peak of a -90 or better.
  
  
  
   We are running the latest firmware on the AP and the SU.
  
   We have replaced the SU with one running a slightly older firmware.
  
   We have played with some of the power settings.
  
  
  
   … and still no luck with this issue.
  
  
  
   Are their any tricks or best practices for a link this close?  Is
their
 a
   solution that I would not have this problem with.  This customer needs
a
   minimum of 5mb up and 5mb down and will be scaling to 10mb in about 2
   months.
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  
  
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread chris cooper
We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of the
radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

- Don

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We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have good
line
 of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides.  Additionally, when the
link
 is up, it's perfect.  One thing that I will note is the AP is only a
few
 feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords
 requirements.  Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof


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RE: [WISPA] Reseller Program

2007-02-15 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
OK! Those of you that are not paid members, please delete Mac's email
below (hehe)

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Reseller Program

 

Forbes,

 

  I have one that was drawn up by my attorney. I'm like Scriv in that I
will share with any WISPA member, but I ask that it remain exclusively
for WSPA members.

 

You will have to change it up to fit your needs J

 

Later,

 

Mac Dearman



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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:22 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Reseller Program

 

Does anybody have a Reseller agreement that they use in computer stores
to sign up Internet with commission?  I'd sure like to look at a boiler
plate I could use to modify for our usage. 

Thanks,

Forbes

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[WISPA] Canadian Wisps

2007-02-15 Thread Carl A jeptha
Please contact me offlist to see if we can have our own chapter under 
the WISPA Umbrella


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Re: [WISPA] Marlon and WISPA

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thanks for the kind words Forbes!  How are the customers doing this am?  Can 
you tell yet?  I'd really like to know if all of the customers came back 
online on the system that we pulled the amp from.


I'd also like to know (on here would be great) if the other customers can 
see any difference in their services after our cleanup work on the hill.


And don't worry, I won't tell a sole about the forgotten keys, snakes  or 
power tools!  Mum's the word!


cackle

Anyhow, I'm finally up on the hill at Ephrata.  The system that died 
yesterday wouldn't come back up with a power cycle so I had to drive down 
here far too early in the morn.  The SB airpoint pro had to be factory reset 
and reprogrammed.  Working like a champ now.  Go figure.


Take care and good luck on that tower you're putting on the air in the next 
day or so!  This new one will work a lot better


laters,
marlon

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I just wanted to let the list know that Marlon from Odessa, WA came down 
today, a two and a half hour drive (too foggy for me to fly up and get 
him) and taught my new installers how to properly do couplings on coax and 
cat 5 plus helped us move two tower antennas.  He did this for 
considerably less pay then anyone else but wanted to help another WISPA 
member.


Every day I get more value out of belonging to this group, from Form 455 
to this amazing generosity, all he asked was that if they have an 
emergency that taxed his resources could I help back.   I'm a retired Fire 
Chief and it's so refreshing to hear someone in the Private Sector have 
the same approach as the Fire Service has for loaning each others assets 
when things get crazy.  It's a testimony to the strength of our membership 
and the friendships that happen because of it.  This has reinvigoraged me 
for this stressful business because when you feel your alone and the only 
one truly motivated for success then someone comes along that is the same 
its nice to have someone to talk to who can relate on our level.


One note to Marlon, I know you saw me do some things that would make for 
good fodder on here but be warned I will fire back with my own.. lol! 
What a great friend and fellow WISP I have found with Marlon, bravo to all 
of you for doing what so many independent business owners never seem to 
do, get a long for the common good.  Thank you, Marlon!


Forbes Mercy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

President - Washington Broadband, Inc.  http://www.wabroadband.com

Yakima, WA (509) 853-0858









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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  And 
the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is 
amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy, 
small small fractions in fact.


Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can 
always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios.  FHSS has 72 
(or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  WiFi has basically 2 these 
days.


Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test 
them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will change dramatically 
however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real 
customers with real traffic.


laters,
marlon

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal. 
Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of 
5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to 
deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups 
are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical 
box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio. 
Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number 
of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.


Does anything like that exist?

-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] WA State WISPS

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Let me think about this.  There's a wisp in Idaho that's gone around the 
bend with dnr.  Pace was his last name.  Can't remember the first one yet.

marlon

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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WA State WISPS



Anyone?

ryan

D. Ryan Spott wrote, On 2/13/2007 4:43 PM:

Hello all!

I am looking at leasing space on the ground or on a tower owned by WA 
State Department of Natural Resources.


When I look at the leasing brochure they list wireless broadband 
providers and cellular telephone carriers as a you must negotiate 
rate.


So.. do any of you have existing leases? Are you willing to share 
ballpark figures for leasing space?


Thanks!

ryan


ps: I joined and already posted this to the WA State WISPA list..

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Re: [WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
You guys, someone has to climb up and put the rope up there in the first 
place!  grin


- Original Message - 
From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs



I want one !!!


Brad H


On 2/14/07, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


But, look at all the exercise you would miss!
Seriously though, I cant believe this has not been designed before now?

On 2/14/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, someone's done it!  A portable tower elevator.

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251888,00.html

 :)

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Re: [WISPA] Reseller Program

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I don't have anything formal.

We've done this in two ways.  In one case the company also did installs and 
local basic tech support.  I paid them $7 per sub that they acquired for us. 
(I'd make it $3 or $5 these days and do my own installs.)


In a current case, the computer store buys internet from us.  For very x 
customer they refer they get free service.  Depending on whether the new 
customer is fiber (10 to 1) or wireless (1 to 1).


laters,
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Reseller Program


Does anybody have a Reseller agreement that they use in computer stores to 
sign up Internet with commission?  I'd sure like to look at a boiler plate 
I could use to modify for our usage.


Thanks,

Forbes









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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Sam Tetherow
There shouldn't be any interference from 2.4 to 5.8 though should there, 
even if the card can handle dual band (CM9s)?


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  
And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches 
vs. feet is amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is 
much less energy, small small fractions in fact.


Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because 
they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by 
radios.  FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  
WiFi has basically 2 these days.


Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such 
critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will 
change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND 
with the addition of real customers with real traffic.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an 
animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio 
unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I 
wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what 
kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can 
deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a 
single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I 
can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.


Does anything like that exist?

-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Matt Liotta
Wi-Fi doesn't mean 2.4Ghz and while we don't deploy a lot of Wi-Fi we 
have some idea what we are doing. Thanks for the concern.


-Matt

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  
And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches 
vs. feet is amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is 
much less energy, small small fractions in fact.


Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because 
they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by 
radios.  FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  
WiFi has basically 2 these days.


Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such 
critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will 
change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND 
with the addition of real customers with real traffic.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an 
animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio 
unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I 
wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what 
kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can 
deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a 
single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I 
can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.


Does anything like that exist?

-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap.  X4 cloaking has 6
channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do
not overlap.

We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless
two active radios are on the same channel.  I am not sure about 6 but
I know for sure that 4 works fine.  Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO
leakage.  Even with the cards side by side they will not link up.  In
order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna.

Lonnie

On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  And
the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is
amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy,
small small fractions in fact.

Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can
always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios.  FHSS has 72
(or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  WiFi has basically 2 these
days.

Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test
them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will change dramatically
however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real
customers with real traffic.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal.
Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of
5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.
 Scriv


 Matt Liotta wrote:

 We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to
 deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups
 are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical
 box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio.
 Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number
 of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.

 Does anything like that exist?

 -Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
OK, changing from H to V polarity didn't seem to work.  We just had another
drop that lasted about 2 minutes.  I just sent one of our engineers to a
local distributor about an hour away to buy a Canopy AP and SU.  We are out
of spare tires with this customer.  I'm really disappointed with the luck we
have had with the Trango FOX units so far.

- Don

Syslog:
# syslog
  0 0:00:00:04.898 [1] [ATTN] batchd started
  1 0:00:00:05.235 [1] rcd: start
  2 0:00:00:08.595 [1] Init of mod_trango_reg
  3 0:00:00:09.303 [1] telnetd is disabled
  4 0:00:00:14.865 [1] snmpset chch 8
  5 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset ant h
  6 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset power 22
  7 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset scantable
  8 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset httpd switch = 1
  9 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset pppoeonly = 0
 10 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset bcast = 1
 11 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_ap = 1
 12 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_su = 1
 13 0:00:00:17.471 [1] [ATTN] System Settings loaded
 14 0:00:00:17.539 [1] rcd: system settings are available
 15 0:00:00:17.539 [1] batchd: system settings are available
 16 0:00:00:17.539 [1] Success to set rssi vector from flash: 132 -439 132
-439
 17 0:00:00:17.539 [1] 48 entries in power table
 18 0:00:00:17.550 [1] Operate in legacy mode
 19 0:00:00:17.550 [1] batchd: start shelld
 20 0:00:00:17.550 [1] telnetport = 23
 21 0:00:00:17.584 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 22 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: rx_fifo_err_thr = 100
 23 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: boa 2
 24 0:00:00:17.606 [1] batchd: start boa
 25 0:00:00:17.617 [1] httpport = 80
 26 0:00:00:17.640 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 27 0:00:00:17.640 [1] Skip update power at 0 MHz.
 28 0:00:00:17.640 [1] batchd: boa 1
 29 0:00:00:17.651 [1] set_br_param cmd=21 value=1
 30 0:00:00:22.719 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 31 0:00:00:50.539 [1] utype = 0
 32 0:00:00:50.539 [1] set_br_param cmd=22 value=1
 33 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=23 value=1
 34 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=20 value=0
 35 0:00:00:54.539 [1] Associated
 36 0:06:35:50.134 [1] Disconnected
 37 0:07:09:41.696 [1] Associated
 38 0:07:11:19.022 [1] Disconnected
 39 0:07:12:22.224 [1] Associated
 40 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset scantable
 41 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset chch 6
 42 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset ant h
 43 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset power 22
 44 0:07:14:18.067 [1] ch = 6, ant = 1
 45 0:07:14:19.089 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 46 0:07:14:20.235 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 47 0:07:14:20.235 [1] Disconnected
 48 0:07:14:41.853 [1] Associated
 49 1:12:49:53.337 [1] Disconnected
 50 1:13:13:07.573 [1] Associated
 51 1:13:21:52.022 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 52 1:14:33:07.134 [1] freq 5836  power 15  pa 1 58 58 62 6E 7A
 53 2:03:09:55.842 [1] Disconnected
 54 2:03:24:39.404 [1] Associated
 55 2:03:24:45.730 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 56 2:03:25:33.775 [1] Disconnected
 57 2:03:29:02.101 [1] Associated
 58 2:03:30:06.382 [1] snmpset scantable
 59 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset chch 1
 60 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset ant v
 61 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset power 22
 62 2:03:30:06.404 [1] ch = 1, ant = 0
 63 2:03:30:06.921 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 64 2:03:30:08.539 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 65 2:03:30:08.539 [1] Disconnected
 66 2:03:30:42.426 [1] Associated
 67 2:03:30:48.764 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 68 2:03:30:50.000 [1] freq 5736  power 16  pa 1 57 57 62 6E 7A
 69 2:03:33:11.157 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 70 2:03:33:12.292 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 71 2:15:54:42.494 [1] freq 5736  power 18  pa 15 61 61 6D 79 85
 72 2:15:54:43.550 [1] freq 5736  power 14  pa -8 4D 4D 58 64 70
 73 2:19:59:45.101 [1] Disconnected
 74 2:20:02:15.303 [1] Associated
Success.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Cc: Tim McCrickard
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of the
radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so
often it would just crash.  It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held
the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the
mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem.

chris
On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The building the SU is on is not much lower.  It appears to have 

RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Todd Barber
Have you considered the possibility of a 5.8 GHz cordless phone in the area?
I know we have seen this issue in the 2.4 GHz range when someone nearby
would get on the cordless handset.  

Todd Barber
Skylink Broadband Internet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
970-454-9499

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Tim McCrickard'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

OK, changing from H to V polarity didn't seem to work.  We just had another
drop that lasted about 2 minutes.  I just sent one of our engineers to a
local distributor about an hour away to buy a Canopy AP and SU.  We are out
of spare tires with this customer.  I'm really disappointed with the luck we
have had with the Trango FOX units so far.

- Don

Syslog:
# syslog
  0 0:00:00:04.898 [1] [ATTN] batchd started
  1 0:00:00:05.235 [1] rcd: start
  2 0:00:00:08.595 [1] Init of mod_trango_reg
  3 0:00:00:09.303 [1] telnetd is disabled
  4 0:00:00:14.865 [1] snmpset chch 8
  5 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset ant h
  6 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset power 22
  7 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset scantable
  8 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset httpd switch = 1
  9 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset pppoeonly = 0
 10 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset bcast = 1
 11 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_ap = 1
 12 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_su = 1
 13 0:00:00:17.471 [1] [ATTN] System Settings loaded
 14 0:00:00:17.539 [1] rcd: system settings are available
 15 0:00:00:17.539 [1] batchd: system settings are available
 16 0:00:00:17.539 [1] Success to set rssi vector from flash: 132 -439 132
-439
 17 0:00:00:17.539 [1] 48 entries in power table
 18 0:00:00:17.550 [1] Operate in legacy mode
 19 0:00:00:17.550 [1] batchd: start shelld
 20 0:00:00:17.550 [1] telnetport = 23
 21 0:00:00:17.584 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 22 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: rx_fifo_err_thr = 100
 23 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: boa 2
 24 0:00:00:17.606 [1] batchd: start boa
 25 0:00:00:17.617 [1] httpport = 80
 26 0:00:00:17.640 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 27 0:00:00:17.640 [1] Skip update power at 0 MHz.
 28 0:00:00:17.640 [1] batchd: boa 1
 29 0:00:00:17.651 [1] set_br_param cmd=21 value=1
 30 0:00:00:22.719 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 31 0:00:00:50.539 [1] utype = 0
 32 0:00:00:50.539 [1] set_br_param cmd=22 value=1
 33 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=23 value=1
 34 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=20 value=0
 35 0:00:00:54.539 [1] Associated
 36 0:06:35:50.134 [1] Disconnected
 37 0:07:09:41.696 [1] Associated
 38 0:07:11:19.022 [1] Disconnected
 39 0:07:12:22.224 [1] Associated
 40 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset scantable
 41 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset chch 6
 42 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset ant h
 43 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset power 22
 44 0:07:14:18.067 [1] ch = 6, ant = 1
 45 0:07:14:19.089 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 46 0:07:14:20.235 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 47 0:07:14:20.235 [1] Disconnected
 48 0:07:14:41.853 [1] Associated
 49 1:12:49:53.337 [1] Disconnected
 50 1:13:13:07.573 [1] Associated
 51 1:13:21:52.022 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 52 1:14:33:07.134 [1] freq 5836  power 15  pa 1 58 58 62 6E 7A
 53 2:03:09:55.842 [1] Disconnected
 54 2:03:24:39.404 [1] Associated
 55 2:03:24:45.730 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 56 2:03:25:33.775 [1] Disconnected
 57 2:03:29:02.101 [1] Associated
 58 2:03:30:06.382 [1] snmpset scantable
 59 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset chch 1
 60 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset ant v
 61 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset power 22
 62 2:03:30:06.404 [1] ch = 1, ant = 0
 63 2:03:30:06.921 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 64 2:03:30:08.539 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 65 2:03:30:08.539 [1] Disconnected
 66 2:03:30:42.426 [1] Associated
 67 2:03:30:48.764 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 68 2:03:30:50.000 [1] freq 5736  power 16  pa 1 57 57 62 6E 7A
 69 2:03:33:11.157 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 70 2:03:33:12.292 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 71 2:15:54:42.494 [1] freq 5736  power 18  pa 15 61 61 6D 79 85
 72 2:15:54:43.550 [1] freq 5736  power 14  pa -8 4D 4D 58 64 70
 73 2:19:59:45.101 [1] Disconnected
 74 2:20:02:15.303 [1] Associated
Success.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Cc: Tim McCrickard
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

Interesting...  So it is not a good practice in general to shoot across a
flat roof without some height on the radio.  In looking at the integrated
antennal specs, It seemed like I had the clearance but with the power of the
radio (being so close), maybe this increases the chance for multi-path?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chris 

Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

Jack,

Of course the throughput on 4 cards is not 4 times the throughput on a
single card.  The processors cannot handle that at this time.  It
needs more than a 533 to drive 4 Atheros cards to full throughput and
then you have the limitation that most units today are only using 100
mbps Ethernet.  The current systems are not perfect but they represent
an improvement.  We are pretty confident that there will soon be more
powerful embedded units that can drive 4 cards to full throughput.  As
usual we work with the tools we are given.

When I said no great issues, I thought the very next sentence
qualified that with the requirement that they not use the same
channels.

I'd have to disagree and say that if they don't link up then they have
no appreciable leakage and thus will not interfere to any great
extent.  Don't forget that Spread Spectrum by its very nature is able
to handle some interference and not degrade.

The way we look at it is that a single unit with 4 cards is much
easier to deploy and the configuration is much easier to setup.
Routing is easier and the kernel can pass data between radios rather
than going in/out Ethernet ports for a repeater use.

Our standard AP deployment is to use X2 cloaking with 10 MHz wide RF
to give us 6 channels with no overlap.  We use 2 WLM-54G cards for 2.4
GHz and 2 SR9 for 900 MHz on a 4 port unit.  It might not be optimum
but in our experience it beats the last generation of systems with
singles using a switch at the tower base.  We get all of that with
less than 8 Watts of normal power draw and about 12 to 15 Watts under
high load.  This means my batteries can last for a very long time and
we have 40% of our repeater sites on Solar Power only, with no real
requirement to consider commercial power, which is good, because some
of the sites cannot get it anyway.

There might be better units out there, but any we have looked at are a
lot more money and they draw a lot more power.  For the intended use
these are good enough and in fact exceed our requirements, which means
they exceed what the average ISP will need as well.  If someone needs
absolute maximum on 4 radios at the same time then all they have to do
is use multiple units, but for an average set of AP's with residential
and light commercial customers there is no need to get that
complicated.

Lonnie


On 2/15/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lonnie,

Just so I understand your information more completely...

What is the definition of no great issues. Does this mean that when
all four radios in one box were tested running at full throughput the
aggregate throughput was equal to four times the maximum throughput of
one radio running in a box all by itself?

Also, there is a difference between side-by-side cards that don't link
up and side-by-side cards that are interference-free. The leakage level
needed for cards to link up is higher than the leakage level where cards
will mutually interfere with each other. It's possible for the leakage
level to be high enough to interfere and cause throughput reduction but
still be below the leakage level that will enable linking up.

If simultaneous all-card throughput testing has been done and you're
getting full throughput from each card simultaneously then either you've
done excellent engineering, grounding, and shielding work OR the cards
ARE exceptionally well shielded and there are no motherboard or
backplane leakage issues.

Thanks,
jack



Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
 Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap.  X4 cloaking has 6
 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do
 not overlap.

 We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless
 two active radios are on the same channel.  I am not sure about 6 but
 I know for sure that 4 works fine.  Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO
 leakage.  Even with the cards side by side they will not link up.  In
 order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna.

 Lonnie

 On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  And
 the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs.
 feet is
 amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy,
 small small fractions in fact.

 Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because
 they can
 always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios.  FHSS
 has 72
 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  WiFi has basically 2 these
 days.

 Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such
 critters, test
 them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will change
 dramatically
 however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of
 real
 customers with real traffic.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 

RE: [WISPA] Reseller Program

2007-02-15 Thread Forbes Mercy
Thanks a bunch Mac!

Forbes

 

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Forbes,

 

  I have one that was drawn up by my attorney. I’m like Scriv in that I will 
share with any WISPA member, but I ask that it remain exclusively for WSPA 
members.

 

You will have to change it up to fit your needs :-)

 

Later,

 

Mac Dearman

   _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Reseller Program

 

Does anybody have a Reseller agreement that they use in computer stores to sign 
up Internet with commission?  I'd sure like to look at a boiler plate I could 
use to modify for our usage. 

Thanks,

Forbes


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RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

2007-02-15 Thread Don Annas
I haven't given much thought to that as these radios are on the roof and
pretty well insulated from the inner offices.  If the 5.8 phones are causing
issues with a link less than 100yrds apart, I need to just start pulling
fiber :-)  Like you, I have seen that issue with 2.4 systems before.

- D

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Todd Barber
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

Have you considered the possibility of a 5.8 GHz cordless phone in the area?
I know we have seen this issue in the 2.4 GHz range when someone nearby
would get on the cordless handset.  

Todd Barber
Skylink Broadband Internet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
970-454-9499

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Tim McCrickard'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range

OK, changing from H to V polarity didn't seem to work.  We just had another
drop that lasted about 2 minutes.  I just sent one of our engineers to a
local distributor about an hour away to buy a Canopy AP and SU.  We are out
of spare tires with this customer.  I'm really disappointed with the luck we
have had with the Trango FOX units so far.

- Don

Syslog:
# syslog
  0 0:00:00:04.898 [1] [ATTN] batchd started
  1 0:00:00:05.235 [1] rcd: start
  2 0:00:00:08.595 [1] Init of mod_trango_reg
  3 0:00:00:09.303 [1] telnetd is disabled
  4 0:00:00:14.865 [1] snmpset chch 8
  5 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset ant h
  6 0:00:00:14.876 [1] snmpset power 22
  7 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset scantable
  8 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset httpd switch = 1
  9 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset pppoeonly = 0
 10 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset bcast = 1
 11 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_ap = 1
 12 0:00:00:15.123 [1] snmpset tcp_su = 1
 13 0:00:00:17.471 [1] [ATTN] System Settings loaded
 14 0:00:00:17.539 [1] rcd: system settings are available
 15 0:00:00:17.539 [1] batchd: system settings are available
 16 0:00:00:17.539 [1] Success to set rssi vector from flash: 132 -439 132
-439
 17 0:00:00:17.539 [1] 48 entries in power table
 18 0:00:00:17.550 [1] Operate in legacy mode
 19 0:00:00:17.550 [1] batchd: start shelld
 20 0:00:00:17.550 [1] telnetport = 23
 21 0:00:00:17.584 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 22 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: rx_fifo_err_thr = 100
 23 0:00:00:17.584 [1] batchd: boa 2
 24 0:00:00:17.606 [1] batchd: start boa
 25 0:00:00:17.617 [1] httpport = 80
 26 0:00:00:17.640 [1] ch = 8, ant = 1
 27 0:00:00:17.640 [1] Skip update power at 0 MHz.
 28 0:00:00:17.640 [1] batchd: boa 1
 29 0:00:00:17.651 [1] set_br_param cmd=21 value=1
 30 0:00:00:22.719 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 31 0:00:00:50.539 [1] utype = 0
 32 0:00:00:50.539 [1] set_br_param cmd=22 value=1
 33 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=23 value=1
 34 0:00:00:50.550 [1] set_br_param cmd=20 value=0
 35 0:00:00:54.539 [1] Associated
 36 0:06:35:50.134 [1] Disconnected
 37 0:07:09:41.696 [1] Associated
 38 0:07:11:19.022 [1] Disconnected
 39 0:07:12:22.224 [1] Associated
 40 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset scantable
 41 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset chch 6
 42 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset ant h
 43 0:07:14:18.067 [1] snmpset power 22
 44 0:07:14:18.067 [1] ch = 6, ant = 1
 45 0:07:14:19.089 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 46 0:07:14:20.235 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 47 0:07:14:20.235 [1] Disconnected
 48 0:07:14:41.853 [1] Associated
 49 1:12:49:53.337 [1] Disconnected
 50 1:13:13:07.573 [1] Associated
 51 1:13:21:52.022 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 52 1:14:33:07.134 [1] freq 5836  power 15  pa 1 58 58 62 6E 7A
 53 2:03:09:55.842 [1] Disconnected
 54 2:03:24:39.404 [1] Associated
 55 2:03:24:45.730 [1] freq 5836  power 19  pa 37 6C 6C 77 84 90
 56 2:03:25:33.775 [1] Disconnected
 57 2:03:29:02.101 [1] Associated
 58 2:03:30:06.382 [1] snmpset scantable
 59 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset chch 1
 60 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset ant v
 61 2:03:30:06.393 [1] snmpset power 22
 62 2:03:30:06.404 [1] ch = 1, ant = 0
 63 2:03:30:06.921 [1] freq 5836  power 22  pa 64 7D 7D 8A 98 A3
 64 2:03:30:08.539 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 65 2:03:30:08.539 [1] Disconnected
 66 2:03:30:42.426 [1] Associated
 67 2:03:30:48.764 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 68 2:03:30:50.000 [1] freq 5736  power 16  pa 1 57 57 62 6E 7A
 69 2:03:33:11.157 [1] freq 5736  power 19  pa 22 66 66 72 7F 8B
 70 2:03:33:12.292 [1] freq 5736  power 22  pa 44 78 78 83 93 9E
 71 2:15:54:42.494 [1] freq 5736  power 18  pa 15 61 61 6D 79 85
 72 2:15:54:43.550 [1] freq 5736  power 14  pa -8 4D 4D 58 64 70
 73 2:19:59:45.101 [1] Disconnected
 74 2:20:02:15.303 [1] Associated
Success.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:33 AM

[WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

2007-02-15 Thread Steve Stroh


I've posted my most recent update to my Broadband Wireless Internet  
Access Vendors list at http://www.bwiavendors.com/2007/02/ 
bwia_vendors_up_1.html


This update lists 85 unique vendors, and while that's a lot, I know  
there's more. If you could take a look at it and tell me of any  
vendors that I missed, I would appreciate it.


Please reply OFF-LIST; I don't want to clutter the list.

Please note that I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell  
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown  
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that  
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified.


Thanks for any help you can offer to make this a better, more  
complete list.



Thanks,

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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

2007-02-15 Thread Patrick Leary
Steve, here are a few off my head that are not there...Freewave, MDS,
Lightpointe is with an e on the end, Wave Wireless (formerly
Waverider, etc.), ZTE (ZiMAX), Huwaie, Acton Wireless Broadband (AWB),
is Cirronet still around?, Qualcomm (with their MediaFLO), Arraycom,
Terabeam actually dba's as Proxim.

P.S. - thanks for only including legal vendors 

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Steve Stroh
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list


I've posted my most recent update to my Broadband Wireless Internet  
Access Vendors list at http://www.bwiavendors.com/2007/02/ 
bwia_vendors_up_1.html

This update lists 85 unique vendors, and while that's a lot, I know  
there's more. If you could take a look at it and tell me of any  
vendors that I missed, I would appreciate it.

Please reply OFF-LIST; I don't want to clutter the list.

Please note that I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell  
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown  
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that  
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified.

Thanks for any help you can offer to make this a better, more  
complete list.


Thanks,

Steve


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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

2007-02-15 Thread Patrick Leary
Also...is Optimax still around? That was cool stuff

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Stroh
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list


I've posted my most recent update to my Broadband Wireless Internet  
Access Vendors list at http://www.bwiavendors.com/2007/02/ 
bwia_vendors_up_1.html

This update lists 85 unique vendors, and while that's a lot, I know  
there's more. If you could take a look at it and tell me of any  
vendors that I missed, I would appreciate it.

Please reply OFF-LIST; I don't want to clutter the list.

Please note that I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell  
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown  
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that  
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified.

Thanks for any help you can offer to make this a better, more  
complete list.


Thanks,

Steve


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[WISPA] Re: Feb 22

2007-02-15 Thread John Scrivner

Frannie,
I have copied the WISPA list server on this email. Please reply to me 
and let me know exactly what you would like for me to have these 
contacts do who are in the districts listed below. I am sure you want to 
see them express their need for unlicensed use of unused television 
channel space through the WIN Act of 2007. Can you tell us more specific 
ways we can help drive home this message?


Anyone in a district listed below can contact Frannie at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or you may work through me to assist you in 
getting the word out. Together we can actively change public policy to 
help us and our potential customers to get access to broadband.

Thanks,
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:


Hey there,

These are the congressional districts and the corresponding
Representatives. Do you think you might be able to find any good WISPs
in some?

Thank you!

F	 
	


California 14th district - Anna Eshoo, CA 
California 19th - George Radanovich, CA	

California 23rd - Lois Capps, CA
California 32nd - Hilda L. Solis, CA
California 36th - Jane Harman, CA
California 45th - Mary Bono, CA 
Florida 6th - Cliff Stearns, FL
Georgia 9th - Nathan Deal, GA
Illinois 1st - Bobby L. Rush, IL 
Illinois 14th - Dennis Hastert, IL

Illinois 19th - John Shimkus, IL
Indiana 9th - Baron P. Hill, IN 
Massachusetts 7th - Edward J. Markey, MA
Michigan 1st - Bart Stupak, MI  
Michigan 6th - Fred Upton, MI
Michigan 15th - John D. Dingell, MI
Mississippi 3rd - Charles W. Chip Pickering, MS
Nebraska 2nd - Lee Terry, NE
New Jersey 6th - Frank Pallone, Jr., NJ
New Jersey 7th - Mike Ferguson, NJ
New Mexico 1st - Heather Wilson, NM
New York 10th - Edolphus Towns, NY
New York 13th - Vito Fossella, NY
New York 17th - Eliot L. Engel, NY
Oregon 2nd - Greg Walden, OR
Pennsylvania 14th - Mike Doyle, PA  
Tennessee 6th - Bart Gordon, TN 
Texas 6th - Joe Barton, TX 
Texas 9th - Gene Green, TX 	

Texas 20th - Charles A. Gonzalez, TX
Virginia 9th - Rick Boucher, VA
Wyoming (all over state) - Barbara Cubin, Wy


* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net






-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:06 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22


 


I'd also like to talk about where you have people who could contact
their member of Congress - we might need to map it out, specifically
with the members of the relevant committees. If I sent you a list of
districts, do you think you might be able to match it up with good
   


WISPA
 


members?


   

I would sure try. Please send me the districts and I will work to find 
matches.

Thanks,
Scriv



 


Best,

F

* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net




-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:10 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22

My cell number is 618-237-2387. Please send me your number. I will plan
   



 


on us meeting at 3 pm on the 22nd.
Cheers!
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:



   


Sounds good. I'll check with Durbin's office and see if his staff has
time that afternoon.

Let's meet for coffee on the 22nd at 3pm if that works for you. If we
have a meeting in the Senate, we could just meet over there.

Best,

F

* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net


-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:14 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22

I would like to do that. It would need to be in the afternoon if 
possible. I have other commitments all morning and until after lunch.
  

 


If


   


you can arrange for a time for me to meet with them in the afternoon
  

 


and


   


you and I could be there together that would be great. Let me know.
Thanks,
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:



  

 


Hey there,

You're in town on the 22^nd right? Do you have time to a) get a cup
   


of
 

 



   

  

 

coffee with me and b) meet with Senator Durbin's staff? I can set it 
up if you let me know. I might be out of town on the 23^rd , so I 
thought I'd check with you now.


Best,

F

* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net http://www.freepress.net/

 



   

  

 




   



 


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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I'd think that would be correct.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


There shouldn't be any interference from 2.4 to 5.8 though should there, 
even if the card can handle dual band (CM9s)?


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  
And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches 
vs. feet is amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is 
much less energy, small small fractions in fact.


Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because 
they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by 
radios.  FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  
WiFi has basically 2 these days.


Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such 
critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will 
change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND 
with the addition of real customers with real traffic.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an 
animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio 
unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I 
wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what 
kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can 
deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a 
single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I 
can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.


Does anything like that exist?

-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Re: Feb 22

2007-02-15 Thread Bob Knight
We are in NM 2, Tom Udall. NM 1 has the Sandoval County-wide wireless initiative (which, 
IMNSHO, is a money sink of the finest kind: NM political and economic development 
history repeated in classic form with the usual up-front grandiose claims and goals, award 
of funds, under-delivery of promises, followed, of course, by the departure of various 
monetary benefactees when it's become clear the money stream is drying up) and Rio 
Rancho's wireless system. There are, no doubt, some wired ISP's doing wireless in that 
area. I will forward your message on to another list that may have some ppl on it, if desired.


We'd be interested, of course, in said spectrum.

Bob


John Scrivner wrote:

Frannie,
I have copied the WISPA list server on this email. Please reply to me 
and let me know exactly what you would like for me to have these 
contacts do who are in the districts listed below. I am sure you want to 
see them express their need for unlicensed use of unused television 
channel space through the WIN Act of 2007. Can you tell us more specific 
ways we can help drive home this message?


Anyone in a district listed below can contact Frannie at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or you may work through me to assist you in 
getting the word out. Together we can actively change public policy to 
help us and our potential customers to get access to broadband.

Thanks,
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:


Hey there,

These are the congressional districts and the corresponding
Representatives. Do you think you might be able to find any good WISPs
in some?

Thank you!

F 

California 14th district - Anna Eshoo, CA California 19th - George 
Radanovich, CA   
California 23rd - Lois Capps, CA

California 32nd - Hilda L. Solis, CA
California 36th - Jane Harman, CA
California 45th - Mary Bono, CA   
Florida 6th - Cliff Stearns, FL

Georgia 9th - Nathan Deal, GA
Illinois 1st - Bobby L. Rush, IL Illinois 14th - Dennis Hastert, IL
Illinois 19th - John Shimkus, IL
Indiana 9th - Baron P. Hill, IN   
Massachusetts 7th - Edward J. Markey, MA
Michigan 1st - Bart Stupak, MI
Michigan 6th - Fred Upton, MI

Michigan 15th - John D. Dingell, MI
Mississippi 3rd - Charles W. Chip Pickering, MS
Nebraska 2nd - Lee Terry, NE
New Jersey 6th - Frank Pallone, Jr., NJ
New Jersey 7th - Mike Ferguson, NJ
New Mexico 1st - Heather Wilson, NM
New York 10th - Edolphus Towns, NY
New York 13th - Vito Fossella, NY
New York 17th - Eliot L. Engel, NY
Oregon 2nd - Greg Walden, OR
Pennsylvania 14th - Mike Doyle, PA   
Tennessee 6th - Bart Gordon, TN   
Texas 6th - Joe Barton, TX Texas 9th - Gene Green, TX
Texas 20th - Charles A. Gonzalez, TX

Virginia 9th - Rick Boucher, VA
Wyoming (all over state) - Barbara Cubin, Wy



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Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net






-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 
14, 2007 2:06 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22


 


I'd also like to talk about where you have people who could contact
their member of Congress - we might need to map it out, specifically
with the members of the relevant committees. If I sent you a list of
districts, do you think you might be able to match it up with good
  

WISPA
 


members?


  
I would sure try. Please send me the districts and I will work to find 
matches.

Thanks,
Scriv



 


Best,

F

* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net




-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 
2007 11:10 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22

My cell number is 618-237-2387. Please send me your number. I will plan
  


 


on us meeting at 3 pm on the 22nd.
Cheers!
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:



  

Sounds good. I'll check with Durbin's office and see if his staff has
time that afternoon.

Let's meet for coffee on the 22nd at 3pm if that works for you. If we
have a meeting in the Senate, we could just meet over there.

Best,

F

* * *

Frannie Wellings

Associate Policy Director

Free Press

202.265.1490 x 21

www.freepress.net


-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 
2007 3:14 PM

To: Frannie Wellings
Subject: Re: Feb 22

I would like to do that. It would need to be in the afternoon if 
possible. I have other commitments all morning and until after lunch.
 


If


  

you can arrange for a time for me to meet with them in the afternoon
 


and


  

you and I could be there together that would be great. Let me know.
Thanks,
Scriv


Frannie Wellings wrote:



 


Hey there,

You're in town on the 22^nd right? Do you have time to a) get a cup
  

of
 

 

   
  
 

coffee with me and b) meet with Senator Durbin's staff? I can set 
it up if you let me know. I might be out of town on the 23^rd , so 
I thought I'd check with you now.


Best,

F

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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
There USED to be three non overlapping channels.  Now channel 6 overlaps 
with every third house in many markets :-).

Marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations



Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap.  X4 cloaking has 6
channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do
not overlap.

We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless
two active radios are on the same channel.  I am not sure about 6 but
I know for sure that 4 works fine.  Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO
leakage.  Even with the cards side by side they will not link up.  In
order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna.

Lonnie

On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  And
the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet 
is

amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy,
small small fractions in fact.

Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they 
can
always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios.  FHSS has 
72

(or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  WiFi has basically 2 these
days.

Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, 
test
them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will change 
dramatically
however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of 
real

customers with real traffic.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an 
animal.
Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable 
of

5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.
 Scriv


 Matt Liotta wrote:

 We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted 
 to
 deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of 
 setups
 are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one 
 physical

 box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio.
 Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable 
 number

 of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.

 Does anything like that exist?

 -Matt

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[WISPA] Attention: Form 445 Information

2007-02-15 Thread John Scrivner
Below are the companies which are to be included in the revised 445 
filing. If your company should have been listed here and is not then 
please email john at scrivner.com right away. This is available only to 
paid WISPA Principal Members. New members need to make sure payments for 
membership are received prior to 2 pm Central time tomorrow (Friday) 
Payments can be made immediately by sending via Paypal to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The revised Form 445 will be filed Friday afternoon.

Scriv

Companies included:

PowerOne Internet
NuTel Broadband Corporation
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
NexGenAccess Inc.
Geneva On-Line, Inc.
Webjogger Internet Services
St. Louis Broadband LLC
Supernova Systems, Inc.
Great American Networks, Inc.
Dot11 Networks, Inc.


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[WISPA] Fw: [Ham-80211] 2.4 GHz remote broadcast

2007-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi

- Original Message - 
From: Steve 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: [Ham-80211] 2.4 GHz remote broadcast


Monday I noticed that a local TV station was doing a remote broadcast from 
downtown.  What's interesting about this is that much to my surprise this was 
done on 2.4 GHz analog.  I could see it with a Wavecom Jr.  So for a few hours 
the 2.4 band was trashed.  It started with a color test pattern a bit fuzzy as 
they were apparently aiming the remote van's antenna towards Scrays hill, which 
I am in the path of.

Pretty nice that the local TV stations use a Part 15 band and ham band! for 
that I thought... 


A quick look at the 2400-2483.5 MHz licenses in WI shows: 
KB55142 
County: Brown 
JOURNAL BROADCAST CORPORATION 
Broadcast Callsign: WGBA 
EIRP: 60 dBm (1000 watts!)
Transmitter Manufacturer: Microwave Radio Comm. 
Transmitter Model: Code Runner 


There are other entries, all TV related, that was the only local one I found 
and this interesting, because their operations are right in the middle of a ham 
band. Quite surprised and confused to see licenses for
this..  Someone a while back point out there are licenses for stuff on the 
band... This one isn't government related, so quite frankly I'm confused, as it 
doesn't quite follow the band allocations?





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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

2007-02-15 Thread Mac Dearman
So Steve - who does that mean you leave out? (I can only think of two MAJOR
players)

You ask this on a list that where there are probably only 3 members who run
100% stickered radios? SHAME! 


 I realize that this will probably stir the stink, but get REAL! Post your
list openly - Patrick you can roll in the sunshine for a day, but I will
tell you what - -- the day is short and the time is near to where some of
the guys whose gear is getting black listed and put to an open shame today
in your posts is nearing an end. Then will be our (illegal SOB's today))
time to gloat and bask in the sun like a pig in a long, fat, deep, cool
wallow. Then what? 


Mac Dearman



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Stroh
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list


I've posted my most recent update to my Broadband Wireless Internet  
Access Vendors list at http://www.bwiavendors.com/2007/02/ 
bwia_vendors_up_1.html

This update lists 85 unique vendors, and while that's a lot, I know  
there's more. If you could take a look at it and tell me of any  
vendors that I missed, I would appreciate it.

Please reply OFF-LIST; I don't want to clutter the list.

Please note that I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell  
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown  
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that  
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified.

Thanks for any help you can offer to make this a better, more  
complete list.


Thanks,

Steve


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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler

Precisely why X2 cloaking is so important.  It doubles the number of
channels and X4 gives 11 of them back to us.  X4 gives about 7 mbps
with non compressible data and over 12 mbps with compressible data.
Better than a standard B model with perfect conditions.

The other thing to keep in mind is that all of those channel 6 units
attached to ADSL lines are typically unused or lightly used.  They
connect with an ADSL line and thus cannot even begin to consume the
total air time.

The Telco here is distributing units with 400 mW radaios whether the
client even wants wireless in their home.  It does not even phase a
cloaked connection so we are OK with it.

Lonnie

On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There USED to be three non overlapping channels.  Now channel 6 overlaps
with every third house in many markets :-).
Marlon

- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


 Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap.  X4 cloaking has 6
 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do
 not overlap.

 We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless
 two active radios are on the same channel.  I am not sure about 6 but
 I know for sure that 4 works fine.  Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO
 leakage.  Even with the cards side by side they will not link up.  In
 order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna.

 Lonnie

 On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd recommend against that idea Matt.  ALL devices leak some energy.  And
 the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet
 is
 amazing.  If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy,
 small small fractions in fact.

 Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they
 can
 always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios.  FHSS has
 72
 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  WiFi has basically 2 these
 days.

 Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters,
 test
 them in the lap and then say that they work.  Life will change
 dramatically
 however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of
 real
 customers with real traffic.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations


 I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an
 animal.
 Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable
 of
 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box.
  Scriv
 
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted
  to
  deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of
  setups
  are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one
  physical
  box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio.
  Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable
  number
  of radio interfaces by simply adding cards.
 
  Does anything like that exist?
 
  -Matt
 
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Re: [WISPA] Re: Feb 22

2007-02-15 Thread wispa
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:21:19 -0600, John Scrivner wrote

I'm in Walden's district here in Oregon.   However, I don't fully understand 
what, exactly, is being sought. 

Are they wanting someone to lobby the Congresscritters, or are we supposed 
to contact them to help them...??? 

What, exactly? 



 Frannie,
 I have copied the WISPA list server on this email. Please reply to 
 me and let me know exactly what you would like for me to have these 
 contacts do who are in the districts listed below. I am sure you 
 want to see them express their need for unlicensed use of unused 
 television channel space through the WIN Act of 2007. Can you tell 
 us more specific ways we can help drive home this message?
 
 Anyone in a district listed below can contact Frannie at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you may work through me to assist you in 
 getting the word out. Together we can actively change public policy 
 to help us and our potential customers to get access to broadband. 
 Thanks, Scriv
 
 Frannie Wellings wrote:
 
 Hey there,
 
 These are the congressional districts and the corresponding
 Representatives. Do you think you might be able to find any good WISPs
 in some?
 
 Thank you!
 
 F 
  
  
 California 14th district - Anna Eshoo, CA 
 California 19th - George Radanovich, CA  
 California 23rd - Lois Capps, CA
 California 32nd - Hilda L. Solis, CA
 California 36th - Jane Harman, CA
 California 45th - Mary Bono, CA  
 Florida 6th - Cliff Stearns, FL
 Georgia 9th - Nathan Deal, GA
 Illinois 1st - Bobby L. Rush, IL 
 Illinois 14th - Dennis Hastert, IL
 Illinois 19th - John Shimkus, IL
 Indiana 9th - Baron P. Hill, IN  
 Massachusetts 7th - Edward J. Markey, MA
 Michigan 1st - Bart Stupak, MI   
 Michigan 6th - Fred Upton, MI
 Michigan 15th - John D. Dingell, MI
 Mississippi 3rd - Charles W. Chip Pickering, MS
 Nebraska 2nd - Lee Terry, NE
 New Jersey 6th - Frank Pallone, Jr., NJ
 New Jersey 7th - Mike Ferguson, NJ
 New Mexico 1st - Heather Wilson, NM
 New York 10th - Edolphus Towns, NY
 New York 13th - Vito Fossella, NY
 New York 17th - Eliot L. Engel, NY
 Oregon 2nd - Greg Walden, OR
 Pennsylvania 14th - Mike Doyle, PA   
 Tennessee 6th - Bart Gordon, TN  
 Texas 6th - Joe Barton, TX 
 Texas 9th - Gene Green, TX   
 Texas 20th - Charles A. Gonzalez, TX
 Virginia 9th - Rick Boucher, VA
 Wyoming (all over state) - Barbara Cubin, Wy
  
 
 * * *
 
 Frannie Wellings
 
 Associate Policy Director
 
 Free Press
 
 202.265.1490 x 21
 
 www.freepress.net
 
  
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:06 PM
 To: Frannie Wellings
 Subject: Re: Feb 22
 
 
   
 
 I'd also like to talk about where you have people who could contact
 their member of Congress - we might need to map it out, specifically
 with the members of the relevant committees. If I sent you a list of
 districts, do you think you might be able to match it up with good
 
 
 WISPA
   
 
 members?
  
 
 
 
 I would sure try. Please send me the districts and I will work to find 
 matches.
 Thanks,
 Scriv
 
 
 
   
 
 Best,
 
 F
 
 * * *
 
 Frannie Wellings
 
 Associate Policy Director
 
 Free Press
 
 202.265.1490 x 21
 
 www.freepress.net
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:10 PM
 To: Frannie Wellings
 Subject: Re: Feb 22
 
 My cell number is 618-237-2387. Please send me your number. I will plan
 
 
 
   
 
 on us meeting at 3 pm on the 22nd.
 Cheers!
 Scriv
 
 
 Frannie Wellings wrote:
 
  
 
 
 
 Sounds good. I'll check with Durbin's office and see if his staff has
 time that afternoon.
 
 Let's meet for coffee on the 22nd at 3pm if that works for you. If we
 have a meeting in the Senate, we could just meet over there.
 
 Best,
 
 F
 
 * * *
 
 Frannie Wellings
 
 Associate Policy Director
 
 Free Press
 
 202.265.1490 x 21
 
 www.freepress.net
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:14 PM
 To: Frannie Wellings
 Subject: Re: Feb 22
 
 I would like to do that. It would need to be in the afternoon if 
 possible. I have other commitments all morning and until after lunch.

 
   
 
 If
  
 
 
 
 you can arrange for a time for me to meet with them in the afternoon

 
   
 
 and
  
 
 
 
 you and I could be there together that would be great. Let me know.
 Thanks,
 Scriv
 
 
 Frannie Wellings wrote:
 
 
 

 
   
 
 Hey there,
 
 You're in town on the 22^nd right? Do you have time to a) get a cup
 
 
 of
   
 
   
 
  
 
 
 

 
   
 
 coffee with me and b) meet with Senator Durbin's staff? I can set it 
 up if you let me know. I might be out of town on the 23^rd , so I 
 thought I'd check with you now.
 
 Best,
 
 F
 
 * * *
 
 Frannie Wellings
 
 Associate Policy Director
 
 Free Press
 
 202.265.1490 x 21
 
 

Was: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list : Now: WOW Way to put foot into mouth!

2007-02-15 Thread David Peterson
I have lurked for some time now, but feel the need to address an alarming
trend on this list.  There are Industry Leaders putting facts out there
with out fully examining the truth.  Before you flame me, please read all
that is below my signature as proof to my comments...

Steve, dude... I figure these are advertisers to your blog/newsletter and as
such should have come with a disclaimer.  Your claim of  Please note that
I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified. is patently
untrue as you will notice below.  I have added my comments on the vendors I
know personally.  You have placed yourself as an industry leader for some
time now.  I would have expected that you would not adopt a don't ask,
don't tell mentality to your claim of knowing something.  I only say this
as it only took some personal knowledge of the industry and one hour of my
time to discover the flaws in your claim.

Patrick, as an Industry Leader, I would expect that you would not just
accept anything as fact without researching the claim first.  There are a
lot of people who accept what you say as fact.

While this information is not 100% accurate as the FCC has a lot of work
submitted to them every day. I am merely suggesting that the statements of
the Industry Leaders should be viewed with the traditional skepticism that
should accompany statements from a vendor/vendor-subsidized source.

Don't forget to read below the __ line.  I have pasted my search results
from www.fcc.gov site.

David Peterson
Formerly of Ultramesh Inc.
(a repackaging manufacturer of LocustWorld mesh software + Senao + PCEngines
motherboards)

-
Read below : all information is freely available at www.fcc.gov in the OET
search page.
-

Aruba Networks

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Aruba Networks

Avantry

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Avantry

Cambridge Broadband

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Cambridge Broadband

CarrierComm

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: CarrierComm

CoCo Communications (WISP cum manufacturer)

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: CoCo Communications

Deliberant

I only list them as they only have recently started to reclassify RTL-8186
wireless OEM modules.   They have sold many radios illegal as this list
has classified them. If you look at their recent certs you will find that
they do not manufacture radios but have re-certified them in order to please
forums such as this.   They have been a homebrewer turned
integrator/assembly house since they started.

See if their certs match their output power:

From fcc.gov
-
FCC IDENTIFIER:   UB8-DLB7000

Name of Grantee:  Deliberant LLC

Equipment Class: Part 15 Spread Spectrum Transmitter
Notes: DIGITAL TRANSMISSION SYSTEM
Grant Notes  FCC Rule Parts Frequency
Range (MHZ) Output
Watts Frequency
Tolerance Emission
Designator
20 28 36 15C 2412.0  -  2462.0 0.09441
20 28 36 15C 5745.0  -  5825.0 0.06109
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From Deliberant

---
DLB7023 802.11a + g 23dBi Integrated Dual Radio
Sku: DLB7023
The DLB7023 802.11a + g 23dBi Dual Radio features an 802.11a interface with
23dBi antenna as well as an 802.11b/g interface that operate simultaneously.
 
This hardware configuration, along with extremely flexible software
configuration options, make the DLB7023 one of the most versatile platforms
on the market today. Each interface can be an AP, Client, or WDS bridge,
which results in the perfect outdoor radio for remote repeaters, apartment
communities, and dual-band APs and CPEs.
--
 
(Could be wrong, let me know if 0.06109 EIRP  = the above specs...)

EION Wireless 

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: EION Wireless

GIL Technology

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: GIL Technology

Qorvus (they only repackage LocustWorld based software with CM9/Ubiquiti and
200mW Senao cards)

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Qorvus

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On 2/15/07 10:17 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve, here are a few off my head that are not there...Freewave, MDS,
 Lightpointe is with an e on the end, Wave Wireless (formerly
 Waverider, etc.), ZTE (ZiMAX), Huwaie, Acton Wireless Broadband (AWB),
 is Cirronet still around?, Qualcomm (with their MediaFLO), Arraycom,
 Terabeam actually dba's as Proxim.
 
 P.S. - thanks for 

Re: [WISPA] Attention: Form 445 Information

2007-02-15 Thread Matt

We are a member of WISPA and Part-15 and followed through with the
part-15 filing directions before you even offered this.  Can we change
to yours later if we like? ;)

Matt


Below are the companies which are to be included in the revised 445
filing. If your company should have been listed here and is not then
please email john at scrivner.com right away. This is available only to
paid WISPA Principal Members. New members need to make sure payments for
membership are received prior to 2 pm Central time tomorrow (Friday)
Payments can be made immediately by sending via Paypal to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The revised Form 445 will be filed Friday afternoon.
Scriv

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Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Dylan Oliver

Hi Matt,

Meru Networks Radio Switch takes up to 4 Wi-Fi cards - 2 b/g, and 2 a. It is
controller-based, but the controller could be on a separate network. There
is full support for multiple ESSIDs and heavy optimization for voice.

You might have heard of Meru in Network Computing's recent article pitting
Meru against Cisco. Meru won quite handily in throughput and calls/radio.

I've encouraged them to develop an outdoor version, but it's yet to arrive.

Best,
--
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC
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RE: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list: Now: WOW Way to put foot into mouth!

2007-02-15 Thread Mac Dearman
That is some fine - fast research and dead on 

Thanks,

Mac Dearman

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Peterson
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Was: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list:
Now: WOW Way to put foot into mouth!

I have lurked for some time now, but feel the need to address an alarming
trend on this list.  There are Industry Leaders putting facts out there
with out fully examining the truth.  Before you flame me, please read all
that is below my signature as proof to my comments...

Steve, dude... I figure these are advertisers to your blog/newsletter and as
such should have come with a disclaimer.  Your claim of  Please note that
I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified. is patently
untrue as you will notice below.  I have added my comments on the vendors I
know personally.  You have placed yourself as an industry leader for some
time now.  I would have expected that you would not adopt a don't ask,
don't tell mentality to your claim of knowing something.  I only say this
as it only took some personal knowledge of the industry and one hour of my
time to discover the flaws in your claim.

Patrick, as an Industry Leader, I would expect that you would not just
accept anything as fact without researching the claim first.  There are a
lot of people who accept what you say as fact.

While this information is not 100% accurate as the FCC has a lot of work
submitted to them every day. I am merely suggesting that the statements of
the Industry Leaders should be viewed with the traditional skepticism that
should accompany statements from a vendor/vendor-subsidized source.

Don't forget to read below the __ line.  I have pasted my search results
from www.fcc.gov site.

David Peterson
Formerly of Ultramesh Inc.
(a repackaging manufacturer of LocustWorld mesh software + Senao + PCEngines
motherboards)

-
Read below : all information is freely available at www.fcc.gov in the OET
search page.
-

Aruba Networks

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Aruba Networks

Avantry

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Avantry

Cambridge Broadband

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Cambridge Broadband

CarrierComm

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: CarrierComm

CoCo Communications (WISP cum manufacturer)

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: CoCo Communications

Deliberant

I only list them as they only have recently started to reclassify RTL-8186
wireless OEM modules.   They have sold many radios illegal as this list
has classified them. If you look at their recent certs you will find that
they do not manufacture radios but have re-certified them in order to please
forums such as this.   They have been a homebrewer turned
integrator/assembly house since they started.

See if their certs match their output power:

From fcc.gov
-
FCC IDENTIFIER:   UB8-DLB7000

Name of Grantee:  Deliberant LLC

Equipment Class: Part 15 Spread Spectrum Transmitter
Notes: DIGITAL TRANSMISSION SYSTEM
Grant Notes  FCC Rule Parts Frequency
Range (MHZ) Output
Watts Frequency
Tolerance Emission
Designator
20 28 36 15C 2412.0  -  2462.0 0.09441
20 28 36 15C 5745.0  -  5825.0 0.06109
---

From Deliberant

---
DLB7023 802.11a + g 23dBi Integrated Dual Radio
Sku: DLB7023
The DLB7023 802.11a + g 23dBi Dual Radio features an 802.11a interface with
23dBi antenna as well as an 802.11b/g interface that operate simultaneously.
 
This hardware configuration, along with extremely flexible software
configuration options, make the DLB7023 one of the most versatile platforms
on the market today. Each interface can be an AP, Client, or WDS bridge,
which results in the perfect outdoor radio for remote repeaters, apartment
communities, and dual-band APs and CPEs.
--
 
(Could be wrong, let me know if 0.06109 EIRP  = the above specs...)

EION Wireless 

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: EION Wireless

GIL Technology

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: GIL Technology

Qorvus (they only repackage LocustWorld based software with CM9/Ubiquiti and
200mW Senao cards)

 There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
Applicant Name: Qorvus

---

On 2/15/07 10:17 PM, Patrick Leary 

RE: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations

2007-02-15 Thread Mac Dearman
 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
  SNIP
FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from.  
 WiFi has basically 2 these days.


Last account I had was that FHSS had 75 channels and I could have sworn last
time I looked we still had 3 non over lapping channels in 802.11b DSSS.

Mac

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RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

2007-02-15 Thread Patrick Leary
Damn Mac, I really can't understand what you are trying to say. Are you
saying that some day illegal vendors may be legal? And you point is
what? That I'll go, Oh no! Now they're legal, what shall I do? Well
good for them; I'll welcome them into the business. And then we can
compete on the level playing field and I'm all for it -- win or lose.
Think about it Mac, do you really think I'm somebody that's afraid to
compete?
 
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list

So Steve - who does that mean you leave out? (I can only think of two
MAJOR
players)

You ask this on a list that where there are probably only 3 members who
run
100% stickered radios? SHAME! 


 I realize that this will probably stir the stink, but get REAL! Post
your
list openly - Patrick you can roll in the sunshine for a day, but I will
tell you what - -- the day is short and the time is near to where some
of
the guys whose gear is getting black listed and put to an open shame
today
in your posts is nearing an end. Then will be our (illegal SOB's today))
time to gloat and bask in the sun like a pig in a long, fat, deep, cool
wallow. Then what? 


Mac Dearman



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Stroh
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Wireless Internet Access Vendors list


I've posted my most recent update to my Broadband Wireless Internet  
Access Vendors list at http://www.bwiavendors.com/2007/02/ 
bwia_vendors_up_1.html

This update lists 85 unique vendors, and while that's a lot, I know  
there's more. If you could take a look at it and tell me of any  
vendors that I missed, I would appreciate it.

Please reply OFF-LIST; I don't want to clutter the list.

Please note that I'm deliberately not listing vendors who only sell  
sub-systems such as antennas, radio cards, etc. - only full-blown  
radio systems suitable for outdoor use. An additional caveat is that  
I won't knowingly list systems that are not FCC certified.

Thanks for any help you can offer to make this a better, more  
complete list.


Thanks,

Steve


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Steve Stroh
425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com




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