RE: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segmentinIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
The problem (or maybe our upper edge) compared to cellular at its present stance is almost all cellular data has a limit on their data transfer. All cellular carriers I have checked with have this limit embedded in their TOS. What we need to watch out for is the fact that the FCC tends to give Cellular anything they ask for, i.e. they can enter into a rural cooperative town that the telecommunications act of 1996 forbids of big telecommunications carriers because of the Rural Exemption part of that act. Believe me, I know the cooperative part, I live in TN, where 90% of the telcos are coops and are exempt from alot of rules until the FCC revamps them! -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:33 -0500 Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore. etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the
Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segmentinIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
I believe almost all of the cellular players now have "unlimited" packages for their data service. Some are more expensive than others, but an unlimited package can be purchased for a price. Personally, I am not interested in competing in the mobile wireless arena. I agree that cellular has (or will have) that market wrapped up. We are a fixed wireless company that competes with cable and DSL. We reach into areas they don't, and we pick up the customers that absolutely hate them... which grows daily. :) Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: The problem (or maybe our upper edge) compared to cellular at its present stance is almost all cellular data has a limit on their data transfer. All cellular carriers I have checked with have this limit embedded in their TOS. What we need to watch out for is the fact that the FCC tends to give Cellular anything they ask for, i.e. they can enter into a rural cooperative town that the telecommunications act of 1996 forbids of big telecommunications carriers because of the Rural Exemption part of that act. Believe me, I know the cooperative part, I live in TN, where 90% of the telcos are coops and are exempt from alot of rules until the FCC revamps them! -- Original Message -- From: "Brad Belton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:33 -0500 Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? "I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore." etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was "terribly slow"... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wasps
Butch, OK; I guess I owe you for the new keyboard. Are you coming to ISPCON? If so, I could fork over the $10.00 for the new keyboard. jack Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Jack Unger wrote: I think the cause might be global swarming... Thanks, Jack. I have to buy a new keyboard because I just spit my coffee into my old one. ROFL. -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] One Ring Networks Signs Long Term Lease for Metro Dark Fiber From AGL Networks in Atlanta
ATLANTA, GA--(MARKET WIRE)--Sep 24, 2007 -- One Ring Networks, an alternative network carrier, today announced an agreement with AGL Networks, an AGL Resources subsidiary, to utilize capacity on AGL Networks' dark fiber network allowing One Ring to expand its fiber footprint in the metro area. Under the multi-year contract, AGL Networks will grant One Ring indefeasible rights of use (IRUs) on its system. The agreement ensures that One Ring's broadband network can be fully upgraded to deliver new and enhanced services to its customers, carrying multiple wavelengths, each capable of 10 Gigabits per second. This agreement with AGL Networks will further enhance our ability to deliver new and innovative services to our customers, said Matt Liotta, CEO of One Ring Networks. Businesses across metro Atlanta are increasingly discovering the need for truly diverse and redundant telecommunication services. Through this agreement, One Ring can deliver these services today. About One Ring Networks One Ring Networks operates one of the largest hybrid fiber-fixed wireless networks in the United States and is one of the few carriers offering end-to-end telecommunications and networking services without relying on other companies' networks. Over its next generation network, One Ring offers high-speed data services, feature-rich IP phone services, IP telephony infrastructure, integration and management, and network monitoring and management. For more information, visit the One Ring website at www.oneringnetworks.com. About AGL Networks AGL Networks, a wholly owned subsidiary of AGL Resources (NYSE:ATG - News), owns, designs, constructs, manages and operates fiber optic networks and provides last mile connectivity between telecommunications service providers and business customers in Atlanta and Phoenix. For more information, visit www.aglnetworks.com. About AGL Resources AGL Resources (NYSE:ATG - News), an Atlanta-based energy services company, serves more than 2.2 million customers in six states. The company also owns Houston-based Sequent Energy Management, an asset manager serving natural gas wholesale customers throughout the nation. As a 70 percent owner in the SouthStar partnership, AGL Resources markets natural gas to consumers in Georgia under the Georgia Natural Gas brand. The company also owns and operates Jefferson Island Storage Hub, a high-deliverability natural gas storage facility near the Henry Hub in Louisiana. For more information, visit www.aglresources.com. Contact: For Press Inquiries, please contact: Suzanne Urash CRE8 Group, Inc. 813-649-8504 Email Contact Source: One Ring Networks ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] looking for contract installers in the St. Louis area
We have several PtP backhauls that we need installed in the St. Louis area along with supporting network gear. These installs are all on roofs and will require pulling cable through the buildings' riser system. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
If anyone wants to come say hi to a lurker, look for me in a light blue Hutton Communications shirt.-drew Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going? From: "Jason Bunyea" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, September 24, 2007 7:50 am To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be there... Not sure what day i'm going. On 9/22/07, Gino Villarini gav@aeronetpr.com wrote: Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini gav@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
Yep. I will be there -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going? Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
I'll be there... Not sure what day i'm going. On 9/22/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Outstanding Operator Nomination
The WISPA Board has decided to award an Annual WISPA Outstanding Wireless Operator Award at the fall ISPCON. We are now accepting nominations for this years award. Please submit your nominees to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] by 5 pm Tuesday. Include a brief description why you think your nominee is deserving of this award. We will also be awarding an Outstanding WISPA Contributor Award. This award will be given to a principal or associate member or vendor, who has helped WISPA in some form during the past 12 months. Nominations for this award are also open and due Tuesday. Respectfully, Rick Harnish No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 8:48 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls
Maybe something like this would work for you. It's not moved in years now... http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls List, I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is included in the box. Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to the existing one? Patrick Shoemaker ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service
Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their up to 2meg service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load. :( Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Kinda funny.the video says it delivered perfect service in the park while only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over several seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com yourself. It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing broadband services. My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service that only works in a couple cities? Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years ago before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was quickly overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make mobile Internet work. Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! Best, Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Patrick, DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically they are not a start-up as they purchased an existing business and license. They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game for the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full intent to sell it off. And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the I can model... having started a WISP in 1997 from scratch (no outside investors, no outside money) and now with over 4,000 subs in the air, over 500 DSL customers, fiber customers, dedicated p2p customers, etc. I think I understand how it works. We started building our own DOS based routers with WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards back in 1997, when there was NOTHING on the market that was cost effective to make this business model work. The dot-bomb crash had ZERO affect on our business and we continue to grow every year. My point to the original email was you can't just stick an AP in the air and think you are going to do truckless installs with roaming clients like the video clip pictured. With millions of dollars, yes it can be done... but not otherwise. Travis Microserv Patrick Leary wrote: DBC uses 2.5 GHz. They did not exist as an operator one year ago. They are a start-up that raised money. Nothing prevents WISPs from doing this sort of thing too Travis and I know a few WISPs who are in fact doing this very thing. Travis, anyone can provide tons of reasons why something can't be done, but someone always comes along who says I can and they do. It is that group of people who dare who become the next set of millionaires. As for the model, the DBC guys are pros who have been around the block. They deployed several thousand unlicensed CPEs a few years back in another company. It is not like they are just winging it. And in any event, chances are a guy like this gets bought out a few years from now for a good-sized multiple of the original investment. Also, WISPs need to understand that the financial world considers licensed band leases as assets, not expenses. Why do you think a company like Clearwire that is losing money hand over fist has a $3.5B valuation? It is because of the value of their licensed holdings primarily. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Everyone should realize this is a licensed frequency (2.3ghz?) and that the base stations are very expensive. So, if you have a few
RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service
Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes.Nope. Nashville? Yes.Nope. Boston? Yes.Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes.YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their up to 2meg service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load. :( Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Kinda funny.the video says it delivered perfect service in the park while only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over several seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com yourself. It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing broadband services. My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service that only works in a couple cities? Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years ago before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was quickly overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make mobile Internet work. Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! Best, Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Patrick, DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically they are not a start-up as they purchased an existing business and license. They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game for the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full intent to sell it off. And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the I can model... having started a WISP in 1997 from scratch (no outside investors, no outside money) and now with over 4,000 subs in the air, over 500 DSL customers, fiber customers, dedicated p2p customers, etc. I think I understand how it works. We started building our own DOS based routers with WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards back in 1997, when there was NOTHING on the market that was cost effective to make this business model work. The dot-bomb crash had ZERO affect on our business and we continue to grow every year. My point to the original email was you can't just stick an AP in the air and think you are going to do truckless installs with roaming clients like the video clip pictured. With millions of dollars, yes it can be done... but not otherwise. Travis Microserv Patrick Leary wrote: DBC uses 2.5 GHz. They did not exist as an operator one year ago. They are a start-up that raised money. Nothing prevents WISPs from doing this sort of thing too Travis and I know a few WISPs who are in fact doing this very thing. Travis, anyone can provide tons of reasons why something can't be done, but someone always comes along who says I can and they do. It is that group of people who dare who become the next set of millionaires.
Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service
I would agree... the cell phone companies will dominate the roaming market. The only advantage right now in Rexburg is the limited speeds provided by the cell companies... they are probably closer to 150kbps, and are more expensive (around $50-$60/month for unlimited). BridgeMAXX is at $39.95 for "up to 2meg"... which is really 300kbps. It will be interesting to see how things play out. We had one business customer switch from us to them, and then call back a week later to switch back. :) For me, it's like VoIP at home. I have a solid 10Mbps connection at home with 4-5ms latency to our fiber backbone, but I absolutely HATE talking on a VoIP line (at any location from any provider). I could save $10/month by switching from Qwest to VoIP. Is it worth $10/month to possibly not have a phone when the power goes out? How about a wind storm moves the antenna? How about 911 issues? How about crap voice quality? Bottom line, as always, you get what you pay for... :) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes. Nope. Nashville? Yes. Nope. Boston? Yes. Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes. YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their "up to 2meg" service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load. :( Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Kinda funny.the video says it delivered "perfect service" in the park while only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over several seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com yourself. It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing "broadband" services. My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service that only works in a couple cities? Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years ago before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was quickly overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make mobile Internet work. Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! Best, Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Patrick, DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically they are not a "start-up" as they purchased an existing business and license. They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game for the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full intent to sell it off. And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the "I can" model... having started a WISP in 1997 from scratch (no outside investors, no outside money) and now with over 4,000 subs in the air, over 500 DSL customers, fiber
[WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2
This is a relatively new product. I've talked to several of my usual distributors and they all said that they ordered 1000+ units and they all sold out withing a few weeks, and now there's a backorder until mid-to-late October. I'm interested in this unit. Anyone using them? Anyone sell me a unit to test? Thanks. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Colubris (Campus) Opinions ?
Has anyone deployed Colubris equipment in a campus-wide (indoor-outdoor) Wi-Fi environment? If so, would you care to share any impressions that you gained? Thanks, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colubris (Campus) Opinions ?
I keep asking Dave Wilson to send me a unit to try out. He's not come through for me yet though. It sounds like good gear. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Colubris (Campus) Opinions ? Has anyone deployed Colubris equipment in a campus-wide (indoor-outdoor) Wi-Fi environment? If so, would you care to share any impressions that you gained? Thanks, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls
I'd got the Pipe to Pipe Clamp route. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls Maybe something like this would work for you. It's not moved in years now... http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls List, I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is included in the box. Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to the existing one? Patrick Shoemaker ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service
I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes.Nope. Nashville? Yes.Nope. Boston? Yes.Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes.YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their up to 2meg service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load. :( Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Kinda funny.the video says it delivered perfect service in the park while only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over several seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com yourself. It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing broadband services. My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service that only works in a couple cities? Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years ago before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was quickly overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make mobile Internet work. Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! Best, Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Patrick, DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically they are not a start-up as they purchased an existing business and license. They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game for the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full intent to sell it off. And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the I can model... having started a
RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls
IIRC, the The Orthogon Bracket has openings for pipe clamps ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls I'd got the Pipe to Pipe Clamp route. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls Maybe something like this would work for you. It's not moved in years now... http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls List, I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is included in the box. Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to the existing one? Patrick Shoemaker ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes. Nope. Nashville? Yes. Nope. Boston? Yes. Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes. YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news
RE: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore. etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50
