Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Brad Belton 
Just a suggestion, but I would cross reference your cable loss settings with
the manual's guidelines.  

Your flaky behavior could be due to the ODU being overdriven or starved for
power.  Then again if you've already had Trango looking into this I'm sure
they have already thought to double check your cable loss settings.

Best,


Brad



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Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

I wish we could say the same about the Trango.  So far nothing but flaky 
behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels.
But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not 
configuring properly.  Not going to count it out until the factory guys have

had a chance to exhaust their remedies.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link


> The Trango is solid as a rock, also.
> Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 
> antenna
> and radio per side, under 300mbps.
> I was nothing but impressed with our units.
>
> Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all 
> the
> freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and
> ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity.  But 
> there
> is a price to that.  If those feature aren't needed?
>
> Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining
> several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are 
> fantastic.
> Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only 
> negative
> I found was no adaptive modulation)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>
>
>> Matt
>>
>> I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24  months.  1
>> outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand
>> the next day from Canada.
>>
>> Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU.
>> ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget.
>>
>> I have no experience with the trango.
>>
>> Bob
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10
>> To:"WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>>
>>
>> I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock 
>> solid.
>> Never a problem.  Have several systems.
>> We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not
>> running well at all.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>>
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
>>> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
>>> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
>>> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
>>> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>>>
>>> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
>>> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
 currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
 and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
 towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
 planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to 
 be
 able to maintain 100meg speeds.

 I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
 this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
 like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
 $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me 
 off-list
 about this one.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com






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Re: [WISPA] Equipment liquidation

2008-01-15 Thread Sam Tetherow 
How used is the partridge?

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Cliff - Home wrote:
> And I have:
>
> A Partridge in a Pear Tree ... :)
>
> left over from Christmas of course.
>
>
> On 1/15/08 3:58 PM, "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I have roughly about 20 Cisco 1310 radios to clear
>> out. I need to get $300.00 ea. Or $275.00 ea in lots
>> of 5.
>>
>> Also have 1 RB532 routerboard with the case. It was
>> used for about 4 monthes. Parting with for $160.00. I
>> will pay shipping cost if sent to the lower 48.
>> --- Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote:
>>>
>>> I still have some of this spare gear left.  Here is
>>> the current 
>>> list:
>>>
>>> QTY DescriptionRetail Price
>>> 10 RB153/2 WLM54AG/Indoor Case/antenna $245.00
>>> $183.75
>>> 2 RB153/1WLM54AG/WLM54G/Case/antenna $239.00 $179.25
>>> 1 RB153/1WLM54AG/Case/antenna  $186.00 $139.50
>>> 1 RB153/2 CM9/Case/Antenna  $251.00 $188.25
>>> 2 NL-2511 MP Plus minipci$54.95  $45.00
>>> 1 WLM54AG 2.4GHzb/g (brand new)   $41.00  $38.00
>>> 5 NL-2511CD Plus EXT2 Mercury - pcmcia  $79.00 
>>> $60.00
>>>
>>>
>>> The RB153 should still be under warranty, but I am
>>> checking to see 
>>> for certain. The Routerboard cases are in pretty
>>> good shape (some of
>>> them are absolutely brand new). Most of this gear
>>> has not been used
>>> much at all.  Prices are "each". I will sell these
>>> at a small 
>>> discount if you buy a large qty.  The retail price
>>> is an average of
>>> 3 vendors where I could find prices for the specific
>>> gear.  I am not 
>>> selling power supplies for the routerboards.
>>> (Shipping is not
>>> included)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Butch Evans
>>> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
>>> 573-276-2879
>>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>>> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
>>> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Chuck McCown - 2 
I wish we could say the same about the Trango.  So far nothing but flaky 
behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels.
But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not 
configuring properly.  Not going to count it out until the factory guys have 
had a chance to exhaust their remedies.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link


> The Trango is solid as a rock, also.
> Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 
> antenna
> and radio per side, under 300mbps.
> I was nothing but impressed with our units.
>
> Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all 
> the
> freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and
> ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity.  But 
> there
> is a price to that.  If those feature aren't needed?
>
> Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining
> several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are 
> fantastic.
> Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only 
> negative
> I found was no adaptive modulation)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>
>
>> Matt
>>
>> I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24  months.  1
>> outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand
>> the next day from Canada.
>>
>> Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU.
>> ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget.
>>
>> I have no experience with the trango.
>>
>> Bob
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10
>> To:"WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>>
>>
>> I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock 
>> solid.
>> Never a problem.  Have several systems.
>> We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not
>> running well at all.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>>
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
>>> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
>>> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
>>> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
>>> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>>>
>>> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
>>> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
 currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
 and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
 towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
 planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to 
 be
 able to maintain 100meg speeds.

 I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
 this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
 like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
 $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me 
 off-list
 about this one.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Tom DeReggi 
The Trango is solid as a rock, also.
Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna 
and radio per side, under 300mbps.
I was nothing but impressed with our units.

Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the 
freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and 
ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity.  But there 
is a price to that.  If those feature aren't needed?

Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining 
several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. 
Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative 
I found was no adaptive modulation)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link


> Matt
>
> I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24  months.  1 
> outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand 
> the next day from Canada.
>
> Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. 
> ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget.
>
> I have no experience with the trango.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10
> To:"WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>
>
> I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock solid.
> Never a problem.  Have several systems.
> We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not
> running well at all.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
>
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
>> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
>> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
>> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
>> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>>
>> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
>> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
>>> currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
>>> and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
>>> towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
>>> 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
>>> planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be
>>> able to maintain 100meg speeds.
>>>
>>> I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
>>> this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
>>> like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
>>> $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list
>>> about this one.
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen
>>> vistabeam.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings

2008-01-15 Thread Tom DeReggi 
The cost is chump change, if it does what one needs it to do.

I've had the luxury recently of being reminded what it cost me when I leave 
my typical executuve duties to do accounting, and what it cost me in salary 
when I learned it was more cost effective for the book keeper to come back, 
and justify the salary. (In this case my wife, I should say doing without 
the salary to have her back).
And billing is just one small component and time loss, then there is all the 
technical stuff, and bandwdith management, and management and documentation 
of multiple sites of a large network.

The issue is whether the product will do what is says it will do. Or does 
what the buyer needs it to do. When it does, its priceless. The problem is 
that most products don't do what the buyer is expecting.  I can't count how 
many accounting, provisioning, and CRM packages we either looked at or 
bought, but at the end of the day still ended up using quickbooks and 
notepad in Windows. None of them have ever managed to deliver what we need.

The problem with billing/provisioning solutions is they have to fit into the 
way you do business. If there is jsut one core conflict with the way it 
operates and the way you need to operate, it could prevent its use.  Maybe 
I'm to harsh? The problem is there are to many definitions of a WISP. "WISP 
Billing" can mean so many different things. Often it the definition of a 
HotSpot billing, other times its automatic CC billing. But you might get the 
best full feature product in the world, and handles CC billing on !st of 
month awesomely, but if 70% of your billing is paper invoicing to businesses 
10 days in advance of the month, the software has to handle that to, or its 
worthless. Thats what we ran into with Logisense Engage IP, it was a 
fantastic package, but it was really designed for auto CC billing, not paper 
invoicing.

There is a reason there are probably 30-50+ ISP billing packages. Its not 
because everyone wants a pece of the market. Its because people needed a 
product just a little different to meet their vision, and before yuo know it 
it becomes a commercial product.

And CRM? A joke, everyone I see is jsut another cookie cutter replica of a 
standard contact manager like Goldmine, Act, or what ever.  Whats really 
needed is "Complete Relationship Management". The realtionship are much more 
complicated than just Customer to ISP.   Everyone that gets a peice of the 
action (cash) for something needs to get tracked, and there relationships to 
customers and resellers need to be tracked.

I'd say the same for bandwdith management. The missing link is to handle 
bandwdith mangement multiple levels deep, to consider all the hops downline 
and upline. The only way for that to happen is to have agents that run on 
other hardware that interact with a central system. Otherwise, its not 
bandwidth mangement, its DOS and Abuse management. DOS and Abuse management 
is a necessary capabilty, it can be in a form as simple as a rate limiter, 
at bit cap, a session limiter, or a P2P limiter or a full blown DOS 
prevention device..  But a true bandwdith manager is how to manage and 
control the legitimate traffic between your subscribers in the most fair way 
and efficient way to meet SLA and commitments. That on its own is a very 
comlicated task, as soon as you as MESH and Redundancy into the mix. The 
industry's need is so far past static configurations of last generation BW 
managers.

Its a problem, that needs a solution.

As for PowerCode, is it good? I don't have a comment, we have not evaluated 
it yet. (Maybe in the early months, but not recently)  But I'm sure we will 
at some point.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings


ouch!!!
...and we are still getting less than a dinner for 2 a month for unlimited
internet... this is sick gentlemen.  When will we see the light?

Ross

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From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings


Look at www.powercode.com.

It's pricy for WISPs, but you have to look at where you are in your business
and where you're going.  We bought in at the 750-customer level, and it was
$5800.  The bandwidth manager is an ImageStream router with their software
loaded on it (they're partnering).  There is a charge per month for software
maintenance (I think we're paying like $150 per month) and if you want tech
support there's a per-incident charge or a monthly support package for
another $150.

This software, along with the BMU, should allow us to manage remote pops as
well (disconnected from our main network).  Even in other towns, or smaller
WISPs that we purchase or partner with.  With this, we should be able to
pr

Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr 
A DragonWave 18Ghz or Ceragon 18Ghz should do that just fine, BridgeWave
80Ghz may even be a solution.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wireless Network Engineer
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax

 
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

Hi all,

I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am 
currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers 
and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the 
towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 
2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm 
planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be 
able to maintain 100meg speeds.

I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for 
this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd 
like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a  
$12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list 
about this one.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
 




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Re: [WISPA] Equipment liquidation

2008-01-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher 




How much?  I need one for next year.

Cliff - Home wrote:

  And I have:

A Partridge in a Pear Tree ... :)

left over from Christmas of course.


On 1/15/08 3:58 PM, "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
I have roughly about 20 Cisco 1310 radios to clear
out. I need to get $300.00 ea. Or $275.00 ea in lots
of 5.

Also have 1 RB532 routerboard with the case. It was
used for about 4 monthes. Parting with for $160.00. I
will pay shipping cost if sent to the lower 48.
--- Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote:

I still have some of this spare gear left.  Here is
the current 
list:

QTY DescriptionRetail Price
10 RB153/2 WLM54AG/Indoor Case/antenna $245.00
$183.75
2 RB153/1WLM54AG/WLM54G/Case/antenna $239.00 $179.25
1 RB153/1WLM54AG/Case/antenna  $186.00 $139.50
1 RB153/2 CM9/Case/Antenna  $251.00 $188.25
2 NL-2511 MP Plus minipci$54.95  $45.00
1 WLM54AG 2.4GHzb/g (brand new)   $41.00  $38.00
5 NL-2511CD Plus EXT2 Mercury - pcmcia  $79.00 
$60.00


The RB153 should still be under warranty, but I am
checking to see 
for certain. The Routerboard cases are in pretty
good shape (some of
them are absolutely brand new). Most of this gear
has not been used
much at all.  Prices are "each". I will sell these
at a small 
discount if you buy a large qty.  The retail price
is an average of
3 vendors where I could find prices for the specific
gear.  I am not 
selling power supplies for the routerboards.
(Shipping is not
included)

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Re: [WISPA] Equipment liquidation

2008-01-15 Thread Cliff - Home 
And I have:

A Partridge in a Pear Tree ... :)

left over from Christmas of course.


On 1/15/08 3:58 PM, "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have roughly about 20 Cisco 1310 radios to clear
> out. I need to get $300.00 ea. Or $275.00 ea in lots
> of 5.
> 
> Also have 1 RB532 routerboard with the case. It was
> used for about 4 monthes. Parting with for $160.00. I
> will pay shipping cost if sent to the lower 48.
> --- Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote:
>> 
>> I still have some of this spare gear left.  Here is
>> the current 
>> list:
>> 
>> QTY DescriptionRetail Price
>> 10 RB153/2 WLM54AG/Indoor Case/antenna $245.00
>> $183.75
>> 2 RB153/1WLM54AG/WLM54G/Case/antenna $239.00 $179.25
>> 1 RB153/1WLM54AG/Case/antenna  $186.00 $139.50
>> 1 RB153/2 CM9/Case/Antenna  $251.00 $188.25
>> 2 NL-2511 MP Plus minipci$54.95  $45.00
>> 1 WLM54AG 2.4GHzb/g (brand new)   $41.00  $38.00
>> 5 NL-2511CD Plus EXT2 Mercury - pcmcia  $79.00 
>> $60.00
>> 
>> 
>> The RB153 should still be under warranty, but I am
>> checking to see 
>> for certain. The Routerboard cases are in pretty
>> good shape (some of
>> them are absolutely brand new). Most of this gear
>> has not been used
>> much at all.  Prices are "each". I will sell these
>> at a small 
>> discount if you buy a large qty.  The retail price
>> is an average of
>> 3 vendors where I could find prices for the specific
>> gear.  I am not 
>> selling power supplies for the routerboards.
>> (Shipping is not
>> included)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Butch Evans
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>> 573-276-2879
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
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Re: [WISPA] Equipment liquidation

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Miller 
I have roughly about 20 Cisco 1310 radios to clear
out. I need to get $300.00 ea. Or $275.00 ea in lots
of 5.

Also have 1 RB532 routerboard with the case. It was
used for about 4 monthes. Parting with for $160.00. I
will pay shipping cost if sent to the lower 48.
--- Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote:
> 
> I still have some of this spare gear left.  Here is
> the current 
> list:
> 
> QTY   Description Retail  Price
> 10RB153/2 WLM54AG/Indoor Case/antenna $245.00
> $183.75
> 2 RB153/1WLM54AG/WLM54G/Case/antenna  $239.00 $179.25
> 1 RB153/1WLM54AG/Case/antenna $186.00 $139.50
> 1 RB153/2 CM9/Case/Antenna$251.00 $188.25
> 2 NL-2511 MP Plus minipci  $54.95  $45.00
> 1 WLM54AG 2.4GHzb/g (brand new)$41.00  $38.00
> 5 NL-2511CD Plus EXT2 Mercury - pcmcia $79.00 
> $60.00
> 
> 
> The RB153 should still be under warranty, but I am
> checking to see 
> for certain. The Routerboard cases are in pretty
> good shape (some of 
> them are absolutely brand new). Most of this gear
> has not been used 
> much at all.  Prices are "each". I will sell these
> at a small 
> discount if you buy a large qty.  The retail price
> is an average of 
> 3 vendors where I could find prices for the specific
> gear.  I am not 
> selling power supplies for the routerboards. 
> (Shipping is not 
> included)
> 
> -- 
> Butch Evans
> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
> 573-276-2879
> http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] CSR live chat?

2008-01-15 Thread Ugo Bellavance 
chris cooper wrote:
> Hi-
> 
>  
> 
> Is anybody using live chat as part of their customer support offering?
> If so, has it worked well?  What app has worked well?

I haven't but I've been using CSLH with success (crafty syntax live help).

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[WISPA] Equipment liquidation

2008-01-15 Thread Butch Evans 
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote:

I still have some of this spare gear left.  Here is the current 
list:

QTY Description Retail  Price
10  RB153/2 WLM54AG/Indoor Case/antenna $245.00 $183.75
2   RB153/1WLM54AG/WLM54G/Case/antenna  $239.00 $179.25
1   RB153/1WLM54AG/Case/antenna $186.00 $139.50
1   RB153/2 CM9/Case/Antenna$251.00 $188.25
2   NL-2511 MP Plus minipci  $54.95  $45.00
1   WLM54AG 2.4GHzb/g (brand new)$41.00  $38.00
5   NL-2511CD Plus EXT2 Mercury - pcmcia $79.00  $60.00


The RB153 should still be under warranty, but I am checking to see 
for certain. The Routerboard cases are in pretty good shape (some of 
them are absolutely brand new). Most of this gear has not been used 
much at all.  Prices are "each". I will sell these at a small 
discount if you buy a large qty.  The retail price is an average of 
3 vendors where I could find prices for the specific gear.  I am not 
selling power supplies for the routerboards.  (Shipping is not 
included)

-- 
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Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
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[WISPA] CSR live chat?

2008-01-15 Thread chris cooper 
Hi-

 

Is anybody using live chat as part of their customer support offering?
If so, has it worked well?  What app has worked well?

 

Thanks

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[WISPA] 5GHz WiMax

2008-01-15 Thread Mike Hammett 
Does anyone have any knowledge of anyone coming out with 5 GHz WiMax gear this 
year?


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Re: [WISPA] Random DNS issues?

2008-01-15 Thread Mark McElvy 
Tranzeo client, NAT routing to MT AP via PPPoe => MT OSPF Routing to
another tower, MT Routing to Tranzeo PtP bridge to office, MT border
router NAT to Internet.

Mark McElvy


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Random DNS issues?

Do you have NAT'ing on your AP's?  I've run into this sometimes with
hidden
NAT (masquerade).  Not sure why it would start all of a sudden for you
though.  Sounds like a possible IP conflict. 

 

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Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Random DNS issues?

Starting yesterday afternoon, random URL's will not resolve. And to
confuse
the issue further, if it does not resolve on AP4, it may resolve on AP3
or
at the border. 

I started my troubleshooting by changing my DNS entries to one outside
my
network and things started resolving. Then I put my DNS server addresses
back and sites were still resolving, mostly. I am still getting certain
addresses that will not resolve from at least on AP but will from the
border.

 

Any ideas?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)

2008-01-15 Thread Dylan Bouterse 
What "wireless stuff" has been added?

Dylan

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Platypus

I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add 
wireless stuff to it.

George




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> Hey guys,
> 
> I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database.  We had a 
> propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for
us. 
> This software stored data in an access database and primarily was
client 
> contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc...
> 
> What are you all using that might be a good transition for me...
> 
> Thanks in advance...
> 
> Ross Cornett
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone?
> 
> 
> I too would say the same.  Initially they did a good job, but soon
after
> they began to be in effective and variable.  We contacted them and got
very
> little satisfaction.  so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower.
like
> a 333... details will follow with our success or failure.  We have
> implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30
towers...
> 
> 
> Ross
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jake VanDewater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone?
> 
> 
> We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed.  It
did not
> perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use.  The
rate
> limits were not effectively enforced.
> 
> -Jake
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone?
>>
>> I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for
>> bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a
>> myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I
would
>> like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one
>> appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of
this
>> device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing
>> from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform.
>> All the best,
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread lakeland 
Matt

I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24  months.  1 outage the 
result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day 
from Canada. 

Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU 
architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget.

I have no experience with the trango.

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I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock solid. 
Never a problem.  Have several systems.
We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not 
running well at all.

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> Matt,
>
> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>
> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
>> currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
>> and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
>> towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
>> 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
>> planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be
>> able to maintain 100meg speeds.
>>
>> I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
>> this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
>> like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
>> $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list
>> about this one.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave.  DragonWave is rock solid. 
Never a problem.  Have several systems.
We are still trying to get the Trango to play.  Lots of signal but not 
running well at all.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link


> Matt,
>
> I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do
> 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do
> a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about
> $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU
> setup and you use LMR-400 between them.
>
> You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less
> than you are paying for your fiber. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am
>> currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers
>> and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the
>> towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is
>> 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm
>> planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be
>> able to maintain 100meg speeds.
>>
>> I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for
>> this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd
>> like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a
>> $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list
>> about this one.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Travis Johnson 
Matt,

I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do 
105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do 
a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about 
$5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU 
setup and you use LMR-400 between them.

You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less 
than you are paying for your fiber. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am 
> currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers 
> and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the 
> towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 
> 2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm 
> planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be 
> able to maintain 100meg speeds.
>
> I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for 
> this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd 
> like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a  
> $12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list 
> about this one.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>  
>
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[WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

2008-01-15 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists 
Hi all,

I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am 
currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers 
and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the 
towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 
2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm 
planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be 
able to maintain 100meg speeds.

I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for 
this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd 
like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a  
$12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list 
about this one.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
 



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Re: [WISPA] Random DNS issues?

2008-01-15 Thread Jason Hensley 
Do you have NAT'ing on your AP's?  I've run into this sometimes with hidden
NAT (masquerade).  Not sure why it would start all of a sudden for you
though.  Sounds like a possible IP conflict. 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Random DNS issues?

Starting yesterday afternoon, random URL's will not resolve. And to confuse
the issue further, if it does not resolve on AP4, it may resolve on AP3 or
at the border. 

I started my troubleshooting by changing my DNS entries to one outside my
network and things started resolving. Then I put my DNS server addresses
back and sites were still resolving, mostly. I am still getting certain
addresses that will not resolve from at least on AP but will from the
border.

 

Any ideas?

 

Mark McElvy



 





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[WISPA] Random DNS issues?

2008-01-15 Thread Mark McElvy 
Starting yesterday afternoon, random URL's will not resolve. And to
confuse the issue further, if it does not resolve on AP4, it may resolve
on AP3 or at the border. 

I started my troubleshooting by changing my DNS entries to one outside
my network and things started resolving. Then I put my DNS server
addresses back and sites were still resolving, mostly. I am still
getting certain addresses that will not resolve from at least on AP but
will from the border.

 

Any ideas?

 

Mark McElvy



 




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