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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves

And is there a 5ghz version available? 2.4 is pretty well hosed here
due to 2wire 400mw units. 10 miles out I can hear 30 to 50+ units over
5~10 min (these units are all 8+mi away). At the primary tower its
hundreds over 5~10 min. Now if only all those units would drop to ch
1, where a cellco has a T1 extender in place.



On 1/23/08, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  Who has them in stock?
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
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>  Gino Villarini wrote:
>  Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ...
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
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> Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board?
> What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
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>  It is
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> http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf
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> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
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> Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could
>
>  build
>
>
>  it
> into an antenna.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
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>  On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
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>  Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
> outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
> almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
> seems pretty unlikely. :(
>
>  There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It
> does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done
> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Tom DeReggi

But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in 
place networks.
WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my CPEs 
fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without changing 
the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new software. 
My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be legal, 
a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for 
pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain.  The
> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in
> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now
> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit
> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
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>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> Mac,
>>
>> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
>> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs,
>> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to
>> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty
>> unlikely. :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
>>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
>>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
>>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean 
>>> that
>>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) 
>>> together
>>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.
>>>
>>>  The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) 
>>> they
>>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of 
>>> antennas
>>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
>>> white sticker that seems so important!
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

 Mac Dearman wrote:

> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
>
 the list.

 [ snip ]

 Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
 the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."

 The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
 still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
 Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
 and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
 with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
 connected to?

 It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
 components to get customers online.

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 MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Travis Johnson





Who has them in stock?

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:

  Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... 

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board?
What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board?

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


  
  
It is

http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

  
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box?  I could

  
  build
  
  
it
into an antenna.
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!




  On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:

  
  
Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
seems pretty unlikely. :(

  
  There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It
does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done
for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.

-- 
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Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Mike Hammett

I haven't used them, but the power settings are manual.  They may have a 
high limit, but it is easily overridden.  I don't believe there is anything 
to prevent you from (illegally) putting 15 db into a 4' dish in lower 5 GHz.

Redline's manual filed with the FCC for their 3650 says if you use this 
antenna, don't enter more than this in the output power field...  or 
something to that effect.  Therefore, physically there's nothing preventing 
you from putting full power into the 20 db antenna, even though you're 
supposed to enter 0 or -1.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


> Those products don't automatically turn the power down when you select
> the 5.3ghz band? Trango does. The old CX-1's are restricted as well.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive? 
>> Redline's 3650 FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a 
>> larger antenna.  I believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz 
>> gear as well.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
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>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>   To: WISPA General List
>>   Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>>
>>
>>   Mac,
>>
>>   Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How 
>> are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, 
>> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to 
>> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. 
>> :(
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   Mac Dearman wrote:
>> David,
>>
>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean 
>> that
>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.
>>
>>  The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) 
>> they
>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of 
>> antennas
>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
>> white sticker that seems so important!
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>   -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
>>   the list.
>>
>> [ snip ]
>>
>> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
>> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."
>>
>> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
>> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
>> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
>> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
>> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
>> connected to?
>>
>> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
>> components to get customers online.
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Travis Johnson

Those products don't automatically turn the power down when you select 
the 5.3ghz band? Trango does. The old CX-1's are restricted as well.

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:
> How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive?  Redline's 
> 3650 FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a larger 
> antenna.  I believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz gear as 
> well.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Travis Johnson 
>   To: WISPA General List 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
>
>   Mac,
>
>   Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are 
> they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. 
> are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a 
> seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :(
>
>   Travis
>   Microserv
>
>   Mac Dearman wrote: 
> David,
>
>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.
>
>  The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
> white sticker that seems so important!
>
> Mac
>
>
>
>   -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
> Mac Dearman wrote:
> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
>   the list.
>
> [ snip ]
>
> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."
>
> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
> connected to?
>
> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
> components to get customers online.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Mike Hammett

How many other platforms are really that much more restrictive?  Redline's 3650 
FCC certified gear asks you to turn the power down with a larger antenna.  I 
believe its the same for Orthogon and Redline 5.4 GHz gear as well.


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


  Mac,

  Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are 
they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are 
all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT 
version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :(

  Travis
  Microserv

  Mac Dearman wrote: 
David,

   What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.

 The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
white sticker that seems so important!

Mac



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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

Mac Dearman wrote:
I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
  the list.

[ snip ]

Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."

The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
connected to?

It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
components to get customers online.

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MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Gino Villarini

Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM
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Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board?
What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board?

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM
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> It is
>
> http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
> Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box?  I could
build
> it
> into an antenna.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
>>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
>>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
>>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
>>>seems pretty unlikely. :(
>>
>> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It
>> does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done
>> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.
>>
>> -- 
>> Butch Evans
>> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
>> 573-276-2879
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
>> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Chuck McCown - 2

Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board?
What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board?

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


> It is
>
> http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
> Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box?  I could build
> it
> into an antenna.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
>>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
>>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
>>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
>>>seems pretty unlikely. :(
>>
>> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It
>> does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done
>> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.
>>
>> -- 
>> Butch Evans
>> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
>> 573-276-2879
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
>> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf
>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
>> http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Gino Villarini

It is

http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box?  I could build
it 
into an antenna.
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
>>seems pretty unlikely. :(
>
> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It
> does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done
> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.
>
> -- 
> Butch Evans
> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
> 573-276-2879
> http://www.butchevans.com/
> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Mac Dearman

   

 

  I can't answer that one Travis - other than to say that they managed
it somehow because their routerboard & operating system has absolutely
passed the test with many antennas. There may be a MikroTik Jeanie included
with the sticker.   Hehehe

 

I do know that I did see the test results of the 5.3 GHz /R52 radio and the
test results showed the reduced power in the graphs. I don't imagine it
would be too hard to leave out or disable "certain" abilities of their
functionality. It could be as easy as just not allowing those options to
show up in US models of their software that have FCC Certs. All units that
will be US FCC certified will come as a unit - -we will not be able to build
them ourselves. If we alter it after it has been certified by reloading the
OS - - we uncertified our own gear, but then - - if you alter RedLine or
Trango's gear it is no longer certified either.

 

This was just my $0.02 worth and in no way do I represent MikroTik or their
views/beliefs. The above was/is my own little pea brain and infantile
thoughts J

 

Mac

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

 

Mac,

Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are
they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc.
are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a
seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :(

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote: 

David,
 
   What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.
 
 The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
white sticker that seems so important!
 
Mac
 
 
 
  

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
 
Mac Dearman wrote:


I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
  

the list.
 
[ snip ]
 
Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."
 
The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
connected to?
 
It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
components to get customers online.
 
David Smith
MVN.net
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Chuck McCown

Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box?  I could build it 
into an antenna.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!


> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software.
>>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power
>>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are
>>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me
>>seems pretty unlikely. :(
>
> There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It
> does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done
> for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.
>
> -- 
> Butch Evans
> Network Engineering and Security Consulting
> 573-276-2879
> http://www.butchevans.com/
> My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6
> Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Sam Tetherow

I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain.  The 
only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in 
the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now 
taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit 
the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless



Travis Johnson wrote:
> Mac,
>
> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. 
> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, 
> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to 
> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty 
> unlikely. :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mac Dearman wrote:
>> David,
>>
>>What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
>> from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
>> certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
>> produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
>> if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
>> and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.
>>
>>  The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
>> used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
>> are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
>> white sticker that seems so important!
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
>>>
>>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>> 
 I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
   
>>> the list.
>>>
>>> [ snip ]
>>>
>>> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
>>> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."
>>>
>>> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
>>> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
>>> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
>>> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
>>> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
>>> connected to?
>>>
>>> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
>>> components to get customers online.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:

>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. 
>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power 
>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are 
>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me 
>seems pretty unlikely. :(

There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits.  It 
does not require a unique "version", per se.  This is what was done 
for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems.

-- 
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573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Travis Johnson





Mac,

Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How
are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs,
channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to
have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty
unlikely. :(

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:

  David,

   What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.

 The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
white sticker that seems so important!

Mac



  
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

Mac Dearman wrote:


  I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
  

the list.

[ snip ]

Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."

The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
connected to?

It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
components to get customers online.

David Smith
MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Mac Dearman

David,

   What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas
from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them
certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to
produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that
if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together
and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not.

 The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they
used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas
are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little
white sticker that seems so important!

Mac

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
> 
> Mac Dearman wrote:
> > I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with
> the list.
> 
> [ snip ]
> 
> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening
> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."
> 
> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification
> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what?
> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software
> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it
> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's
> connected to?
> 
> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of
> components to get customers online.
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
> 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread David E. Smith

Mac Dearman wrote:
> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list.

[ snip ]

Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening 
the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions."

The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification 
still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? 
Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software 
and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it 
with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's 
connected to?

It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of 
components to get customers online.

David Smith
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[WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!

2008-01-23 Thread Mac Dearman

I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list.
These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made
available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification.
John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications
covering more antennas & Routerboards in the very near future.

 

Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks
MikroTik!!

 

 

Model: R52

2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz

 

12 dBi Omni Directional OD24-

12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12

13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13

17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB

17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB

19 dBi Panel PA24-19

24 dBi Panel PA58-24

28 dBi Grid GD5W-28

24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ

32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P

 

 

 

 This is just one short list of gear that has been certified.  

 

 

Mac Dearman CEO

Maximum Access, LLC.

www.inetsouth.com  

Rayville, La.

318.728.8600

318.728.9600

318.728.8642

 




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Re: [WISPA] Warehouse wireless

2008-01-23 Thread Joe Miller

Zack,

I don't know if this will help you but I had the same
issue but on a larger scale in a shipyard. We had to
deploy a wifi system that people could use their bar
code readers and such. We did use the 1242 radios, but
instead of using alot of AP's, we used leaky coax.
This way we could direct where each AP would cover.
The 1242's are controled from a Cisco controler. It is
a little more expensive, but the end result is 100%
coverage where we want it. 

Just something to think about.

http://www.dslbyair.com

Joe
--- John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Zack, is there something *wrong* with your Cisco
> gear? If you already 
> have Cisco 123x or 124x access points, you can
> certainly look at reusing 
> them. Fixing this may be as simple as changing
> antennas and settings. I 
> wonder if someone set the channels to fixed? The
> radios can be set to 
> pick the best channel to deal with interference.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Zack Kneisley wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been tasked with putting up access points in
> a warehouse that is
> > approximately 40,000 sq ft. We already have a
> warehouse that is covered
> > using Cisco AP's (deployed before I was part of
> the company) with 5dbi
> > Omnis. The coverage or reliability in this
> location isn't very good, I
> > believe the cause of this is partially
> interference, partly placement and
> > configuration. This system is currently
> operational, just not optimal. I'll
> > deal with these issues when time permits, the new
> facility is my concern and
> > I would like to deploy this correctly. Both of
> these wireless systems are in
> > place for portable Symbol Handheld scanners for
> inventory management and
> > integration into our ERP application, reliability
> and connectivity is
> > obviously more important than throughput.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to find out what would be suggested
> in this deployment,
> > comments welcome.
> >
> > I don't think Cisco AP's are needed, I think a MT
> (or other platform) would
> > be sufficient. Comments?
> >
> > WDS configuration, for roaming of handhelds I
> would like to get some
> > suggestions on antenna types for this environment,
> I'm not quite sure how to
> > estimate the number of AP's that will be needed,
> assuming the facility is
> > rectangular with the above square foot area.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone with experience with this type of
> deployment?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Zack Kneisley
> >
> > Information Systems Manager
> >
> > Encore Industries, Inc.
> >
> > (740) 432-1652 x120
> >
> >
> >
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