Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas?

2008-08-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, use wireless! OK, other than that, there is a device that basically drills a horizontal hole in the ground. Or it'll push conduit through the ground. Out here it's called pushing a line. Not sure what the real term is for the device that does the drilling/pushing. laters, marlon

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Joe Miller
I believe one would call that a road bore, it requires a road boring machine. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, August 20,

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
a quick google search found a couple pics of a directional boring machine.

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Directional boring is pretty much all that is done in an urban area anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_boring -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread lakeland
Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen system to keep it dry. I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread lakeland
No not crazy and very educated on the matter. LMR over regular RG8 coax And LMR600 over 1/2 heliax. Use your words a little more careful Bob --Original Message-- From: Matt Jenkins To: Lakeland To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables Sent: Aug 19, 2008 11:45 PM

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread canopy
When Verizon FiOS was put into my neighborhood, they just used labor. They had 30 or so people on our street for a week digging everything up. From the right of way in front of the side walks, to the common area where the in -ground boxes were put, to the streets. The Comcast cable was run an

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread lakeland
Directional bore rig. You should be able to find a utility contractor who has one. Pricing here in NY is about $10 foot which icludes the bore and placement of 1 1/2 HDPE pipe. Gotta be cheaper by you but still a lot of money Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm using LMR-900 on a 130 foot run running 5.8Ghz just fine Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Blake Bowers
Ah, but I will make someone a killer deal on hangers, connectors, a dehydrator system, etc for eliptical! Pennies on the dollar! But I agree, I don't see it being used much by a WISP. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread chris cooper
You might be able to rent one of the pneumatic boring rigs at your local tool rental outlet. For shorter runs, you can also use a backhoe - Dig a trench on either side of the road/sidewalk and then use the hoe to push sections of rigid underneath the pavement. You just thread on another section

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have no choice. Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
130 feet on 5.8 through LMR 900 = serving about 20% of the area you could serve if the coax was not in place. I guess it depends on what folks call working. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Cat5e modular plugs

2008-08-20 Thread Randy Cosby
Apparently they do - haven't found any yet, but they seem to have a pretty good selection: http://tinyurl.com/632pxz Anyone ever play with their 2-pc keyed versions like http://www.belfuse.com/Data/UploadedFiles/MN370054.pdf Tom DeReggi wrote: Would like to mention that there is not a

Re: [WISPA] Cat5e modular plugs

2008-08-20 Thread Randy Cosby
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
I know the person who runs wlanparts.com. Great guy. Great site. Buy from them. :) Matt Jenkins wrote: www.wlanparts.com or www.streakwave.com are the only two places I have ever ordered from. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element

[WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I really like my Tranzeo CPQ radios. But we're seeing a LOT of power supply failures (and they are too cheap to even warranty, we just buy new ones). Sometimes they don't fully fail either, they go low or something, the injector lights up like it should but the radio just won't work

Re: [WISPA] Cat5e modular plugs

2008-08-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marlon, I remember you talking about Ez connectors in the past. It may be the solution, so wires can be pulled through instead of pushed when its a tight fit.. Are the Ez shielded connectors a one peice connector or do they have inserts? Can they handle the thicker wire and direct buriels

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Star cpes Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:37 AM To: WISPA General

[WISPA] Like new CCU3100 Waverider Basestation

2008-08-20 Thread John McDowell
With Power supply and test antenna. Hit me offlist with offers. Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread RickG
Marlon, I LOVE my Tranzeo radios. Before using them, I all but gave up on 802.11. In an effort to assist, I dont have the disconnect issues you mention. I've got StarOS on WRAP boards for AP's. I dont have any power supply issues either except from the expected lightning. I use 15 volt units

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread RickG
LOL, kinda like their commericals - they have crowds of hundreds of people everywhere. It's the network! -RickG On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Verizon FiOS was put into my neighborhood, they just used labor. They had 30 or so people on our street for a week

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread John Valenti
Chuck, Vegetation might have a huge impact on the coverage area. I've seen pictures of your area, it looks like heaven to me. My experience is that the first two trees will eat up a 5.8 signal, so expanding the coverage area by 80% just adds another tree or two. It might be very sensible

[WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Eric Rogers
I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread John Valenti
Marlon, My best experiences have been with StarOS clients connecting to StarOS APs. Regarding disconnects, I don't see that much. I like to program the client radio's ping watchdog to hit the AP every 10 seconds. Then when I'm in the association page on the AP, all the clients will have

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Nash
This is what we do too. It works very well. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
Anyone able to get NTop running on vista? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Sharples
Wlanparts are currently out of stock. However metrix.net has some ( I just bought two for testing). Tom S. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation I

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown
Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer,

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Rogelio
Eric Rogers wrote: Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. keylogger? not sure where you're going with that. check out ntop that, i'm guessing, solves about 90% of your current needs.

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
Jerry Richardson wrote: Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Yes! Ntop is awesome! Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. NTOP can be a NetFlow endpoint. I have that

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
NTOP can be a NetFlow endpoint. I have that setup in my lab. Works great. Good to know. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown
We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Eric Rogers
Not directed toward Chuck or Tom. We (WISPA lists) tend to get off track and I want suggestions at this point. I am not a lawyer, so I will leave that for this employer to consult his attorney. The matter at hand is to monitor traffic as a summary, not capture data. Thanks, Eric

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Eric Rogers
NTop - Excellent suggestion. I am also looking (since it is a mikrotik firewall) using NetFlow and some sort of logging tool. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:19 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
The advantage of PRTG is that is will generate reports and email them on a regular basis. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

2008-08-20 Thread Jim Patient
I have a few NS2 left $85 each. Jim jeffcosoho.com Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Does anyone know of any nano or powerstations in stock? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
Jerry Richardson wrote: The advantage of PRTG is that is will generate reports and email them on a regular basis. H. I imagine this could be done pretty easily with NTOP as well. Might require some shell scripting. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
Charles Wyble wrote: Jerry Richardson wrote: The advantage of PRTG is that is will generate reports and email them on a regular basis. H. I imagine this could be done pretty easily with NTOP as well. Might require some shell scripting.

[WISPA] Fiber Costs

2008-08-20 Thread Charles Wyble
Hmmm... http://www.go-nowires.com/wireless-blog/fios-too-risky/ From the article: When it was announced, Verizon’s $23 billion planned investment in the service, called FiOS, was met by a chorus of skeptics, both on Wall Street and among rivals. Verizon rejected cheaper broadband alternatives

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

2008-08-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I currently pay $79 for the nano's and $125 for the PS2's. Hit me offlist if you have stock and the price. I'd take at least 20 of each, but not interested in paying only what I have to, even if it means waiting. Brian Jim Patient wrote: I have a few NS2 left $85 each. Jim jeffcosoho.com

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I use all MT and knock on wood, I hardly have non-mother nature related issues. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Except for the fact that the fiber will deliver enough bandwidth for at least a decade or two and the WiMAX gear day 1 couldn't deliver enough bandwidth. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I love this country... It's illegal to watch your employee's usage, but then you are liable if they do something illegal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Dennis Burgess
In Missouri its only illegal if you don't disclose it. You can monitor it all you want and can use it for a reason to fire someone. As long as they know that all data/websites etc are property of the company and that they can be monitored etc. Most companies put it in their employee

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber

2008-08-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
There is that. Mike Hammett wrote: Except for the fact that the fiber will deliver enough bandwidth for at least a decade or two and the WiMAX gear day 1 couldn't deliver enough bandwidth. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
We make 'em sign a statement saying they have read the employee handbook. - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program In Missouri its only

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
It's a backhaul so that doesn't matter, backhaul is running 54/54 so it can't get any better anyway, -60's. I'm using dishes. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Power supply failures? Not seeing those. My biggest problem with the CPQ line is that 90% of the time when they are not working are they need power-cycled. They actually need power cycled more than I think they should. I remember the old CPE-200 days and you never had to power cycle them EVER!

Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread John Thomas
If you have a Netflow compatible router at the edge, you can use http://manageengine.adventnet.com/products/netflow/network-bandwith-monitoring.html John Thomas Eric Rogers wrote: I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's

Re: [WISPA] coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Bob Moldashel
Dude That is not what I was commenting on. You made the following blanket statement regarding radio links and waveguide: If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have no choice. That is the statement YOU made with your 5 million years of experience. THAT statement

Re: [WISPA] Fixing dead CPE

2008-08-20 Thread Blair Davis
Thanks! Having taken my deaders apart now I see some with a u.fl pigtail and some with an MMCX or RP-MMCX pigtail. (I always get those two mixed up) I'd like to find a female MMCX or female RP-MMCX to u.fl pigtail to use in these Any ideas where to find those? Anyone? Blair

[WISPA] Fw: coax cables

2008-08-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
RG8 on 5.8 GHz? That was the start of the thread. ATT long lines high cap availability spec. That is how I define WORK. 200 foot tower at 6 GHz or above. That is how I define any distance at all. You think you can get 20 dB of fade margin at 5.8 GHz using any amount of RG8 in the

Re: [WISPA] Fixing dead CPE

2008-08-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
All the CPQ series and newer have uf.l The only ones that don't are the CPE-200 series which you can probably tell by now are just a CB3. I've not found a way to attach any radio to these so I just throw the antenna out and put a N-Female bulkhead connector on the Tranzeo and use them as if the

Re: [WISPA] Cat5e modular plugs

2008-08-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Don't know about the thicker wire. These are NOT shielded connectors. I don't know if there is a version like that or not. It takes a special crimper because the wires are cut to length at the same time as they crimp takes place. This way you can check the way the you wired it before you do

Re: [WISPA] CPE radios

2008-08-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
You replace all of the power supplies right off the bat? OR only when they break. I understand about the lightning. But it's funny how often the new tranzeo units go out while everything else just keeps running. Thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] Fixing dead CPE

2008-08-20 Thread Blair Davis
A rb411 with a SR2 card will work and plug in but it is not cost effective... I am going to look at some way to do a u.fl on them. I'd be happy if I could find u'fl pigtails, lmr-100 or so with the other end bare wire. blair Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All the CPQ series and newer have