Re: [WISPA] RTS/CTS

2008-10-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Allan Marsallis got really good with RTS/CTS. He tried to teach me but I never did really catch on. I do know that you have to set ALL client radios the same way for it to work right. As I recall, it can make a huge difference on a highly loaded network though. marlon - Original

[WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, As a member of the FCC committee and a long term DC participant (first went there as a WISP in 2001 or 2002) I feel I have to point out some critical flaws in our proposals. I said much of this at the committee level but to no avail. First, let me say this though. The filing is

Re: [WISPA] [FCC Committee] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Jack Unger
Marlon, Good luck with your individual White Space filing. I urge everyone who believes they have a better, a more constructive or a more practical idea than WISPA's filing to go to the FCC website and make an individual filing with the FCC immediately. Here's the link to file

Re: [WISPA] cards

2008-10-24 Thread Harold Bledsoe
What CPU board are you using as this may limit your options? -Hal -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] cards Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:18

Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-24 Thread Isp Operator
And what the internet has told you, is that we AREN'T GOING TO ASK to remove ourselves from lists we DIDN'T ASK TO BE ON. What a JERK. Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with something that relates

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Gino Villarini
We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease of work ...Side A and Side B. Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B to Utility. In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-24 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I thought this thread was closed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Isp Operator Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? And what the internet has told you, is that we AREN'T

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Similar to the last post what I often see is two UPS units coming from two power grids/companies. On 10/24/08, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease of work ...Side A and Side B. Side A is connected to the UPS Plant,

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Ron Wallace
I agree with you Marlon. There seems to be fewer instances where the membership is consulted on issues of importance regarding the FCC. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC swtich for this purpose. Thanks Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] cards

2008-10-24 Thread Travis Johnson
MT RB411 Harold Bledsoe wrote: What CPU board are you using as this may limit your options? -Hal -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] cards

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
The other alternative I am aware of in that price range is the Engenius cards which aren't that great IMO. I have absolutely loved the Compex cards and the RB4xx series thus far. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Just a quick follow up. A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices. (APC makes a few different types). These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch. Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an Dual AC power supply module for Computer Or find a AC to DC

[WISPA] Whitespace Commenting UPDATE

2008-10-24 Thread Rick Harnish
UPDATE: It looks like we are having an impact in the comments on the Whitespaces NPRM. I have reviewed many comments this morning from WISPs, subscribers and potential subscribers. We have some members who are going a step beyond and alerting their subscribers and potential customers to support

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
My experience has been less then perfect with APC. The 19 rack ones have been pretty good but the small 7 amp, 11 amp, tiny desktop models have gone bad on me. Those units die way too often =/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeah, but the whole idea is to have every device with dual inputs Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Not necessarily - your goal is to keep it powered 100% of the time. What part seems to go bad for you most of the time? The power supply, PoE, DC jack, power company/UPS unit? If the power supply on the board goes bad you're SOL, sorry. You'll have to find another product. If the PoE or DC

Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****

2008-10-24 Thread Mark Nash
well THAT was super-easy to file comments. Took about 45 seconds. Everyone should take 45 seconds for this... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I would agree, it is very easy to go overboard and over engineer to the n'th degree, however if you do that you will find that you would be introducing more elements which would cause a negative effect. E.g. Heat and power consumption... Coming for the wired world, where only now folks have

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I'll take that APC off your hands, free of charge. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Isn't that what the elected are supposed to do? Make decisions as to what they feel their constituency wants without directly asking them every time? If you don't like whomever was voted in, you vote someone in that will speak more in line with what you desire. I would love to hear what

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Eric Rogers
We currently use DC power supplies, but non-redundant http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdp.htm. We use terminal strips to distribute the power. For us to change, we just replace the power supplies with this... http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdnpred.htm.

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread John Scrivner
I can tell you myself that I have personally spent hundreds of hours toward this effort, as has Marlon. As with any group effort there is no way to please everyone. After exhaustive discussions between everyone over 3 plus years our FCC committee worked together to develop a stance. I believe that

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I'm going to ignore the first part of your email (since I'm sure others will discuss), and point out a couple of things you missed: Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I have MAJOR problems with the stance on adjacent channels. We give up 3 for 1 every time a TV channel, or microphone etc. fires up in

[WISPA] Defaulting a CCU3100

2008-10-24 Thread John McDowell
Does anyone know how to default a CCU3100? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Maybe I'm asking too much here, but shouldn't the plan include something to get it passed as quickly as possible as well as a defined pathway to what we actually want? Again borrowing from 3650, a lot of devices can use the lower 25 MHz, but the FCC is holding out on the upper 25 MHz until

Re: [WISPA] Defaulting a CCU3100

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Wait long enough, sooner or later it won't pay its mortgage on time. haha, sorry :-D -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods* WISPA should have a solid stance, whatever that may be. That allows individual operators to say (which I intend to do), I agree with WISPA except on this one (or two) points.. I'm sure nothing proposed is so grotesque to anyone that they couldn't follow if that was approved. My

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
The difference between sensing in 5 GHz and sensing in TV spaces is that the TV transmitters are published and easily accessed in terms of location, height, transmitter power, etc. The military radars are supposedly secret. Without long term spectrum analysis, you have no way of knowing if

[WISPA] Pipe mount

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
What are you guys using to mount something like a RooTenna to a vent pipe on a roof? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Brian Webster
One of the problems with sensing as it is proposed, there are no provisions for the sensing to accommodate other unlicensed users in the spectrum, only TV stations and other incumbent users. That's a big problem if you are a WISP and someone fires up their unlicensed gear and takes out your

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: The difference between sensing in 5 GHz and sensing in TV spaces is that the TV transmitters are published and easily accessed in terms of location, height, transmitter power, etc. But microphone users are not. The sensing proposals indicate that sensing devices *must*

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Isn't that what the elected are supposed to do? Make decisions as to what they feel their constituency wants without directly asking them every time? If you don't like whomever was voted in, you vote someone in that will speak more in line with what

[WISPA] What I sent to my friends, customers, etc.

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
You are greatly encouraged to pass this email along. Please take a few minutes to file comments on this proceeding. Comments are due Tuesday, October 28th, 2008. The passage of this with friendly terms to Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) would be a great benefit to my company,

Re: [WISPA] Pipe mount

2008-10-24 Thread Jeromie Reeves
If it is cast iron, I just mount what ever antenna directly to it. If I need to extend it I use cast of slightly larger diameter and slip it over. There is a cross cut (+) for 3 inches and 2 hose clamps, keeps it pretty tight. If it is not cast iron or galvanized then I do not touch them. On Fri,

Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****

2008-10-24 Thread Rick Harnish
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search

Re: [WISPA] What I sent to my friends, customers, etc.

2008-10-24 Thread Brian Webster
One point of technical clarification. The white spaces also address the unused TV channels in an area, not just the spaces in between. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Well, I know of one thing you disagreed with right off John...the word ubiquitous on the 2nd page...know how much you love that word. ducking -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] What I sent to my friends, customers, etc.

2008-10-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Indeed. The highest channel here in the proposed space is 50, so there's I think 1 channel that's not between the lowest (2) and the highest. :-p -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian

[WISPA] MT Nstreme fixes

2008-10-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, For those that have not seen it yet, Mikrotik made some major improvements to their Nstreme protocol for point to multi-point configurations. It is still in beta form, but it has made huge improvements in latency and jitter on AP's with 30+ customers connected. Here is the link to their

Re: [WISPA] cards

2008-10-24 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone using Zcomax cards? I see a lot of radio makers use them (Tranzeo, Ligowave/Deliberant). Not sure how they would compare on static discharge issues. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: MT RB411 Harold Bledsoe wrote: What CPU board are you using as this may limit your options? -Hal

[WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth

2008-10-24 Thread Rogelio
How do you import longitude and latitude data into google earth? (I'm googling on how to do it, but don't see an easy answer) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth

2008-10-24 Thread John McDowell
Ask Brian Webster. He's the mac when it comes to that stuff. So far this month we've only had one failed install due to signal and it's because we use his coverage maps in google earth to prequalify. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do

Re: [WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Import from what? You simply search the coordinates and it points it on the map... http://maps.google.com/maps?q=-4.815++-162.342ie=UTF8oe=utf-8client=firefox-all=1.054628,-140.625spn=152.614639,316.40625z=2iwloc=addr Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

[WISPA] long term outlook of Cisco's outdoor mesh?

2008-10-24 Thread Rogelio
I heard a rumor from someone who used to work at Cisco that they will discontinue their outdoor mesh line, but I have yet to confirm this. Someone I know who is considering buying quite a bit of their outdoor mesh stuff asked them if this was the case or not, and they said that the Cisco rep

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread RickG
Nope, I already tested it. -RickG On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am no electrician by any means but I think using both the DC jack and PoE, technically speaking, would freak the board's power supply out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: