Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> Mark,
>
> Comments inline:
>
>>
>> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough? 
>> Please.
>
> I just looked in the mirror, my nose is still intact!  I didn't even OINK
> today. :)

LOL!  good for you :)

>
>>
>> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on
>> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading 
>> shares
>> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be
>> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of 
>> confidence
>> in our business models...
>
> Actually, tax incentives were a major discussion point for operators who
> make investment in broadband networks.  I'll take the rest of this 
> paragraph
> to heart as I proceed wallowing in the trough.
>
>>
>> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a
>> majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a 
>> handful
>> sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my back
>> already!
>
> Boosting the statistical average speed of broadband in the US will benefit
> the whole economy.

What is this canard?   Where did it come from?   Seriously,  I could never 
put my name behind this statement.   It just doesn't pass the sniff  test, 
and the law of unintended consequences probably produces more negative 
results than positive.   I would say that WIDER adoption of broadband, 
specifically geographically, with better pricing and less bundling would be 
more consumer beneficial than just upping the speed.   it's like buying a 
Neon SRT 4 vs a standard Neon.   Yeah, it's faster, but 98.8% of the time, 
you're not going to benefit from the capability.

With the majority of the population living in
> metropolitan areas, I would see the bar being raised in these areas much
> sooner than it will affect rural areas.  That being said, I will be 
> seeking
> funding for new research for faster wireless technologies to assist WISPs 
> in
> achieving the highest speeds possible.  I believe there will be a 
> multiplier
> affect of dollars invested in broadband infrastructure.  Enabling 
> businesses
> and people to be more efficient will definitely boost the economy more 
> than
> giving tax rebate checks back as part of an economic stimulus plan.  The
> group reached a solid consensus that investing in broadband infrastructure
> would be one of the wisest uses of tight capital as it would create 
> revenue
> in multiples of the original investment in all industry sectors.

I agree with you in principle.   I would say that if it included dollars 
from DC, that your statement is both wrong and the action totally 
counterproductive.






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Re: [WISPA] Article

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But there's no reason why consumers should be FORCED to buy that.   Public 
financing does not reduce cost, it increases it by subsidizing inefficiency 
and overbuilding and hides the real cost.

Don't think that they get it "cheap".  They pay far more than we do, even if 
the monthly bill shows a lower "price".




- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> Well thats kind of the point of consumer advocates. Consumer advocates are
> not against WISPs.
> They are against Cable Cos that deliver less bandwdith than they are 
> capable
> of delivering to the public.
> If Broadband monoploies put less money in stock holder's pockets, and more
> money into infrastructure, they should easilly be able to deliver faster
> speeds.
> The rest of the world does.
>
> In many places in Europe, 10-20mbps DSL to the home is very common.
>
> The problem is, I can't disagree with consumer advocates. They are right.
> They should be able to get more, based on the capabilty of fiber 
> technology
> today.
> unfortunately, that does not help WISPs.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>> Well if you look at this article looks like most people are getting less
>> than a meg anyways:
>> http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp
>>
>> Makes me wonder how many DSL and Cable shops wouldn't be broadband either
>> under the 10Mb rule even in Metro areas (around my area I don't think
>> Comcast and Qwest quite get there consistently... maybe in new
>> neighborhoods)
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:08 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>>
>>> That is a TERRIBLE idea.
>>>
>>> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?
>>> Please.
>>>
>>> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment 
>>> on
>>> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading
>>> shares
>>> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be
>>> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of
>>> confidence
>>> in our business models...
>>>
>>> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a
>>> majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a
>>> handful
>>> sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my 
>>> back
>>> already!
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>>
>>>
>>> >I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining
>>> > broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
>>> > Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member
>>> > of
>>> > teh
>>> > Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for
>>> > policies.
>>> > It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather
>>> > to
>>> > compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
>>> > WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence 
>>> > and
>>> > educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence,
>>> > is
>>> > to
>>> > change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband.
>>> 10mbps
>>> > is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably
>>> > eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
>>> > But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL 
>>> > typical
>>> > speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax
>>> > incentives.
>>> > If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens
>>> > the
>>> > door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy 
>>> > to
>>> > invest in WISP's deployment of such markets.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Tom DeReggi
>>> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>>> >> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>>> >>
>>> >> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>>> >>
>>> >> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as
>>> >> over
>>> >> 10 Meg.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nothing l

Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


>
>>We're all taxpayers, get off my back
>> already!
>
> I'm a little confused on your response.
> Nobody is on your back. We are just discussing possible point of views on
> Broadband policy.

Sorry, I thought you were advocating we start pumping Washington for grants 
or loans or something.

>
> I'm also not exactly clear what you are calling the "terrible" idea.

Defining broadband higher than we can affordably deliver.

>
> Joining the NBS table for debate?
> Raising minimul requirements for what is considered "Broadband"?
> Or Raising it to a level that disqualifies ILEC DSL?
> Or trying to incourage investment in WISPs?

I've put every dollar I can spare for the last 4.5 years in my WISP.   Are 
you suggesting that now that I'm "here" I need to do it all over again?   Or 
are you talking about playing definition games so a handful of those who are 
good at beaurocracy can get their hands on a bigger share of the taxpayer's 
blood?  My "competition" used venture capital money in the late 90's to file 
for every possible dollar of grants or loans.  They didn't use much of it, 
I'm told, but they did make sure nobody else could.   Are you suggesting 
that this game gets played again, so that those with lawyers and paperwork 
pushers can get money as opposed to us who just build networks where people 
need service?

>
> The first thing to understand is what could be an advantageous  purpose to
> change definition of "broadband" to a higher standard.

I suppose.  Let's also figure out how to NOT shoot ourselves in the foot.

> The second is figuring out what that number should be to NOT disqualify
> WISPs.
>
> I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we can 
> decide
> on a WISPA policy for those questions.
> But "terrible idea" doesn't really help us define a possition does it?

I already stated what would be a great thing to advocate.   Better tax 
treatment and some other stuff, like gaurantees of having all mandates 
lifted.  You and I and the rest of us can do just fine and dandy witout RUS 
money or anything else.  We can't survive the helping hands from DC.

>
> Are you saying it should stay the way it is now? I can tell you that isn't
> going to happen.
> There is a huge force working to change the definition, and it will likely
> be changed.
> Our only hope is to influence it to be a number that will be the lease
> harmful to WISPs.

Maybe we should just have a consistent, intelligent voice that says "small 
business is the REAL answer!".   We are ALL small businesses by every 
definition (perhaps a handful are too big, but I'm not sure), and that we 
are consistently doing daily what these money grubbing fools can't figure 
out how to do.  Jumping into the pigpen and rooting at the trough, in return 
for industry and market manipulation just seems so incredibly 
self-defeating.

>
> I agree that raising the definition of Broadband has little benefit to
> WISPs, but we do not live in a world ruled by WISPs.
> We have to fight for evey little thing we can get, and it will likely be a
> compromise.  What I pointed out was one possible benefit of disqualifying
> DSL.

It seems terribly unlikely to me that areas once "served" can be 
redesignated as "unserved" by any sort of definition change.  Especially 
when you have the might of the telcos in opposition to that idea.  It seems 
to be self defeating as an industry to try to play the same game as the 
cable ops and telcos.  We need to have an original idea, an original 
thought, one which makes the big guys look clumsy and inept to try to play.

I realize we, and I include myself, haven't got squat for experience in 
lobbying this way, but I have learned that playing the big boys game and by 
their rules is completely self defeating.   We need to change the game, or 
else create a whole new game.

>
> I had a real world situation that applied to my logic. For example, lets
> look at the RUS grants. RUS requires that a WISP find an unserved area. So
> that left 3 communities in my state.
> So I spent 6 month prepairing my grant application. But the rules are, 
> even
> ifan area was underserved at teh time of a grant application, if the area
> becomes served before the Grant is issued (like a 1 year period after
> worlds) it will disqualify your grant.  And technically anywhere there is 
> a
> physical phone line, it is possible for an RBOC to call an area "served" 
> by
> Broadband, after a few hours of upgrades. Telephone lines are EVERYWHERE.
> There is no requirement to have availabilty to ALL homes in an area to 
> call
> it served, nor a percent build out plan.  In our case, Verizon decided to
> build out and provide Broadband to 2 homes, in order to disqualify our 
> area
> as underserved.  It didn't happen exactly like

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Jack Unger]

Dear Mike,

You miss the point and possibly so does Josh. Because an AP can deliver 
"x" amount of throughput during a speed test between two location does 
not mean that the same AP can deliver that amount of throughput to all 
the customers simultaneously. The AP's throughput is shared between all 
of the end-users. When the AP maxes out, some (possibly all) of those 
end-users must slow down. Some WISPs do not understand this and thus 
they end up over-promising throughput and disappointing their customers. 
WISPs need to understand this or they will fail in this business and 
give other WISPs a black eye in the process. Nobody is getting beat up 
here; this has nothing to do with personalities. It has everything to do 
with the physics of data communications behavior. Everybody needs to 
understand the true limits of their system.

Why is this? Because the "air" is a shared medium. Throughput delivery 
takes real-world time in intervals we call "time-slots". You can only 
carry so much throughput during one time-slot. There area only so many 
time-slots (fractions of a second) in each second. This is why 
throughput is limited. Only so many users can be on one AP at the same 
time if they are requesting a large amount of the available AP 
throughput. A lightly-loaded system may appear to be able to deliver max 
throughput simultaneously to those few customers but when the AP is 
heavily loaded with users who are vying for a lot of throughput 
simultaneously then most of them will need to slow down because not 
everyone will get all the time slots they need to carry the high 
throughput (ex: video streaming) levels that they are requesting.

Don't make this personal; that simply detracts from the very real 
technical limits that a successful WISP must understand in order to 
succeed and survive.

jack


Mike Hammett wrote:
> I didn't get that at all.
>
> It seems as though when anyone on this list suggests going faster than 2 
> megabits, they get beat up.  Sorry, Charlie, BA-II was outdated long ago.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Jack Unger 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
> So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY from the 
> same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve all of them 26 Mb 
> simultaneously. 
>
> Josh Luthman wrote: 
> Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home.  Each tower has a
> Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...
>
> The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
> show 26 megs.
>
>
>  So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
> between all of your customers on that one access point?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>  And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>
> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>
> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
> 10 Meg.
>
> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'"  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>
>
>  Jeff,
>
> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>
>
>  the
>
>
>  events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>
>
>  to
>
>
>  define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>
>
>  the
>
>
>  US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> Administration.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>
>
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>
>  164_pf.html
>
> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Acce

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Josh Luthman]

XR5's are Prism for my APs
R52's are Atheros for my CPEs

I have not heard of any chipset differences in performance - anyone else
have this?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling
> 20+
> megs...  now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it.
> I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you can only get 3.5
> mbit.  A lot of people are against G mode, but I don't' think it's that
> much
> different from A and A works just fine for me.
>
> Then again, I am ALL Atheros MT, nothing else.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds
>
> > I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
> > WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
> > that is so often discussed on this list.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
> > penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
> > clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
> > what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
> > 320 clients.
> >
> >
> >
> > The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
> > Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
> > speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
> > of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
> > Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
> > another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
> > 10MB to each client is financially Impossible.
> >
> >
> >
> > Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
> > you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
> > service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
> > know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
> > boat.
> >
> >
> >
> > So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
> > without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
> > charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
> > readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
> > Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
> > Verizon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> >
> > RC-WiFi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Mike Hammett]

I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling 20+ 
megs...  now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it. 
I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you can only get 3.5 
mbit.  A lot of people are against G mode, but I don't' think it's that much 
different from A and A works just fine for me.

Then again, I am ALL Atheros MT, nothing else.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:32 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds

> I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
> WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
> that is so often discussed on this list.
>
>
>
> I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
> penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
> clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
> what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
> 320 clients.
>
>
>
> The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
> Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
> speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
> of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
> Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
> another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
> 10MB to each client is financially Impossible.
>
>
>
> Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
> you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.
>
>
>
> Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
> service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
> know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
> boat.
>
>
>
> So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
> without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
> charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
> readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
> Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
> Verizon.
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> RC-WiFi.com
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Josh Luthman]

I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last
year.  May be just that one case, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years
> or so.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
> > Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on
> the
> > Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a
> lot
> > of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units
> > which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> UDP 88
> >> UDP and TCP 3074
> >>
> >> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox
> >> 360.  360 will need a static IP.
> >>
> >>
> >> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to
> >> 192.168.200.50/24
> >>
> >> net = wpci1
> >> client = ether1
> >>
> >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net
> >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
> >> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the
> >> > client's NATing routers.
> >> >
> >> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are...  ;-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Mike Hammett
> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM
> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >> >
> >> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
> >> >>
> >> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
> >> >>
> >> >> marlon
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox
> >> >>> requests
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -
> >> >>> Mike Hammett
> >> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
> >> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >> >>>
> >>  upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
> >> 
> >>  - Original Message -
> >>  From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
> >>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port
> >> forwarded
> >> > to
> >> > the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I
> >> dunno
> >> > what
> >> > to do about that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Mike Hammett
> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >> >
> >> >> What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings
> >> >> in
> >> a
> >> >> router
> >> >> that I set up for a customer.
> >> >> marlon
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [W

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Mike Hammett]

I didn't get that at all.

It seems as though when anyone on this list suggests going faster than 2 
megabits, they get beat up.  Sorry, Charlie, BA-II was outdated long ago.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




From: Jack Unger 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:55 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY from the 
same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve all of them 26 Mb 
simultaneously. 

Josh Luthman wrote: 
Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home.  Each tower has a
Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Josh Luthman wrote:

My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...

The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
show 26 megs.


 So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
between all of your customers on that one access point?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



 And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message -
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article




 Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in


 the


 events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action


 to


 define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring


 the


 US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Article




 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203

 164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth


 and


 spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading


 and


 building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
broadband
policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access


 to


 every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether


 the


 government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
neutrality --
the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we


 have


 a
broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
10
nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would 

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years 
or so.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

> Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the
> Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot
> of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units
> which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> UDP 88
>> UDP and TCP 3074
>>
>> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox
>> 360.  360 will need a static IP.
>>
>>
>> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to
>> 192.168.200.50/24
>>
>> net = wpci1
>> client = ether1
>>
>> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net
>> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
>> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the
>> > client's NATing routers.
>> >
>> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are...  ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >
>> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
>> >>
>> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
>> >>
>> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
>> >>
>> >> marlon
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox 
>> >>> requests
>> >>> the
>> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
>> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >>>
>>  upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  To: "WISPA General List" 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> 
>> 
>> > Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port
>> forwarded
>> > to
>> > the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I
>> dunno
>> > what
>> > to do about that.
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >
>> >> What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings 
>> >> in
>> a
>> >> router
>> >> that I set up for a customer.
>> >> marlon
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the
>> best
>> >>> pick
>> >>> of people to connect with.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
>> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>> >>>
>> > Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 ga

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Travis Johnson]

Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the
install fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside
down" on every new customer.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

  You are doing it.  Just keep bootstrapping.  Once you get 1000 subscribers 
things will be a bit better.

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds


  
  
I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
that is so often discussed on this list.



I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
320 clients.



The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
10MB to each client is financially Impossible.



Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.



Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
boat.



So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
Verizon.



Steve Barnes

RC-WiFi.com




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[WISPA] Nice Paper about WISP's, specifically in California but very well written

[Brian Webster]

I just stumbled across this web page and a link to a report about the state
of the WISP industry in California. The author conducted a very good survey
of WISP's and summarized the industry very well. Thought you might like a
look at the results. Much of this information will not be news to you, but
it is a good reference document to give to folks who might not understand
our industry. I would venture a guess that the results he came to
statistically would be similar in the rest of the US.

http://www.redwoodtech.org/wisp-report
http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf

Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] Article

[rharnish]

Mark, 

Comments inline: 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 

> That is a TERRIBLE idea.

I don't see obtaining a seat at the table which is defining future policy 
for broadband in the US a terrible idea.  Not participating would do our 
industry much more disservice than participating. 

> 
> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?   Please.

I just looked in the mirror, my nose is still intact!  I didn't even OINK 
today. :) 

> 
> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on 
> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares 
> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be 
> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of confidence 
> in our business models...

Actually, tax incentives were a major discussion point for operators who 
make investment in broadband networks.  I'll take the rest of this paragraph 
to heart as I proceed wallowing in the trough. 

> 
> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a 
> majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a handful 
> sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my back 
> already!

Boosting the statistical average speed of broadband in the US will benefit 
the whole economy.  With the majority of the population living in 
metropolitan areas, I would see the bar being raised in these areas much 
sooner than it will affect rural areas.  That being said, I will be seeking 
funding for new research for faster wireless technologies to assist WISPs in 
achieving the highest speeds possible.  I believe there will be a multiplier 
affect of dollars invested in broadband infrastructure.  Enabling businesses 
and people to be more efficient will definitely boost the economy more than 
giving tax rebate checks back as part of an economic stimulus plan.  The 
group reached a solid consensus that investing in broadband infrastructure 
would be one of the wisest uses of tight capital as it would create revenue 
in multiples of the original investment in all industry sectors. 


Respectively,
Rick Harnish 


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article 
> 
> 
>>I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining
>> broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
>> Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member of 
>> teh
>> Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for policies.
>> It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather to
>> compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
>> WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence and
>> educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence, is 
>> to
>> change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband. 10mbps
>> is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably
>> eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
>> But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL typical
>> speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax
>> incentives.
>> If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens the
>> door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy to
>> invest in WISP's deployment of such markets. 
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article 
>>
>>
>>> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>>> industry = pay off Unions for votes. 
>>>
>>> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify. 
>>>
>>> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as 
>>> over
>>> 10 Meg. 
>>>
>>> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry... 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article 
>>>
>>>
 Jeff, 

 Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
 the
 events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
 to
 define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
 players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
 the
 US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
 three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
 Administration. 

 Respectfully, 

 Rick Harnish 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Chuck McCown - 3]

You are doing it.  Just keep bootstrapping.  Once you get 1000 subscribers 
things will be a bit better.

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds


>I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
> WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
> that is so often discussed on this list.
>
>
>
> I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
> penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
> clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
> what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
> 320 clients.
>
>
>
> The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
> Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
> speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
> of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
> Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
> another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
> 10MB to each client is financially Impossible.
>
>
>
> Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
> you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.
>
>
>
> Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
> service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
> know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
> boat.
>
>
>
> So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
> without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
> charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
> readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
> Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
> Verizon.
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> RC-WiFi.com
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Good one Steve !!  I want to know too !

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
that is so often discussed on this list.

 

I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
320 clients.  

 

The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
10MB to each client is financially Impossible. 

 

Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.  

 

Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
boat.  

 

So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
Verizon.

 

Steve Barnes

RC-WiFi.com





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[WISPA] Client Speeds

[Steve Barnes]

I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different
WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment
that is so often discussed on this list.

 

I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch each
penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to service the
clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that
what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with
320 clients.  

 

The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro
Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn off the
speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any
of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full
Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with
another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to achieve
10MB to each client is financially Impossible. 

 

Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.  What do
you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.  

 

Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you
service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have and I
know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same
boat.  

 

So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition
without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is everyone
charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing is not
readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.   No
Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
Verizon.

 

Steve Barnes

RC-WiFi.com




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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[John McDowell]

I've hear that Powercode is changing owners? Anybody have the skinny on
that?
We're seeing some really cool things coming from PC and
WirelessMapping.com... Check out the link below. The Google map overlay of
our coverage gets populated with little google tear drops where we have
customers and leads and failed installs, which makes it easy to sign up
resellers and affiliates inside PC:

http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps2.htm





On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Tim Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While you guys are on the topic could I also ask you to look at our
> offering?
>
> We've been selling hot spot systems for the hospitality industry since 2004
> but over the past year have started putting together a package for WISPs.
> We've branded the WISP solution Avansu (http://www.avansu.com).
>
> Avansu is a B/OSS provided entirely as a service (via the browser), no
> software to install. AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but
> once installed can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our firmware
> ported to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all
> the time.
>
> Avansu offers the following:
> - Billing (subscriptions, credit card payments, scratch cards etc)
> - Remote management, configuration and reboot of APs and CPEs
> - Monitoring and alerting via SMS and email (with automated failover if
> available)
> - Fully customizable login pages for CPEs and APs (including own domain)
> - Fully customizable credit card billing and subscription pages (including
> own domain)
> - Reports on usage and revenue for single nodes, groups of nodes or the
> whole system
>
> The main advantage of Avansu is that APs and CPEs work the same no matter
> what hardware (vendor) is used. Once the Avansu firmware is installed nodes
> can be deployed by simply copying configuration parameters from one unit to
> another via the server.
>
> We're still in beta for WISPs, we'll be launching fully in January 2009.
> Until launch we're offering free accounts so let me know off list if you'd
> like to try our system.
>
> Sorry for the self promotion but you guys were discussing the topic, I
> couldn't help myself ;-)
>
>
> Tim Barker
>
> Fire4 Systems (UK) Ltd.
> Round Foundry Media Centre,
> Foundry Street,
> Leeds,
> LS11 5QP,
> UK
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> UK Tel: +44 (0)7976 122 191
> US Tel: +1 305-914-0364
>
> http://www.fire4.com
> http://www.avansu.com
> http://www.wispzone.com
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > >While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
> > >to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
> > >information.
> >
> > While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
> > he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
> > for FreeSide without question.
> >
> > Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
> > remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
> >
> > >>Some things it has to have:
> >
> > >>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
> > >>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
> >
> > FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
> >
> > >>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
> > >>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
> >
> > Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> > these CRM requirements.
> >
> > >>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
> > >>customer... <- major importance.
> >
> > This is what FS does "for a living".
> >
> > >>Credit Card processing.
> >
> > This, too.
> >
> > >>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
> > >>Customer portal.
> >
> > Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
> >
> > >>Things that would be a bonus
> > >>Inventory management
> > >>Network monitoring
> >
> > FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
> >
> > See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> > anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> > Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member   *
> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > http://signup.wispa.org/
> >
> >
> 
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Article

[Jeff Broadwick]

On the plus side, it might mean that a whole bunch of ISPs won't be covered
under CALEA.  :-) 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article

And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to 
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message -
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> Jeff,
>
> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in the
> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action to
> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring the
> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> Administration.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
> 164_pf.html
>
> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>
> By Cecilia Kang
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>
> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed 
> Internet
> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth and
> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>
> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading and
> building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on 
> broadband
> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
> coalition.
>
> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access to
> every consumer.
>
> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether the
> government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
> use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net 
> neutrality --
> the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
> slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
> beyond their differences.
>
> "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we have

> a
> broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
> ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
> group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
> that will require difficult choices."
>
> At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
> economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top 
> 10
> nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
> The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
> high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
> roads and phone service.
>
> Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
> received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
> networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect 
> citizens
> to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
> technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.
>
> So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
> plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.
>
> Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
> supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
> definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by 2010.
> The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is 768
> kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many other
> nations.
>
> Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would be
> expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the coalition
> could 

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Chuck McCown - 3]

With any internet technology, aggregation is happening somewhere.  DSL you have 
a pipe to the C.O. but then there may be limited overhead.  Cable modems 
aggregate in various branches of their distribution.  Wireless aggregates at 
the AP.  Satellite... big AP in the sky.  Even FTTH has shared resources on 
GPON that can be eventually saturated by one customer.  Very few technologies 
are totally non blocking when it comes to this.  

Canopy allows 10.2 Mbps (in my system) to be simultaneously delivered to all 
SMs on a time share arrangement.  That might be blowing smoke but the users 
experience is that if you have an AP with 100 "normal" customers on it and they 
go to a speed test site, they will get that speed almost every single time they 
choose to test.  Every one of them.  And when they are browsing and reading 
email, they are doing it at 10.2.  

The thing is so fast and the fixed latency makes it such that it is rare that 
two people are clicking their mouse at the exact same time.  So, as a time 
share condo allows you full use of the house during your week, Canopy allows 
you full use of the AP for the milliseconds you need to get that web page.  The 
next guy that clicks will also get full use of the AP when they need it.  When 
someone starts the streaming data or huge file transfer, then they get 
throttled down to their speed plan.  

But I do not blush when I say we deliver 10.2 Mbps because we do.  And the user 
experience is much better than DSL, Cable or Satellite.  Perhaps that offends 
some folks sense of right and wrong, but not mine.  

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


  So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY from the 
same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve all of them 26 Mb 
simultaneously. 

  Josh Luthman wrote: 
Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home.  Each tower has a
Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Josh Luthman wrote:

My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...

The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
show 26 megs.


 So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
between all of your customers on that one access point?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



 And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message -
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article




 Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in


 the


 events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action


 to


 define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring


 the


 US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Article




 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203

 164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth


 and


 spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading


 and


 building out high-speed network

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Jack Unger]

So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY
from the same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve all
of them 26 Mb simultaneously. 

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home.  Each tower has a
Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
Josh Luthman wrote:

My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...

The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
show 26 megs.


 So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
between all of your customers on that one access point?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



 And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message -
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article




 Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in


 the


 events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action


 to


 define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring


 the


 US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Article




 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203

 164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth


 and


 spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading


 and


 building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
broadband
policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access


 to


 every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether


 the


 government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
neutrality --
the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we


 have


 a
broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
10
nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
roads and phone service.

Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect
citizens
to government agencies. A

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Tom DeReggi]

Well thats kind of the point of consumer advocates. Consumer advocates are 
not against WISPs.
They are against Cable Cos that deliver less bandwdith than they are capable 
of delivering to the public.
If Broadband monoploies put less money in stock holder's pockets, and more 
money into infrastructure, they should easilly be able to deliver faster 
speeds.
The rest of the world does.

In many places in Europe, 10-20mbps DSL to the home is very common.

The problem is, I can't disagree with consumer advocates. They are right. 
They should be able to get more, based on the capabilty of fiber technology 
today.
unfortunately, that does not help WISPs.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> Well if you look at this article looks like most people are getting less
> than a meg anyways:
> http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp
>
> Makes me wonder how many DSL and Cable shops wouldn't be broadband either
> under the 10Mb rule even in Metro areas (around my area I don't think
> Comcast and Qwest quite get there consistently... maybe in new
> neighborhoods)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:08 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>> That is a TERRIBLE idea.
>>
>> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough? 
>> Please.
>>
>> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on
>> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading 
>> shares
>> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be
>> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of
>> confidence
>> in our business models...
>>
>> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a
>> majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a 
>> handful
>> sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my back
>> already!
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>>
>> >I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining
>> > broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
>> > Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member 
>> > of
>> > teh
>> > Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for 
>> > policies.
>> > It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather 
>> > to
>> > compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
>> > WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence and
>> > educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence, 
>> > is
>> > to
>> > change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband.
>> 10mbps
>> > is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably
>> > eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
>> > But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL typical
>> > speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax
>> > incentives.
>> > If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens 
>> > the
>> > door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy to
>> > invest in WISP's deployment of such markets.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom DeReggi
>> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>> >
>> >
>> >> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>> >> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>> >>
>> >> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>> >>
>> >> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as
>> >> over
>> >> 10 Meg.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Jeff,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating 
>> >>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to
>> Action
>> >>> to
>> >>> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all 
>> >>> the
>> >>> players of the Broadband Industry working toge

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Tom DeReggi]

>We're all taxpayers, get off my back
> already!

I'm a little confused on your response.
Nobody is on your back. We are just discussing possible point of views on 
Broadband policy.

I'm also not exactly clear what you are calling the "terrible" idea.

Joining the NBS table for debate?
Raising minimul requirements for what is considered "Broadband"?
Or Raising it to a level that disqualifies ILEC DSL?
Or trying to incourage investment in WISPs?

The first thing to understand is what could be an advantageous  purpose to 
change definition of "broadband" to a higher standard.
The second is figuring out what that number should be to NOT disqualify 
WISPs.

I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we can decide 
on a WISPA policy for those questions.
But "terrible idea" doesn't really help us define a possition does it?

Are you saying it should stay the way it is now? I can tell you that isn't 
going to happen.
There is a huge force working to change the definition, and it will likely 
be changed.
Our only hope is to influence it to be a number that will be the lease 
harmful to WISPs.

I agree that raising the definition of Broadband has little benefit to 
WISPs, but we do not live in a world ruled by WISPs.
We have to fight for evey little thing we can get, and it will likely be a 
compromise.  What I pointed out was one possible benefit of disqualifying 
DSL.

I had a real world situation that applied to my logic. For example, lets 
look at the RUS grants. RUS requires that a WISP find an unserved area. So 
that left 3 communities in my state.
So I spent 6 month prepairing my grant application. But the rules are, even 
ifan area was underserved at teh time of a grant application, if the area 
becomes served before the Grant is issued (like a 1 year period after 
worlds) it will disqualify your grant.  And technically anywhere there is a 
physical phone line, it is possible for an RBOC to call an area "served" by 
Broadband, after a few hours of upgrades. Telephone lines are EVERYWHERE. 
There is no requirement to have availabilty to ALL homes in an area to call 
it served, nor a percent build out plan.  In our case, Verizon decided to 
build out and provide Broadband to 2 homes, in order to disqualify our area 
as underserved.  It didn't happen exactly like that, but that is the 
summerized version.

My point is that if any Grant programs were made targeted only to 
underserved areas, it is 100% in the control of the RBOC to disqualify that 
grant from occuring, based on the current definition of "underserved" and 
"broadband".

Sure RUS grants and loans have been issued, but it was a gift by the RBOC, 
to allow those grants to be given by RUS, simply because it was simply 
either off teh RBOC's radar, or an area the RBOC had no desire to serve.

Be aware that many people on the Coalition would have liked to see 
20-100mbps minimum speeds for the definition. They probably think 10mbps was 
a compromise. As there is clearly a focus to incourage legislation that 
fosters Fiber Optic expansion, that will give the largest benefit to 
consumers, and have the most longevity into the century.

I think it would be a HUGE victory to bring these guys back into the 
capabilty of WISPs, into the 3mbps range. Atleast 1.5 mbps range.

However, if you think it should be less than that, its going to take a 
really good arguement, to keep it that way. And if a position is just 
unreasonablee to compromise, it will jsut be ignored, as the other lobbying 
forces are stronger.  WISPs don;t want to be painted as the providers that 
hold down innovation and the consumer experience.

The other option is to suggest the branding of a new name. For example, "HD 
broadband", or "Broadband2" and incourage gants and tax incentives for 
people that build those newer faster technologies. But that also, I think 
would be a bad deal.  We don;t want to do anything that incourages 
incentives for others that would not include WISPs.  It would be best to 
find a happy medium that would include WISPs, and partially meet the needs 
of consumer advocates.

However, I'm going to stop there, as this is really a topic best for the 
Member's List, not the open public.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> That is a TERRIBLE idea.
>
> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?   Please.
>
> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on
> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares
> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be
> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of 
> confidence
> in our business models...
>
> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a
> majority of us ou

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Josh Luthman]

Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home.  Each tower has a
Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...
>
> The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
> show 26 megs.
>
>
>  So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
> between all of your customers on that one access point?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>  And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>
> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>
> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
> 10 Meg.
>
> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'"  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>
>
>  Jeff,
>
> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>
>
>  the
>
>
>  events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>
>
>  to
>
>
>  define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>
>
>  the
>
>
>  US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> Administration.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>
>
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>
>  164_pf.html
>
> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>
> By Cecilia Kang
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>
> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
> Internet
> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
>
>
>  and
>
>
>  spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>
> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
>
>
>  and
>
>
>  building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
> broadband
> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
> coalition.
>
> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
>
>
>  to
>
>
>  every consumer.
>
> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
>
>
>  the
>
>
>  government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
> use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
> neutrality --
> the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
> slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
> beyond their differences.
>
> "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
>
>
>  have
>
>
>  a
> broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
> ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
> group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
> that will require difficult choices."
>
> At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
> economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
> 10
> nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
> The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
> high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
> roads and phone service.
>
> Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
> received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
> networking tools and community Web pages k

Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

Well, yeah.  So who would be pushing the "broadband is above 10 meg" canard 
anyway?  I know of no present common internet application that needs in 
excess of 3mbit to work well.   Perhaps as you suggested, the speed was 
chosen as a specific elimenation of most wireless and copper based DSL.

For the vast majority of things, even 1mbit is "adequate".   I often show my 
clients the TV network's websites and let them see the tv episodes available 
online, and 2mbit seems to be well more than required to watch them.   I 
don't think this is going to be necessarily true in the coming years.  I 
chose 2mbit when I did because I figured on a 4 year lifespan.  Looks more 
like that'll be 5-7 years.

The next question is, what's the next level of "adequate" for network 
design, and can we keep that from being officially declared "obsolete" 
before it gest there?

I know that around here, the cable co offers in excess of 10mbit, but it 
costs something like 120/mo when bundled with TV.  That raises the 
question... who's willing to up the price for internet from 35-40 to over 
100 to have "broadband"?   I think that moving the definition will result in 
a lot of consumer rejection of that high of speeds and "worsen" the 
political numbers of "broadband".   There's nothing as hypocritical as 
moving the goalposts to claim that you need government feeding and care in 
order to provide a "needed service".






- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> The article represents thoughts of individual members of this group in its
> initial meeting. I see trouble with some of the things noted. Especially
> things like saying "we now acknowledge there is a broadband problem". I 
> did
> not like the definition of broadband as "10 megabit or more" either. This 
> is
> definitely an attempt to force fiber into everyone's diet. At least WISPA
> has a seat in this group and hopefully we can fend off some of this forced
> fiber rhetoric. Rick, was your impression of the outcomes of this meeting 
> in
> contrast to those stated in the article? I hope so or this group will not
> help, and in fact will hurt, the WISP industry.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>>
>> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>>
>> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as 
>> over
>> 10 Meg.
>>
>> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>>
>> > Jeff,
>> >
>> > Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>> the
>> > events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>> to
>> > define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
>> > players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>> the
>> > US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a 
>> > busy
>> > three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
>> > Administration.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Rick Harnish
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Article
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>> > 164_pf.html
>> >
>> > New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>> >
>> > By Cecilia Kang
>> > Washington Post Staff Writer
>> > Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>> >
>> > President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
>> > Internet
>> > service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
>> and
>> > spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
>> > telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
>> > frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next 
>> > president
>> > with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>> >
>> > That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
>> > public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
>> and
>> > building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
>> > public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
>> > broadband
>> > policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
>> > coalition.
>> >
>> > The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
>> > group, wh

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Chuck McCown - 3]

PC is much more spendy than Plat.  That is one of the reasons we did not go 
with PC.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system


>
> Advantage or Disadvantage?
>
> Actually Powercode integrates with Imagestream routers.
> Personally, I think the PowerCode/Imagestream platform was probably the 
> best
> value proposition on the market for a solution to manage WISPs that was
> commercially available and complete.
> Something someone should definately look into, if they are starting new, 
> and
> not locked into a platform yet.
>
> However, I personally, chose against it, for the same reason. I was 
> already
> locked into a methodology, and the value wasn't there for me, if I
> unnecesssarilly had to start replacing routers to get full advantage of 
> the
> software.
>
> But I'd argue Logisense (engage IP) also had the same flaw. The
> equipment/provisioning/BW management features were only
> integrated/compatible with their proprietary BW management hardware router
> device. After I bought it, I never ended up using it. (But it was my first
> choice at the time for many reasons)
>
> Both these platforms still offer significant value even if you don't use 
> the
> router integration features, and it solves many problems for WISPs. But
> ultimately it means jumping into a platform that leads to never having a
> complete solution as an end game, if you don;t embrace their hardware
> vendor. As a result, I chose to just stay with Quickbooks, and create
> in-house, and not address it until I absolutely had to.  I'll admit, I'm 
> not
> sure that I made the right choice.
>
> WISPA also has a another vendor member, IntraMeta, that has a nice
> operations management system, but they did not have teh billing components
> integrated yet, which I feel are the most important. But I know they are
> working on the billing pieces.
>
> What ever happened to OptiGold?  5 years ago, when we were debating the
> accounting topic on ISP-LISTs, the winner was OptiGold. WISPs loved it. I
> wonder how many of those WISPs are still using it, and still loving it?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
>
>>I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer top
>> posting because I don't have to hunt for information...  unless it is
>> addressing many points, which you did, I did not.  The entire email fits
>> on
>> my screen, so I saw it all.  ;-)  Here is my end of the bickering over
>> trivial things.
>>
>> Freeside can do the ticketing through RT integration and you can use
>> ticketing (albeit not gracefully) to track leads to installs.  It cannot
>> do
>> the scheduling to the best of my ability.
>>
>> He also said it doesn't have to be one application, therefore I provided
>> what I knew handled most of the requirements quite well.
>>
>> I guess to further add to my previous post, Mikrotik's The Dude is a 
>> great
>> network monitor.  Maybe it does, but I wish it had the ability to be
>> integrated with.  Sure the open source ones do, but they're a PITA to
>> setup.
>>
>> Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
>> When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their 
>> BMU
>> or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
>> time ago in Internet time.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
information.
>>>
>>> While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
>>> he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
>>> for FreeSide without question.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
>>> remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>>>
>Some things it has to have:
>>>
>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>>>
>>> FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>>>
>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>>>
>>> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
>>> these CRM requirements.
>>

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Chuck McCown - 3]

amen
We love Plat.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system


> Platypus
>
> Been using it for years, does everything.
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Josh Luthman]

Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the
Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot
of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units
which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> UDP 88
> UDP and TCP 3074
>
> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox
> 360.  360 will need a static IP.
>
>
> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to
> 192.168.200.50/24
>
> net = wpci1
> client = ether1
>
> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net
> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the
> > client's NATing routers.
> >
> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are...  ;-)
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >
> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
> >>
> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
> >>
> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
> >>
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >>
> >>
> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests
> >>> the
> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >>>
>  upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: "WISPA General List" 
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> 
> 
> > Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port
> forwarded
> > to
> > the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I
> dunno
> > what
> > to do about that.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >
> >> What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings in
> a
> >> router
> >> that I set up for a customer.
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >>
> >>
> >>> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the
> best
> >>> pick
> >>> of people to connect with.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> >>>
> > Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have
> > dominated
> > the
> > market for a while.
> >
> > Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games.  I am confident
> > Halo
> > and
> > Call of Duty have the majority of games.  I can't verify that
> Call
> > of
> > Duty
> > does games p2p versus client-server, though.
> 
>  One player in the match will be selected as the server based on
> the
>  quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5.  Its too bad they
> 

Re: [WISPA] Article

[John Scrivner]

The article represents thoughts of individual members of this group in its
initial meeting. I see trouble with some of the things noted. Especially
things like saying "we now acknowledge there is a broadband problem". I did
not like the definition of broadband as "10 megabit or more" either. This is
definitely an attempt to force fiber into everyone's diet. At least WISPA
has a seat in this group and hopefully we can fend off some of this forced
fiber rhetoric. Rick, was your impression of the outcomes of this meeting in
contrast to those stated in the article? I hope so or this group will not
help, and in fact will hurt, the WISP industry.
Scriv


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>
> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>
> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
> 10 Meg.
>
> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
> the
> > events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
> to
> > define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> > players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
> the
> > US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> > three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> > Administration.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Article
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
> > 164_pf.html
> >
> > New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
> >
> > By Cecilia Kang
> > Washington Post Staff Writer
> > Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
> >
> > President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
> > Internet
> > service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
> and
> > spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> > telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
> > frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
> > with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
> >
> > That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
> > public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
> and
> > building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
> > public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
> > broadband
> > policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
> > coalition.
> >
> > The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
> > group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
> to
> > every consumer.
> >
> > Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
> the
> > government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
> > use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
> > neutrality --
> > the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
> > slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
> > beyond their differences.
> >
> > "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
> have
> > a
> > broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
> > ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
> > group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
> > that will require difficult choices."
> >
> > At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
> > economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
> > 10
> > nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
> > The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
> > high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
> > roads and phone service.
> >
> > Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
> > received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
> > networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect
> > citizens
> > to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
> > technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.
> >
> > So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Ob

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Chad Halsted]

UDP 88
UDP and TCP 3074

those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox
360.  360 will need a static IP.


we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to
192.168.200.50/24

net = wpci1
client = ether1

forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net
forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net
forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the
> client's NATing routers.
>
> I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are...  ;-)
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
>>
>> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
>>
>> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
>>
>>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests
>>> the
>>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>>
 upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?

 - Original Message -
 From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues


> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded
> to
> the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I dunno
> what
> to do about that.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>> What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings in a
>> router
>> that I set up for a customer.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
>>
>>> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best
>>> pick
>>> of people to connect with.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>>
> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have
> dominated
> the
> market for a while.
>
> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games.  I am confident
> Halo
> and
> Call of Duty have the majority of games.  I can't verify that Call
> of
> Duty
> does games p2p versus client-server, though.

 One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the
 quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5.  Its too bad they
 did
 not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games.

 I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match
 have a crappy connection its the server.  If its just them then it
 'might' be a problem with there connection.  I have seen a number of
 users with NAT issues on there router though.  Also, many times they
 connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that
 connection goes crappy.

 Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Tim Barker]

While you guys are on the topic could I also ask you to look at our
offering?

We've been selling hot spot systems for the hospitality industry since 2004
but over the past year have started putting together a package for WISPs.
We've branded the WISP solution Avansu (http://www.avansu.com).

Avansu is a B/OSS provided entirely as a service (via the browser), no
software to install. AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but
once installed can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our firmware
ported to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all
the time.

Avansu offers the following:
- Billing (subscriptions, credit card payments, scratch cards etc)
- Remote management, configuration and reboot of APs and CPEs
- Monitoring and alerting via SMS and email (with automated failover if
available)
- Fully customizable login pages for CPEs and APs (including own domain)
- Fully customizable credit card billing and subscription pages (including
own domain)
- Reports on usage and revenue for single nodes, groups of nodes or the
whole system

The main advantage of Avansu is that APs and CPEs work the same no matter
what hardware (vendor) is used. Once the Avansu firmware is installed nodes
can be deployed by simply copying configuration parameters from one unit to
another via the server.

We're still in beta for WISPs, we'll be launching fully in January 2009.
Until launch we're offering free accounts so let me know off list if you'd
like to try our system.

Sorry for the self promotion but you guys were discussing the topic, I
couldn't help myself ;-)


Tim Barker

Fire4 Systems (UK) Ltd.
Round Foundry Media Centre,
Foundry Street,
Leeds,
LS11 5QP,
UK

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UK Tel: +44 (0)7976 122 191
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http://www.wispzone.com


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> >While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
> >to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
> >information.
>
> While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
> he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
> for FreeSide without question.
>
> Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
> remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>
> >>Some things it has to have:
>
> >>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
> >>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>
> FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>
> >>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
> >>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>
> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> these CRM requirements.
>
> >>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
> >>customer... <- major importance.
>
> This is what FS does "for a living".
>
> >>Credit Card processing.
>
> This, too.
>
> >>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
> >>Customer portal.
>
> Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
>
> >>Things that would be a bonus
> >>Inventory management
> >>Network monitoring
>
> FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
>
> See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
>
>
> --
> 
> * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member   *
> * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[jeremyd]

If you don't choose Freeside, I consider Platypus the next best option.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis, CEO
Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
www.maximumtech.us



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:27 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
> Platypus
>
> Been using it for years, does everything.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[jeremyd]

> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> these CRM requirements.

This is doable in freeside with the integrated ticketing system.  We've done 
things like take leads from the website via a form which loads a ticket up in 
the ticket system from there it is just a matter of clicking a link to make 
them a customer.  You can also add potential customers to the system without a 
billing package and they show up as a prospective customer.

> >>Things that would be a bonus
> >>Inventory management
> >>Network monitoring
>

Inventory management can be done in Freeside.  Typically we push configuration 
files to most NMS systems that have hooks.  I have exporting info from freeside 
to cacti and nagios in the past.  My biggest issue with NMS built into the 
billing system is that it is kind of insecure.  Your entire network shouldn't 
be able to reach your billing system.  You can obviously add firewalls

> See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
>

Inline posting ftw :)

Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis, CEO
Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
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Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

So can mine.   But not when I have 40-60 clients on one 5 ghz AP.I sell 
WHAT I CAN DELIVER and there's nowhere near enough spectrum available to 
limit your client numbers per AP to be able to reliably do 10M at least 23.5 
hours per day to any client.   When the typical client can't get at least 
75% of his promised speed at ANY time of the day or night, that's it.  No 
more clients on that AP, and I've been known to remove clients to balance 
AP's so that everyone's speed remains good.

Not a single 5 ghz ap of mine has clients closer than a mile.  The majority 
are 3 to 8 miles.  Some beyond that.  Distance alone has a huge hit on 
performance, whether you can keep the radio rates up or not.

Not to mention, exactly how many have 10+ mbit available to begin with?   I 
might be sitting pretty in this regard, as both my providers have 100M 
burstable to me, but how many rurals have such privileged conditions?   Few, 
I suspect.







- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...
>
> The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth 
> tests
> show 26 megs.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>>
>> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>>
>> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as 
>> over
>> 10 Meg.
>>
>> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>>
>> > Jeff,
>> >
>> > Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>> the
>> > events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>> to
>> > define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
>> > players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>> the
>> > US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a 
>> > busy
>> > three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
>> > Administration.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Rick Harnish
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Article
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>> > 164_pf.html
>> >
>> > New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>> >
>> > By Cecilia Kang
>> > Washington Post Staff Writer
>> > Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>> >
>> > President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
>> > Internet
>> > service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
>> and
>> > spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
>> > telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
>> > frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next 
>> > president
>> > with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>> >
>> > That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
>> > public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
>> and
>> > building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
>> > public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
>> > broadband
>> > policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
>> > coalition.
>> >
>> > The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
>> > group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
>> to
>> > every consumer.
>> >
>> > Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
>> the
>> > government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, 
>> > the
>> > use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
>> > neutrality --
>> > the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
>> > slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to 
>> > move
>> > beyond their differences.
>> >
>> > "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
>> have
>> > a
>> > broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
>> > ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
>> > group. "The key is

Re: [WISPA] Article

[3-dB Networks]

Well if you look at this article looks like most people are getting less
than a meg anyways:
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp

Makes me wonder how many DSL and Cable shops wouldn't be broadband either
under the 10Mb rule even in Metro areas (around my area I don't think
Comcast and Qwest quite get there consistently... maybe in new
neighborhoods)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> 
> That is a TERRIBLE idea.
> 
> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?   Please.
> 
> It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on
> capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares
> of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be
> mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of
> confidence
> in our business models...
> 
> Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a
> majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a handful
> sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my back
> already!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> 
> 
> >I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining
> > broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
> > Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member of
> > teh
> > Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for policies.
> > It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather to
> > compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
> > WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence and
> > educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence, is
> > to
> > change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband.
> 10mbps
> > is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably
> > eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
> > But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL typical
> > speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax
> > incentives.
> > If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens the
> > door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy to
> > invest in WISP's deployment of such markets.
> >
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> >
> >
> >> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> >> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
> >>
> >> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
> >>
> >> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as
> >> over
> >> 10 Meg.
> >>
> >> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jeff,
> >>>
> >>> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
> >>> the
> >>> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to
> Action
> >>> to
> >>> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> >>> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
> >>> the
> >>> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a
> busy
> >>> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> >>> Administration.
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>> Rick Harnish
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> >>> To: 'WISPA General List'
> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Article
> >>>
> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
> dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
> >>> 164_pf.html
> >>>
> >>> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
> >>>
> >>> By Cecilia Kang
> >>> Washington Post Staff Writer
> >>> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
> >>>
> >>> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
> >>> Internet
> >>> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
> >>> and
> >>> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> >>> telecommunications compa

Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

That is a TERRIBLE idea.

To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?   Please.

It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on 
capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares 
of our companies to investors, if we had gaurantees that we would not be 
mandated to do anything expensive, so we could have some kind of confidence 
in our business models...

Those are FAR more conducive to the success of all of us, than to put a 
majority of us outside the standard of 'broadband' in return for a handful 
sucking at the taxpayer teat in DC - We're all taxpayers, get off my back 
already!





- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


>I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining
> broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
> Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member of 
> teh
> Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for policies.
> It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather to
> compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
> WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence and
> educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence, is 
> to
> change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband. 10mbps
> is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably
> eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
> But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL typical
> speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax
> incentives.
> If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens the
> door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy to
> invest in WISP's deployment of such markets.
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>>
>> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>>
>> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as 
>> over
>> 10 Meg.
>>
>> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>>> the
>>> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>>> to
>>> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
>>> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>>> the
>>> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
>>> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
>>> Administration.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Rick Harnish
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>>> 164_pf.html
>>>
>>> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>>>
>>> By Cecilia Kang
>>> Washington Post Staff Writer
>>> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>>>
>>> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
>>> Internet
>>> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
>>> and
>>> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
>>> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
>>> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
>>> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>>>
>>> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
>>> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
>>> and
>>> building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
>>> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
>>> broadband
>>> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
>>> coalition.
>>>
>>> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
>>> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
>>> to
>>> every consumer.
>>>
>>> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
>>> the
>>> government shou

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Jack Unger]

Josh Luthman wrote:

  My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...

The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
show 26 megs.
  

So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb
between all of your customers on that one access point?

  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message -
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article




  Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
  

the


  events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
  

to


  define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
  

the


  US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Article


  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203


  164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
  

and


  spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
  

and


  building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
broadband
policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
  

to


  every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
  

the


  government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
neutrality --
the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
  

have


  a
broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
10
nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
roads and phone service.

Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect
citizens
to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.

So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.

Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
defin

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Tom DeReggi]

I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining 
broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs.
Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member of teh 
Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for policies.
It simply means we endorse the intent of the group, to work togeather to 
compromise and debate the best national broadband policy.
WISPA being a member of the group is what allows WISPA to influence and 
educate the group on WISPs, and one issue to heavilly push influence, is to 
change their viewpoint on the minimum speed qualified as Broadband. 10mbps 
is way to high, and if that position stayed long term, I'd probably 
eventually have to drop endorsement for the group.
But I believe raising teh requirement for "broadband" above DSL typical 
speed is critical, in order to help get WISP's grants and and Tax 
incentives.
If we can disqualify typical DSL as Broadband (sub 3 mbps), it opens the 
door wide open to call so many more markets "underserved" and worthy to 
invest in WISP's deployment of such markets.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>
> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>
> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
> 10 Meg.
>
> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in 
>> the
>> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action 
>> to
>> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
>> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring 
>> the
>> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
>> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
>> Administration.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>> 164_pf.html
>>
>> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>>
>> By Cecilia Kang
>> Washington Post Staff Writer
>> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>>
>> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
>> Internet
>> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth 
>> and
>> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
>> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
>> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
>> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>>
>> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
>> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading 
>> and
>> building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
>> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
>> broadband
>> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
>> coalition.
>>
>> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
>> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access 
>> to
>> every consumer.
>>
>> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether 
>> the
>> government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
>> use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
>> neutrality --
>> the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
>> slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
>> beyond their differences.
>>
>> "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we 
>> have
>> a
>> broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
>> ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
>> group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
>> that will require difficult choices."
>>
>> At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
>> economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
>> 10
>> nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
>> The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
>> high-speed In

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Tom DeReggi]

They are not calling for defining the max capacity of a technology.
They are calling for defining the speed that you can make available to every 
end user.
10mbps would call every 900Mhz or Whitespace single channel WISP NOT 
broadband.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...
>
> The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth 
> tests
> show 26 megs.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
>> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>>
>> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>>
>> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as 
>> over
>> 10 Meg.
>>
>> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>>
>>
>> > Jeff,
>> >
>> > Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
>> the
>> > events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
>> to
>> > define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
>> > players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
>> the
>> > US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a 
>> > busy
>> > three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
>> > Administration.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Rick Harnish
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Article
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
>> > 164_pf.html
>> >
>> > New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>> >
>> > By Cecilia Kang
>> > Washington Post Staff Writer
>> > Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>> >
>> > President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
>> > Internet
>> > service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
>> and
>> > spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
>> > telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
>> > frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next 
>> > president
>> > with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>> >
>> > That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
>> > public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
>> and
>> > building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
>> > public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
>> > broadband
>> > policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
>> > coalition.
>> >
>> > The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
>> > group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
>> to
>> > every consumer.
>> >
>> > Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
>> the
>> > government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, 
>> > the
>> > use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
>> > neutrality --
>> > the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
>> > slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to 
>> > move
>> > beyond their differences.
>> >
>> > "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
>> have
>> > a
>> > broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
>> > ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
>> > group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy 
>> > solutions
>> > that will require difficult choices."
>> >
>> > At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
>> > economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the 
>> > top
>> > 10
>> > nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several 
>> > years.
>> > The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access 
>> > to
>> > high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with 
>> > electricity,
>> > roads and phone service.
>> >
>> > Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
>> > received 370,000 donations online. H

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Tom DeReggi]

Thats an unfair statement.

Yes, I agree, without a BMU, it does not unlease the power of Powercode.
However, Powercode without a BMU, is still much more than a 
billing/ticketing system.

I'm not a PowerCode expert, so I am in no way the right person to defend the 
product, or report its features. But I saw other features of value...
For example Asset/equipment  management. Sales/opportunity management. Its 
been a year, and don;t remember exactly, but there were significant 
features.

There are hundreds of billing and ticketing systems, but not many of them 
really address the little details specific to WISPs. PowerCode does so 
better.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system


> >Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
>>When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU
>>or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
>>time ago in Internet time.
>
> PowerCode without a BMU is just a billing and ticketing platform.  It 
> still
> works but it really doesn't unleash the fury that is PowerCode without a
> BMU.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer 
>> top
>> posting because I don't have to hunt for information...  unless it is
>> addressing many points, which you did, I did not.  The entire email fits 
>> on
>> my screen, so I saw it all.  ;-)  Here is my end of the bickering over
>> trivial things.
>>
>> Freeside can do the ticketing through RT integration and you can use
>> ticketing (albeit not gracefully) to track leads to installs.  It cannot 
>> do
>> the scheduling to the best of my ability.
>>
>> He also said it doesn't have to be one application, therefore I provided
>> what I knew handled most of the requirements quite well.
>>
>> I guess to further add to my previous post, Mikrotik's The Dude is a 
>> great
>> network monitor.  Maybe it does, but I wish it had the ability to be
>> integrated with.  Sure the open source ones do, but they're a PITA to
>> setup.
>>
>> Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
>> When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their 
>> BMU
>> or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
>> time ago in Internet time.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>>
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >
>> >>While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
>> >>to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
>> >>information.
>> >
>> > While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
>> > he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
>> > for FreeSide without question.
>> >
>> > Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
>> > remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>> >
>> >>>Some things it has to have:
>> >
>> >>>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
>> >>>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>> >
>> > FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>> >
>> >>>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
>> >>>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>> >
>> > Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
>> > these CRM requirements.
>> >
>> >>>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
>> >>>customer... <- major importance.
>> >
>> > This is what FS does "for a living".
>> >
>> >>>Credit Card processing.
>> >
>> > This, too.
>> >
>> >>>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
>> >>>Customer portal.
>> >
>> > Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
>> >
>> >>>Things that would be a bonus
>> >>>Inventory management
>> >>>Network monitoring
>> >
>> > FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
>> >
>> > See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
>> > anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
>> > Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > 
>> > * Butch Evans * Professional Networ

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Tom DeReggi]

Advantage or Disadvantage?

Actually Powercode integrates with Imagestream routers.
Personally, I think the PowerCode/Imagestream platform was probably the best 
value proposition on the market for a solution to manage WISPs that was 
commercially available and complete.
Something someone should definately look into, if they are starting new, and 
not locked into a platform yet.

However, I personally, chose against it, for the same reason. I was already 
locked into a methodology, and the value wasn't there for me, if I 
unnecesssarilly had to start replacing routers to get full advantage of the 
software.

But I'd argue Logisense (engage IP) also had the same flaw. The 
equipment/provisioning/BW management features were only 
integrated/compatible with their proprietary BW management hardware router 
device. After I bought it, I never ended up using it. (But it was my first 
choice at the time for many reasons)

Both these platforms still offer significant value even if you don't use the 
router integration features, and it solves many problems for WISPs. But 
ultimately it means jumping into a platform that leads to never having a 
complete solution as an end game, if you don;t embrace their hardware 
vendor. As a result, I chose to just stay with Quickbooks, and create 
in-house, and not address it until I absolutely had to.  I'll admit, I'm not 
sure that I made the right choice.

WISPA also has a another vendor member, IntraMeta, that has a nice 
operations management system, but they did not have teh billing components 
integrated yet, which I feel are the most important. But I know they are 
working on the billing pieces.

What ever happened to OptiGold?  5 years ago, when we were debating the 
accounting topic on ISP-LISTs, the winner was OptiGold. WISPs loved it. I 
wonder how many of those WISPs are still using it, and still loving it?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system


>I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer top
> posting because I don't have to hunt for information...  unless it is
> addressing many points, which you did, I did not.  The entire email fits 
> on
> my screen, so I saw it all.  ;-)  Here is my end of the bickering over
> trivial things.
>
> Freeside can do the ticketing through RT integration and you can use
> ticketing (albeit not gracefully) to track leads to installs.  It cannot 
> do
> the scheduling to the best of my ability.
>
> He also said it doesn't have to be one application, therefore I provided
> what I knew handled most of the requirements quite well.
>
> I guess to further add to my previous post, Mikrotik's The Dude is a great
> network monitor.  Maybe it does, but I wish it had the ability to be
> integrated with.  Sure the open source ones do, but they're a PITA to 
> setup.
>
> Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
> When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU
> or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
> time ago in Internet time.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>>While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
>>>to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
>>>information.
>>
>> While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
>> he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
>> for FreeSide without question.
>>
>> Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
>> remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>>
Some things it has to have:
>>
A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>>
>> FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>>
Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>>
>> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
>> these CRM requirements.
>>
Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
customer... <- major importance.
>>
>> This is what FS does "for a living".
>>
Credit Card processing.
>>
>> This, too.
>>
Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
Customer portal.
>>
>> Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
>>
Things that would be a bonus
Inventory management
Network monitoring

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Josh Luthman]

My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs...

The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs.  Real bandwidth tests
show 26 megs.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
> industry = pay off Unions for votes.
>
> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
>
> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
> 10 Meg.
>
> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
> the
> > events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action
> to
> > define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> > players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring
> the
> > US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> > three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> > Administration.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Article
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
> > 164_pf.html
> >
> > New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
> >
> > By Cecilia Kang
> > Washington Post Staff Writer
> > Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
> >
> > President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
> > Internet
> > service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth
> and
> > spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> > telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
> > frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
> > with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
> >
> > That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
> > public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
> and
> > building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
> > public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
> > broadband
> > policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
> > coalition.
> >
> > The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
> > group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
> to
> > every consumer.
> >
> > Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
> the
> > government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
> > use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
> > neutrality --
> > the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
> > slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
> > beyond their differences.
> >
> > "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
> have
> > a
> > broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
> > ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
> > group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
> > that will require difficult choices."
> >
> > At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
> > economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
> > 10
> > nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
> > The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
> > high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
> > roads and phone service.
> >
> > Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
> > received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
> > networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect
> > citizens
> > to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
> > technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.
> >
> > So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
> > plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.
> >
> > Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
> > supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
> > definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by
> 2010.
> > The current definition

Re: [WISPA] Article

[reader]

And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to 
industry = pay off Unions for votes.

We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.

Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over 
10 Meg.

Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...







- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article


> Jeff,
>
> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in the
> events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action to
> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring the
> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
> Administration.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Article
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
> 164_pf.html
>
> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy
>
> By Cecilia Kang
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03
>
> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed 
> Internet
> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth and
> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.
>
> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading and
> building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on 
> broadband
> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
> coalition.
>
> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access to
> every consumer.
>
> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether the
> government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
> use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net 
> neutrality --
> the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
> slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
> beyond their differences.
>
> "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we have 
> a
> broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
> ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
> group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
> that will require difficult choices."
>
> At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
> economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top 
> 10
> nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
> The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
> high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
> roads and phone service.
>
> Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
> received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
> networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect 
> citizens
> to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
> technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.
>
> So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
> plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.
>
> Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
> supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
> definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by 2010.
> The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is 768
> kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many other
> nations.
>
> Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would be
> expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the coalition
> could push for laws that would achieve lower prices and higher speeds
> through more wireless and telecom competitors, but that could cause 
> further
> disagreement among members, Scott said.
>
> Some have already suggested requesting funds from the federal economic
> stimulus plan for broadband deploy

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Josh Luthman]

>Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
>When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU
>or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
>time ago in Internet time.

PowerCode without a BMU is just a billing and ticketing platform.  It still
works but it really doesn't unleash the fury that is PowerCode without a
BMU.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer top
> posting because I don't have to hunt for information...  unless it is
> addressing many points, which you did, I did not.  The entire email fits on
> my screen, so I saw it all.  ;-)  Here is my end of the bickering over
> trivial things.
>
> Freeside can do the ticketing through RT integration and you can use
> ticketing (albeit not gracefully) to track leads to installs.  It cannot do
> the scheduling to the best of my ability.
>
> He also said it doesn't have to be one application, therefore I provided
> what I knew handled most of the requirements quite well.
>
> I guess to further add to my previous post, Mikrotik's The Dude is a great
> network monitor.  Maybe it does, but I wish it had the ability to be
> integrated with.  Sure the open source ones do, but they're a PITA to
> setup.
>
> Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not.
> When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU
> or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long
> time ago in Internet time.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> >>While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
> >>to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
> >>information.
> >
> > While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
> > he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
> > for FreeSide without question.
> >
> > Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
> > remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
> >
> >>>Some things it has to have:
> >
> >>>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
> >>>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
> >
> > FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
> >
> >>>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
> >>>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
> >
> > Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> > these CRM requirements.
> >
> >>>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
> >>>customer... <- major importance.
> >
> > This is what FS does "for a living".
> >
> >>>Credit Card processing.
> >
> > This, too.
> >
> >>>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
> >>>Customer portal.
> >
> > Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
> >
> >>>Things that would be a bonus
> >>>Inventory management
> >>>Network monitoring
> >
> > FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
> >
> > See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> > anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> > Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
> > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering*
> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member*
> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks*
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Mike Hammett]

I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer top 
posting because I don't have to hunt for information...  unless it is 
addressing many points, which you did, I did not.  The entire email fits on 
my screen, so I saw it all.  ;-)  Here is my end of the bickering over 
trivial things.

Freeside can do the ticketing through RT integration and you can use 
ticketing (albeit not gracefully) to track leads to installs.  It cannot do 
the scheduling to the best of my ability.

He also said it doesn't have to be one application, therefore I provided 
what I knew handled most of the requirements quite well.

I guess to further add to my previous post, Mikrotik's The Dude is a great 
network monitor.  Maybe it does, but I wish it had the ability to be 
integrated with.  Sure the open source ones do, but they're a PITA to setup.

Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not. 
When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU 
or their software won't really do anything for me.  Yes, this was a long 
time ago in Internet time.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:02 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>>While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like
>>to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more
>>information.
>
> While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what
> he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man
> for FreeSide without question.
>
> Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't
> remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...
>
>>>Some things it has to have:
>
>>>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto
>>>shutdown for delinquent accounts.
>
> FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.
>
>>>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble
>>>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.
>
> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill
> these CRM requirements.
>
>>>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
>>>customer... <- major importance.
>
> This is what FS does "for a living".
>
>>>Credit Card processing.
>
> This, too.
>
>>>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
>>>Customer portal.
>
> Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.
>
>>>Things that would be a bonus
>>>Inventory management
>>>Network monitoring
>
> FS isn't equipped to do either of these.
>
> See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and
> anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation.
> Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.
>
>
> -- 
> 
> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering*
> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member*
> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks*
> 
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits

[Tom DeReggi]

Yeah, why build and provide it, when there is so much demand to sit back and 
study it :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits


> Oh brother.  More hand wringing and money spending.
>
> No answers to the problems.
>
> sigh
>
> Stupid government.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:49 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits
>
>
>> I'll send to the Illinois and the main WISPA lists.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Croke, Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:44 PM
>> To: "Brown Hodge, Carolyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits
>>
>>> The Illinois Department of Commerce & Economic Opportunity (DCEO) is
>>> seeking to fund a nonprofit organization with a record of implementing
>>> successful broadband deployment and demand creation initiatives.  I've
>>> attached the $4 million Request for Proposals (RFP) required by the 2007
>>> High Speed Internet Services and Information Technology Act (also
>>> attached).
>>>
>>> The proposal deadline is January 12, 2009 at 1:00PM. Here's a summary of
>>> the opportunity:
>>>
>>> 3 GOALS of the RFP include:
>>>
>>> *Ensuring residents and businesses have access to affordable and
>>> reliable high-speed Internet service
>>> *Improving technology literacy, increasing computer ownership and
>>> high-speed Internet use among residents and businesses
>>> *Establishing an environment for high-speed Internet access and
>>> technology investment
>>>
>>> 5 RESPONSIBILITIES of the nonprofit will include:
>>>
>>> -- Creating a geographic statewide inventory of broadband service and
>>> other relevant information technology services
>>>
>>> -- Tracking statewide residential and business adoption of high speed
>>> Internet, computers, related information technology and any barriers to
>>> adoption
>>>
>>> -- Building and facilitating a local technology planning team in each
>>> county
>>>
>>> -- Collaborating with technology companies to encourage broadband
>>> deployment and use
>>>
>>> -- Developing a program to increase computer ownership and broadband
>>> access for disenfranchised populations
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Croke
>>> Office of Lt. Governor Pat Quinn
>>> Springfield, IL 62706
>>>
>>> 217.558.2929 office
>>> 312.285.0745 mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> 
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Article

[Patrick Leary]

Nice work Rick and it's great to see WISPA take part.

Patrick 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article

Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in
the events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to
Action to define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see
all the players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to
bring the US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will
be a busy three months while this strategy is defined and presented to
the Obama Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR200812
0203
164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed
Internet service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic
growth and spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology
and telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest
groups frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next
president with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading
and building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T
and public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on
broadband policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly
formed coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access
to every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether
the government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can
hold, the use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net
neutrality -- the notion that network operators should be prevented from
blocking or slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an
effort to move beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we
have a broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two
years ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member
of the group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy
solutions that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top
10 nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several
years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with
electricity, roads and phone service.

Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect
citizens to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive
upgrades to technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband,
Internet.

So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.

Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by
2010.
The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is 768
kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many
other nations.

Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would be
expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the coalition
could push for laws that would achieve lower prices and higher speeds
through more wireless and telecom competitors, but that could cause
further disagreement among members, Scott said.

Some have already suggested requesting funds from the federal economic
stimulus plan for broadband deployment. Yesterday, an aide to House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Pelosi was in favor of that idea.

AT&T chief lobbyist Jim Cicconi said the company has moved closer to the
view of public interest groups and Google that the Web should be open
for all users without discrimination of technology and content on their
network.
But unlike Free Press and consumer groups, AT&T opposes new laws or
rules on net neutrality, saying

Re: [WISPA] Article

[Rick Harnish]

Jeff,

Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in the
events below.  WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action to
define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy.  It was great to see all the
players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring the
US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder.  It will be a busy
three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the Obama
Administration.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth and
spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading and
building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on broadband
policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access to
every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether the
government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net neutrality --
the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we have a
broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top 10
nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
roads and phone service.

Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect citizens
to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.

So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.

Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by 2010.
The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is 768
kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many other
nations.

Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would be
expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the coalition
could push for laws that would achieve lower prices and higher speeds
through more wireless and telecom competitors, but that could cause further
disagreement among members, Scott said.

Some have already suggested requesting funds from the federal economic
stimulus plan for broadband deployment. Yesterday, an aide to House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Pelosi was in favor of that idea.

AT&T chief lobbyist Jim Cicconi said the company has moved closer to the
view of public interest groups and Google that the Web should be open for
all users without discrimination of technology and content on their network.
But unlike Free Press and consumer groups, AT&T opposes new laws or rules on
net neutrality, saying Federal Communications Commission rules are
sufficient, and any violation should be handled on a case-by-case basis.

"There will be significant outstanding debates that will be very tough and
there will still be daylight between the groups on many, many issues," sai

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[John McDowell]

I second that emotion Brian...very cool tools you guys are cooking up.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Brian Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> And in the very near future PowerCode will also be able to integrate
> coverage mapping should you decide to do so. John and I have it working but
> it just needs a few things cleaned up to make it ready for prime time.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anthony Will wrote:
>
> >Some things it has to have: A system that integrates with a
> >bandwidth management and auto shutdown for delinquent accounts. Can
> >process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets
> >afterward including installer scheduling. can actually accurately
> >and consistently send a bill by email to a customer... <-
> >major importance. Credit Card processing. Decent and totally
> >customizable report generating system. Customer portal.
>
> >Things that would be a bonus
> >Inventory management
> >Network monitoring
>
> Sounds like you're describing Powercode.  It reads like an
> advertisement for them anyway.  I'll send you an email offlist with
> some questions and details.
>
> > I apologize for the cross post,
>
> It's ok..I didn't cross post the answer.  :-)
>
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[Jeff Broadwick]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203
164_pf.html

New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03

President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed Internet
service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic growth and
spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and
telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups
frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next president
with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals.

That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and
public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in upgrading and
building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T and
public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on broadband
policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed
coalition.

The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by the
group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet access to
every consumer.

Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on whether the
government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can hold, the
use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net neutrality --
the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking or
slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to move
beyond their differences.

"The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we have a
broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two years
ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of the
group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy solutions
that will require difficult choices."

At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and
economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the top 10
nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several years.
The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access to
high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with electricity,
roads and phone service.

Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and
received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social
networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect citizens
to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to
technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet.

So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors Obama's
plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said.

Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the union
supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to increase
definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by 2010.
The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is 768
kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many other
nations.

Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would be
expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the coalition
could push for laws that would achieve lower prices and higher speeds
through more wireless and telecom competitors, but that could cause further
disagreement among members, Scott said.

Some have already suggested requesting funds from the federal economic
stimulus plan for broadband deployment. Yesterday, an aide to House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Pelosi was in favor of that idea.

AT&T chief lobbyist Jim Cicconi said the company has moved closer to the
view of public interest groups and Google that the Web should be open for
all users without discrimination of technology and content on their network.
But unlike Free Press and consumer groups, AT&T opposes new laws or rules on
net neutrality, saying Federal Communications Commission rules are
sufficient, and any violation should be handled on a case-by-case basis.

"There will be significant outstanding debates that will be very tough and
there will still be daylight between the groups on many, many issues," said
Rebecca Arbogast, an analyst at investment firm Stifel Nicolaus. "But both
sides are in a phase right now where they are emphasizing how much they
share in terms of their views on what is an appropriate framework for
looking at this issue."




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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Brian Webster]

And in the very near future PowerCode will also be able to integrate
coverage mapping should you decide to do so. John and I have it working but
it just needs a few things cleaned up to make it ready for prime time.



Thank You,
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www.wirelessmapping.com 


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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anthony Will wrote:

>Some things it has to have: A system that integrates with a
>bandwidth management and auto shutdown for delinquent accounts. Can
>process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets
>afterward including installer scheduling. can actually accurately
>and consistently send a bill by email to a customer... <-
>major importance. Credit Card processing. Decent and totally
>customizable report generating system. Customer portal.

>Things that would be a bonus
>Inventory management
>Network monitoring

Sounds like you're describing Powercode.  It reads like an
advertisement for them anyway.  I'll send you an email offlist with
some questions and details.

> I apologize for the cross post,

It's ok..I didn't cross post the answer.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[George Rogato]

Platypus

Been using it for years, does everything.





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Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Josh Luthman]

My NAT customers work behind their own routers on the 360 and PS3.

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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
> >
> > What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
> >
> > Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
>
> Are all your custommers NAT'd or do you assign them public IP's?
>
> Matt
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[Matt]

> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
>
> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
>
> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?

Are all your custommers NAT'd or do you assign them public IP's?

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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Dylan Bouterse]

We have been using Plat for years and I used it at a company I worked at
waay back for years (starting in '98). I like Plat, but we are
considering an alternative for a few reasons.

MSSQL support only
Client is Windows only
Provisioning is fired off from the client, not a backend script
Complicated to customize
With that said, Plat is also very flexible which is probably why it is
complicated. I am not a SQL guy so I'm sure somebody with more knowledge
of SQL would disagree?

Maybe my 2 cents is helpful.

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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:

>While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like 
>to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more 
>information.

While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what 
he asked for, it does not do all of it.  Jeremy Davis is a good man 
for FreeSide without question.

Perhaps it's the top posting that made is so that you didn't 
remember all the requirements?  See my example in this email...

>>Some things it has to have:

>>A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto 
>>shutdown for delinquent accounts.

FS can do this in the hands of an Expert like Jeremy.

>>Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble 
>>tickets afterward including installer scheduling.

Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill 
these CRM requirements.

>>Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a 
>>customer... <- major importance.

This is what FS does "for a living".

>>Credit Card processing.

This, too.

>>Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
>>Customer portal.

Both of these are doable in FS and both are customizable.

>>Things that would be a bonus
>>Inventory management
>>Network monitoring

FS isn't equipped to do either of these.

See, Mike?  I was able to address each section of the request and 
anyone who reads it will be easily able to follow the conversation. 
Also, all irrelevant information has been removed.


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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Mike Hammett]

While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive.  I'd like to refer 
you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more information.


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From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:04 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

> Hello
> I need a new billing / CRM solution.  What are all of you using at this
> time and is it going to scale with you?
> I dont mind if it is not all under one program.  If I have to pay
> someone to customize something I don't care I just need something that
> works.  WILL PAY FOR IT.
> Some things it has to have:
> A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto shutdown
> for delinquent accounts.
> Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets
> afterward including installer scheduling.
> Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a
> customer... <- major importance.
> Credit Card processing.
> Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
> Customer portal.
>
> Things that would be a bonus
> Inventory management
> Network monitoring
>
>
> I apologize for the cross post,
> Anthony Will
> Broadband Corp
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Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Mike Hammett]

You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the 
client's NATing routers.

I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are...  ;-)


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From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.
>
> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?
>
> Is there something I should be trying on the routers?
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>
>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests
>> the
>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
>>> upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>>
>>>
 Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded
 to
 the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I dunno
 what
 to do about that.


 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

> What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings in a
> router
> that I set up for a customer.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>
>> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best
>> pick
>> of people to connect with.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
 Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have
 dominated
 the
 market for a while.

 Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games.  I am confident 
 Halo
 and
 Call of Duty have the majority of games.  I can't verify that Call
 of
 Duty
 does games p2p versus client-server, though.
>>>
>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the
>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5.  Its too bad they 
>>> did
>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games.
>>>
>>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match
>>> have a crappy connection its the server.  If its just them then it
>>> 'might' be a problem with there connection.  I have seen a number of
>>> users with NAT issues on there router though.  Also, many times they
>>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that
>>> connection goes crappy.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anthony Will wrote:

>Some things it has to have: A system that integrates with a 
>bandwidth management and auto shutdown for delinquent accounts. Can 
>process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets 
>afterward including installer scheduling. can actually accurately 
>and consistently send a bill by email to a customer... <- 
>major importance. Credit Card processing. Decent and totally 
>customizable report generating system. Customer portal.

>Things that would be a bonus
>Inventory management
>Network monitoring

Sounds like you're describing Powercode.  It reads like an 
advertisement for them anyway.  I'll send you an email offlist with 
some questions and details.

> I apologize for the cross post,

It's ok..I didn't cross post the answer.  :-)

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[WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Anthony Will]

Hello
I need a new billing / CRM solution.  What are all of you using at this 
time and is it going to scale with you? 
I dont mind if it is not all under one program.  If I have to pay 
someone to customize something I don't care I just need something that 
works.  WILL PAY FOR IT. 
Some things it has to have:
A system that integrates with a bandwidth management and auto shutdown 
for delinquent accounts.
Can process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets 
afterward including installer scheduling.
Can actually accurately and consistently send a bill by email to a 
customer... <- major importance.
Credit Card processing.
Decent and totally customizable report generating system.
Customer portal.

Things that would be a bonus
Inventory management
Network monitoring


I apologize for the cross post,
Anthony Will
Broadband Corp
http://www.broadband-mn.com/





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Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hi Jeremy,

I'm must curious as to why you left wireless broadband out of your article?

We have customers getting 10 meg SYMMETRIC services out here for a whopping 
$35 per month.  Nearly all of my customers are in the 2 to 3 meg range for 
that same price.  Again, speeds are usually pretty symmetric.

Perhaps you could write something about the WISP industry?  The main trade 
association for us is WISPA.

A few quick bits about this industry:
While only 500 or so filled out the last FCC Form 477 estimates from 
multiple sources peg the number of WISPs in the USA at 2500 to 3000.  Some 
estimate twice that number but we agree with these.
There are over 1,000,000 WISP subscribers nation wide.  Far more than are 
the Form 477 shows.
WISPs often service remote or difficult customer bases.  (I have a 6000+ 
square mile coverage zone in extremely rural eastern Washington areas.)

I'd be happy to answer any other questions you may have.  I'm sure that 
others on this list would as well.

thanks,
Marlon K. Schafer
owner
Odessa Office Equipment
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was 
mentioned as wireless???


I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in
America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless!
That sucks!

Here¹s the article:
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Oh brother.  More hand wringing and money spending.

No answers to the problems.

sigh

Stupid government.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits


> I'll send to the Illinois and the main WISPA lists.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Croke, Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:44 PM
> To: "Brown Hodge, Carolyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits
>
>> The Illinois Department of Commerce & Economic Opportunity (DCEO) is
>> seeking to fund a nonprofit organization with a record of implementing
>> successful broadband deployment and demand creation initiatives.  I've
>> attached the $4 million Request for Proposals (RFP) required by the 2007
>> High Speed Internet Services and Information Technology Act (also
>> attached).
>>
>> The proposal deadline is January 12, 2009 at 1:00PM. Here's a summary of
>> the opportunity:
>>
>> 3 GOALS of the RFP include:
>>
>> *Ensuring residents and businesses have access to affordable and
>> reliable high-speed Internet service
>> *Improving technology literacy, increasing computer ownership and
>> high-speed Internet use among residents and businesses
>> *Establishing an environment for high-speed Internet access and
>> technology investment
>>
>> 5 RESPONSIBILITIES of the nonprofit will include:
>>
>> -- Creating a geographic statewide inventory of broadband service and
>> other relevant information technology services
>>
>> -- Tracking statewide residential and business adoption of high speed
>> Internet, computers, related information technology and any barriers to
>> adoption
>>
>> -- Building and facilitating a local technology planning team in each
>> county
>>
>> -- Collaborating with technology companies to encourage broadband
>> deployment and use
>>
>> -- Developing a program to increase computer ownership and broadband
>> access for disenfranchised populations
>>
>>
>> Ryan Croke
>> Office of Lt. Governor Pat Quinn
>> Springfield, IL 62706
>>
>> 217.558.2929 office
>> 312.285.0745 mobile
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Marlon K. Schafer]

upnp is a huge security whole I'm told.

What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway?

Is there something I should be trying on the routers?

marlon

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> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests 
> the
> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
>
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> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
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> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
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>> upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
>>
>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded 
>>> to
>>> the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I dunno
>>> what
>>> to do about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>>
 What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings in a
 router
 that I set up for a customer.
 marlon

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 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues


> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best
> pick
> of people to connect with.
>
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> -
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>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have
>>> dominated
>>> the
>>> market for a while.
>>>
>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games.  I am confident Halo
>>> and
>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games.  I can't verify that Call 
>>> of
>>> Duty
>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though.
>>
>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the
>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5.  Its too bad they did
>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games.
>>
>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match
>> have a crappy connection its the server.  If its just them then it
>> 'might' be a problem with there connection.  I have seen a number of
>> users with NAT issues on there router though.  Also, many times they
>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that
>> connection goes crappy.
>>
>> Matt
>>
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Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

[Mike Hammett]

I sent my email.

This test has been out for a long time.  I'm thinking about highlighting 
this test on my web site...  rate limit a PC at home to the fastest plan I 
have at the time, run those tests on a regular basis (by just keeping it 
open), then take screen shots of it comparing connection types.  Comparing 
the results to the whole world, my connection is faster than everything but 
fiber-optic, and just barely slower at that.


-
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:55 PM
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mentioned as wireless???

> I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in
> America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention 
> wireless!
> That sucks!
>
> Here¹s the article:
> http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp
>
> Boycott PCMag or what? :-)
>
> -drew
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