Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Chuck Bartosch 
We've been on this slippery slope for almost a decade too. It's a  
worrisome trend but it's been with us for a while now. I would hope  
the trend would bother anyone who really thinks about it, regardless  
of where they sit politically.

Now, how come we don't use the chat list (WISPA Chatter  
) for this stuff? ;-)

Chuck

On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:

> You know, if you really think about places like N. Korea, this is  
> what the
> people live with - open ended regulation of what they can and can't  
> do,
> government officials with the power to do whatever they want,  
> government
> controlled censorship, etc etc - all in the name of "preserving our
> country". This is just one more step down a very slippery slope that  
> our
> country is on right now.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
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> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
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> For the last couple of years, that's how it has been.  Took us more
> then a decade getting everything prepared for the lolcats though!
>
> On 9/3/09, Robert West  wrote:
>> I thought it was to watch funny cat videos on YouTube.  Have I been  
>> wrong
> on
>> this???
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Frank
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:58 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
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>> Exactly! One of the best reasons to have the Internet is to hack  
>> (with
> free
>> speech) the government.
>>
>> Frank
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:02 PM
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>> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
> trying
>> to give him power to due?
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Chuck Bartosch 

On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to  
> tie it to
> any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.

That isn't really an accurate description. The Internet was originally  
meant for academic and military purposes and wasn't even opened up to  
the outside interests until 1992. I was using it in a former life in  
the mid-and-late 1980's before you were allowed any kind of commercial  
purpose-which was expressly prohibited until then.

I remember the vociferous arguments about the "tainting" of the  
Internet when it was opened up to ordinary folks and commercial  
interests. It took several years for many of the original participants  
to "settle down" and get used to the new accessibility.

Chuck

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>> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill  
>> is trying
>> to give him power to due?
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
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>> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
>> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
>> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
>> l-internet/comments/
>> -RickG>  
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>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net 
The real shame here is that is has nothing to do with cyber-security. There is
no inbound service attack that is not better dealt with by shutting off the
attacked network then by turning off everyone else. Don't forget its dirt simple
to go "X failed Y times, block traffic from X for Z hours" with any well
designed daemon. DDos's would be the only attack that would be 'better' stopped
by turning off everyone else (and there are ways to deal with them too that is
better imo). For bank networks, power, water, etc, they should not BE on the
public internet, or at least not advertised! There is no need for the back end
servers running the bank to be linked to the WWW portal in such a way that a
DDoS on the WWW takes out the CC processor. bah! why rant here, anyone who can
pass a Net+ exam know this.

How about we demand that our public servants pass entry level education for any
bill they want to propose or vote on?

And a healthy watch of 'Mr Smith goes to Washington'. Extra points for anyone
who knows that movie with out the help of the Internet! =)


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net 
Mmmm. My Bullet 5's have ff/comp settings. I wonder if that is a mistake?

Mark Nash wrote:
> According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff & comp:
> 
> Nanostation 5
> Nanostation Loco 5
> Bullet 2 HP
> Picostation 2 HP
> All powerstations
> 
> All others do not, including:
> 
> Nanostation 2
> Nanostation Loco 2
> Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???)
> Bullet5
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "ralph" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
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>> I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key.
>> Not sure about OpenWRT.
>> I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and
>> comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
>>
>> It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression & 
>> fast
>> frames, & some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any success stories using the 
>> WRT
>> firmware on these products?
>>
>> It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the
>> firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
>>
>> This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a
>> big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread RickG 
I havent seen that but I've only got a few StarOS CPE units out there.
What version are you running? I'm still on V2 for Customer APs. Just
started upgrading to V3 for Backhauls. -RickG

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, reader wrote:
> I, too, run Star-OS, and the bullet 2's are approximately 50% of the
> throughput of a staros based cpe when in 11b mode.
>
> Star-OS has other helpful things like managed mode,  and the signal level
> settings.  I use bullet 2's only when I absolutely have to, due to this.
>
> Star-OS ap to cpe will endure high levels of interference and multipath,
> without packet loss, but not a bullet.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:32:28 -0400, RickG wrote
>> Mark,
>>
>> It appears that is correct. I also run StarOS AP's. Interesting
>> though, I have not seen any performance differences between the units
>> with ff & comp and those that dont support it. I wonder if its just
>> something you cant view?
>>
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
>> > According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff & comp:
>> >
>> > Nanostation 5
>> > Nanostation Loco 5
>> > Bullet 2 HP
>> > Picostation 2 HP
>> > All powerstations
>> >
>> > All others do not, including:
>> >
>> > Nanostation 2
>> > Nanostation Loco 2
>> > Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???)
>> > Bullet5
>> >
>> > Mark Nash
>> > UnwiredWest
>> > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > Suite E
>> > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > 541-998-
>> > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "ralph" 
>> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
>> >
>> >
>> >>I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key.
>> >> Not sure about OpenWRT.
>> >> I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and
>> >> comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out.
>> >>
>> >> Ralph
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
>> >>
>> >> It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression &
>> >> fast
>> >> frames, & some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any success stories using the
>> >> WRT
>> >> firmware on these products?
>> >>
>> >> It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the
>> >> firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
>> >>
>> >> This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a
>> >> big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
>> >>
>> >> Mark Nash
>> >> UnwiredWest
>> >> 78 Centennial Loop
>> >> Suite E
>> >> Eugene, OR 97401
>> >> 541-998-
>> >> 541-998-5599 fax
>> >> http://www.unwiredwest.com
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread reader 
I, too, run Star-OS, and the bullet 2's are approximately 50% of the 
throughput of a staros based cpe when in 11b mode. 

Star-OS has other helpful things like managed mode,  and the signal level 
settings.  I use bullet 2's only when I absolutely have to, due to this.  

Star-OS ap to cpe will endure high levels of interference and multipath, 
without packet loss, but not a bullet.  



On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:32:28 -0400, RickG wrote
> Mark,
> 
> It appears that is correct. I also run StarOS AP's. Interesting
> though, I have not seen any performance differences between the units
> with ff & comp and those that dont support it. I wonder if its just
> something you cant view?
> 
> -RickG
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
> > According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff & comp:
> >
> > Nanostation 5
> > Nanostation Loco 5
> > Bullet 2 HP
> > Picostation 2 HP
> > All powerstations
> >
> > All others do not, including:
> >
> > Nanostation 2
> > Nanostation Loco 2
> > Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???)
> > Bullet5
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "ralph" 
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
> >
> >
> >>I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key.
> >> Not sure about OpenWRT.
> >> I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and
> >> comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out.
> >>
> >> Ralph
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
> >>
> >> It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression &
> >> fast
> >> frames, & some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any success stories using the
> >> WRT
> >> firmware on these products?
> >>
> >> It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the
> >> firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
> >>
> >> This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a
> >> big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
> >>
> >> Mark Nash
> >> UnwiredWest
> >> 78 Centennial Loop
> >> Suite E
> >> Eugene, OR 97401
> >> 541-998-
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> >> http://www.unwiredwest.com
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread reader 

The difference between them, as per a conversation on the support forum, is 
actually the chipset in use in the device.   Bullet 2's and Nano's apparently 
simply lack the hardware capability.  



On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:42:54 -0700, Mark Nash wrote
> It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable 
> compression & fast frames, & some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any 
> success stories using the WRT firmware on these products?
> 
> It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in 
> the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
> 
> This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products 
> in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
> 
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
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Re: [WISPA] OEM Supplier Options? (Network appliance, CPE, etc...)

2009-09-03 Thread Tim Sylvester 
Try the following companies ...

IntelR Embedded and Communications Alliance
http://www.intel.com/design/network/ica/index.htm

iBase - http://www.ibase.com.tw/2009/fwa6104.html


Logic Supply - http://www.logicsupply.com/

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> Subject: [WISPA] OEM Supplier Options? (Network appliance, CPE, etc...)
> 
> Greetings list.
> 
> We are wondering if anyone had any good resources for OEM appliance
> supplier services.
> 
> We are still very new, and are still researching to figure out what the
> most effective and viable route would be, for possible network
> appliance
> configurations services/sales to some local clients.
> 
> We are looking for mini-itx, or pico-itx Intel Atom processor-based
> main
> boards and enclosures, preferably that are aesthetically pleasing, to
> put out platform software on, and sell/lease to our clients for network
> management/access applications.
> 
> We are developing on BSD and Java EE however, that is superfluous in
> reference to platform considerations already discussed.
> 
> Any input would be appreciated...
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
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[WISPA] Alvarion 900 VL

2009-09-03 Thread Cameron Kilton 
I've tried to upgrade to the 5.5 firmware available from the Alvarion
website, I cannot seem to get it to load on the VL 900 product line but
it works fine on the 5.x Ghz equipment. Any ideas, is there a special
firmware file I'm missing?


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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread jp 
Well, he was right , because BBN was part of GTE. 

On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:48:37PM -0500, Blake Bowers wrote:
> About 10 years ago I was in a meeting in Nashville where a GTE
> sales puke announced that GTE invented the internet.  
> 
> He beat a hasty retreat when the room full of cops were laughing
> at him...
> 
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> > Compuserve?  Man we've come a long ways since ALL of those.
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave

2009-09-03 Thread Kevin Lamothe 
Trango just recently released fw 2.4.2 which fixes this problem 
according to their engineering team.

Gino Villarini wrote:
> We are seeing the same issue on a 18 ghz Giga, rf link is great, no
> traffic.  We need to physically reboot one end, software reboot wont fix
> it.  Happens once per month ...
>
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> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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> Behalf Of Kevin Lamothe
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:10 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this product?
>
> We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the 
> same problem.
>
> After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss 
> then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both 
> ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two
> microwaves.
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[WISPA] Ruckus, Cisco Beamforming article

2009-09-03 Thread Mike Hammett 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html


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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Blake Bowers 
About 10 years ago I was in a meeting in Nashville where a GTE
sales puke announced that GTE invented the internet.  

He beat a hasty retreat when the room full of cops were laughing
at him...


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
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Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

> Was it Prodigy, AOL or Gore who invented the Internet?  Or was it 
> Compuserve?  Man we've come a long ways since ALL of those.
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Robert West 
Nicola Tesla had the idea back in the late 1800's but it included the
telegraph  Strange but true.

But he was from the future, after all.  :)





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

Was it Prodigy, AOL or Gore who invented the Internet?  Or was it 
Compuserve?  Man we've come a long ways since ALL of those.

At 10:53 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>I guess it depends on your definition of "Internet".  The ARPANET model
>doesn't really show what we have today.
>
>For me it's about TCP/IP, communication globally from the home, the
capacity
>for anyone to present what they want nearly instantly.
>
>20 years could you put a video online and share it with the planet in less
>then a minute?  That would have been a joke back then.
>
>Anyways..back to the government not doing its job...
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>improbable, must be the truth."
>--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, RickG  wrote:
>
> > It was more about national defense way back in the 60s -->
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
> > Commercial didnt enter the picture until much later.
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Josh
> > Luthman wrote:
> > > Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to tie
it
> > to
> > > any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > > improbable, must be the truth."
> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
> > trying
> > >> to give him power to due?
> > >>
> > >> Kurt Fankhauser
> > >> WAVELINC
> > >> P.O. Box 126
> > >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > >> 419-562-6405
> > >> www.wavelinc.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > >> Behalf Of RickG
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
> > >> To: WISPA General List
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
> > >>
> > >> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
> > >> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
> > >> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
>
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > >> l-internet/comments/
> > >> -RickG<
> > 
>
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
%0Al-internet/comments/%0A-RickG
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
>
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > >> l-internet/<
> > 
>
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
%0Al-internet/
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread Mike 
Cordless phones, baby monitors, PAGING SYSTEMS, and the bane for 
rural Iowa users is the new GPS positioning systems on every big 
farmer's tractor.  They make 900 MHz worthless even with filters; 
they use the entire allotment.  Telemetry, talking refrigerators, and 
other consumer devices also use 900 MHz.  It also propagates much 
better than 2.4 so noise can be coming from a LONG ways away.

At 10:55 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about 
>-98 to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to 
>-85 or so. I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might 
>be generating such a high noise floor.
>
>Mark McElvy
>AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>On Behalf Of RickG
>Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
>Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
>someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.
>
>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
>Rice wrote:
> > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
> >
> > --
> > From: "RickG" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
> >> Rice wrote:
> >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> >>> approx
> >>> 13 inches long
> >>
> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
> >> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
> >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
> >>
> >> Thanks! -RickG
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
> >> Rice wrote:
> >>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the
> >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
> >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: "RickG" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >>>
>  The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
> 
>  On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>  Rice wrote:
> > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> > approx
> > 13 inches long
> >
> > --
> > From: "RickG" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> >> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
> >> West
> >> wrote:
> >>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to
> >>> 900mhz
> >>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until
> >>> I
> >>> do
> >>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite
> >>> of
> >>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
> >>> including
> >>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never
> >>> work
> >>> the
> >>> first time out.  :)
> >>>
> >>> Bob-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >>>
> >>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik
> >>> in
> >>> my experience.
> >>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter,
> >>> at
> >>> least with the NorCal
> >>> foliage we have here.
> >>>
> >>> tim
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
> >>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
> >>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
> >>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
> >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>  I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much
>  better
>  than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
>  better
>  imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
>  prefer
>  their 900MHz option.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Chuck Hogg
>  Shelby Broadband
>  502-722-9292

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread Mike 
I'm curious if anybody has explored using circular polarization at 
900 MHz for some of the reasons posted in this thread?

At 10:42 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
>Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
>someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.
>
>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
>Rice wrote:
> > heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
> >
> > --
> > From: "RickG" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
> >> Rice wrote:
> >>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> >>> approx
> >>> 13 inches long
> >>
> >> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
> >> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
> >> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
> >>
> >> Thanks! -RickG
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
> >> Rice wrote:
> >>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the
> >>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
> >>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: "RickG" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >>>
>  The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
> 
>  On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>  Rice wrote:
> > Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> > approx
> > 13 inches long
> >
> > --
> > From: "RickG" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> >> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
> >> West
> >> wrote:
> >>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to
> >>> 900mhz
> >>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until
> >>> I
> >>> do
> >>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite
> >>> of
> >>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
> >>> including
> >>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never
> >>> work
> >>> the
> >>> first time out.  :)
> >>>
> >>> Bob-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >>>
> >>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik
> >>> in
> >>> my experience.
> >>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter,
> >>> at
> >>> least with the NorCal
> >>> foliage we have here.
> >>>
> >>> tim
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
> >>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
> >>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
> >>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
> >>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>  I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much
>  better
>  than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
>  better
>  imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
>  prefer
>  their 900MHz option.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Chuck Hogg
>  Shelby Broadband
>  502-722-9292
>  ch...@shelbybb.com
>  http://www.shelbybb.com
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>  On
>  Behalf Of Robert West
>  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>  To: 'WISPA General List'
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> 
>  I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have
>  a
>  2.5
>  mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25
>  miles
>  of
>  that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying
>  to.
>  Have
>  2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Josh Luthman 
Al Gore.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Mike  wrote:

> Was it Prodigy, AOL or Gore who invented the Internet?  Or was it
> Compuserve?  Man we've come a long ways since ALL of those.
>
> At 10:53 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
> >I guess it depends on your definition of "Internet".  The ARPANET model
> >doesn't really show what we have today.
> >
> >For me it's about TCP/IP, communication globally from the home, the
> capacity
> >for anyone to present what they want nearly instantly.
> >
> >20 years could you put a video online and share it with the planet in less
> >then a minute?  That would have been a joke back then.
> >
> >Anyways..back to the government not doing its job...
> >
> >Josh Luthman
> >Office: 937-552-2340
> >Direct: 937-552-2343
> >1100 Wayne St
> >Suite 1337
> >Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> >improbable, must be the truth."
> >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, RickG  wrote:
> >
> > > It was more about national defense way back in the 60s -->
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
> > > Commercial didnt enter the picture until much later.
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Josh
> > > Luthman wrote:
> > > > Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to
> tie it
> > > to
> > > > any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > > > improbable, must be the truth."
> > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
> > > trying
> > > >> to give him power to due?
> > > >>
> > > >> Kurt Fankhauser
> > > >> WAVELINC
> > > >> P.O. Box 126
> > > >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > > >> 419-562-6405
> > > >> www.wavelinc.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > >> Behalf Of RickG
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
> > > >> To: WISPA General List
> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
> > > >>
> > > >> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
> > > >> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
> > > >> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > > >> l-internet/comments/
> > > >> -RickG<
> > >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/comments/%0A-RickG
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > > >> l-internet/<
> > >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/
> > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> 
> > > >> 
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread 3-dB Networks 
I'd say that is a pretty good noise floor for 900MHz... remember this stuff
can carry forever

Cordless phones, baby monitors... basically most things wireless can use
900MHz.  Then you could be near a paging tower... or possibly a SCADA
network out there.

Honestly... I'm surprised your 2.4GHz noise floor is that good too

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mark McElvy
>Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:55 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98
>to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so.
>I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating
>such a high noise floor.
>
>Mark McElvy
>AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of RickG
>Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
>Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
>someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.
>
>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
>Rice wrote:
>> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
>>
>> --
>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>>> Rice wrote:
 Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
 approx
 13 inches long
>>>
>>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
>>> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
>>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
>>>
>>> Thanks! -RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
>>> Rice wrote:
 same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to
>the
 orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).

 --
 From: "RickG" 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
> Rice wrote:
>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave
>cycle
>> approx
>> 13 inches long
>>
>> --
>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
>>> West
>>> wrote:
 Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes
>to
 900mhz
 and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works
>until
 I
 do
 what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the
>opposite
 of
 what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I
>do
 including
 sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will
>never
 work
 the
 first time out.  :)

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Tim Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

 I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs.
>Mikrotik
 in
 my experience.
 Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much
>bettter,
 at
 least with the NorCal
 foliage we have here.

 tim

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 Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity
>much
> better
> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
> better
> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
> prefer
> their 900MHz option.
>
>

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Mike 
Was it Prodigy, AOL or Gore who invented the Internet?  Or was it 
Compuserve?  Man we've come a long ways since ALL of those.

At 10:53 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>I guess it depends on your definition of "Internet".  The ARPANET model
>doesn't really show what we have today.
>
>For me it's about TCP/IP, communication globally from the home, the capacity
>for anyone to present what they want nearly instantly.
>
>20 years could you put a video online and share it with the planet in less
>then a minute?  That would have been a joke back then.
>
>Anyways..back to the government not doing its job...
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>improbable, must be the truth."
>--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, RickG  wrote:
>
> > It was more about national defense way back in the 60s -->
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
> > Commercial didnt enter the picture until much later.
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Josh
> > Luthman wrote:
> > > Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to tie it
> > to
> > > any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > > improbable, must be the truth."
> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
> > trying
> > >> to give him power to due?
> > >>
> > >> Kurt Fankhauser
> > >> WAVELINC
> > >> P.O. Box 126
> > >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > >> 419-562-6405
> > >> www.wavelinc.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > >> Behalf Of RickG
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
> > >> To: WISPA General List
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
> > >>
> > >> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
> > >> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
> > >> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > >> l-internet/comments/
> > >> -RickG<
> > 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/comments/%0A-RickG
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> > >> l-internet/<
> > 
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> 
> > >> 
> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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> > >>
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread Mark McElvy 
I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98 to 
-102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so. I am in a 
small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating such a high noise 
floor.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
Rice wrote:
> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>> Rice wrote:
>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
>>> approx
>>> 13 inches long
>>
>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
>> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
>>
>> Thanks! -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
>> Rice wrote:
>>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the
>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
 The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG

 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
 Rice wrote:
> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> approx
> 13 inches long
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
>> West
>> wrote:
>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to
>>> 900mhz
>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until
>>> I
>>> do
>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite
>>> of
>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
>>> including
>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never
>>> work
>>> the
>>> first time out.  :)
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik
>>> in
>>> my experience.
>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter,
>>> at
>>> least with the NorCal
>>> foliage we have here.
>>>
>>> tim
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer         t...@telescience.net
>>> TeleScience Networks             http://telescience.net
>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102                        415-663-8891
>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
 I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much
 better
 than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
 better
 imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
 prefer
 their 900MHz option.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

 I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have
 a
 2.5
 mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25
 miles
 of
 that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying
 to.
>>

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Josh Luthman 
I guess it depends on your definition of "Internet".  The ARPANET model
doesn't really show what we have today.

For me it's about TCP/IP, communication globally from the home, the capacity
for anyone to present what they want nearly instantly.

20 years could you put a video online and share it with the planet in less
then a minute?  That would have been a joke back then.

Anyways..back to the government not doing its job...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, RickG  wrote:

> It was more about national defense way back in the 60s -->
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
> Commercial didnt enter the picture until much later.
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Josh
> Luthman wrote:
> > Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to tie it
> to
> > any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
> trying
> >> to give him power to due?
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
> >>
> >> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
> >> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
> >> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> >> l-internet/comments/
> >> -RickG<
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/comments/%0A-RickG
> >
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
> >> l-internet/<
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro%0Al-internet/
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Josh Luthman 
Yay a Dropbox user!

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> They are all progressives.
> This would be funny if it werent so close to the truth -->
> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/304326/1984obama.jpg
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Jeff Broadwick
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread RickG 
It was more about national defense way back in the 60s -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
Commercial didnt enter the picture until much later.
-RickG

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
> Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything.  If you want to tie it to
> any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
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>> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is trying
>> to give him power to due?
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
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>> He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant
>> figure out is why "we" are giving this guy so much power?
>> At any rate, the comments are interesting:
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
>> l-internet/comments/
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, John J. Thomas
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread RickG 
They are all progressives.
This would be funny if it werent so close to the truth -->
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/304326/1984obama.jpg

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread RickG 
Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
Rice wrote:
> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
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>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>> Rice wrote:
>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
>>> approx
>>> 13 inches long
>>
>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
>> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
>>
>> Thanks! -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
>> Rice wrote:
>>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the
>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
 The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG

 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
 Rice wrote:
> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
> approx
> 13 inches long
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
>> West
>> wrote:
>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to
>>> 900mhz
>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until
>>> I
>>> do
>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite
>>> of
>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
>>> including
>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never
>>> work
>>> the
>>> first time out.  :)
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik
>>> in
>>> my experience.
>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter,
>>> at
>>> least with the NorCal
>>> foliage we have here.
>>>
>>> tim
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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>>> TeleScience Networks             http://telescience.net
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>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
 I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much
 better
 than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
 better
 imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
 prefer
 their 900MHz option.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

 I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have
 a
 2.5
 mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25
 miles
 of
 that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying
 to.
 Have
 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge
 using
 XR9
 cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
 polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just
 have
 to go
 out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what
 kind
 of
 throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll
 see.

 Bob-
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Just wait till they start taxing us on "per megabyte consumed"

I'm going to the tea party on that one!



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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

You know, if you really think about places like N. Korea, this is what the
people live with - open ended regulation of what they can and can't do,
government officials with the power to do whatever they want, government
controlled censorship, etc etc - all in the name of "preserving our
country". This is just one more step down a very slippery slope that our
country is on right now. 



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

For the last couple of years, that's how it has been.  Took us more
then a decade getting everything prepared for the lolcats though!

On 9/3/09, Robert West  wrote:
> I thought it was to watch funny cat videos on YouTube.  Have I been wrong
on
> this???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Frank
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:58 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
>
> Exactly! One of the best reasons to have the Internet is to hack (with
free
> speech) the government.
>
> Frank
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:02 PM
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>
> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
trying
> to give him power to due?
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick 
I'd be less concerned about this if it were sponsored by a fringe
Lefty...Rockefeller is not one of those. 

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Behalf Of John J. Thomas
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To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Senate Bill

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-contro
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave

2009-09-03 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
We had a problem during storms with one link where the link would show
as up but wouldn't pass traffic.  Turned out to be a mis-matched ODU
firmware.  2.3.9 doesn't auto rateshift back up but was pretty stable.
 2.4.0 can have the interface lock up but still pass traffic.  2.4.1
doesn't have the interface lock up but it loses the auto rateshift
back up.

So, check your firmware and make sure it has the same version on both
sides.  We had an Apex link that wouldn't pass traffic if we upgraded
one side and not the other.  So, it seems very critical to have
everything identical on both ends.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Kevin Lamothe wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with this product?
>
> We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the
> same problem.
>
> After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss
> then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both
> ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two microwaves.
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Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-03 Thread Jason Hensley 
You know, if you really think about places like N. Korea, this is what the
people live with - open ended regulation of what they can and can't do,
government officials with the power to do whatever they want, government
controlled censorship, etc etc - all in the name of "preserving our
country". This is just one more step down a very slippery slope that our
country is on right now. 



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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

For the last couple of years, that's how it has been.  Took us more
then a decade getting everything prepared for the lolcats though!

On 9/3/09, Robert West  wrote:
> I thought it was to watch funny cat videos on YouTube.  Have I been wrong
on
> this???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Frank
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:58 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
>
> Exactly! One of the best reasons to have the Internet is to hack (with
free
> speech) the government.
>
> Frank
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:02 PM
>
>
> Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is
trying
> to give him power to due?
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave

2009-09-03 Thread Gino Villarini 
We are seeing the same issue on a 18 ghz Giga, rf link is great, no
traffic.  We need to physically reboot one end, software reboot wont fix
it.  Happens once per month ...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:10 AM
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Has anyone had any experience with this product?

We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the 
same problem.

After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss 
then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both 
ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two
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[WISPA] Trango Giga Microwave

2009-09-03 Thread Kevin Lamothe 
Has anyone had any experience with this product?

We have the latest firmware from Trango and are still experiencing the 
same problem.

After being online for a few weeks, our link starts to get packet loss 
then it won't transfer any traffic at all without a power cycle of both 
ends, the odd thing is that there's still a link between the two microwaves.



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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-03 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE 
Rick...what data rate(s) are you running on the CPE and AP? What speed 
is the cust supposed to get? I would use something like 6/9/12/18 data 
rates at both ends. The slower the data rate the more headroom you will 
have.


Leon

* RickG wrote, On 9/2/2009 8:44 PM:

I've got two customers on a 900MHz AP RB-433/XR9 running Mikrotik
3.10, with a 13db v-pol omni.
Customer 1 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 18db grid. 1
mile of solid trees. Signal is -85. Noise floor = -102.
Customer 2 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10 with a 15db yagi. 1/4
mile solid trees. Signal is -65. Noise floor = -102.
Both customers live with in a mile of each other in the same direction
from the AP.

Customer 1 is complaining about speed. My tests show about 600-1000Kbps.
Customer 2 is working well with 2-3Mbps speeds.

Up until a few weeks ago Customer 1 had near 3Mbps speeds. I lean
towards blaming the foliage but full bloom has long since passed. Any
thoughts?
  

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