Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Travis Johnson]

Yes, we see 6-8db fluctuations during temperature changes... but that's 
an 18ghz frequency thing, not specific to Trango. We also saw the same 
changes with our Dragonwave 18ghz links.

Travis
Microserv

Scott Carullo wrote:
> Make sure you don't use RPS, the ports will not come back up once they 
> drop.  Confirmed with Trango support this is a problem still.  Other than 
> that ours are working nicely, and the ATPC and modulation shifting are 
> doing excellent.  Other than that we are still getting use to the APEX gear 
> but are happy so far with the performance... ~250MB FDX almost 25 miles.  
> Modulation has dropped in rain but link never stopped passing traffic.  
> Looks like its more sensitive to temp inversion fluctuations than 5Ghz but 
> one side is at 1200ft so it may have something to do with that as its 
> higher than we have ever put gear around here.
>
> Good luck fixing your problem, report back once you figure it out.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
> 
>
> From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:37 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem
>
> 1. 17dBm / 17 dBm
> 2. Speed is the same on both sides.
> 3. (trango-view)# linktest 1
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX
> RX
> 1> 1  -41.10 dBm  -34.40 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
> 256QAM
> (trango-view)#
>
> (trango-config)# linktest 1
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX R
> X
> 1> 1  -38.30 dBm  -34.90 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
>  2
> 56QAM
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>   
>> Did you check:
>>
>> (1) power level on each side
>> (2) speed settings (same modulation and channel size on each side)
>> (3) what does the linktest show on each side?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> 
>>> We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
>>> traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
>>> the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Scott Carullo]

Make sure you don't use RPS, the ports will not come back up once they 
drop.  Confirmed with Trango support this is a problem still.  Other than 
that ours are working nicely, and the ATPC and modulation shifting are 
doing excellent.  Other than that we are still getting use to the APEX gear 
but are happy so far with the performance... ~250MB FDX almost 25 miles.  
Modulation has dropped in rain but link never stopped passing traffic.  
Looks like its more sensitive to temp inversion fluctuations than 5Ghz but 
one side is at 1200ft so it may have something to do with that as its 
higher than we have ever put gear around here.

Good luck fixing your problem, report back once you figure it out.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

1. 17dBm / 17 dBm
2. Speed is the same on both sides.
3. (trango-view)# linktest 1
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX
RX
1> 1  -41.10 dBm  -34.40 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
256QAM
(trango-view)#

(trango-config)# linktest 1
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX R
X
1> 1  -38.30 dBm  -34.90 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
 2
56QAM

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Did you check:
>
> (1) power level on each side
> (2) speed settings (same modulation and channel size on each side)
> (3) what does the linktest show on each side?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>
>> We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
>> traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
>> happens.
>>
>> Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
>> the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

During the upgrade process, did it give any errors? You did all 4 or 5 
files, correct? Have you tried doing them again and re-flashing each one 
as you go?

Travis


can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> 1. 17dBm / 17 dBm
> 2. Speed is the same on both sides.
> 3. (trango-view)# linktest 1
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX
>  RX
>   1> 1  -41.10 dBm  -34.40 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
>  256QAM
> (trango-view)#
>
>
> (trango-config)# linktest 1
> LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX
>  R
> X
>   1> 1  -38.30 dBm  -34.90 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
>  2
> 56QAM
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>   
>> Did you check:
>>
>> (1) power level on each side
>> (2) speed settings (same modulation and channel size on each side)
>> (3) what does the linktest show on each side?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> 
>>> We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
>>> traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
>>> the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[can...@believewireless.net]

1. 17dBm / 17 dBm
2. Speed is the same on both sides.
3. (trango-view)# linktest 1
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX
 RX
  1> 1  -41.10 dBm  -34.40 dB   0.00E+00256QAM
 256QAM
(trango-view)#


(trango-config)# linktest 1
LOCK   RSSI  MSEBER TX R
X
  1> 1  -38.30 dBm  -34.90 dB   0.00E+00256QAM 2
56QAM


On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Did you check:
>
> (1) power level on each side
> (2) speed settings (same modulation and channel size on each side)
> (3) what does the linktest show on each side?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>
>> We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
>> traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
>> happens.
>>
>> Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
>> the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Travis Johnson]

That firmware has been out for almost 6 months now... no other updates 
during that time.

Travis


Josh Luthman wrote:
> I think Trango users have to so that it fixes auto rate modulating.
>
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> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:24 PM,   wrote:
>   
>> Sorry I can't help but is it me or do I see a lot of posts on these units 
>> regarding firmware changes.
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I did a firmware upgrade on a licensed link.
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:07:01
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>> Reply-To: can...@believewireless.net, WISPA General List 
>> Subject: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem
>>
>> We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
>> traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
>> them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
>> passing.
>>
>> Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.
>>
>> Any ideas?
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Travis Johnson]

Did you check:

(1) power level on each side
(2) speed settings (same modulation and channel size on each side)
(3) what does the linktest show on each side?

Travis
Microserv

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
> traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
> happens.
>
> Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
> the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[can...@believewireless.net]

We can access the units via their IBM addresses but they won't pass
traffic.  We have rebooted the radios, power cycled them, and nothing
happens.

Interestingly, the Mikrotik on one end of the link is showing up in
the neighbor list.  So something is getting through.



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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Josh Luthman]

I think Trango users have to so that it fixes auto rate modulating.

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:24 PM,   wrote:
> Sorry I can't help but is it me or do I see a lot of posts on these units 
> regarding firmware changes.
>
> I can't remember the last time I did a firmware upgrade on a licensed link.
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
> Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:07:01
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> Reply-To: can...@believewireless.net, WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem
>
> We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
> traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
> them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
> passing.
>
> Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.
>
> Any ideas?
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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[lakeland]

Sorry I can't help but is it me or do I see a lot of posts on these units 
regarding firmware changes.

I can't remember the last time I did a firmware upgrade on a licensed link.

-B-
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We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
passing.

Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.

Any ideas?



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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Josh Luthman]

Reboot both sides?  Are you able to get to the far end through the close radio?

Should it be set for 100FDX or auto?  Is it?

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:07 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:
> We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
> traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
> them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
> passing.
>
> Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.
>
> Any ideas?
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[WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[can...@believewireless.net]

We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
passing.

Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.

Any ideas?



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Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

[Rick Harnish]

I might be able to arrange a shuttle transport from the hotel.  Just keep me
posted.

Thanks,
Rick

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
> 
> Rick:
> 
> I will look into a tour for the arch.  However, I wouldn't want to miss
> any
> of those infamous vendor parties; at least to the level a light weight
> can
> bear.
> 
> I am looking forward to meeting the cast of characters.  It will be an
> ordeal ripping this country boy away for a trip to the city.
> 
> Have I mentioned I've gotten comfortable here the past five years?  I
> will
> have to find a trained monkey to fill in for me.
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
> Mike
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> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I haven't organized any trips like an arch tour or a trip to a
> Cardinals
> game.  I would suggest doing either on Tuesday or Thursday evening
> before or
> after the event.  I have heard some talk about going to a game.  I
> would
> love someone stepping in to organize an extracurricular activity as I
> know I
> won't have time.
> 
> Thank and I look forward to meeting you.  It seems like we already
> have.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rick
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > On Behalf Of Mike
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> > Subject: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
> >
> > I've decided I'm going to St. Louis.  Who is going where it would be
> > convenient to arrive together? Too close to fly.  Kinda like my
> > generation; too young for Woodstock, too old for Sesame Street.
> >
> > I hope someone has an arch tour in the works; I'd do that if time
> > allows.
> >
> > I am looking forward to attaching faces to names.  I will be one of
> > the faces without a name.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Gilchrist
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Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

[Mike]

Rick:

I will look into a tour for the arch.  However, I wouldn't want to miss any
of those infamous vendor parties; at least to the level a light weight can
bear. 

I am looking forward to meeting the cast of characters.  It will be an
ordeal ripping this country boy away for a trip to the city.  

Have I mentioned I've gotten comfortable here the past five years?  I will
have to find a trained monkey to fill in for me.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

Mike,

I haven't organized any trips like an arch tour or a trip to a Cardinals
game.  I would suggest doing either on Tuesday or Thursday evening before or
after the event.  I have heard some talk about going to a game.  I would
love someone stepping in to organize an extracurricular activity as I know I
won't have time.

Thank and I look forward to meeting you.  It seems like we already have.

Thanks,
Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:35 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
> 
> I've decided I'm going to St. Louis.  Who is going where it would be 
> convenient to arrive together? Too close to fly.  Kinda like my 
> generation; too young for Woodstock, too old for Sesame Street.
> 
> I hope someone has an arch tour in the works; I'd do that if time 
> allows.
> 
> I am looking forward to attaching faces to names.  I will be one of 
> the faces without a name.
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
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Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

[Rick Harnish]

Mike,

I haven't organized any trips like an arch tour or a trip to a Cardinals
game.  I would suggest doing either on Tuesday or Thursday evening before or
after the event.  I have heard some talk about going to a game.  I would
love someone stepping in to organize an extracurricular activity as I know I
won't have time.

Thank and I look forward to meeting you.  It seems like we already have.

Thanks,
Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:35 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
> 
> I've decided I'm going to St. Louis.  Who is going where it would be
> convenient to arrive together? Too close to fly.  Kinda like my
> generation;
> too young for Woodstock, too old for Sesame Street.
> 
> I hope someone has an arch tour in the works; I'd do that if time
> allows.
> 
> I am looking forward to attaching faces to names.  I will be one of the
> faces without a name.
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign
> 
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222
> The smallest you can request is a /22 if multihomed.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two7
> It appears they have changed the definition.  It used to include a
> section
> on going to be multihomed in 30 days or some bit.
> 
> If not multihomed, the smallest you can request is a /20.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/2010 8:22 AM, Alan Bryant wrote:
> > Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed.
> > ARIN told me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a
> /20.
> >
> > On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, "Francois D. Menard"
> wrote:
> >
> > You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to
> > be multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's
> >
> > --
> > fmen...@xittel.net
> >
> >
> > On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryant
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[WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

[Mike]

I've decided I'm going to St. Louis.  Who is going where it would be
convenient to arrive together? Too close to fly.  Kinda like my generation;
too young for Woodstock, too old for Sesame Street. 

I hope someone has an arch tour in the works; I'd do that if time allows.  

I am looking forward to attaching faces to names.  I will be one of the
faces without a name.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222
The smallest you can request is a /22 if multihomed.

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two7
It appears they have changed the definition.  It used to include a section
on going to be multihomed in 30 days or some bit.

If not multihomed, the smallest you can request is a /20.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 6/26/2010 8:22 AM, Alan Bryant wrote:
> Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed. 
> ARIN told me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a /20.
>
> On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, "Francois D. Menard"  wrote:
>
> You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to 
> be multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's
>
> --
> fmen...@xittel.net
>
>
> On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryant  wrote:
>
>
>> We do not have them fr...
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] Wierd StarOS/OLSR - Ubiquity RocketM5 bridge - Cisco issue

[Michael Baird]

Under advanced. It will turn off CDP on the Ubiquities.

Regards
Michael Baird
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:27:52PM -0400, Michael Baird wrote:
>
>> Turn off extra reporting on the Ubiquities.
>>  
> Extra reporting?  Log was checked.  I haven't found an extra reporting
> button.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wierd StarOS/OLSR - Ubiquity RocketM5 bridge - Cisco issue

[Scott Lambert]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:15:13PM -0400, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Sounds like Cisco / Vlan is giving you trouble...
> Two suggestions... check if there is a loop getting created somewhere..
> and 2nd suggestions... turn CDP off on the Cisco ...

STP was enabled.  I also couldn't think of a place for a L2 loop
to exist.  Doesn't mean there wasn't one.  CDP was disabled.

I punted.

We happened to have our first RB750G test unit show up yesterday.
I put it at the tower and brought up OSPF from the office to the
RB750G across the ubiquity link.  Then I configured the necessary
static routes on the RB750G.  Looks good for the most part.  We
have much better throughput and latency.

I do have one left over problem.  We have a StarOS vtun from the
office to the OSPF network we are merging in 4 (OLSR) wireless hops
away.  The tunnel has always been a bit flakey, but now, it doesn't
seem to want to pass traffic for very long.  It stayed up for the
longest period while I had a ping per second running across the
link for a couple of hours.  But shortly after I kill the ping, it
fell down again.  StarOS 1.4.22mumble.

I don't have enough data to know if the vtun forgets to pass traffic
when it goes "idle" or if it was just luck.  StarOS never recognizes
that the tunnel is broken.  It just doesn't pass IP.  Nothing in
the logs.

We have a handful of vtuns to provide redundant paths across the
OLSR wireless net to non-wireless gear which cannot speak OLSR in
various locations.  They've always been a bit of a pain.  They take
minutes to fail down which slows OSPF routing around the problem.
But, now I'm fed up.  It's not ubiquitous enough
for a multi-vendor ISP network.

And it's cost me half of Field Day weekend... That's the last straw.

OLSR must die!!!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Wierd StarOS/OLSR - Ubiquity RocketM5 bridge - Cisco issue

[Scott Lambert]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:27:52PM -0400, Michael Baird wrote:
> Turn off extra reporting on the Ubiquities.

Extra reporting?  Log was checked.  I haven't found an extra reporting
button.

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Re: Network Redesign

[Alan Bryant]

Speaking of OSPF anyone have any favorite online tutorials or resources for
OSPF and/or BGP (both external and internal)?

Alan Bryant
a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz
O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405

On Jun 26, 2010 11:33 AM, "David Milholen"  wrote:

 My idea on ip6 is to reuse it on the backbone layer and on the managed net.
Ipv4 I would use only at the towers for the customers. Use sm isolation and
place each ap on its own vlan. All sm's bridge with exception of those who
need nat. All qos done at sm level. Use ospf where I could and static for
everything else. I also have clusters on the same color code so subs can
move when needed.  Each tower has its own color code for the whole thing.

 Me thinking out-loud again :)
--Dave




On 6/25/2010 10:36 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
>
> And tell every single custom...



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Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 6/26/2010 12:55 AM, Jack Unger wrote:


>Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>
>>At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
>>>I thought this one was settled a long time ago...  The FCC regulates
>>>transmitters.
>>>
>>In general, yes.  But they have claimed authority over receivers
>>too.  Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth stations
>>required licenses in the days before DBS.
>You're pretty far off the WISP track here Fred.

Not really; in the next paragraph, I'm referring to rules that were 
intended for WISPs.  It is a truism that receivers aren't regulated; 
the FCC has not disclaimed the right to regulate them.  They claim a 
lot of authority.  They sometimes use it to try to choose winners and losers.


>>And the proposed rules for
>>unlicensed microwave did restrict receive antenna gain too, to the
>>same as the transmitter gain, though I think they were rewritten
>>(based on Comments) to permit receivers to use separate, 
>>higher-gain antennas.
>>
>How does this apply to WISPs today?

Power limits are on the table, both for Part 15 and for Part 90 
(3650).  Not to mention white spaces, where current rules (like 
antenna height) make it almost useless.

>>
>>>
>>>CPE to AP is PtP.  AP to CPE is PtMP.
>>>
>>
>>
>>The impact of this seems backwards.
>Makes perfect sense to me.

Balanced ERP makes sense for symmetric bandwidth.  There's no one 
right answer for all kinds of systems.  The FCC rules seem to assume 
two types of systems, one a true symmetric PtP, the other an omni or 
wide-sector PtMP access point/user network.  But when I need to do a 
symmetric backbone feed to two nodes which are 10 degrees of azimuth 
apart, does sharing a radio at the common point really make it PtMP, 
and potentially force me to use two antennas?  Sometimes the rules 
result in silly results.  And the tech guys at the FCC aren't the silly ones.
...
>>Do you have a cite for the "120 degree rule"?  I couldn't find a Bob
>>Pepper speech or a Rule on the topic.  (Dr. Pepper and Vic
>>Budweiser?  Is this the FCC or a bar?)  But there could be precedent.
>>
>Doesn't really matter unless you're iuto splitting hairs from two 
>different heads and comparing them because it's a boring day.

This seems to be a significant issue among the users.  We'd all like 
to operate legally.  Ambiguous rules are settled by precedent in a 
Common Law system like the US.

>>Perhaps it's time for a Petition to modernize the rules.  I might
>>suggest, for instance, that the EIRP cap be set at 4 watts/[6dB
>>beamwidth/360].  So an omni antenna would be 4 watts and an 18 degree
>>antenna would be 80 watts.  Or a slightly lower compromise, 4
>>watts/[6dB beamwidth/120], so that only gain above 6 dBi resulting
>>from a beamwidth of less than 120 degrees is allowed. This gets fun,
>>however, with MIMO beamforming, where you have multiple lobes, so it
>>has to be worded to sum the beamwidths and effective gain/loss of the
>>
>Feel free to file your own petition with the FCC and be prepared to 
>spend a lot of your own money pursuing it... and for what? Sounds 
>like a solution in search of a problem.

I'm currently working on a Petition, with a lot of my clients as 
members of the signatory Coalition, on the topic of ASR order 
processes.  (I want the ILEC to provide a price quote and escape 
button with the Firm Order Commitment, so there are no surprises when 
the bill comes.)  I'm not spending my own money on a wireless issue, 
unless it directly impacts my clients.  I'm just noting that it seems 
ripe for clarification, because the markets and technology have moved 
quite a bit since the rules were written.


>>lobes, etc.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>RickG wrote:
>>>

Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :)


>>
>>
>>Now now, let's not insult the accountants at the IRS. ;-)
>>
>>

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Rubens Kuhl
 wrote:


>>
>>The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity.  But then
>>
>>
>
>My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to
>the full-duplex system or per traffic direction... one reading would
>say that an uplink(Customer - > WISP) that is made using directive
>antennas can follow PtP instead of PtMP rules, which would apply only
>to the downlink (WISP -> Customer) .
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

[Jeromie Reeves]

We use 10./8 for the network. Then, route single publics out to the
end points (yes, the 10's show up in public trace routes and time out,
shoot me!) PPPoE would take care of that and was the plan to move to.
MT has not implemented pppoe forwarding as
yet, so we have a choice of having many concentrator points, or
dumping 30 MT routers for something else. Both are less then ideal
options. For now, 1:1 NAT at the core gateway and routing publics
works. We also route the inside client networks, Only 1 point of NAT.

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Alan Bryant
 wrote:
> We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our
> upstream all the way to the customer.
>
> Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network.
> Obviously we are wanting to change this for many reasons. Subnetting
> it out on the private side isn't a problem, but the public side is.
>
> We are leaning towards having routeros based routers at every tower
> and subnetting all the way to the AP's. We don't have enough public
> IP's to allow enough room for much growth. My main question is, what
> is the best course of action once you run out of IP's at an AP or
> tower? What is the most efficient way of bringing more IP's in without
> renumbering everything?
>
> I appreciate any and all responses on or off list. Let me know if more
> information is needed to give better answers.
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222
The smallest you can request is a /22 if multihomed.

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two7
It appears they have changed the definition.  It used to include a 
section on going to be multihomed in 30 days or some bit.

If not multihomed, the smallest you can request is a /20.

-
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On 6/26/2010 8:22 AM, Alan Bryant wrote:
> Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed. ARIN told
> me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a /20.
>
> On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, "Francois D. Menard"  wrote:
>
> You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to be
> multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's
>
> --
> fmen...@xittel.net
>
>
> On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryant  wrote:
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

[Alan Bryant]

Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed. ARIN told
me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a /20.

On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, "Francois D. Menard"  wrote:

You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to be
multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

[Francois D. Menard]

You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to be 
multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's

--
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On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryant  wrote:

> We do not have them from ARIN, but we are in the process of getting
> more from our upstream. ARIN will not give us any until we are
> multi-homed or have at least a /20 I think they said.
> 
> Anyway, we haven't run out yet, I'm just trying to get an idea and
> plan for what we will do if we run out on a single AP or tower
> location. I've never encountered anything like that, and have not
> found anything in my limited searching that is similar enough to give
> me an idea.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> If you're getting your IPs from ARIN and are running out, clearly you
>> can justify another block.  Is there not enough time for this?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> continue that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Alan Bryant
>>  wrote:
>>> We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our
>>> upstream all the way to the customer.
>>> 
>>> Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network.
>>> Obviously we are wanting to change this for many reasons. Subnetting
>>> it out on the private side isn't a problem, but the public side is.
>>> 
>>> We are leaning towards having routeros based routers at every tower
>>> and subnetting all the way to the AP's. We don't have enough public
>>> IP's to allow enough room for much growth. My main question is, what
>>> is the best course of action once you run out of IP's at an AP or
>>> tower? What is the most efficient way of bringing more IP's in without
>>> renumbering everything?
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any and all responses on or off list. Let me know if more
>>> information is needed to give better answers.
>>> 
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