Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

2010-07-01 Thread Matt Jenkins
Which 3.65 vendor are you using? On 06/30/2010 12:25 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have 900 MHz 5.8 ghz and 3.65 wimax all deployed. I sell voice and data packaged together to businesses only in a location with a lot of interference. Wimax is by no means a fix to every situation, but my goal

Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

2010-07-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
Axxcelera. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:05 AM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Which 3.65 vendor are you using? On 06/30/2010 12:25 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have 900 MHz 5.8 ghz and 3.65 wimax all deployed. I sell voice and data packaged together to

[WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Rogelio
I'm still getting my feet wet with the whole 4G thing and found this interesting http://www.maravedis-bwa.com/Issues/5.29/Readmore3.html (Sorry if it's old news to many...) Almost everyone I know is betting (and betting big!) on LTE. The only ones I know holding out on WiMAX 2 are niche

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Depends on the bet you are making. WiMAX as a personal broadband mobility technology in name and ideal is not going to happen. That was made conclusive some time ago. There will be no device ecosystem, etc. However, LTE as a technology is very much WiMAX-like, even using many of the same

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/1/2010 09:17 AM, Rogello wrote: I'm still getting my feet wet with the whole 4G thing and found this interesting http://www.maravedis-bwa.com/Issues/5.29/Readmore3.html (Sorry if it's old news to many...) Almost everyone I know is betting (and betting big!) on LTE. The only ones I know

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Rubens Kuhl
It should be noted that LTE wouldn't be as good or early available without mobile WiMAX. Even if the final outcome is not the network nirvana, it's a lot better than what was planned by the powerful forces. Comparing technology only, I think 802.16e failed to achieve a good PAPR

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
It would be interesting to see this So far the only folks who have been successful with beamforming products (off the shelf easily available) in the 802.11n have been the Ruckus Wireless Folks. They had been sticking to indoor units because of their business relationships with the Outdoor

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 20:04, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: And whether they bother to power them up and test them prior to shipping (which I do..every one) Here's a sorta-related question (which probably should be on the Mikrotik-Users list, but whatevs) - what's the

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't forget that the 750 uses ether1 as a wan and protects it as such (turns off cdp, etc). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston

[WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread RickG
Is this the way this business is gonna go? http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/01/finland.broadband/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Scott Reed
I have been systems and networking since about 1980. Some of it for some Fortune 100 companies. The advice is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. Keeping things all at 1 or 2 versions simplifies

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Greg Ihnen
What about the adage about staying one major version behind whatever is current? Does that only apply to Linux kernels? Greg On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Scott Reed wrote: I have been systems and networking since about 1980. Some of it for some Fortune 100 companies. The advice is, if it

Re: [WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Everything I see about all this all seems negative. Perhaps we should be happy that more customers are coming our direction? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue

Re: [WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread Robert West
Tis okay. M-TV was a legal right back in the 80's.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Justin Wilson
The line between major and minor versions is pretty blurred on mikrotik. Imagine if you waited until 4.0 to upgrade to 3.x. You would have been waiting a long time. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Greg Ihnen

Re: [WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
You gotta FIGHT for your RIGHT to SURRR-RF! Seriously, who knows what tax breaks and subsidies the Government is offering or if it's a new stipulation in order to operate. As a Independent operators there is no chance that the government is going to dictate what speed and what prices we

Re: [WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread Josh Luthman
There is a lot of benefits that a rural telco gets. What's to say rural ISPs don't get the same pros (and yes, cons)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Rogelio
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: It's not a fair comparison.  Some people (is this especially an American disease?) treat everything as a one-on-one death match, and in this case act as if there were a WiMAX Corp. duking it out with LTE Corp. for

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/1/2010 10:20 AM, awrote: It would be interesting to see this So far the only folks who have been successful with beamforming products (off the shelf easily available) in the 802.11n have been the Ruckus Wireless Folks. They had been sticking to indoor units because of their business

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Nick Olsen
If only we were so lucky... Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question I tend to

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/1/2010 12:45 PM, Rogello wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: It's not a fair comparison. Some people (is this especially an American disease?) treat everything as a one-on-one death match, and in this case act as if there were a WiMAX

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread MDK
Xg's product is stated to allow small operators to offer a cellular like service, using the 900 spectrum.They say they can deal with crowded spectrum, and it's designed for low density population. What it amounts to is an IP mobile network, using portable VOIP phones. It is interesting,

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 09:54 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: what's the recommendation for versions and upgrades? If you are using wireless: 4.10 for NEW deployments, ESPECIALLY if you are using nstreme. For existing deployments, if you are doing ptmp and NO nstreme, then any version that is

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:08 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. This is my second biggest complaint about Mikrotik. Their changelogs really SUCK! The first biggest complaint is not fit for a public

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Francois Menard
Anybody with a screwdriver and a Motorola PMP320 AP will find a DesignArt 2400 chipset under the hood of a $3500 BaseStation that is 802.16e mobile WiMAX which does 2x2 MIMO. The same chipset also powers a 6x6 MIMO PureWave BTS @ 3.65 GHz.

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Quick question for you guys... When your upgrading from old version to a new version: IE. I've got an old x86 2.9 which I'm going to replace with a RB1100 on 4.10 (I'm with Rob in that if it isn't broke, I'm not touching it.) Do you usually export the config and paste in the new router? Or can

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Robert West
Really? Honestly, there have been times when I would open up a box at an AP and see the 433 board and say to myself, Man, I forgot that thing was in here! For me they have been solid as a rock. But I've been going all UBNT for the most part the past year because I needed more chaos in my life.

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 13:20, Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com wrote: Quick question for you guys... When your upgrading from old version to a new version: IE. I've got an old x86 2.9 which I'm going to replace with a RB1100 on 4.10 (I'm with Rob in that if it isn't broke, I'm not

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Faisal Imtiaz At 7/1/2010 10:20 AM, awrote: It would be interesting to see this So far the only folks who have been successful with beamforming products (off the shelf easily available) in the 802.11n have been the Ruckus Wireless Folks. They had been sticking to indoor units

Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Since their beam forming is dynamic, I would expect it to work very well in that environment. As Ruckus beamforming is based on selecting a receiver instead of combining the signals, it should indeed deal with ducting but not too well with multi-path. No Beam forming is expected from

[WISPA] ATT u-verse down again...

2010-07-01 Thread Brad Belton
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[WISPA] Hocking County Broadband RFP

2010-07-01 Thread Robert West
I just received this today but we're not interested. I thought someone out there might get use of it. I'd like to get to that country eventually, it's very rural and mostly hills and valleys. Beautiful place but too much for me to deal with. Bob- From: Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Scott Reed
Backup/restore only works same versions, same hardware. Export can be made to work across versions, but the parameter names do occasionally change. Quite annoying. Also, if you do not strip out MAC addresses, the import will set the MAC on your interfaces to be what is in the config. Not

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Robert West
As well as scripts. Never trust a script from one version to another, especially in the 5.x. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:20 -0400, Eric Tykwinski wrote: Do you usually export the config and paste in the new router? Or can I do a backup and restore with that big of a version difference? It will need to be done via export/paste. Just do small sections at a time, though, because SOME of

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 7/1/2010 2:00 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:08 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. This is my second biggest complaint about Mikrotik. Their changelogs really SUCK! The

Re: [WISPA] Hocking County Broadband RFP

2010-07-01 Thread Robert West
Ah.. I forgot to add the link to the top. http://ssl.blankweb.com/Hocking%20County%20Broadband%20RFP.pdf -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

2010-07-01 Thread Marco Coelho
Say hi to the girls of East St. Luis for me. says Marco with an evil grin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Mike Hammett
I won't knowingly go above 2.9.51 on my RB1xx boards. I finally got some 4.x boards out there now because that's what they came with. If the 4.x line is finally stable, maybe I'll raise my bar to that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/1/2010

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Josh Luthman
4.x has been good to me. Comes with the newer boards... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:39

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Mike Hammett
They used to have x.y.z, but they abandoned that for some reason. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/1/2010 1:52 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 7/1/2010 2:00 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:08 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: You do,

Re: [WISPA] FW: FCC meeting on RESIDENTIAL BROADBAND SERVICES TESTING AND MEASURMENT SOLUTION

2010-07-01 Thread Jack Unger
Hi Don, Yes, the FCC Committee would be the proper vehicle to address this issue. I'll forward this over to the Committee listserv. We're always looking for thoughtful Members for the FCC Committee. Feel free to hit me offlist if you are interested in joining/helping the Committee. Jack

Re: [WISPA] Hocking County Broadband RFP

2010-07-01 Thread Stuart Pierce
We've got a tower that shoots across their NorthWest border, we'll see how far we can go in with the help of like minded people. -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu,

Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

2010-07-01 Thread Mike Delp
That would be a Stuart thing. :) Mike On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Say hi to the girls of East St. Luis for me. says Marco with an evil grin WISPA Wants You!

Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.

2010-07-01 Thread Rick Harnish
Is Stuart going to be there? I'm afraid there will just be a bunch of imposters. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]