[WISPA] IPv6 Training Survey

[Butch Evans]

I am in the process of developing a training that will cover IPv6.  In
talking to a few people about this idea, I've gotten some mixed results
regarding a few things I consider when I develop new trainings.  Please
take a few minutes and answer the following survey.
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

Verizon just sold out to Frontier around here.  It's routine to use the pstn
line and force them to update their switches.
On Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM, "Jeremie Chism"  wrote:
> I have ported lots of them in their clec area. It is always a problem.
Typical Att ports are 7-10 days. Centurytel is 90-120 days. Even when they
port they sometimes don't remove the numbers from their switch so any
centurytel customer that calls their numbers gets a ring with no answer.
They truly try everything possible to stop a port.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:
>
>> I know we ported a CenturyTel customer, I remember dealing with those
>> idiots. One of those ports that personify hell.
>>
>> You were probably better off.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jeremie Chism 
wrote:
>>> Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where
Centurytel was the ilec.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:
>>>
 For domestic we have...off hand...

 Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
 Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon

 Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett <
wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> Well right. There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion. Only say 3
> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA. Obviously
> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
> think I got the point across.
>
> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
> providers. Take Elizabeth, IL for example. It hooks to the Freeport,
> IL tandem. Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there. However, "local"
> companies BitWise and Aero are both there. Both will sell you VoIP
> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
> network.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are
comparable.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett<
wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive
ports
>>> from that rate center. They have to be on the same tandem switch and
may
>>> even be more restrictive than that.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"
wrote:
 The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality
of
 the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means
nothing.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can
markup
> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Mike Hammett]

Ohio is a fairly well populated state.  (You may think not, but just 
wait until the next election to see how big Ohio is.)  More than likely 
multiple of those carriers service those areas.  I'm just trying to say 
that most WISPs that don't already have VoIP live areas that I guarantee 
you XO and Global Crossing couldn't find on a map with Google's help.

I thought Pac West folded when they ran out of money, but I guess not.  
I haven't looked at their penetration since then because of this.

Verizon depends on which part of the house is selling it this time.  
Verizon local doesn't really service much of anything after splitting 
Frontier and their New England businesses, and they've never really been 
fond of the MCI VoIP product.

etc., etc.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 11/29/2010 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> For domestic we have...off hand...
>
> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
>
> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
>> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
>> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
>> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
>> think I got the point across.
>>
>> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
>> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
>> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
>> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
>> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
>> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
>> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
>> network.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett
>>> wrote:
 Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
 from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
 even be more restrictive than that.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.

 On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"
 wrote:
> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

I have ported lots of them in their clec area. It is always a problem. Typical 
Att ports are 7-10 days. Centurytel is 90-120 days. Even when they port they 
sometimes don't remove the numbers from their switch so any centurytel customer 
that calls their numbers gets a ring with no answer. They truly try everything 
possible to stop a port. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I know we ported a CenturyTel customer, I remember dealing with those
> idiots.  One of those ports that personify hell.
> 
> You were probably better off.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
>> Centurytel was the ilec.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For domestic we have...off hand...
>>> 
>>> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
>>> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
>>> 
>>> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
 Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
 cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
 all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
 think I got the point across.
 
 Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
 difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
 providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
 IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
 checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
 companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
 service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
 network.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
>> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
>> even be more restrictive than that.
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  
>> wrote:
>>> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
>>> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
 We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
 finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
 and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

I know we ported a CenturyTel customer, I remember dealing with those
idiots.  One of those ports that personify hell.

You were probably better off.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
> Centurytel was the ilec.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>> For domestic we have...off hand...
>>
>> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
>> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
>>
>> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
>>> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
>>> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
>>> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
>>> think I got the point across.
>>>
>>> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
>>> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
>>> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
>>> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
>>> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
>>> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
>>> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
>>> network.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
 wrote:
> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
> even be more restrictive than that.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>
> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
>> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>>> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
>>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
Centurytel was the ilec. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> For domestic we have...off hand...
> 
> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
> 
> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
>> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
>> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
>> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
>> think I got the point across.
>> 
>> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
>> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
>> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
>> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
>> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
>> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
>> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
>> network.
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
 Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
 from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
 even be more restrictive than that.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
 
 On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

For domestic we have...off hand...

Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon

Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
> think I got the point across.
>
> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
> network.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
>>> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
>>> even be more restrictive than that.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
 The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
 the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



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> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Mike Hammett]

Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.  
38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3 
cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously 
all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I 
think I got the point across.

Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is 
difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national 
providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport, 
IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I 
checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local" 
companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP 
service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's 
network.

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On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
>> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
>> even be more restrictive than that.
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
>>> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>>>
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>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
 We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
 finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
> even be more restrictive than that.
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> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>
> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
>> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>>>
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>>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Mike Hammett]

Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports 
from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and 
may even be more restrictive than that.


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On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.

On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>
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>
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> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>>
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>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

I think I have something like 10 numbers that weren't ported. Everything we do 
is port. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
> 
> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> > The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of 
> > the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
> > 
> > -
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> > 
> > 
> > On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>
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>>
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>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Mike Hammett]

The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of 
the service) is local numbers.  Everything else relatively means nothing.


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On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:


We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time 
finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup 
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

VOX.  

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Josh Luthman]

We make something like 30 to 40 percent.  Happy with our service.
On Nov 29, 2010 9:29 PM, "Liam Cummings" 
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[WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Liam Cummings]

We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time finding
a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup and
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[WISPA] If you like pictures of towers... [OT?]

[David E. Smith]

I didn't know someone made a whole calendar of these. Why settle for
motivational phrases or scantily-clad women, when you could have
pictures of towers?

http://www.fybush.com/calendar.html

(A couple larger/better pictures from the calendar itself at
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/29/5516937-geek-gift-guide-broadcast-towers-calendar
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Re: [WISPA] Bandpass Filters

[Chris Gotstein]

We switched over to use RF Linx filters.  Very well built, been in the
air for 3 years now, no issues.

   
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> Hi all, 
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> our 900 deployments. We've had a few water leakage issues with them
> recently and we're wondering if anyone is having success with another
> type of filter. Keep in mind we're in very harsh weather conditions with
> lots of snow and ice in the winter. We're looking for something that has
> both cell and page rejection with minimal insertion loss. 
> 
> Thanks in advance and hope everyone out there had a nice Thanksgiving, 
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[WISPA] Bandpass Filters

[Nick Huanca]

Hi all,

We've been using the http://www.gwaymicrowave.com/ bandpass filters for our
900 deployments. We've had a few water leakage issues with them recently and
we're wondering if anyone is having success with another type of filter.
Keep in mind we're in very harsh weather conditions with lots of snow and
ice in the winter. We're looking for something that has both cell and page
rejection with minimal insertion loss.

Thanks in advance and hope everyone out there had a nice Thanksgiving,

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Re: [WISPA] DSL & BGP

[Jon Auer]

I can, if you are in a AT&T area of the 356 LATA (Southeastern Wisconsin)

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[WISPA] DSL & BGP

[Matt]

Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL?  Looking
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Blake Covarrubias]

If you have a range of addresses available on your external interface you could 
use something like this.

/ip firewall nat
add chain=srcnat action=same to-addresses=192.0.2.2-192.0.2.10 
out-interface=ether1

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On Nov 29, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wrote:

> I disabled squid and noticed facebook worked fine but, after hours it
> was the same: sluggish and slow. 
> 
> Matt can I just add an alias to my external network interface and do
> something like you mentioned? Could it be nat?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 11:38 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> I don't know whether it helps or not, but we put in policy routes so 
>> that every four or eight routed subnets were NATed out through a 
>> different IP address.   Something like:
>> 
>> 192.168.248.0-192.168.255.0 goes out through 208.14.222.10
>> 192.168.240.0-192.168.247.0 goes out through 208.14.222.11
>> etc etc
>> 
>> Since putting these rules in, a lot of our NAT issues have gone away.
>> We have a LOT of customers on Facebook and Hotmail, and they get very 
>> vocal when stuff isn't working, so I know that it is working well for 
>> the most part.
>> 
>> This is on a StarOS NAT box, but we are going to be replacing it with 
>> Mikrotik in another month or so.
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>> On 11/26/2010 9:16 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
>>> Hmm, I ran into issues with NAT'ing that many customers too.  I had to break
>>> it out better than what I had.  My issues were similar to what you're seeing
>>> - just really unpredictable behavior from some sites.  Was going over the
>>> max possible NAT connections.  I'm pretty sure this was on a Mikrotik at the
>>> time, but it's been a few years back so I can't remember all the details.
>>> 
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>>> connections.
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>>> Behalf Of Optimum Wireless Services
>>> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:10 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
>>> 
>>> Yes. I'm doing NAT for the entire network.
>>> 
>>> Someone suggested to upgrade to the squid ver 3.1. I was using 3.0.24.
>>> Upgraded and will run the newer version and see how things work. I need
>>> squid on the network to save a little bit of bw. Also I'm running
>>> videocache which needs squid.
>>> 
>>> I'll let you know how things go from here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:57 -0600, Matt wrote:
> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
 Just curious, do you NAT everyone?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Optimum Wireless Services]

I disabled squid and noticed facebook worked fine but, after hours it
was the same: sluggish and slow. 

Matt can I just add an alias to my external network interface and do
something like you mentioned? Could it be nat?


On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 11:38 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I don't know whether it helps or not, but we put in policy routes so 
> that every four or eight routed subnets were NATed out through a 
> different IP address.   Something like:
> 
> 192.168.248.0-192.168.255.0 goes out through 208.14.222.10
> 192.168.240.0-192.168.247.0 goes out through 208.14.222.11
> etc etc
> 
> Since putting these rules in, a lot of our NAT issues have gone away.
> We have a LOT of customers on Facebook and Hotmail, and they get very 
> vocal when stuff isn't working, so I know that it is working well for 
> the most part.
> 
> This is on a StarOS NAT box, but we are going to be replacing it with 
> Mikrotik in another month or so.
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> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
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> On 11/26/2010 9:16 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> > Hmm, I ran into issues with NAT'ing that many customers too.  I had to break
> > it out better than what I had.  My issues were similar to what you're seeing
> > - just really unpredictable behavior from some sites.  Was going over the
> > max possible NAT connections.  I'm pretty sure this was on a Mikrotik at the
> > time, but it's been a few years back so I can't remember all the details.
> >
> > With this many customers I would be looking at something better than ADSL
> > connections.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Optimum Wireless Services
> > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:10 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
> >
> > Yes. I'm doing NAT for the entire network.
> >
> > Someone suggested to upgrade to the squid ver 3.1. I was using 3.0.24.
> > Upgraded and will run the newer version and see how things work. I need
> > squid on the network to save a little bit of bw. Also I'm running
> > videocache which needs squid.
> >
> > I'll let you know how things go from here.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:57 -0600, Matt wrote:
> >>> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
> >>> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
> >> Just curious, do you NAT everyone?
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