Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Richardson 
You are looking at the mainstream product for end users

What you want is Silversplash which is open source

http://groups.google.com/group/silversplash

- Jerry

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Ah yup same people.

Finely got to some pricing, the page does not render on linux right or
they need to fix the layout. WOW am I reading this right? $25/mo + 50%
of the gateway revenue!? And the higher end accounts they want 75%? Or
maybe they mean they give you 75%, still that is a large chunk. For 5
users, i can see that, but what about 50? 100? 1000? 5000? come on.

http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/pricing/

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> It's a systems that supports
>
> - Free Ad-supported
>
> - Paid ad-free
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot
>
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>
> No, that's an advertising injection solution.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>
> http://www.slwifi.com/
>
> That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
> the page, all I get is home and login.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> Take a look at Silversplash.
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> Sent Mobile
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>> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
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>>> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
>>> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
>>> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
>>> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
>>> login page and billing.
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
Ah yup same people.

Finely got to some pricing, the page does not render on linux right or
they need to fix the layout. WOW am I reading this right? $25/mo + 50%
of the gateway revenue!? And the higher end accounts they want 75%? Or
maybe they mean they give you 75%, still that is a large chunk. For 5
users, i can see that, but what about 50? 100? 1000? 5000? come on.

http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/pricing/

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> It's a systems that supports
>
> - Free Ad-supported
>
> - Paid ad-free
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot
>
>
>
> No, that's an advertising injection solution.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>
> http://www.slwifi.com/
>
> That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
> the page, all I get is home and login.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> Take a look at Silversplash.
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> Sent Mobile
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
>>> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
>>> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
>>> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
>>> login page and billing.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Richardson 
It's a systems that supports
- Free Ad-supported
- Paid ad-free

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

No, that's an advertising injection solution.

Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>> wrote:
http://www.slwifi.com/

That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
the page, all I get is home and login.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> Take a look at Silversplash.
>
> Jerry Richardson
> Sent Mobile
>
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
> mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>>
> wrote:
>
>> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
>> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
>> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
>> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
>> login page and billing.
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Chuck Hogg 
No, that's an advertising injection solution.

Regards,

Chuck


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> http://www.slwifi.com/
>
> That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
> the page, all I get is home and login.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > Take a look at Silversplash.
> >
> > Jerry Richardson
> > Sent Mobile
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
> >> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
> >> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
> >> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
> >> login page and billing.
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Richardson 
http://groups.google.com/group/silversplash?pli=1

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot


http://www.slwifi.com/

That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
the page, all I get is home and login.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> Take a look at Silversplash.
>
> Jerry Richardson
> Sent Mobile
>
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
> wrote:
>
>> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
>> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
>> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
>> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
>> login page and billing.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
http://www.slwifi.com/

That the right people? I might need to find a winders box to look at
the page, all I get is home and login.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> Take a look at Silversplash.
>
> Jerry Richardson
> Sent Mobile
>
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:42 PM, "Jeromie Reeves" 
> wrote:
>
>> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
>> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
>> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
>> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
>> login page and billing.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Chuck Hogg 
I suggest you look at:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/User_Manager/User_payments

Takes about 30-45
minutes to setup one time, then you can script all of the others (based on
what you customize).  All you need is a simple MikroTik RouterBoard.

Regards,

Chuck


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
> login page and billing.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread David E. Smith 
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 16:41, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
> login page and billing.
>

If you're comfortable with a roll-your-own solution, the Mikrotik User
Manager add-on is free, lets you set up your own pricing, and can use
authorize.net and PayPal. Its Web interface is a little quirky but has all
the basic features you're likely to need.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Dennis Burgess 
We have a prepackaged MT solution.  One time fee for the gateway and
setup and that's it :)   Shoot me something offlist

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Sent: December 08, 2010 4:42 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some want
$50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a login
page and billing.




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Re: [WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Richardson 
Take a look at Silversplash.

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

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> What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
> I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
> billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
> want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
> login page and billing.
>
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[WISPA] Automated Hotspot

2010-12-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
What are you using for automated hotspot user generation and billing?
I have had my own scripts for user generation but still needed to do
billing. I am looking at various 'cafe' and hotspot setups but some
want $50/mo, others want up to 30%, etc, which seams high to handle a
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[WISPA] California WISP meeting (Last call)

2010-12-08 Thread Kristian Hoffmann 
Hi all,

Today is the last day to sign up for WISPA's California Meeting on
December 11, 2010.  Please email me if you're planning on attending.

The info can be found here...

http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3469

Also, there will be shuttle service from the Hyatt Santa Clara to the
Domain Hotel Sunnyvale on Saturday morning.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] PPPoE Concentrators

2010-12-08 Thread Mathew Howard 
We're using FreeBSD based servers, takes a bit of setup but we haven't
had any real problems.

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Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE Concentrators

We are looking at rolling out PPPoE in our network and are curious what
concentrators those of you who do PPPoE are using? We are currently
testing Mikrotik, but I would really like to hear real world experiences
from those of you who have it in production. On or offlist welcome.

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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-08 Thread Curtis Maurand 

Wow.   I didn't mean to start a flame war.  We used Rodopi at lamere.net 
and AirNet Connect, because it had a ready built web interface.  It had 
an interface for customers, customer service types and admins.  It 
integrated with our payment processor and would work with any system 
(Windows/Linux/Unix)  You set up your scripts however you wanted.  It 
filled in the variables and then uploaded them to whatever server you 
wanted them uploaded to via ftp.  You ran a shell script that looked for 
new scripts in a folder every 10 seconds and it would execute those 
scripts.  I wrote all those scripts in Perl and those scripts also saved 
all the information to MySQL database.

A quick perusal on the web site yesterday (I haven't run it for years, 
but not because I don't want to, but because of funding.) and it has 
plugins for lots of wireless gear and even does DOCSIS provisioning.  
Its a nice product.  Its not cheap, but then neither is CPanel.  The 
beauty of this one is that I could make it work with anything and it 
wasn't that difficult.

I work for a company that does Windows.  The systems are as secure as 
any other.  You can change services to run with limited permissions, 
don't allow users to have administrative access to machines.  Sure 
Windows requires reboots (I still can't get over the fact that it can't 
seem to unload and reload a driver or re-read the registry without a 
reboot) when patched.  Is that the end of the world?  no.  Is linux 
better at patch management? yes.

Windows has had a lot of improvements over the years and Server 2003 has 
been very stable.  Sure it has ActiveX and thats a problem.  Would I put 
it outside of a firewall?  No way in hell.

I'm very agnostic about these things.  You use the right tool for the job.

For the record, I'm LAMP guy.  For the last two years, I've been working 
for a company that wants everything done in Visual Studio .NET and C#.  
Its a tolerable environment and it pays the bills.

Use the right tool for the job.

--Curtis

On 12/7/2010 2:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Who said it auto rebooted?  I had it reboot the machine to apply the
> updates.  I've had to reboot Windows servers for all kinds of things,
> even installing an application.
>
> I did not mean to reference Windows was slower, but rather required
> more administrative time.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
>> So why do you have auto-update turned on?  Why do you allow it to reboot
>> the machine?
>> This doesn't sound as much like a Windows issue as a SysAdmin issue.
>> I have run a data center for a Fortune 100 company.  We did a huge
>> amount of real-time data collection using Windows applications to gather
>> and Oracle on Unix to store.  Can't say that we spent more time with one
>> platform than the other.
>>
>> On 12/7/2010 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.
>>>
>>> I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
>>> Never an issue with any of them.
>>>
>>> One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks.  I have issues with it at
>>> least once a week.  Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
>>> Rights to add a printer for the CPA.  Rights for IE's security
>>> permissions.  Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
>>> (updates I'm guessing).  It's just a mess.
>>>
>>> Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
>>> tend to cost more time.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barneswrote:
 Very Well Said Mark Nash.  All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
 Curve.  I know nothing of Linux.  Not because the desire is not there, the 
 time isn't.  There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
 apps and Linux servers.  But to this point at<700 clients I haven't needed 
 it and I will be looking into that in the future.


 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC.  Now THAT would be a secure 
 server, mostly.  But what if a user got to the keyboard?  Pull the power 
 supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
 There's still data on the hard drive!  Better erase that...

 Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point.  I don't currently 
 run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
 (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside c