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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr

On 2 August 2011 16:32, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:

> I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
> little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.
>

Rain in the tropics and rain in the midwest are two *very* different things.



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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Randy Cosby

I think you just jinxed that link!

On 8/2/2011 2:32 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
> little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Content-Language: en-US
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>
>>> boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>>>
>>> Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
>>> interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
>>> suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
>>> Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
>>> mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>>>
>> If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
>> three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
>> the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.
>>
>> A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
>> unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
>> radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
>> critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
>> network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
>> weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
>> even as links fade.
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very 
little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Content-Language: en-US
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>
>> boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>>
>> Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
>> interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
>> suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
>> Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
>> mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>>
> If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
> three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
> the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.
>
> A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
> unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
> radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
> critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
> network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
> weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
> even as links fade.
>
>
>--
>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 
>boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>
>Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high 
>interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would 
>suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65 
>Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100 
>mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>

If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or 
three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of 
the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.

A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz 
unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band 
radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission 
critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave 
network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by 
weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up 
even as links fade.

  --
  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini

Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high interference, but if 
you want to go to a whole diff band, I would suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz 
link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65 Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, 
providing a solid 100 mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Yeah, we demoed a Radwin unit few years ago and got good results. But we need 
something outside the 2GHz - 5GHz spectrum. We have a 5.4GHz - 5.8GHz Mikrotik 
link there right now that is being beaten to death by interference.

On 8/2/2011 11:43 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam

On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Adam Greene

Yeah, we demoed a Radwin unit few years ago and got good results. But we 
need something outside the 2GHz - 5GHz spectrum. We have a 5.4GHz - 
5.8GHz Mikrotik link there right now that is being beaten to death by 
interference.



On 8/2/2011 11:43 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi 

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Adam Greene

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... 
only need 50M FD at the moment ...


Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.

On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" > wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't 
any

>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
>> wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as 
well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have 
redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like 
that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini >> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a 
bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range 
then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between 
$8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini >> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini

Ohh yeah 3 miles for 24 ghz is on the edge I didn't catch that detail.  Go 
Radwin2000 certified for 5.4 ghz or a an80 in 3.65,

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

24GHz @ 3 miles is not going to be stable unless is never rains

What about 5.4GHz?  Moto PTP500 Lite will do 52Mbps now, and 105Mbps later and 
is DFS2 compliant :-)

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam

On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broa

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Jerry Richardson

24GHz @ 3 miles is not going to be stable unless is never rains

What about 5.4GHz?  Moto PTP500 Lite will do 52Mbps now, and 105Mbps later and 
is DFS2 compliant :-)

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Gino Villarini

Adam, a SAF CFIP 106 could fit your needs too

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein


At 8/2/2011 11:35 AM, Adam Greene wrote:

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... 
only need 50M FD at the moment ...


The first thing that comes to mind is another question:  Where is the 
link, and what reliability do you need?  At that frequency you're 
subject to rain fade, so it depends on your rain zone.  It sounds 
like a stretch, but if it's not mission-critical, or has a diverse 
path, then it might be adequate.



Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<jrichard...@aircloud.com> wrote:

> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<jrichard...@aircloud.com> 
wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform 
as well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could 
have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something 
like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com>> 
wrote:

>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
g...@aeronetpr.com>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just 
a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s 
range then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference 
between $8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com>> 
wrote:

>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
g...@aeronetpr.com>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly 
quickly and rain fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. 
It would be good for short hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
<fgoldst...@ionary.com>> 
wrote:

>> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in 
the licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people 
using the unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but 
if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess yo

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Steve Barnes

Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Adam Greene


Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only 
need 50M FD at the moment ...


Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.

On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" > wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't 
any

>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
>> wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as 
well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have 
redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like 
that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini >> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a 
bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range 
then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between 
$8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini >> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly 
and rain fade will be

Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)

2011-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett

Canada is just America's hat. I wonder why they were concerned. :p

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

On 8/1/2011 11:16 PM, Ryan Spott wrote:
When Tranzeo bought out the mesh
company Sensoria (http://urgentcomm.com/briefs/business/tranzeo-wireless-technologies-012907/)
I happened to be in Pitt Meadows at a training session.

Damian, the VP there was showing us that Sensoria was responsible for
some of the modern mesh network used by the US Navy sonobuoy network
off of Hawaii. I guess as one node on a buoy raises up on a wave it
meshes with other buoys on other high waves. Data transmission occurs
and then the mesh breaks down when the buoy goes into a trough...
repeat with different buoys on different wave patterns with the mesh
never fully breaking down.

I guess the Tranzeo principals (Canadian Hosers eh?) were not allowed
to see that part of the company due to some US security issues. :)

Nifty stuff this wireless I tell you!

ryan

On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

We haven't, but it's a good thing to look at. The client is also
using short-burst satellite to communicate with the raft further out
in the ocean, but that is spendy, so HF, if reasonably priced, might
be a good alternative, esp. if it's smart enough to use open bands
dynamically. Antenna might be a challenge tho.

Tom S.
- Original Message -

*From:* Ryan Spott
*To:* WISPA General List
*Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 5:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)

Have you tried SSB? http://www.docksideradio.com/ via
sailmail.com ?

less updates but further reach?

ryan

On Aug 1, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

It can use either 3G or mesh (or both at the same time). You're
looking at CDMA 3G at present - which turned out to have much
better range than I expected, esp. with a low-gain antenna on a
violently rocking platform.

- Original Message -
*From:* Blair Davis
*To:* WISPA General List
*Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 4:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Seasickness guaranteed (no password)

So it sends its pics via cellular? or how?

Looks real interesting...

On 8/1/2011 7:40 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

http://69.96.154.17/cgi-bin/guestimage.html