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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Clay Stewart]

Kristian, one thing to consider is sales... we get enough sales off TC to
pay for it! (using the web clip on our site)


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

>  Ya, I don't mean to discourage anyone from using your product.  The
> features are really cool.  I've just been doing it myself since the NTIA
> mapping stuff started, so I haven't needed to.  I'll check it out anyway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On 04/09/2014 01:57 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
>  You are correct Kristian,
>
>
>
> Towercoverage.com is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the
> difference is multithreading on the CPUs.  Roger has wrote a special
> exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for rendering on
> each server.  We basically round robin the 20 processing servers.  That is
> why we can render the maps in around 60 seconds as opposed to hours.
>
>
>
> If you or anyone else hasen’t tried it your welcome to try it free.  Just
> sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account settings.
>
>
>
> Ya’ll are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk you
> through it and/or help with tweaking the settings.
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
>
>
> Jim Patient
>
> Office: 314-735-0270
>
> towercoverage.com
> linktechs.net
>
> wlan1.com
> [image: qr_new_cell]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the
> rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively
> easy.  Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of
> computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs
> to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" changing
> the elevation of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and cache a
> series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices.  But if they
> let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the
> amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's)
> coverage maps.
>
> Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead of
> RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational
> complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked).
>
> The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the
> guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen
> anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.
>
> -Kristian
>
> On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>  What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time
> foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>  I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
> I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in
> the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we
> need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>
> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u
> through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>   I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's
> all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know
> what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in
> the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
> convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
> from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

  
  
Ya, I don't mean to discourage anyone
  from using your product.  The features are really cool.  I've just
  been doing it myself since the NTIA mapping stuff started, so I
  haven't needed to.  I'll check it out anyway.
  
  Thanks,
  
  -Kristian
  
  On 04/09/2014 01:57 PM, Jim Patient wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
You
are correct Kristian,
 
Towercoverage.com
is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the difference
is multithreading on the CPUs.  Roger has wrote a special
exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for
rendering on each server.  We basically round robin the 20
processing servers.  That is why we can render the maps in
around 60 seconds as opposed to hours.
 
If
you or anyone else hasen’t tried it your welcome to try it
free.  Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account
settings.
 
Ya’ll
are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk
you through it and/or help with tweaking the settings.
 
Thx,
 
Jim
Patient
Office:
314-735-0270
towercoverage.com

linktechs.net
wlan1.com

 
 
 
 

  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian
Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using
Towercoverage.com ?
  

 

  The limitation you're seeing of having to
add another site to change the rx elevation is because
calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. 
Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair
amount of computing power, to the point that even on really
fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and
cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" changing the elevation
of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and cache a
series of rx elevations and let you select from those
choices.  But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15,
25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they
have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage
maps.

Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat!
instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the
algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all
use Longley Rice, last time I checked).

The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're
asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but
I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA
2012.

-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


  
What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?
  
  

  

  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

  On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt
Hoppes 
wrote:
  

  Signals don't change as you
increment heights. You're asking for real time
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 


  

  
On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:


  

  I'm not talking about
customers plotting where their address is.
 What I'm getting at is if I have a customer
called in, I'd like to just punch in the
location and then see if they'll work at
ground level or how high we need to get off
the ground and see the signal change as I
increment height.


  

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Jim Patient]

You are correct Kristian,

 

Towercoverage.com is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the
difference is multithreading on the CPUs.  Roger has wrote a special
exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for rendering on
each server.  We basically round robin the 20 processing servers.  That
is why we can render the maps in around 60 seconds as opposed to hours.

 

If you or anyone else hasen't tried it your welcome to try it free.
Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account settings.

 

Ya'll are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk you
through it and/or help with tweaking the settings.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

towercoverage.com   
linktechs.net  

wlan1.com  
 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the
rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively
easy.  Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount
of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it
needs to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's no "dynamically"
changing the elevation of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and
cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices.
But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that
would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and
potentially everyone's) coverage maps.

Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead of
RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational
complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked).

The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the
guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen
anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.

-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote:

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for
real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 


On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their
address is.  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd
like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at
ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the
signal change as I increment height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If
need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" <
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from
Radio Mobile.  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for
example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology as it
is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see
what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the
elevation on the fly. 

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for
this service, too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions
for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

Awesome, thanks for the answers.  The path analysis is exactly what I was
after (pending the feature addition, exactly what I want!)

I'm not sure why the address bar didn't load on that map (it did previously
and has since), but if it happens again I'll file a bug report.

I made a trouble ticket, if you could check that out when you get a moment
I'd appreciate it.  Either there's a documentation issue or my account is
missing it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

> We are working on a new version with a number of new features.  We are
> using the emails that come in to supp...@towercoverage.com with subject
> "feature request" to prioritize new stuff.  Adjusting the height on the fly
> is in the queue.
>
>
>
> You have to save it to edit it at this point.
>
>
>
> Not really an option on the multi maps.  When you run a path on a multi
> map, it runs a multi link (hidden for now but will have a multi link page
> in the future for backbone links).   So it actually runs path from each
> tower on the multi map and returns the best 6 signals.
>
>
>
> Punching in an address and then click the house is already there.  All of
> your maps have an address search field at the top left side.  This is also
> available in the iframe if you don't select data collection.  If you don't
> see it use ctrl - to zoom out on your browser.  Once you search the address
> hit the map drop down at the top right side and select hybrid.  You can
> then click to move the pin and run the path.
>
>
>
> Josh, if you do this manually and tell the caller you can't get them
> service, you are not fully utilizing the tool.  It is a tool and just like
> any other tool you get better with practice.  When someone calls into our
> office, the girls open our website and fill out the EUS form for the
> caller.  Then they can say "are you the house at the end of the street with
> a kidney shaped pool?".  Then they will get "oh, no we are the one just
> before that on the left".  Now you have them in the data base.  Even if
> they are a nogo you want this information.  Mark the nogos as no signal in
> your web data page and they turn to a red X on your maps.  You will then
> start getting clusters of red Xs to target new roll outs.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:15 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> THAT'S what I wanted!  The only down fall is adjusting the height as
> easily as Radio Mobile.
>
>
>
> In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just looking
> at it.  Can you add this feature on the multi map?  What about punching in
> an address and then allowing us to click the house?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient 
> wrote:
>
> The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage
> map.  If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual
> map not the multi map.  Click the location you want to check.  Click path
> analysis, save the link and site.  Then open/edit the link to adjust the
> height up until you get the signal you're looking for.
>
>
>
> jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Jim Patient]

We are working on a new version with a number of new features.  We are
using the emails that come in to supp...@towercoverage.com with subject
"feature request" to prioritize new stuff.  Adjusting the height on the
fly is in the queue.

 

You have to save it to edit it at this point.  

 

Not really an option on the multi maps.  When you run a path on a multi
map, it runs a multi link (hidden for now but will have a multi link
page in the future for backbone links).   So it actually runs path from
each tower on the multi map and returns the best 6 signals.

 

Punching in an address and then click the house is already there.  All
of your maps have an address search field at the top left side.  This is
also available in the iframe if you don't select data collection.  If
you don't see it use ctrl - to zoom out on your browser.  Once you
search the address hit the map drop down at the top right side and
select hybrid.  You can then click to move the pin and run the path.

 

Josh, if you do this manually and tell the caller you can't get them
service, you are not fully utilizing the tool.  It is a tool and just
like any other tool you get better with practice.  When someone calls
into our office, the girls open our website and fill out the EUS form
for the caller.  Then they can say "are you the house at the end of the
street with a kidney shaped pool?".  Then they will get "oh, no we are
the one just before that on the left".  Now you have them in the data
base.  Even if they are a nogo you want this information.  Mark the
nogos as no signal in your web data page and they turn to a red X on
your maps.  You will then start getting clusters of red Xs to target new
roll outs.  

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

THAT'S what I wanted!  The only down fall is adjusting the height as
easily as Radio Mobile.

 

In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just
looking at it.  Can you add this feature on the multi map?  What about
punching in an address and then allowing us to click the house?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient 
wrote:

The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage
map.  If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual
map not the multi map.  Click the location you want to check.  Click
path analysis, save the link and site.  Then open/edit the link to
adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for.

 

jim

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what
a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the
same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Matt Hoppes]

Well yes. I was assuming that was clear. RF Profiler does that very easily. 

> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Yes they do as your Fresnel zone changes.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:24:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> 
> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
> foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 
> 
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm 
> getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
> location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
> get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
>>  wrote:
>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
>> through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
>>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all 
>>> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
>>> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
>>> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to 
>>> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower 
>>> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's 
>>> no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a 
>>> whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

THAT'S what I wanted!  The only down fall is adjusting the height as easily
as Radio Mobile.

In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just looking
at it.  Can you add this feature on the multi map?  What about punching in
an address and then allowing us to click the house?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

> The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage
> map.  If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual
> map not the multi map.  Click the location you want to check.  Click path
> analysis, save the link and site.  Then open/edit the link to adjust the
> height up until you get the signal you're looking for.
>
>
>
> jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Jim Patient]

The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage
map.  If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual
map not the multi map.  Click the location you want to check.  Click
path analysis, save the link and site.  Then open/edit the link to
adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for.

 

jim

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what
a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the
same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

Sounds like we've all used Radio Mobile.  So what I'm after is just like
what it currently has, but instead of adding a site for the customer, just
a simple click/dot (or hell another list would suffice at this point) so I
can quickly and easily add a CPE.  Then it pops up with the ptp window and
I can raise/lower the CPE.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Kristian Hoffmann" 
> *To: *wireless@wispa.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
> The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the
> rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively
> easy.  Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of
> computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs
> to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" changing
> the elevation of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and cache a
> series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices.  But if they
> let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the
> amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's)
> coverage maps.
>
> Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead of
> RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational
> complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked).
>
> The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the
> guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen
> anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.
>
> -Kristian
>
> On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>>  Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
>> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
>> I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in
>> the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we
>> need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
>> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
>>> u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>>>  On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's
 all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know
 what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in
 the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
 convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
 from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

  I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
 doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Mike Hammett]

Me either, I was speaking based upon what Josh was saying and how Radio Mobile 
works. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Kristian Hoffmann"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:42:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? 


Dunno. Like I said, I've never used towercoverage.com. I was just making some 
assumptions based on what Josh was saying. 

-Kristian 

On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Kristian Hoffmann"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? 


The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx 
elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. 
Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing 
power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done 
ahead of time and cached. So, there's no "dynamically" changing the elevation 
of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations 
and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 
10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to 
store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. 

Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of 
RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational 
complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). 

The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy 
doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from 
him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. 

-Kristian 

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 




Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 



On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart < 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com > wrote: 



Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910 


On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly. 


I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us. 


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Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Dunno.  Like I said, I've never used towercoverage.com.  I was just 
making some assumptions based on what Josh was saying.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed?



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*From: *"Kristian Hoffmann" 
*To: *wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change 
the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is 
relatively easy.  Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a 
fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast 
hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's 
no "dynamically" changing the elevation of your plot.  At best, they 
could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select 
from those choices.  But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 
25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to 
store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps.


Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead 
of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and 
computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last 
time I checked).


The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was 
the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or 
seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
wrote:

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking
for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.

On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their
address is.  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer
called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then
see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to
get off the ground and see the signal change as I
increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If
need help can walk u through later today. Our websire
customer lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from
Radio Mobile.  There's all the same "stupid"
interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know
what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
site and putting them in the same list.  I feel
with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see
what the signal would be from a tower while being
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for
this service, too.  There's no way I'm going write
a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make
a whole lot of sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Mike Hammett]

Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Kristian Hoffmann"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? 


The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx 
elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. 
Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing 
power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done 
ahead of time and cached. So, there's no "dynamically" changing the elevation 
of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations 
and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 
10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to 
store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. 

Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of 
RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational 
complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). 

The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy 
doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from 
him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. 

-Kristian 

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 




Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 



On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart < 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com > wrote: 



Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910 


On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly. 


I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us. 


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Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the 
rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively 
easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of 
computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it 
needs to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" 
changing the elevation of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and 
cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices.  
But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that 
would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and 
potentially everyone's) coverage maps.


Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead of 
RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational 
complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked).


The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the 
guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen 
anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for
real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.

On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:


I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
 What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like
to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at
ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see
the signal change as I increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need
help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer
lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio
Mobile.  There's all the same "stupid" interface
shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's
CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in
the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it
shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map
and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this
service, too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of
questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of
sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Mike Hammett]

Yes they do as your Fresnel zone changes. 




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From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:24:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? 


Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 

On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart < 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com > wrote: 



Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910 


On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly. 


I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

On Radio Mobile you have to add the site, just like towercoverage.com.  On
RM, though, you simply hit - or + to go up and down in height.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Clay Stewart <
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:

> You can by editing site abnd changing cpe height.  Do not know of any
> other way.
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
>> I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in
>> the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we
>> need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
>> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
>>> u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's
 all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know
 what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in
 the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
 convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
 from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
 doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Clay Stewart]

You can by editing site abnd changing cpe height.  Do not know of any other
way.
On Apr 9, 2014 3:19 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm
> getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the
> location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need
> to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
>> u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
>>> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
>>> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
>>> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
>>> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
>>> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>>>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
>>> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?


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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time
> foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm
> getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the
> location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need
> to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
>> u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
>>> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
>>> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
>>> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
>>> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
>>> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>>>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
>>> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Matt Hoppes]

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 

> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm 
> getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
> location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
> get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
>>  wrote:
>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
>> through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
>>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all 
>>> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
>>> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
>>> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to 
>>> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower 
>>> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's 
>>> no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a 
>>> whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Matt Hoppes]

RF profiler for the iPad or iPhone. 

> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the 
> same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to 
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while 
> being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
> 
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's 
> no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a 
> whole lot of sense for either of us.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need
to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart <
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:

> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u
> through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
>> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
>> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
>> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
>> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
>> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>
>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
>> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Clay Stewart]

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u
through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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[WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Josh Luthman]

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's
no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a
whole lot of sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Chris Hudson]

This one is actually in a big fenced field. The land owner has cattle and put a 
barbed wire fence up.



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 Original message From: Erik Anderson 
 Date:04/09/2014  5:54 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered 
repeater kit 
How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in 
the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the 
customer?
Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything 
to keep pests out of those sweeps?
Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those 
long cold spells?

Thanks.

On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
> I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill
> from his house and I put the following: (My costs)
>
> 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping
> 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping
> 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each
> 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each
> 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax -
> http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm
> _vc=-10005
> 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower
> 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it
>
> I think we charged $700 for the setup.
>
> Chris
>
> I just checked and it has been up for 220days.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>
> Yes,
> We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com  ,
> no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel.
>    We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1" conduit. ~$50 We
> used
>
> http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p
> rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html
>    ~$100
>
> And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery...  ~$100
>
> Good for 1.4 weeks no sun..   We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage
> that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the
> voltage on your monitoring...   You are working off 12V so you have to
> worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that
> shouldn't be a problem..  MT radios are a problem at 12V...   So we use
> a 12->24V converter.  ($70)
>
> We put it in a Walmart plastic tub.  The one that is strong enough to stand
> on. ~$30
>
> We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution.  More like
> $700 over Tycon's solution.
>
> Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there.  But just saw this which is a
> good deal too!
>
>
> Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in
> Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors
> Pair+Pair
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028
>
>
>
> On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?
>> For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can
>> provide service at the end of their lane.
>>
>> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
>> Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I
>> thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
>>
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Sam Tetherow]

Locked tote.
We currently haven't been securing it to the ground, hasn't been an 
issue yet, but both of my locations are off road on private property.  
4x125aH batteries weighs more than a bag of concrete :)

Usually set the battery tote under the solar panel.

Separate box for electronics attached directly to the tower.

Holes drilled individually for the power leads that are the size of the 
cable.

2" styrofoam board underneath and on the sides of the battery tote.

Best things I have found to keep pests out is insecticide laced cattle 
ear tags for bugs.  Keeping mice out of larger conduit, stuff the ends 
with steel wool.

On 04/09/2014 05:54 AM, Erik Anderson wrote:
> How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in
> the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the
> customer?
> Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything
> to keep pests out of those sweeps?
> Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those
> long cold spells?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
>> I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill
>> from his house and I put the following: (My costs)
>>
>> 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping
>> 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping
>> 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each
>> 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each
>> 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax -
>> http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm
>> _vc=-10005
>> 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower
>> 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it
>>
>> I think we charged $700 for the setup.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> I just checked and it has been up for 220days.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>>
>> Yes,
>>  We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com  ,
>> no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel.
>> We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1" conduit. ~$50 We
>> used
>>
>> http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p
>> rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html
>> ~$100
>>
>> And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery...  ~$100
>>
>> Good for 1.4 weeks no sun..   We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage
>> that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the
>> voltage on your monitoring...   You are working off 12V so you have to
>> worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that
>> shouldn't be a problem..  MT radios are a problem at 12V...   So we use
>> a 12->24V converter.  ($70)
>>
>> We put it in a Walmart plastic tub.  The one that is strong enough to stand
>> on. ~$30
>>
>> We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution.  More like
>> $700 over Tycon's solution.
>>
>> Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there.  But just saw this which is a
>> good deal too!
>>
>>
>> Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in
>> Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors
>> Pair+Pair
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?
>>> For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can
>>> provide service at the end of their lane.
>>>
>>> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
>>> Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I
>>> thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Stuart Pierce]

The cost of shipping the panel no doubt, that's why I'm trying to find a panel 
supplier in Ohio. 

The panels I got put out voltage but evidently don't trip the sunsaver to go 
into charge mode. I took Sam's advice and got the batteries and sunsaver and 
with just two batteries I can run a TS, bullet, pico2hp, loco2 for at least a 
couple of days with no solar panel.

-- Original Message --
From: Sam Tetherow 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:27:15 -0500

>Should be roughly the same power consumption.  I used the spec sheets 
>figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used.  The only expense 
>that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping 
>cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel.  
>If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just 
>by ordering 5-10 panels.
>
>On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp 
>> meter.
>>
>> I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely.  I'll be 
>> doing an rb750p.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow > > wrote:
>>
>> According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS +
>> 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows
>> maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so
>> about 20W total consumption.
>>
>> Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured
>> more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low
>> voltage cutoff and winter conditions.  I could have went with
>> smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery.  I've had
>> problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V
>> power.  My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site
>> is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in
>> case I needed to add any equipment.
>>
>> The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up
>> with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for
>> crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal
>> sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul
>> a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load
>>> or are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries
>>> would do 12 days on a 10 watt load.
>>>
>>> Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads
>>> back to the question)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
>>> mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
>>> tower and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low
>>> maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating
>>> on the panels.
>>>
>>> Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280
>>> Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
>>> MC4 cable $31
>>> Shipping $249
>>>
>>> Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
>>>
>>> Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
>>> Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a
>>> NanoStation for the AP.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
 customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
 forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
 a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
 the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing
 the wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 Direct: 937-552-2343 
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Erik Anderson]

How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in 
the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the 
customer?
Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything 
to keep pests out of those sweeps?
Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those 
long cold spells?

Thanks.

On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
> I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill
> from his house and I put the following: (My costs)
>
> 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping
> 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping
> 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each
> 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each
> 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax -
> http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm
> _vc=-10005
> 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower
> 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it
>
> I think we charged $700 for the setup.
>
> Chris
>
> I just checked and it has been up for 220days.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>
> Yes,
>   We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com  ,
> no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel.
>We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1" conduit. ~$50 We
> used
>
> http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p
> rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html
>~$100
>
> And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery...  ~$100
>
> Good for 1.4 weeks no sun..   We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage
> that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the
> voltage on your monitoring...   You are working off 12V so you have to
> worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that
> shouldn't be a problem..  MT radios are a problem at 12V...   So we use
> a 12->24V converter.  ($70)
>
> We put it in a Walmart plastic tub.  The one that is strong enough to stand
> on. ~$30
>
> We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution.  More like
> $700 over Tycon's solution.
>
> Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there.  But just saw this which is a
> good deal too!
>
>
> Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in
> Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors
> Pair+Pair
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028
>
>
>
> On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?
>> For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can
>> provide service at the end of their lane.
>>
>> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
>> Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I
>> thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
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