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We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim -- -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of* CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town - Original Message - *From:*Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me *To:*WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: How pricing looked like? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim -- -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of* CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town - Original Message - *From:*Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me *To:*WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot
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The ones I talked to... don't care. Put up or shut up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim blockquote -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town blockquote - Original Message - From: Zach Underwood To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: How pricing looked like? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: American tower, yes On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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*nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: blockquote Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. blockquote -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim blockquote -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for
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Mike n Chris but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com
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Anyone certified can do it, so get certified. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:00:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Mike n Chris but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: blockquote We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: blockquote Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. blockquote -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim blockquote -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first
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We did the install ourself. You do have to get certified as an authorized climber with American Tower. Just insurance and training, mainly. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike n Chris but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim -- -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a
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We've had no issues doing our own work on American Tower and Crown Castle towers. It requires more documentation and paperwork with them but nothing too painful. But with saying that, does anyone know of a good measuring tape that won't break nearly every measure to verify antenna height? On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We did the install ourself. You do have to get certified as an authorized climber with American Tower. Just insurance and training, mainly. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike n Chris but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -- -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim -- -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and
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Our experience has been mixed. Some authorities give us a key and blanket permission to do what we need. Some will unlock the gate as needed and tell us to lock up when we leave and one will meet us there and leave us by ourselves unless we are climbing and then they will have an employee stay on site until we are on the ground again. It seems to be the smaller authorities that are happy to have us in the area serving their constituents that give us the most freedom. I'm not sure we've ever had a request for space on a water tank turned down and the rates are usually reasonable. Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim
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I get keys (but no alarm code) at one place. The other will open during morning rounds and close during afternoon rounds, both unsupervised. Commercial buildings have been supervised. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 1:01:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Our experience has been mixed. Some authorities give us a key and blanket permission to do what we need. Some will unlock the gate as needed and tell us to lock up when we leave and one will meet us there and leave us by ourselves unless we are climbing and then they will have an employee stay on site until we are on the ground again. It seems to be the smaller authorities that are happy to have us in the area serving their constituents that give us the most freedom. I'm not sure we've ever had a request for space on a water tank turned down and the rates are usually reasonable. Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the process the first time. I can share details of pricing off list, but the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more expensive. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Mike see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each... because that's what ATT or Verizon paid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From:* Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim
