Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
Gino, 

You need to talk to Jamie on how to capitalize on the noise floor. 

Maybe he can develop something that uses sub-carriers which can use the ambient 
noise floor to bounce / carry the traffic ... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:11:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

> Approaching -60

> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr

> From: Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org >
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2014 at 9:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

> Be-careful for what you ask for...

> Gino has to do his calc, by setting the noise floor to -72

> We are fast approaching something similar in downtown Miami..

> :)

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> - Original Message -

> > From: "Jaime Fink" < ja...@mimosa.co >
> 
> > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:49:28 PM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?
> 

> > Hi Gino,
> 

> > First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response,
> > one
> > of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first time
> > use jail syndrome ;)
> 

> > The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm. It
> > is actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the
> > selected bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal
> > Noise
> > Floor for the receiver to give it a more accurate description.
> 

> > The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the ability
> > to
> > define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.
> 

> > What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group
> > to
> > weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override” and
> > replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if it
> > is greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you know
> > there is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.
> 

> > Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work going
> > on in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.
> 

> > There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left hand
> > corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and make
> > sure we don’t miss anything.
> 

> > Cheers!
> 

> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer
> 
> > 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co
> 

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> > email and delete all copies of this message.
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> > On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote:
> 

> > > Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements? Noise
> > > loss?
> > > Whats that?
> > 
> 

> > > Gino A. Villarini
> > 
> 
> > > President
> > 
> 
> > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Gino Villarini 
Approaching -60



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2014 at 9:10 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

Be-careful for what you ask for...

Gino has to do his calc, by setting the noise floor to -72

We are fast approaching something similar in downtown Miami..

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:49:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

Hi Gino,

First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response, one 
of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first time use 
jail syndrome ;)

The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm. It is 
actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the selected 
bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal Noise Floor for 
the receiver to give it a more accurate description.

The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the ability to 
define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.

What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group to 
weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override” and 
replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if it is 
greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you know there 
is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.

Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work going on 
in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.

There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left hand 
corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and make sure 
we don’t miss anything.

Cheers!

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer
300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • 
www.mimosa.co


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On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements?  Noise loss? 
Whats that?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr


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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Adair Winter 
I don't feel nearly as bad anymore about my noise floor. Poor Gino!


On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

>  Ha, yes we did have that discussion (cough!) about Gino's noise floor.
> Better to know though!
>
> On Aug 10, 2014, at 6:10 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
>   Be-careful for what you ask for...
>
>  Gino has to do his calc, by setting the noise floor to -72
>
>  We are fast approaching something similar in downtown Miami..
>
>  :)
>
>  Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
>  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Fink" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:49:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?
>
>  Hi Gino,
>
> First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response,
> one of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first
> time use jail syndrome ;)
>
> The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm.
> It is actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the
> selected bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal
> Noise Floor for the receiver to give it a more accurate description.
>
>  The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the
> ability to define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.
>
> What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group
> to weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override”
> and replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if
> it is greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you
> know there is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.
>
>  Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work
> going on in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.
>
>  There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left
> hand corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and
> make sure we don’t miss anything.
>
> Cheers!
>
> *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer*
> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co
>
>
>  This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole
> use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or
> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended
> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the
> sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message.
>
>
>
>
>  On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>   Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements?  Noise
> loss? Whats that?
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Jaime Fink 
Ha, yes we did have that discussion (cough!) about Gino's noise floor. Better 
to know though!

On Aug 10, 2014, at 6:10 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

Be-careful for what you ask for...

Gino has to do his calc, by setting the noise floor to -72

We are fast approaching something similar in downtown Miami..

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:49:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

Hi Gino,

First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response, one 
of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first time use 
jail syndrome ;)

The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm. It is 
actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the selected 
bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal Noise Floor for 
the receiver to give it a more accurate description.

The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the ability to 
define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.

What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group to 
weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override” and 
replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if it is 
greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you know there 
is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.

Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work going on 
in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.

There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left hand 
corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and make sure 
we don’t miss anything.

Cheers!

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer
300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • 
www.mimosa.co


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On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements?  Noise loss? 
Whats that?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr


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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
Be-careful for what you ask for... 

Gino has to do his calc, by setting the noise floor to -72 

We are fast approaching something similar in downtown Miami.. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Jaime Fink" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:49:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

> Hi Gino,

> First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response, one
> of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first time
> use jail syndrome ;)

> The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm. It
> is actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the
> selected bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal Noise
> Floor for the receiver to give it a more accurate description.

> The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the ability to
> define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.

> What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group to
> weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override” and
> replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if it
> is greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you know
> there is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.

> Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work going
> on in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.

> There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left hand
> corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and make
> sure we don’t miss anything.

> Cheers!

> Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer
> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co

> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use
> of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by
> others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or
> authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply
> email and delete all copies of this message.

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote:

> > Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements? Noise
> > loss?
> > Whats that?
> 

> > Gino A. Villarini
> 
> > President
> 
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> > www.aeronetpr.com
> 
> > @aeronetpr
> 

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Calcs and Noise?

2014-08-10 Thread Jaime Fink 
Hi Gino,

First, thanks for using the Design tool! Sorry for the delay in response, one 
of my colleagues appears to be caught in the WISPA members list first time use 
jail syndrome ;)

The noise floor row in the link budget is not set statically to –95 dBm. It is 
actually calculated based on average temperature at the location, the selected 
bandwidth, and the receiver noise figure. This is the Thermal Noise Floor for 
the receiver to give it a more accurate description.

The intent with the Interference Loss value was to allow users the ability to 
define additional noise above the thermal noise floor.

What we are discussing internally and would welcome the rest of the group to 
weigh in on, is to rename “Interference Loss” to “Noise Floor Override” and 
replace the calculated (Thermal) Noise Floor with the override value if it is 
greater. This would allow a higher value to be specified where you know there 
is a higher noise floor present where the radio will be deployed.

Please keep the comments and suggestions coming, we have tons of work going on 
in this tool to keep adding and improving constantly.

There is a direct feedback form on the Design tool on the bottom left hand 
corner, that is the quickest way to get straight to our Engineers and make sure 
we don’t miss anything.

Cheers!

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer
300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • 
www.mimosa.co

This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of 
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On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Where do adjust the noise figure for real capacity measurements?  Noise loss? 
Whats that?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr


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