Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

 I think L3 standard is $25k / month or something…

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Of Jon Auer
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing


Direct?
What kind of commit did they require?

>
> On Sep 3, 2010 8:21 PM, "Scott Carullo" 
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> If any of you ar...

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We deal direct with L3 and XO - what do you want to know?

-Charles

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Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:20 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

If any of you are dealing direct with any of the 3 mentioned carriers for VoIP 
services?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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[WISPA] More BTOP/BIP

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Word on the street is that there are a few more award announcements coming out 
tomorrow...

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We worked with a bunch of Indian tribes in the Grand Canyon several years back 
- we learned that you shouldn't give them terms, cause if they don't pay, since 
they're a sovereign nation, you can't sue them...your only recourse is declare 
war

-Charles

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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:29 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Cc: 'A Goldman'
Subject: [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is 
hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections 
International).  Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well.  Between 
now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have 
worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them.  Part 
of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with 
the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's 
experiences.  NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and 
collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private 
partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have 
a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects.

If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in 
the next week.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
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866-317-2851 WISPA Office
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Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service - Correction

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Misspelling in web link: http://www.mitotec.com (removed s)

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Charles Wu (CTI)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

We do

We brand it under MitoTec - https://www.mitotec.com

What do you want to know?

-Charles

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Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

   Is anyone providing desktop virtualization as a service to their clients?  
If so, what products?  We are looking for a solution where a client has a dumb 
terminal and accesses the managed OS over their network connection into the 
cloud.

Thanks,
Justin
--
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Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We do

We brand it under MitoTec - https://www.mitotec.com

What do you want to know?

-Charles

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Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

   Is anyone providing desktop virtualization as a service to their clients?  
If so, what products?  We are looking for a solution where a client has a dumb 
terminal and accesses the managed OS over their network connection into the 
cloud.

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

AF 101
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Animal_Farm

AF09
http://www.wbmfg.com/animalfarm

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ron Wallace
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

OK, what is AF09? So I'm just a dumb country boy.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

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-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 04:44 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

Travis,Ok, I'm game.First of all, a plain 802.11g wireless AP should be thrown 
in the junk pile and replaced with StarOS or MT. Depending on the quality of 
signal and modulation rates from the majority of the users, I would have also 
removed some of the higher mods to reduce rate shifts. And then, I would have 
set up bandwidth profiles for each user to something in the 1meg down/512K up 
range. That would pretty much fix the bandwidth and latency problem.When I do 
your upload test, I don't have the same problems. I do bandwidth control in the 
access point, and with upload rates set to half of the download rates, I have 
no problem putting 50 to 75 users on one AP and still provide good download 
speeds (1meg/2meg/4meg packages) with decent latency (20-40ms latency at peaks) 
and no packet loss. That is also with quite a few VOIP users who would be 
howling if the service didn't work.BTW, Canopy radios at $160 are double the 
cost of a NanoStation. Canopy with a reflector is 3x the

 cost of a Bullet5 and 26db grid. StarOS APs are at least 1/4th the cost of a 
comparable Canopy AP. Matt Larsenvistabeam.comTravis Johnson wrote:> Matt,>> I 
know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure > we need 
to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could > have setup a 
plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all > different kinds of 
wireless adapters) could have gotten equal > bandwidth and latency at AF09?>> 
And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 > stuff... 
and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using > StarOS, using 
OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and > we connect two clients 
with laptops and start a continuous upload, the > other client is basically 
dead in the water. Even if we limit the > upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that 
client starts the upload, the > other client has very high latency, very bad 
download speeds, etc.>> As for price on Canopy vs. 802.1

 1... things are not always as they > seem. I know of a large Canopy operator 
that is buying radios for $160 > each. ;)>> And, we have Trango AP's that only 
deliver 5Mbps total with 128 > clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every 
single client.>> Travis> Microserv>> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:>> Sorry Travis, 
but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to >> scale beyond 20 users, 
especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can >> be done to you before and I 
have consulting clients with 10,000 plus >> users on their 802.11 based 
networks scaling right up to the same size >> as any Canopy or Trango network. 
You might not be able to get to 150 >> subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 
50-75 per sector and offer >> service that is damn close and a far sight 
cheaper than what Canopy will >> do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a 
Canopy system every day >> of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that 
is what you get when Canopy guys are >> running an 802.11 n

 etwork. If I was running it with the proven >> equipment and deployment 
methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, >> there would not have been 
any such problems. Just because the AF09 >> guys couldn't figure it out (or 
more likely didn't bother to try) >> doesn't mean that it can't be done 
right. Matt Larsen>> vistabeam.com>> Travis Johnson wrote:>> >>> The 
problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There >>> is no 
polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like >>> Trango, 
Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 >>> stuff down over 
5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP >>> with reliable, 
consistent service with more than 20 users.>> In fact, I think we witnessed 
this at AF09. Everyone connected to the >>> same AP (48 I think was the count) 
and we continually got disconnected >>> and the speeds and latency were 
terrible. Could there be a better "real >>> world" experience than that?

 :)>> Travis>>> Microserv>> Jerry Richardson wrote:>>> >>>  All I 
can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 
technology.    __  
Jerry Richardso

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Uh oh...we've started a holy war...



Here's my philosophy these days...*NOTHING* works perfectly, but *ANYTHING* can 
be made to work -> if there's will (and a little bit of ingenuity and duct 
tape), there's a way =)

That being said, there's a case to be made, especially when we're talking scale 
here, when the "wizard of oz" can no longer run everything, but crews of "dumb 
minions" have taken over, that a case for paying a premium on hardware can be 
made due to the labor cost savings for stuff that just works "out of the box" 
vs. stuff that requires "some tweaks" and "tribal knowledge" to make work 
properly

Heck, we paid a premium and converted our infrastructure to Windows and Cisco 
b/c the benefit of hiring someone who had certs and could be productive in 2 
weeks of hiring was worth the extra premium than trying to wait & train a new 
guy for 6-9 months...

My 2 cents

On another topic, I've been looking at Cat-5 cable for CPE installs, and am 
trying to figure out what color everyone likes best

Talking about the cheap, outdoor rated unshielded Cat-5e

Me personally, I would have thought black, but I'm finding many seem to prefer 
white/beige b/c it blends in better with vinyl siding

Thoughts?

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to
scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a.   I explained how it can
be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus
users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size
as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150
subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer
service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will
do.  I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day
of the week.

As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are
running an 802.11 network.   If I was running it with the proven
equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks,
there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09
guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try)
doesn't mean that it can't be done right.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Travis Johnson wrote:
> The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There
> is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like
> Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11
> stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP
> with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users.
>
> In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the
> same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected
> and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real
> world" experience than that? :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>
>> All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some
>> Area51 technology.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
>>
>> I deployed my first Bullet5 today.   Not the high power, but the
>> standard.
>>
>> throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my
>> Star-OS/WAR1
>> combo and the Bullet.   The AP shows that the Bullet has active
>> compression
>> and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point.
>>
>> I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with
>> my star-os AP's.
>>
>> They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas.
>>
>> Summary...  1 bullet5,  1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal
>> mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete.   Even
>> nicer???
>>
>> The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible
>> after you mount and aim it.
>>
>>  Just FYI...  The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in.   No
>> need
>> for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network.
>>
>> Opinion I like them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Ugh...the problem is list rules -- there are some mailing lists when I click 
reply, it goes back straight to the sender, and need to click reply-all to get 
to everyone, and others where clicking reply gets me back on the list (and I 
need to go change to "to" topic)

I should probably just go to bed instead of posting at 2 AM

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:59 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

This seems to be happening a lot lately :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI)
>Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:17 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST
>
>Chuck,
>
>Just a word of friendly advice
>
>The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if
>your plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble
>and find another vertical market or product
>
>The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street
>WISP" pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity --
>that's just the nature of the business
>
>You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to
>$500k in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the
>game, you're in a chicken & egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how
>you'd build up that volume, given that
>
>(1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their
>current suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break
>
>(2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any
>decent volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it
>ultimately all boils down to price and financing -- and they have the
>volume and pricing advantage to take you out of the market
>
>There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik /
>Ubiquiti 2 years ago
>
>Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome
>to the big leagues =)
>
>-Charles
>
>P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can
>save you $$$
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
>
>The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with
>buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz.  Now, if you
>are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for
>cheaper.  All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the
>truth.  Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a
>distributor of Motorola products too).  Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs
>from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium!
>
>
>
>Also, I agree with both of you here.  Having both 900MHz Trango and
>2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients
>per AP.  I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop
>packets, and the latency is great in comparison.  However, properly
>maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them
>outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Chuck Hogg
>
>Avolutia, LLC
>502-722-9292
>ch...@avolutia.com
>
>http://www.avolutia.com
>
>http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
>
>
>
>Matt,
>
>I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we
>need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have
>setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all
>different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth
>and latency at AF09?
>
>And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11
>stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using
>StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we
>connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the
>other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload
>to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client
>has ve

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Chuck,

Just a word of friendly advice

The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if your 
plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble and find 
another vertical market or product

The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street WISP" 
pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity -- that's just the 
nature of the business

You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to $500k 
in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the game, you're in 
a chicken & egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how you'd build up that 
volume, given that

(1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their current 
suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break

(2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any decent 
volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it ultimately all 
boils down to price and financing -- and they have the volume and pricing 
advantage to take you out of the market

There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik / Ubiquiti 2 
years ago

Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome to the 
big leagues =)

-Charles

P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can save 
you $$$

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with
buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz.  Now, if you
are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for
cheaper.  All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the
truth.  Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a
distributor of Motorola products too).  Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs
from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium!



Also, I agree with both of you here.  Having both 900MHz Trango and
2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients
per AP.  I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop
packets, and the latency is great in comparison.  However, properly
maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them
outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level.



Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Avolutia, LLC
502-722-9292
ch...@avolutia.com

http://www.avolutia.com

http://www.shelbybb.com



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...



Matt,

I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we
need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have
setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all
different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth
and latency at AF09?

And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11
stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using
StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we
connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the
other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload
to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client
has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc.

As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem.
I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each.
;)

And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients
and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client.

Travis
Microserv

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to
scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a.   I explained how it can

be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus
users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size
as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150
subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer
service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will

do.  I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day
of the week.

As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are
running an 802.11 network.   If I was running it with the proven
equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks,

there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09
guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try)
doesn't mean that it can't be done right.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Travis Johnson wrote:


The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology.
There
is no

Re: [WISPA] Trango Question - OFFLIST

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Matt,

Missed you at AF this year -- saw your tree presentation though

In lieu of violating list protocol, I would recommend that you ask Adam -- he 
should know all about it

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

Please do enlighten us of this latest special.

- Matt

Charles Wu (CTI) wrote:
>> I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to
>> Trango.  The email said: "I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango
>> just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to
>> consider another product."
>
> We just visited with Trango and I can personally attest to the fact that 
> their engineering and manufacturing capabilities are up and operational
> They have "ceased future development" on certain products that don't make 
> financial sense, but one could argue that that's just trying to get "more 
> bang for your buck" in this economy and a far cry from "laying off your 
> engineering staff"
>
>> Can anyone confirm/refute this?  I have been seriously looking at their
>> licensed links.
>
> Have you heard about the latest Trango licensed link special?  This one blows 
> the last one from the summer/fall away =)
>
> -Charles
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Brad,

>Half mile?  Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone.  The link
>has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled.  So
>thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of
>more to follow.

Being the devil's advocate

I recently priced out Gigaman in my market (1 Gb Ring Protected Fiber) and got 
a quote for $2k / month plus $5k build-out

Why would someone want to spend $20-30k on a ptp (and still have to pay $500-1k 
/ month for roof rights) for a wireless 1 GB link and have to worry about 
lightening/rain fade/equipment failures/etc...When the pay-off is 3+ years (not 
including labor / maintenance / etc)

Or better yet, just string your own fiber...properly done, pole attachment 
isn't all too expensive and I'd take fiber of wireless any day

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Tom,

>But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is
>the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs..
>Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend.

I would argue that after taking Matt L out of the equation, 100 Mb FD is more 
than enough for 95% of WISP applications

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Tom,

XO has owned frequencies (LMDS) -- totally different ball-game

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Charles,

Thanks for the clarification on "no ptmp."

However, it should be noted that 24Ghz PtMP does exist, via other product
lines. My understanding is that XO currently does it here in DC, at one of
our cell sites. I can't remember what gear they use to accomplish it. (maybe
Hughes?) I do not know if this is with Unlicensed, or with the other
geographic licensed 24Ghz bands.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?


> 1. Dragonwave WILL NOT work in PtMP in the sense you're talking about
> (e.g., as things currently stand, radios associate on a 1:1 basis -- now,
> you could "disconnect" and "reconnect" to different radios, but that
> wouldn't exactly be considered "real-time" PtMP switching)
>
> 2. Off the top of my head, I'm not exactly sure about 24 GHz, but Part 15
> STIPULATES minimum antenna beamwidths for licensing (hence the 6' dish for
> 6 GHz, 2' for 18 GHz, etc)
>
> 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth
> requirements (and interference protection minimums)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>
> While on topic... I was reading on Dragonwave's group authentication.
> Apparently it allows multiple to Radios to connect togeather, with Group
> authentication.
> Infering that the technology could be used for PtMP installations.
>
> What first came to mind was using unlicensed 24Ghz, to get 100-300mbps
> PtMP
> for connecting short proximity located Commercial buildings.
>
> Can anyone confirm that the Dragonwave will work in PtMP.  (apposed to
> just
> connecting a failover radio)
> If so How is the protocol accomplished? I thought Dragonwave was TDD
> based instead of CDMA? Is that not the case?
>
> Obviously, beamwidth is narrow on 24Ghz (1.5 degree on a 2ft dish), but it
> would not be for very short distances, with a panel.
> Again, this would be very short distances, considering the rain fade and
> low
> power requirements of 24Ghz.
>
> And as well, in 23Ghz and 18Ghz, is there any rules that prevent PtMP, if
> it
> was a narrow beam PtMP system, (for example 3 radio system) as long as all
> three radios get considered in the Freq Coordination study?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>
>
>>I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount.
>>
>> But agree with everything else
>>
>> :-)
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>>
>>
>> Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and
>> for
>> that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the
>> best
>> choice.
>>
>> For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some
>> circumstances.
>> Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft.
>> (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet
>> or
>> so, according to their docs.).  Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber
>> termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the
>> other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking
>> the
>> case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable
>> deployments, I prefer Trango.  Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords
>> not
>> complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion
>> because
>> they can support more 

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Bob,

>I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a
>breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing
>about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface
>cable???  Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5
>and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see
>no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad
>your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground
>with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system.

Life isn't as easy for us poor saps that have to climb towers

In my old age, I am beginning to appreciate the value of waveguide...sure, it 
adds a significant cost to the link ($5-10k), but, if you don't have in-house 
tower climbers, the labor savings over time can be quite significant -- 
depending on your time horizon, it may be worth investigating

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Hi Bob,

>I don't think Trango will be a good fit considering the 20-25 mile link
>distances, 18 Ghz. and the reduced tx power compared to others in the
>lower bands.

You forget that Travis lives in "RF Nirvana"

In RF Nirvana, 38 GHz goes 15 miles and 18 GHz 30 miles with 99.999% uptime

-Charles




Travis Johnson wrote:
> Take a look at the Trango GigaLink and APEX radios. They make both an
> IDU/ODU and just an ODU option.
>
> We just installed the APEX 18ghz systems. At one location we used the
> "fiber" option and it works great. You can contact them directly
> (www.trangobroadband.com) or contact Charles @ CTI. They are selling the
> 18ghz version with 2ft dishes for $9,995 right now (complete link).
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and
>> therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2
>> main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is "which one
>> fits better for our needs"?
>>
>> Just to summarize:
>>
>> a) links are around 20-25 miles
>> b) antennas: the smaller the better
>> c) robustness is very important
>> d) average life: 3 years
>>
>> >From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following
>> considerations:
>>
>> 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well protected
>> from "sabotage and stealing". The "all outdoor" approach is nice but it
>> has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will have a
>> brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have only
>> half of the "banknote", so after the first or second time, they will not
>> spend time having something useless.
>> 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from the
>> unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge amount
>> or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we get
>> only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the tower,
>> but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome).
>> 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices somewhere
>> else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the ODU.
>> 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen
>> (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does not
>> change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that.
>> 5) Performances look more or less the same.
>> 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I am
>> still exploring this aspect
>> 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices or
>> just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do you
>> need to reset them often?
>>
>> Comments are welcome.
>>
>> Am I missing some other good brand?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

>Ceragon has a very good name, but is much more expensive than Dragonwave
>(and honestly I have a hard time finding the value proposition to Ceragon
>over Dragonwave... even though I sell Ceragon gear)

Hehe...I might argue the same of Trango vs Dragonwave =)

>Ceragon and Dragonwave will probably be equal on all three requirements for
>you.  I'm sure many are going to mention Trango... Trango in general is
>going to require larger dishes (their output power is lower than Ceragon and
>Dragonwave), and robustness and average life are still questionable
>considering the gear has not been available for really more than a year and
>a half or so (and that would be the beta gear)

Yes and no
Dragonwave's "NET" output power is higher than Trango, but that requires an 
additional "high power premium"
If price is not an issue, this won't matter, but then again, if price isn't an 
issue, why not look at Harris/Stratex, Alcatel, NEC, etc?

>Your going to have this concern with any radio system you purchase... you
>should look at the Horizon Duo from Dragonwave if you want the split
>architecture.  Personally this wouldn't be something I would be overally
>concerned with (you could always figure out a way to lock the ODU to the
>dish or the tower)

You could always go "all-indoor" and run waveguide --> and then everything in 
the shelter will be "locked up"
Running waveguide also gives the added benefit of not having to climb 
towers/etc when equipment goes bad

>No matter what gear is on a tower... if your tower is frozen in ice working
>on it is going to be difficult.

Hence the argument for running waveguide =)

In all honesty, the good news about the licensed market is that it is mature 
enough that basically "everything works just fine" -- so you really can't go 
wrong with any decision -- differentiation in the market comes in how things 
are packaged (all outdoor/split mount/all indoor) and modularity of components 
(Ethernet, T1/E1, etc)

And then there's price

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

>I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to
>Trango.  The email said: "I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango
>just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to
>consider another product."

We just visited with Trango and I can personally attest to the fact that their 
engineering and manufacturing capabilities are up and operational
They have "ceased future development" on certain products that don't make 
financial sense, but one could argue that that's just trying to get "more bang 
for your buck" in this economy and a far cry from "laying off your engineering 
staff"

>Can anyone confirm/refute this?  I have been seriously looking at their
>licensed links.

Have you heard about the latest Trango licensed link special?  This one blows 
the last one from the summer/fall away =)

-Charles


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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

1. Dragonwave WILL NOT work in PtMP in the sense you're talking about (e.g., as 
things currently stand, radios associate on a 1:1 basis -- now, you could 
"disconnect" and "reconnect" to different radios, but that wouldn't exactly be 
considered "real-time" PtMP switching)

2. Off the top of my head, I'm not exactly sure about 24 GHz, but Part 15 
STIPULATES minimum antenna beamwidths for licensing (hence the 6' dish for 6 
GHz, 2' for 18 GHz, etc)

3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements 
(and interference protection minimums)

-Charles

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Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

While on topic... I was reading on Dragonwave's group authentication.
Apparently it allows multiple to Radios to connect togeather, with Group
authentication.
Infering that the technology could be used for PtMP installations.

What first came to mind was using unlicensed 24Ghz, to get 100-300mbps PtMP
for connecting short proximity located Commercial buildings.

Can anyone confirm that the Dragonwave will work in PtMP.  (apposed to just
connecting a failover radio)
If so How is the protocol accomplished? I thought Dragonwave was TDD
based instead of CDMA? Is that not the case?

Obviously, beamwidth is narrow on 24Ghz (1.5 degree on a 2ft dish), but it
would not be for very short distances, with a panel.
Again, this would be very short distances, considering the rain fade and low
power requirements of 24Ghz.

And as well, in 23Ghz and 18Ghz, is there any rules that prevent PtMP, if it
was a narrow beam PtMP system, (for example 3 radio system) as long as all
three radios get considered in the Freq Coordination study?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?


>I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount.
>
> But agree with everything else
>
> :-)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>
>
> Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and
> for
> that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the
> best
> choice.
>
> For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some
> circumstances.
> Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft.
> (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or
> so, according to their docs.).  Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber
> termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the
> other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking
> the
> case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable
> deployments, I prefer Trango.  Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords
> not
> complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because
> they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz
> only have one ODU Pair choice).   Its also important to note, it should
> not
> be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private
> VLAN.  This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For
> example,
> Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the
> ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building.  This is
> enabled
> with zero complexity, that way.  The far end switch/router equipment do
> not
> need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is
> not
> useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit.
>
> Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair
> supports
> a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the
> Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its
> much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor
> radio.
> I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a
> full
> Horizon.  We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in
> place,
> and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement.   With that said,
> we
> love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero
> Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need
> to
> be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were
> the
> first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more
> expandabilty.  Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga,
> where
> split archetecture is needed.  Dragonwave offers a

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Re: [WISPA] Postage

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail 
statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, 
envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp

To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus 
system)

-Charles

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Of Aaron D. Osgood
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage

Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the
firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume
postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload
a digital file on "billing" day and they do the rest in hours

Aaron D. Osgood

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User
Group
Subject: [WISPA] Postage

Hi,

I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and
packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that
does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm
getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software
update because the post office changes their pricing.

What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of
each month, and then only a couple a day the other days.

thanks,

Travis
Microserv




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[WISPA] It's time again for those New Years Resolutions

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Fulfilling Your Dreams - Five Easy Steps

As we say farewell to 2008 and welcome 2009, it's time to shine.  What an idea 
juncture for reflecting, planning and determining what our dreams really are 
and how we will achieve them.  How many of you have already established your 
resolutions (goals) for 2009?  If you take this process to heart, it can 
transform every aspect of your life.

I've been a dedicated goal writer since high school, and herein I will share 
some notes and ideas about the process from my personal journal.

Insufficient Education

Studies suggest less than 4 percent of people in the United States set written 
goals.  The same studies show that many of that 4 percent are among the 
wealthiest people in the nations.
When I ask people why they don't set goals, they often say they don't know how 
or they've just never done it before.  Indeed, most people spend more time 
making grocery lists than planning for their most cherished dreams.  Isn't that 
unbelievable?

We go to school for a dozen or so years before graduating from high school.  
Afterwards, many of us go to trade schools, colleges or universities.  We learn 
many important disciplines in school, including math, history, economics, 
literature, science and so forth, but we miss one critically important skill: 
goal setting.

We obtain degrees, get pats on our backs, and go out into the world.  We may be 
full of knowledge and hope, but are generally ill-prepared to design and pursue 
the lives we really want.
Many of us didn't get this training at home because our parents have not been 
disciplined to write goals themselves.  As a result, we fall into the 96% of 
the population that goes through life having never understood or practiced the 
art of setting and obtaining goals and dreams.

How can you achieve that which you cannot see?

How can you strive toward a mark that's not even defined?

Whether you're already a goal setter, you used to set goals and quit, or you've 
never set goals, the following steps will help you build a better life.  Let's 
welcome 2009 with clarity of purpose and a plan to achieve our goals.

Step 1: What

Dream BIG.  Get a blank ledger pad and let your imagination run wild while you 
fill up your sheet of paper with everything you want to accomplish, become, 
experience or have.  Many adults have lost their ability to dream, and that's 
unfortunate.

By dreaming you instill hope for your future, and with hope, there's 
possibility.  So your assignment is to take this advice seriously and make a 
list.  During the coming week, devote at least one hour to dreaming.  I want 
you to create a "dream list" filled with ideas.

Your list should include at least 25 dreams pertaining to what you want to 
accomplish, become, experience or have.  The page should have lines.  Each goal 
should be to the left side of the line, with the remaining portion of that line 
left blank.  Skip a line between your goals, leaving plenty of room to write 
beside each goal.

You can separate your dreams into categories: family, education, work or 
business, travel, spirituality, personal objectives and so on.  Think about 
what you would like to accomplish in your lifetime.  What are your plans 
related to educating yourself and (for parents) your children.  Where would you 
like your family to live?  What type of house do you want?  What kind of car?

List several events you've always wanted to attend - perhaps concerts or 
sporting events like the Super Bowl or World Series.  When you think you're 
done, consider exotic vacations you've always dreamed of experiencing with your 
family but have never been able to pull together.

Most goals should be specific.  Envisioning a nice home is not as effective as 
depicting a 3,000-square-foot, Tudor-style home with four bedrooms, three full 
baths and two living spaces, a new car is not as good as a black, BMW 5 Series 
with tan leather interior or a silver Lexus RX 350 with charcoal interior.

Define how large you want your business to be.  How many customers will it 
have?  How many employees will work for you?  How much revenue will you 
generate?  How much profit will you earn?

Step 2: Why

After you complete your list, wait 24 to 48 hours.  Then for each item listed, 
write down WHY it is there.  If you can't verbalize in one sentence why you 
want to be, do or have this dream, then it's not really a dream and it won't 
become a goal.  Cross it off your list.  The why behind your dream is your real 
purpose.  If there's no legitimate why, there's no valid purpose in achieving 
or pursuing that goal.

Step 3: How & When

Implementation is the hardest part.

Beside each goal, you need to write down how you can achieve it.  What will it 
take?  One of the most critical components of goal setting is to begin 
pondering a realistic plan of action.  For example, if you have a goal to drop 
25 pounds, you should write down some specific ideas on how you can do that.

If you goal i

Re: [WISPA] U.S. Adults Choosing Internet Over Sex

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

The wife's in bed and I'm still...responding to message on this listserv =/

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] U.S. Adults Choosing Internet Over Sex

http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/reporting/showArticle.jhtml?art
icleID=212500440&subSection=News

Thought this article was pretty funny reading... So wanted to share it..



/ Eje




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Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

>I was told that Redlines's WiMax solution would be interoperable - but
>that was a salesmen speaking.

They are...

At a base level

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

To add to Jeff point...WiMAX certification & interoperability is limited to a 
"lowest common denominator" -- for example, looking at the MAC, 
interoperability is only guaranteed at the BE level (so unless there's some 
level of AP / CPE manufacturer cooperation, most of those nifty QoS features 
disappear)

-Charles

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Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 
3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain 
extent.  From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will 
work together but only on a "best effort" basis.  All QoS functionality is 
proprietary.  If you are just providing data services that should not be an 
issue though.

Once again, this is theory.  I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out 
a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE.

-Jeff
General Manager
CTI
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Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the
manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65

So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary
system, right?

George

Blair Davis wrote:
> rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
>> Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability?
>>
>> That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff.   We hate
the idea
>> of getting orphaned.
>>
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> Right on!  Some of us HAVE been orphaned!
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Re: [WISPA] PS

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

I've got a bunch (20+) of the Dragonwave AC Power Bricks laying around (they're 
48V)
Can you outline exact specs? And do you need a pin connector? Or are you just 
going to cut off the ends and jack it straight in?

-Charles

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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:09 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] PS

Hi,

Looking for a source for 48V power supplies (2 amp) in a desktop / brick
style.

thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

In small business (especially growing startups that are still looking to reach 
that critical mass of break-even / profitability, which, I generally see in the 
WISP space at about 1000 customers or $50k / month in total revenue) cash is 
king

If you look at statistics, over 80% of all small business failures occur in 
"highly profitable / fast growth situations" that simply "run out of cash"

It doesn't matter how many subscribers you have signed up for installation -- 
if you can't make payroll (which is generally the #1 expense of any business) / 
pay your bandwidth / tower / whatever bills, you're done

-Charles

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that
the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install.  You
still have to pay for it.  It may make cash flow easier but the ROI
takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co.
Can you help me with that one.



Steve



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds



Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install
fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on
every new customer.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

You are doing it.  Just keep bootstrapping.  Once you get 1000
subscribers
things will be a bit better.

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To: "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds




I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth
different
WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended
equipment
that is so often discussed on this list.



I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch
each
penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to
service the
clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other
that
what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8
towers with
320 clients.



The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a
$59.99 Pro
Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn
off the
speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M
on any
of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS
Full
Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost
of with
another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to
achieve
10MB to each client is financially Impossible.



Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.
What do
you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.



Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have
started you
service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have
and I
know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in
the same
boat.



So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND
definition
without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is
everyone
charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing
is not
readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.
No
Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
Verizon.



Steve Barnes

RC-WiFi.com






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Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

>Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage?

It doesn't

>Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability?

Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

>Best practices tell
>you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for
>yesterday.

Until the cold reality of cash flow and running a profitable business smacks 
you right in the face and then you're stuck trying to keep yesterday's network 
running as long as possible...

-Charles


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[WISPA] IP Pay / CTI in the News -- Check Out

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

ISPCON: An ISP Industry that Processes Credit Cards

Charles Wu and Layne Sisk say that ISPs can now serve a greater number of small 
businesses and cut out the credit card middle men.

by Alex Goldman
ISP-Planet Managing Editor
[November 11, 2008]

Orem, Utah-based ServerPlus is an ISPCON regular. 
The company, founded in 2000/2001, provides a variety of services to ISPs. As 
the ISP business gets tougher, ServerPlus does what it can to stay ahead of the 
game.

So I'm checking in with Layne Sisk, president of ServerPlus, to find out what's 
new. The economy is tough, but Salt Lake City's tech suburbs, a corporate 
center of excellence dating back to the founding of Novell and WordPerfect, is 
doing better than much of the rest of the country.

The key to gaining ground even in tough times is to always be offering new 
services.

IP Pay

Sisk is very enthusiastic about IP Pay, the service that Charles Wu of CTI 
discussed in detail at Spring ISPCON. "When we moved our own merchant 
processing to IP Pay, we saved $1,000 per month in credit card processing."

Now Sisk is using the IP Pay channel program to sell credit card processing to 
his customers.

http://www.isp-planet.com/news/2008/ispcon+credit+card.html


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[WISPA] ISPCON

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Who's going?

We are thinking of throwing a networking party / reception there on Wednesday 
night (right before ISP-CEO)
Wanted to know who'd be there to see if there's any  interest out there

-Charles


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[WISPA] IM

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Got tied up yesterday...do you have IM or something? Might be easier to catch 
you that way (I could ping you when I'm free, and we go from there)

-Charles

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