Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?
We do some business there but are very careful with every transaction. Cash up front most of the time. I think that is the main theme here. Just go in understanding the many unknowns, be cautious and don't get too involved until real money can be confirmed. That being said, no one can argue that the opportunities are huge in underdeveloped economies if you can find the right partner/customer. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? I have a good sized customer in Africa. Their network has been built steadily over time, and I've met the principle on several occasions. We've done lots of smaller projects, but always on a cash basis. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Exactly the same experience here. Lots of talk, long-winded network design, layout, and bidding process with numerous tweaks and revisions, and ultimately nothing. Complete waste of time for us, but I don't see what they get out of it either (?) Tom Sharples President Qorvus Systems, Inc. www.qorvus.com 800.757.1571 Ext 100 - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa? Is it just me, or do African wireless opportunities rarely materialize? I've been involved in tons and tons of big ($10+M, in theory) projects where all sorts of big numbers are thrown out, but for whatever reason, someone never ultimately pulls the trigger. (Not sure what I'm missing, but this seems to be a running theme with African projects I've ever gotten pulled in on.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary in Attendance
All attending the upcoming WiNOG in Chicago... I thought you would be interested to know that Patrick Leary will be speaking on the state of the WiMAX industry. Just a quick heads up because he has been quiet for a while now. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary in Attendance
Probably not until next year sometime. It was just there a couple months ago. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix A. Lopez Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary in Attendance Is WINOG coming back to the California area soon? --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary in Attendance To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:27 PM Yes, I will be there and appreciate Charles's invitation. Lots of interesting happenings to share. I may have been quiet, but I am more plugged in than ever. I look forward to seeing folks there. I will be in Chicago from Sunday night until Friday morning. - Patrick On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Jeff Ehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All attending the upcoming WiNOG in Chicago... I thought you would be interested to know that Patrick Leary will be speaking on the state of the WiMAX industry. Just a quick heads up because he has been quiet for a while now. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Patrick Leary Sageni Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 813.426.4230 skype: pleary WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
Yeah pretty sure we have some of the MTIs if that is what you are looking for. Email me. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas We use the MTI MT-485025/NVH, 23dBi dual-pol panel and have found them as low as $150 each. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curiousbr br I'm looking for a dual pol antenna...br br What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V-Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain. A narrow beam width is a plus.br br A grid or a dish will be fine. I'd like to keep the price down as if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective. I can mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to.br br This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of about 50ft of LMR-400.br br Thanks for any ideasbr br Blairbr br /body /html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special 2 Parts Technical Jargon 1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT :) Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in the clouds technology roadmaps, haha. What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear. Can't really describe the good parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days instead of being attacked by 300 vendors. I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS capabilities. Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this point. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Well, lets hear it! I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... grin -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Who would want to party with IPpay??? I hear those guys parties are terrible! :) -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON I really enjoyed your poker party last seasons before the CEO session. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON Who's going? We are thinking of throwing a networking party / reception there on Wednesday night (right before ISP-CEO) Wanted to know who'd be there to see if there's any interest out there -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 847-346-0990 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 847.326.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65
We are going to test this for ourselves but it is our understanding that all 3.65 WiMAX Forum Certified equipment is interoperable but only to a certain extent. From what I understand, Redline Base Stations and Tranzeo CPE will work together but only on a best effort basis. All QoS functionality is proprietary. If you are just providing data services that should not be an issue though. Once again, this is theory. I do not know of anyone who has actually tried out a system using Redline Base Stations and another manufacturer's CPE. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 Well its uses Wimax MAC, but ists not Wimax Forum Certified so the manufactures don't have to comply with interoperability Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 So this stuff then is not really WiMAX, it;s just another proprietary system, right? George Blair Davis wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea of getting orphaned. Right on! Some of us HAVE been orphaned! -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?
That is a great idea. Never thought about it before. With Chuck's comment, I am curious to see how much usable copper is in the cable though. -Jeff From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga [mar...@dcaccess.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable? We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a couple of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a place to recycle this? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?
Thinking about it more though, the cost of the cable fluctuates a lot with the price of the commodity. Purchasing becomes a big pain sometimes so I think there may be some cash in it. I think a lot of us would like to know what you get for it. -Jeff From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman [jeh...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable? That is a great idea. Never thought about it before. With Chuck's comment, I am curious to see how much usable copper is in the cable though. -Jeff From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga [mar...@dcaccess.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable? We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a couple of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a place to recycle this? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Sorry for bringing up an old topic but I thought about it last night and it should be touched on. We are all in extremely commoditized industries where margins are thin and streamlined operations are a key to success. In these types of businesses, every little bit counts. Finding a one size fits all solution that will take over a space doesn't happen overnight (if ever). What makes a business truly stand out is doing a million little things better than the competition. So, $500.00 is not something that is going to make any of us rich, but if you can find $500 savings or improvements in places that your competition hasn't thought of, it really starts to add up. It is much harder to attack a million army ants than one huge elephant. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Wow you saved 500/mo? That has to be like 25c per customer! Glad you get your money quicker though :) On 12/12/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :) Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] White Cable Available
We have just partnered closely with a manufacturer that will have beige and white available. Low cost un-shielded UV, CMX, PVC jacket. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Fadgen Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] White Cable Available I have a source for white outdoor cable. I had a Manufacturer/Distributor make some special cable. 1000' is about the same price as General Cable 500' purchased from Home Depot. Hit me offlist for the contact info. I believe Travis buys for the same source. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list. It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go with. I would be more than happy to walk you through everything. I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two products? Close is a relative term don't you agree? So, are we talking $5, $50, $500, $5000? Look forward to your responses. Thank you, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I'll get this posted later today. Unbelievably busy this morning. Give me some time. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I will second this, I would love to hear it! -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Isn't that the purpose of a public forum? :) Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list. It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go with. I would be more than happy to walk you through everything. I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two products? Close is a relative term don't you agree? So, are we talking $5, $50, $500, $5000? Look forward to your responses. Thank you, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Only half of the truth. Was the quote less... yes. Is it related to the conversation right now (i.e. Apex line vs. Dragonwave)... no. NOT APPLES TO APPLES. The particular quote was for a Trango GIGA line, not APEX (need for T-1 ports). In order to get the reliability needed, we had to quote a higher dish size with the GIGA because of modulation issues. The GIGA line will bring down the throughput during rain in order to keep the link going but not automatically bring it back to normal speeds. It is a brief time period but you have to bring the link down in order to fix it and up to +300mbps again. Because this customer has HIGH SLAs we had to be very careful that the link didn't go down. With a comparable Dragonwave, we were able to quote a smaller dish size due to automatic modulation. So, because of the raw cost of smaller dishes and then leasing costs of less space due to smaller dishes, the Dragonwave quote came in lower. This is an exception and not a rule. If it were not for the need of the T-1 ports, everything would have been normal pricing because the APEX line does speed up without the need of bringing the link down. This is the most popular option right now so there is a little misunderstanding. APPLES TO APPLES, the Trango APEX product will be 10-20% lower cost. Bottom line. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to
[WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
All, This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios. I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are other options on the high capacity side right now. Check out everything below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over the years. Just something to mull over this weekend. THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES. ~110mbps Licensed Radio Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per side = $1,300.00 2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = ~$11,933.00 ~150mbps Unlicensed Radio 150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00 -Jeff CTI There is a Difference WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
150 is half duplex, so not this one. I should have specified that. Looking back, to really get a true comparison you would have to look at the 300mbps full which comes out to about 14k street. The licensed is FDX at 110mbps. So, this actually makes the case stronger for the licensed radio. Save about 2k. I believe the full (300mbps) spectrum cost is 30MHz. I assume the cost for the licensed link doesn't really matter but it is somewhere around 40-50MHz. -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Ok, I'll bite. What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at what RF spectrum cost? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed All, This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios. I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are other options on the high capacity side right now. Check out everything below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over the years. Just something to mull over this weekend. THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES. ~110mbps Licensed Radio Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per side = $1,300.00 2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = ~$11,933.00 ~150mbps Unlicensed Radio 150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00 -Jeff CTI There is a Difference WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
Since it is Friday and I am bored Here's some interesting points 11 GHz Licensed Radio - 220 Mb (110 FD): -76 dBm PTP600 - 300 Mb (150 FD): -59.1 dBm - 200 Mb (100 FD): -68.1 dBm 12 Mile Shot - Availability for both systems using 2' dishes is 99.999% -- but we may need larger dishes for 5 GHz to account for interference and noise (while in the licensed band, interference and noise doesn't exist) Assuming no noise for PTP600 - 2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 200.68 Mb (~100 Mb Full Duplex) - 4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 287.69 Mb (~140 Mb Full Duplex) Now, since the PTP600 requires 30 MHz of spectrum and BOTH polarities, it's safe to assume that generally speaking, we should plan for a minimum thermal noise floor of -80 dBm - adding that into the equation, our calculation now shows the following - 2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 109.03 Mb (~50 Mb Full Duplex) - 4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 197.61 Mb (~100 Mb Full Duplex) 11 GHz Licensed Radio (no noise to worry about) - 2' (34.3 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 220 Mb (110 Mb Full Duplex) *NOTE: Licensed radios transmit and receive on SEPARATE frequencies...so round trip latency is ~0.4 milliseconds (~400 microseconds) per hop Now, let's look at cost PTP600 with 2' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $14k PTP600 with 4' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $16k Licensed Radio with 2' Dishes (Software Upgradable to 300 Mb Full Duplex) and FCC License: $12k -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed IMHO the PTP600 is the best UL radio in the market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed From what I understand the PTP600 is an OFDM best effort radio. If the RF environment is favorable then it will pass data. If not then it slows down and/or starts dropping packets. I believe the PTP600 is also a HDX radio, is it not? Not trying to be adversarial...just interested in learning more about any UL radio that can produce 150Mbpd FDX as reliable as a licensed radio set. Anyone have a PTP600 manual they can send me? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Just the PTP600 that I think off ... 30 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Ok, I'll bite. What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at what RF spectrum cost? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed All, This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios. I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are other options on the high capacity side right now. Check out everything below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over the years. Just something to mull over this weekend. THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES. ~110mbps Licensed Radio Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per side = $1,300.00 2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = ~$11,933.00 ~150mbps Unlicensed Radio 150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00 -Jeff CTI There is a Difference WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
Travis, not everyone is in the middle of nowhere Idaho shooting from mountain top to mountain top with very little noise over 1 75 mile hop :) I have a feeling many people on this list would DIE for that kind of environment. Now, I have to say there will always be a place for certain products to fit in and admittedly my case was pretty general. On the flip side though, I think it does pertain to a lot of [typical] situations we come across on a daily/weekly basis. None of us can come up with a one size fits all because there will always be those outside cases but we can generalize for certain scenarios. For example, check out the post I just put up. Pretty standard 12 mile shot that we messed around with. Predictably, the real killer is noise. -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Jeff, I think you have made a fine point. I realized about a year ago that with the cost of licensed links coming down, there wasn't a lot of reason to look at the high-end UL radios anymore.When a StarOS or MT setup will deliver 30-50meg of FD throughput at a very low cost, the next logical step is to go with a 100MB licensed link.I have a couple of my consulting clients that have been dumping their Moto BH links in favor of StarOS because it is cheaper and quite a bit faster, but we have also found a few situations where we need more speed, and going licensed just makes way more sense than spending that much money on a UL link. I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however. I've got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but only put out about 18-25meg at those distances. That's enough for me, but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed link. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, First let me say we LOVE our Trango licensed links. However, the one issue you are not taking into account is distance. I just did a path calc on a 73 mile 5ghz link we have now using a PTP600 and it looks really good there is no way to do that shot with 11ghz (believe me, if I could I would). So, distance may be a limiting factor when considering licensed vs. unlicensed. We won't talk about my 32 mile, 18ghz licensed link (using 2ft dishes) with 99.99% reliability. ;) Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Since it is Friday and I am bored Here's some interesting points 11 GHz Licensed Radio -220 Mb (110 FD): -76 dBm PTP600 -300 Mb (150 FD): -59.1 dBm -200 Mb (100 FD): -68.1 dBm 12 Mile Shot - Availability for both systems using 2' dishes is 99.999% -- but we may need larger dishes for 5 GHz to account for interference and noise (while in the licensed band, interference and noise doesn't exist) Assuming no noise for PTP600 -2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 200.68 Mb (~100 Mb Full Duplex) -4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 287.69 Mb (~140 Mb Full Duplex) Now, since the PTP600 requires 30 MHz of spectrum and BOTH polarities, it's safe to assume that generally speaking, we should plan for a minimum thermal noise floor of -80 dBm - adding that into the equation, our calculation now shows the following -2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 109.03 Mb (~50 Mb Full Duplex) -4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 197.61 Mb (~100 Mb Full Duplex) 11 GHz Licensed Radio (no noise to worry about) -2' (34.3 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 220 Mb (110 Mb Full Duplex) *NOTE: Licensed radios transmit and receive on SEPARATE frequencies...so round trip latency is ~0.4 milliseconds (~400 microseconds) per hop Now, let's look at cost PTP600 with 2' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $14k PTP600 with 4' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $16k Licensed Radio with 2' Dishes (Software Upgradable to 300 Mb Full Duplex) and FCC License: $12k -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed IMHO the PTP600 is the best UL radio in the market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I understand the idea but I would suggest just putting up yard signs or snail mail flyers. I would say something along the lines High Speed Internet is Thinking of Your Area. Call 800-467-2346 if you are interested. Take information that way. There are some problems I see with the hotspot idea. First, this is an area with people not used to high speed internet so I think it would be very tough for them to figure out how to connect to the access point. Also, I would assume that not too many people out there have a need for a laptop or travel around with one if they do. Third, it would be much easier to make a simple flyer and mail it then trying to buy/configure/install a wireless hotspot. ESPECIALLY if you are looking at Mikrotik and have never used it before. -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Promotion I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
We have quite a few live Aperto networks being deployed with residential and/or business services. I am not going to speak for the deployment of Aperto gear over the entire U.S. but I can say they are out there. -Jeff CTI There is a Difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: Matt, How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable? I don't think anything from my first paragraph makes Aperto not viable. I am not sure I even like the term viable. I wouldn't suggest Aperto or recommend them as a WiMAX vendor. Of course, I don't have any direct experience with Aperto's current product line. Therefore, I can't compare and contrast their offerings to other WiMAX vendors that I do have experience with. Anecdotical evidence suggests that Aperto is not widely deployed. According to Aperto's press releases I only see one company mentioned that has deployed their WiMAX gear in the US. I don't know much about Zing to which the press release mentions. What I do know is that according to ULS they have only been approved to deploy a single Aperto radio. Further, at WiMAX World last year it seemed that Zing's CTO was employed by Aperto in sales. Compare this to Redline and Alvarion, which have lots of approved radios in ULS and multiple US customers including some large customers. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Yes. What he said -Jeff Ehman -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org
[WISPA] [FOR SALE] Product Announcements at CTI - Beehive Super Stingers Added
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Sorry all for those emails. Having some troubles today. Darn Friday afternoons... -Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP
Ruckus Wireless. Hands down. Their smart antenna array, price point and simple configuration/maintenance are unmatched. Plus, this pertains to larger projects but if their controller goes down all the APs still broadcast! The only functionality that goes away is support/maintenance but at least everyone can still get on the internet. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP So many different things out on the market right now. What would you guys recommend for a reliable AP for use inside a conference room for a business requiring rock solid access? B/G would be OK, but would prefer to go ahead and have N as well. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP
What do you mean by a Ruckus box? Their APs go from a couple hundred up to nearly 1k depending on the model. The controller starts just over 1k and goes up to over 20k. They have a wide portfolio. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP What is a Ruckus box running now-a-days? ryan On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: Ruckus Wireless. Hands down. Their smart antenna array, price point and simple configuration/maintenance are unmatched. Plus, this pertains to larger projects but if their controller goes down all the APs still broadcast! The only functionality that goes away is support/maintenance but at least everyone can still get on the internet. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP So many different things out on the market right now. What would you guys recommend for a reliable AP for use inside a conference room for a business requiring rock solid access? B/G would be OK, but would prefer to go ahead and have N as well. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP
I would not compare Ruckus to Ubiquiti and Engenius. That is like comparing a Bobcat to a full blown Cat bulldozer. Sure they are considered mobile construction equipment to move large piles of heavy scraps but they serve completely different applications. It is better to compare Ruckus to Cisco, Meru, Aruba ect... When looking at the commercial grade products, Ruckus blows the competition out of the water. You can put together a low cost solution together with Engenius and Ubiquiti but support can be a nightmare and you will need to install, maintain and configure FAR more access points per square foot. Ruckus is a commercial grade product for commercial applications. When you look at that price point, Ruckus uses less APs and comes in much lower than the others. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP Ruckus is way more expensive then Engenius or Ubiquiti. I think the cheapest thing they have is ~$300. Gets pretty steep. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: What do you mean by a Ruckus box? Their APs go from a couple hundred up to nearly 1k depending on the model. The controller starts just over 1k and goes up to over 20k. They have a wide portfolio. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP What is a Ruckus box running now-a-days? ryan On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: Ruckus Wireless. Hands down. Their smart antenna array, price point and simple configuration/maintenance are unmatched. Plus, this pertains to larger projects but if their controller goes down all the APs still broadcast! The only functionality that goes away is support/maintenance but at least everyone can still get on the internet. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP So many different things out on the market right now. What would you guys recommend for a reliable AP for use inside a conference room for a business requiring rock solid access? B/G would be OK, but would prefer to go ahead and have N as well. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] HotSpots
+1. A lot more about the specific project is needed to give a reasonable recommendation. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HotSpots What kind of venue is this? I have free hotels and higher class services for event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Looking at adding some more pay as you go hotspots and wanted to know: What is other most subscribed to offering on a hotspot? Per hour, per day, per week, per month? What limits do you set on speed? What limits do you set on MB/GB /subscription? What do you charge? (hour, day, week, month) Do you let it be used at other hotspots you have in other areas. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] You knew it was coming... ATT will be redoing the pricing plans for I Phone and I Pad charging a fee plus overages. There's good news for existing iPad and iPhone users who feel that the new plans will cost them more: ATT said existing ATT customers -- including the 50 million iPhone and iPad users in the United States -- have the option of sticking with their old $30 unlimited plan. The Full story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/02/technology/att_iphone_ipad WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
LCA for Canopy. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I would recommend Peer to Peer lending options. (Google peer to peer lending). They will end up being personal loans, and likely lower credit lines, but there is a much higher chance of walking away with a loan, at a reasonable rate. If you meet the financial profile for leasing, Lease Corp of America has some of the lowest rates. They do a lot of the Moto 1yr type leases. With LCA it wont be an issue that you are leasing wireless gear, because they do that all the time. A couple tips on leasing If you do less than 5 mil a year in revenue, or have less than 10 employee, chances are your lease will be qualified by personal credit rating. Most Leasing companies are clueless, and are incapable of making an intelligent judgement on their own, and instead rely heavilly on standard Credit Reports. If your personal Credit Score is less than 700, or personal revolving credit lines over 50% utilized, dont bother applying for a lease, you'll probably get denied.. Work to improve credit score first. The price quote you get for equipment (for example whether 30% below or above market rate, whether a good or bad deal) will likely have very little to do with your approval. Approval is more about documentation. On paper, whether you look like a low credit risk or not, using default common methods of valuing, without an expanation needed. My personal opinion is WISPs are likely better off working with a local banks or private lenders, where they can meet underwriting decission makers in person. WISPs appear like far less of a risk, when their business is explained to the lender. That message will rarely get conveyed adequately to behind the scene decission makers in traditional large leasing companies. Avoid applying for a lease, unless you are confident that you will get accepted, because everytime an inquirey is made on your credit report by a lender, future lenders will question why you might have been turned down by them, which brings up concern, and that inquirey will be on your record for 2 years, and nothing you can do about it. Even if you decided to turn down the loan because you were offered loan shark rates. Leasers know who they loansharks are, and if they made an inquirey, but you dont have a loan from them, they now dont know whether you turned them down or they turned you down. IF a loan shark wont lend to you, why should they? I've found applying for leases to be a very delicate and unforgiving process. No one has to convince me on value of leasing, I get it. Obviously, there are numerous WISP Members that are successful at obtaining Leases. But what I'm learning is that they are all more or less exactly the same, in regards to methods they use to qualify/approve applicants. Although they may vary drastically on how well they manage the loan/client experience or ethically handle the application process, or what lease terms they'll extend. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Any other suggestions? mc On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Travis, I surprised you didnt mention: Taycor Financial -An Inc 500 Company- 6100 Center Drive, Suite 710 Los Angeles, CA 90045 Direct: (310) 895-7717, Fax: (310) 568-9922 dolyn...@taycor.com, www.taycor.com On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Be prepared to sign over your company to them if you use them for anything. :( Travis Layne Sisk wrote: Here is a leasing guy. We don't lease from him but he provides leasing to several of the WISPs that we support. Not cheap but he has money to lend out. Bill MacNamara Vice President Agility Ventures 101 E. Gurley, Ste. 202 Prescott, AZ 86301 928.541.0771 Office 928.541.0773 Fax 928.970.1340 Mobile www.agilityventures.com If you need more info let me know. -Layne Layne Sisk www.ServerPlus.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Anyone working with some decent leasing companies? We're growing faster than our current leasing companies can support. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] tvws $$$$$$$$$$$
Plenty of manufacturers have TVWS gear in their pipeline. We had this discussion last week but Motorola is very far along in their development as well as Alvarion and plenty of the other carrier grade names. I know Airspan already made and deployed TVWS gear for a special project too. No one has officially announced anything but it will be coming quickly. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tvws $$$ Cost = x Vendor = y I will give you x and y in 6 months to 2 years. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Just a few quick questions.Who will actually make the gear?What will it cost??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Extra jacketed CAT5e
Double jacket cable comes in both indoor and outdoor. The difference between the two is the mixed into compound. There are chemicals that make the PE UV rated. They could both feel the exact same (durable and heavy) but one could be indoor and crumble in a couple years from sun and one could be outdoor and last for years. You really have to find a reliable supplier that will provide information because many just think an aluminum foil shield makes it outdoor. THIS IS FAR FROM THE CASE. Just because it is heavy does not mean it will be good in the sun. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Extra jacketed CAT5e There is outdoor cable with two jackets I saw some about a month ago and if I find the info I'll send it over. I saved it because it looked interesting. I have a piece of it somewhere too.. put it in a safe place can't find now lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Extra jacketed CAT5e Kurt, We bought a box of Belkin outdoor a few years back and it turned out to be indoor cable with a second jacket. We put a 150 foot run on a tower and crossed a flat roof and down a wall with another drop. Both started to loose the outer jacket within a couple of years, it just split apart and exposed the indoor cable to the elements. We've since replaced both runs. I don't have a part number but wanted you to know our experience. Dave Hulsebus Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I seen some cat5e once that had a second jacket around it, it was obviously made for outdoors and was very durable and it was running through a woods just laying on the ground. I think it was made by Belkin. Does anyone know what this is and if you have a link where I can get it that would be great. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
You still need power to the AP but no need to run Cat5 through a building for new locations. This takes some engineering and additional products but not hard at all. Any location under 4 APs though (should be most) you don't even need the ZoneDirector. Just the 3 APs. Cool part is, 3 APs can cover a ton of ground. We put one up and got good signal from over 3 buildings away in our business park. Very cool and inexpensive stuff. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
Also, we have a couple SPs that are using indoor wifi as an additional source of income to their existing business customers. Sell the hardware and a get monthly maintenance contract signed for $15.00 a month. Adds almost 10% profit for $200.00 T1 customers with no investment. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP You still need power to the AP but no need to run Cat5 through a building for new locations. This takes some engineering and additional products but not hard at all. Any location under 4 APs though (should be most) you don't even need the ZoneDirector. Just the 3 APs. Cool part is, 3 APs can cover a ton of ground. We put one up and got good signal from over 3 buildings away in our business park. Very cool and inexpensive stuff. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New Opportunities
Good luck on your future endeavors and whatever you take on next. You have done a wonderful job and we all appreciate the work/effort you have put into this industry over the past years. These are tough times for many people in our country. Thank you for everything Rick. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorla List Beehive'; indi...@wispa.org; o...@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola II] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New Opportunities This is a short note to all of my Wireless Industry acquaintances and my former coworkers. As of Tuesday afternoon, February 23rd, 2010, I have reached an agreement to terminate my employment contract with Great American Broadband. Great American Broadband purchased my company in July, 2008. Unfortunately, continued differences of opinions between corporate and myself have led to much dissatisfaction for both parties. One of the reasons, I wanted to remove myself from my Employment Contract was that I see new opportunities abound with the Broadband Stimulus Package. I felt the need to open myself up to these new opportunities instead of watching them pass me by. I built a successful ISP/WISP since 1995 and have/had an excellent staff. Their hard work allowed me to devote a lot of volunteer time in co-founding and participating on the WISPA Board. I know I couldn't have helped make WISPA what it is today without the assistance of my staff in my business. Sandi (my wife of 25 years) and I have both decided to leave employment with GAB. While it is a scary time in our life, I believe a new opportunity or opportunities will arise rather quickly. I believe that most of my acquaintances in the industry know that I operate with a high level of integrity and work ethic. I'm excited to find out whether others recognize and value my abilities, reputation and commitment to the Broadband Industry. I ask for your prayers as Sandi and I journey into this new uncharted territory. I have never been unemployed and hopefully it won't last long. One thought I have considered is making a proposal to the WISPA Board to become the Executive Director for WISPA. I do many of those functions already and enjoy working with the industry members. I am no longer a principal member of WISPA with my release from GAB, but I have joined WISPA as an Associate Member to finish out my term as President. I will see what direction my new career leads me in the next few months before deciding to continue on the Board or not. I'm excited as I know there are better opportunities for myself and my family than the circumstances I have been involved with the last couple years. I have always been a self-employed entrepreneur until the GAB purchase. I thrive on building and developing new business and opportunities and this has led to some of my unhappiness recently. I say goodbye to my current staff with many regrets and much pride. So this is an invitation of sorts. I'm ready to travel, consult, investigate, write, develop and explore new opportunities. I'm confident in my abilities, my knowledge and my relationships to be successful whatever unfolds. Respectfully, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.orgmailto:rharn...@wispa.org 260-307-4000 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing anything with infrastructure. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
And keep in mind, if your business is smaller there is a lot less overhead so a larger one will need to raise that minimum comfortable level. The one thing you need to look at though, is if they received funding to build-out DSL somehow. There are a lot of government funded grants out there. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Thats right and my point. I dont see $15/month anywhere near sustainable for any company. My curiosity is, what number is? As I mentioned, for me $49.99/month is comfortable. Any lower and things get sacrificed. I run a tight ship and am frugal. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing anything with infrastructure. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, it is a race but whoever has the customers first has the upper-hand by a long-shot. I was commenting on keeping existing business not grabbing new business. New business will be tough to get besides word-of-mouth advertising. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of cash... If you run out before they do, the results are just as deadly. I can't compete with $15 DSL. Nobody can.Not even them.As you say, it's not sustainable, so look at where they really intend to compete, and at what rates. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity VLAN Capability
I doubt Nano2s do layer 2 VLAN tagging but I don't have the experience to talk that in-depth about it. There is probably a backdoor way (like Faisal talked about) but I would just suggest a layer2/3 device that does it by port behind the AP. You can find them pretty inexpensively. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity VLAN Capability I was going to say the same, so I will add, I put MT's behind UBNT's to handle the IP layer. I let the UBNT hardware do the RF layer, which they do pretty well. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: The Nano's run Openwrt under the hood. The only thing proprietary on them is the 'radio driver'. you can download the SDK kit and do mods, such as adding ospf or oslr or even quagga. There are a number of folks who have posted how to recipes on the UBNT forums on vlans and multiple ssid's etc. This is all via the command line interface (ssh or telnet). I am making the assumption that you want the NANO to be Vlan Aware on the radio. and not talking about just passing multiple VLAN's from a Switch and using the Nano as a pass thru bridge ? (pass thru functionality is there in the standard unit as long as you are using the AP CPE in the WDS mode). Faisal On 4/13/2010 2:42 PM, Tracy Tippett wrote: Has anyone had experience getting the Nano products to support multiple VLANs I looked at the forum but wasn't able to decipher a clear answer. Does it require a third party software patch? Tracy Tippett --Original Mail-- From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
We have seen a lot of this actually. For small trailer parks or neighborhood blocks that can't see a tower. Basically, have a Moto SM go to a rooftop that can reach the AP and then put a NS2 behind it pointing in the direction of a group of houses that you normally can't see. Put the NS2 in AP mode and reach an addition 5-10 customers. The cost of a Moto AP may not justify adding a small 5-10 customers but the NS2 makes a little more sense. I personally wouldn't recommend this because network management can become a huge PITA but for smaller SPs every dollar increase matters. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Francois D. Menard Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Actually, both work together ... we extend our Canopy PPPoE bridged segments with Ubnt's for el-cheapo point-to-point extensions ... Sort of a Moto Canopy P2MP-to-UBnt(P)-to-UBnt(P) F. On 2010-04-13, at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's not so much what you're discussing there as much as the capabilities of the ptmp products. You simply can not offer the latency guarantees using Ubiquiti/802.11 that Canopy provides. Now if you've got 3 people to serve I think it's financially ridiculous to get a Canopy system involved... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much easier... but having some numbers to go along with this would be great. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Philly
If anyone in or around Philly has some time this afternoon, we have a Canopy 10mbps link for a customer that is down. It was configured properly when it was sent out, something went wrong on their install. Anyone want to get back for 3-4 hours service in Philly this afternoon? If so, give me a call. -Jeff Jeffrey S. Ehman General Manager jeh...@cticonnect.commailto:mkr...@converge-tech.com cell: 630-768-2042 * office: 312-205-2509 * fax 773 326-4641 [cid:image001.gif@01CADC9B.D11D2430] http://www.converge-tech.com/ [cid:image002.jpg@01CADC9B.D11D2430] 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=enie=UTF8q=convergence+technologies,near=Burr+Ridge,+ILfb=1cid=41737923,-87940278,9511917714351008728li=lmdz=14iwloc=Aom=0 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773-326-4641 There is a Difference inline: image001.gifinline: image002.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Licensed PMP Gear
There are quite a few 2.5GHz manufacturers out there. The hard part is acquiring the spectrum to use it. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Licensed PMP Gear Is anyone out there making licensed Point to Multipoint gear? -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
