Re: [WISPA] From ATT public policy blog- Comcast vs Level3

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I guess what I don't understand about this whole thing is how much
traffic one ISP is sending another.  So, if you send me too much
traffic, you must pay.  I think nearly every WISP on this list is
receiving more traffic than we are sending AND we are paying for it.
Why are they not paying us?



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[WISPA] 21 to 19 Rack Adapters

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Does anyone know where to get the rack adapters so you can mount
normal 19 rackmounts in the wider racks?



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[WISPA] Tower Enclosure

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Anyone have any suggestions for a small enclosure to use on a tower?
We plan to put it at about 500 feet
with a fiber convertor, switch and power for the APs.



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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af
converters.



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Re: [WISPA] OSPF Route Cost Calculations

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Basically, what is the fastest link in your network?  Let's say you
have a GigE link.  You'll set that cost to 1.  Let's say you have a
backup link that is a licensed 18GHz link that runs 350 Mbps.  You
would make that cost a 3.  Then, you have a half-duplex Ubiquiti link.
 Normally you would count it as 100 Mbps but since it's half duplex,
you might want to divied it by two.  So, instead of setting it to 10,
you'd set it to 20.

If you have equal cost link but want one favored over the other,
adjust the priority.

Then, make sure you are using the correct type 1/type 2 calculations
for your network typology.



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Re: [WISPA] OVPN Question

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Not familiar with OVPN, but you could setup a /30 for the with the VPN
and then use EoIP to bridge the networks.



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Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy......

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From the sounds of it, a buddy may have wacked him and stashed the
body up there!
But then again, I'm sure many of you climb alone in your underwear in
the dead of winter.



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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I just activated my Samsung LTE MiFi router and am getting 6-10 Mbps
down and 5 Mbps up
at the office.



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Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

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Bridgewave does as well.



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[WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install

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We are mounting close to a 50kW FM antenna and want to use heavy,
double shielded cable
for the runs to the APs since we've seen issues in the past.  Fiber up
the tower but will need
3-4 ft jumpers to the APs.

Any recommendations?



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install

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I'm assuming that's single shielded and not double shielded.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
 http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/cat5e-shielded.htm

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 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
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 Sent: April 13, 2011 8:36 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install

 We are mounting close to a 50kW FM antenna and want to use heavy, double
 shielded cable for the runs to the APs since we've seen issues in the
 past.  Fiber up the tower but will need
 3-4 ft jumpers to the APs.

 Any recommendations?


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Rope

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Can the 1/2 Arborist Rope be used as a lifeline?



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Re: [WISPA] Fuel surcharge for Customer Repairs?

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Does your local Cable Co. or TelCo charge fuel surcharges when there
is a problem with their cable plant?



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

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Any ideas on when the PoE gear will be available?



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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

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Solectek just had a summer offer of like $3k or something on their
licensed 100Mbps product.



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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

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Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.



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[WISPA] WTB: Trango Giga IDU

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Does anyone have a Trango Giga IDU that aren't using?



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Re: [WISPA] New Stuff from MUM

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I've been dying to see the new RB2011 model.  We have several sites
that could use this
now!



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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

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80GHz will work but it's pricey.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matt Jenkins
m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:
 Where is this link going to be? (City/State?)

 On 10/26/2011 09:02 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote:
 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


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 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Haiahja...@hotmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
 option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



 
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Re: [WISPA] Service needed

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I think Bay Broadband covers Salisbury, MD.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 I have found WISPs in Eagle Pass TX and Lake Charles LA.

 But I still need service in Sherman TX and Salisbury MD.



 Anyone got any ideas?



 Ralph

 Brightlan.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name....

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Personally I'd avoid wireless in the name and use networks or broadband.

GuarNet - Guardian Networks
NetGuar - Network Guardians
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[WISPA] Service in Belmont Park, NY?

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Does anyone service Belmont?
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

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We are lucky as most speedtest.net servers are within 2ms of us.
(Probably because we are in two main colos.)  Ran one on my desktop at
the office yesterday for a prospect and pulled 88 Mbps/92 Mbps from my
100Base-T connected desktop.  We are 3 wireless hops from some tests
and 5 from others.

There is one speedtest.net site that sucks from our network.  And it
seems to be the one the customers get all the time.  Once they get any
other server, it's fine.
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Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

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All things equal, SAF has a 5 year warranty and fantastic tech
support. We have both Trango and SAF in our network and now all new
links are SAF exclusively.
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Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

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I don't understand, SAF has a standard power version and a high power
version.  Cost difference isn't much.
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Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

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You got off cheap!  Trango charged me $5000 to tell me we fried the
replacement ODU unit they sent while repairing our IDU for a coffee
spill.  (Housed in a rack in our data center 10 ft in the air.)
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik cloudrouter..

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Download the latest RC7 before deploying this device.  Every time we
tried to deploy it, we had an issue.  We'll be turning our first up
next week as they appear to have worked out most of the bugs we were
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik cloudrouter..

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Yes, we have one we put in production Friday with the latest rc10.
Running 6 BGP sessions but only handing out the default route to
customers.  All the sessions have been up since the router was put in.
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Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Siklu Eband -finally affordable

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FYI, Siklu is half-duplex unlike other radios in the space and has shorter
ranges than Bridgewave.


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 **
 Thanks Sam :-)

 As for 80Ghz. yes, 80g gets better range than 60ghz because its better
 characteristics against oxygen absorbtion, maybe 30% further.. I had worked
 with 80 and 60gb quite a bit, the problem was it was just to darn
 expensive, for last mile links.  80 and 60 gig can actually go much much
 further, the issue is rain fade, where a radio that could go 7miles in the
 dry would be limited to 1 mile in the rain. To combat the rain, high power
 had to be used. So if the radios are put to close togeather, without the
 rain, then they overload the recievers of the other end. So... vendors
 usually make different power models hard set to a specific power, tuned to
 a minimum and maximum distance. As well few models did adaptive modulation,
 because they operated more like dumb models. The embedded CPU boards for
 like management generally were out of band from the data path, so hard to
 improve with software.
 The big challenge with these type systems is that the freq is highly
 reflective and they are vulnerable to multipath. The links are super fast
 in ideal situation, but the slightest change in environment or alignment
 can cause the links to get errors and packetloss, and then TCP throughput
 goes to crap. It can be hard to tell when a link is performing like crap,
 when the ISP cant remotely run tests through the link, or without smart
 tools in the radios to report on such quality.
 Because of these challenges, and huge prices of 80Ghz, ISP wer better off
 chosing licensed Part-101 Microwave.

 But at $3500 this is a total game changer.  The 1ft dishes should be good
 for a mile. And they have adaptive modulation, running at QPSK or QAM16, so
 one can push the speed on dry days. and survive the eeatehr better on rain
 days. Millimeter wave benefits from adaptive modulation more than other
 lower bands, because the amount of rain fade is so much higher and
 therefore such a higher need to have adaptive modulation on the radio to
 cure it.

 If you just look at a single link, Id argue 24Ghz is often a better
 choice, now that 24Ghz vendors have some exciting options for us. (You know
 who you are SAF, Ubiquiti, Trango, etc).  But for an ISP, it really boils
 down to colocating. How many radios can you get installed at a tower? 80Ghz
 is narrower beam than 24G, and can colocate at a closer angle to an
 adjacent radio. But at minimum, its a second freq to use, to double links.

 The falisy with 60hz is that its interference free. Its not in urban
 America because the reflections from other radios can cause interference
 even though it has a narrow pencil beam. As well interference can actually
 occur from 7 miles away in dry  even though range is thought to be short
 because it is in rain fade conditions.

 The bottom line for Urban Wireless is... We need faster last mile speeds
 to serve commercial tenant buildings.  UNlicensed links that we used to use
 to serve entire buildings or even entire groups of buildings now barely
 have enough capacity for a single subscriber. Thank Comcast for selling
 50mb circuits by default for pennies. Wireless backhaul starts to convert
 to local fiber aggregation direct to towers. And high speed wireless starts
 to migrate to last mile single building. But for ISPs to afford
 installing their sales, the last mile radios need to be cheap. 10, 20, 30k
 just doesnt cut it.

 But sub $3500, now that gets exciting.  A single T1 replacement customer
 can fund the ISP's upgrade ROI in a year. I also believe this to be a
 strong case for convincing banks, lending to WISPs is a low risk loan.


 what Im interested in most with the new Siklu radios is knowing whether
 they have embedded tools to be able to remotely tell the quality of the
 link. To make it easy for ISPs to support remotely.
 Many original generation products did not.



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
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 *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2013 3:27 PM
 *Subject:* [Spam] Re: [WISPA] Siklu Eband -finally affordable

 Wow!

 (partially because of the price drop, but mostly because I haven't seen
 Tom post in forever, welcome back)

 I haven't really studied up on 80GHz stuff, but it is my understanding
 that you don't have to worry about rain fade, and you have 10GHz of
 spectrum to use which should ease co-location issues.

 On 04/04/2013 09:06 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Its been ages since I've posted, butthis advertisement surely caught
 my eye.

 Siklu Eband radios (licenced light) for sub $3500 per link.  FINALLY !!!
 We can afford to start using this 70G spectrum.

 Some may say not that exciting, considering 24Ghz products have already
 hit that price mark and 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

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The Titaniums will run on any 802.3af equipment.  So I'd say they are
becoming more standards-based.  Now the AirFiber power is another story.


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:

 I would argue that WISP industry standard is 12-28 V poe, as the
 majority of the equipment that vendors distribute use power supplies in
 that voltage range.   48 V is not that common amid the non-telco   When
 you get to the pricey suppliers the 48af V poes ARE the standard.   But
 that's a cost that we don't want to throw at our customers   I like
 standards as long as there are implementations of those standards that
 take advantage of production quantities to lower costs not lock in
 higher prices.   i.e. Ethernet vs. token-ring   IMNSHO...  I'm not
 saying there aren't advantages to 48V when you need the watts.   But did
 the Titanium really have a bigger wattage requirement?   Everything
 about it that I saw said it's the same inside as the plastic.


 Robert

 On 04/06/2013 09:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts
 on all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:
 
  Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
  less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
  customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
 
 
  On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
  Hi Josh
 
  I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
  strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than
 a
  real technical need
 
  Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
 Hum
 
  Thank you
 
 
  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
  paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it
 wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody
 is
 using them with success.
 Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti
 
 Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
 Ubiquiti
 will implement that sooner or later...
 
 Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
 improvements :)
 
 Thank you
 
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 Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
 
 Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
 
 C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

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On our APC UPSs we set the sensitivity to low and they work fine on every
portable generator we've thrown at them.


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:

 This is the third time in about two years that we've had some major
 power outages across our region due to the supplier lines going down.

 Every time the situation is the same,

 We roll out our portable generators to a few of our smaller sites that
 don't have full-time generators -- and every time we have to fight with
 them to get clean power out of them -- usually just ending up putting
 equipment directly on the generators and bypassing the UPS systems.

 I've seen the generators go everywhere from 40Hz to 90Hz.

 Has anyone come across a nice portable alternator (as opposed to a
 generator) that can be taken to tower sites as supplementary power?

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[WISPA] Trango Giga IDU

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Anyone have a Trango Giga IDU they are willing to part with?
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo

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Check your LDP Neighbors and make sure you have something showing in
Addresses.  What is your MTU on the interfaces between the hops?


On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Paul Hendry 
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

 Hi Scott,

 If you perform a ping between your pe routers (mikrotik devices prior to
 hand-off to customer), what is the maximum size packet you can send
 successfully, with df bit set?

 P.


 - Reply message -
 From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 To: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com, Scott Carullo 
 sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
 Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 22:17



 Scenario - connected in this order starting at remote site working towards
 HQ: (link type indented between routers)

 Customer Windows workstation
 Switch of some sort
 Cisco 28xx router with MTU set 1470 (or close to that I don't remember
 exactly)
 -ethernet cable 100Mb FDX hard set
 RB951-2n
 -UBNT link to shared AP
 x86 MT router
 -SAF Lumina BH
 x86 MT router
 -UBNT AF BH
 x86 MT router
 -ethernet cable 100Mb FDX hard set
 Cisco L3 routing switch (don't remember model)
 HQ Windows server

 A question about MTU...
 I have increased the MTU sizes on the equipment which allowed it.  I
 believe the Cisco routers are set to 1470 MTU or something close because
 packets are all that size when received by us.  Backhaul links should allow
 jumbo packets.  Our MT routers have L2 MTU set high - this is actually what
 the MPLS/VPLS packets use right?  I was under the impression that the
 ethernet interface MTU was just used for IP traffic which has fine
 connectivity.

 I can test at the moment had to revert back to eoip tunnel to get it
 working again.  I would very much like to pay someone for their time
 assisting me setting this up though.  Need MPLS on top of our OSPF across
 the board and we have three edge routers that BGP peer with three upstream
 providers in three different cities.  The sooner I accomplish this the
 better and at this point I'm asking for help because I don't have the
 luxury of time.  This would be way better for someone to just look at my
 screen logged into router and check settings themselves...  Too many
 settings on too many devices to type :) Thanks


 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102



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 *From*: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
 *Sent*: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:24 PM
 *To*: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo

 First stage would be to check the basics. Can both ends of the VPLS tunnel
 ping each other? Are all interfaces between end points exchanging LDP?
 Assuming this is all good I suspect an MTU issue so have you got any
 RB450G, RB493G, older routerboards, etc. in the path?


 - Reply message -
 From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
 Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 21:03


 I have rolled out MPLS on about 4 hops on my network with anticipation of
 expanding that to all towers once the concept proves itself in this small
 section on the network.

 I'm having issue getting traffic to pass through VPLS tunnel in real life.
  In the lab it works, when we played with it in the past it works.  I think
 we are overlooking something - hard to say because we do not have much real
 world experience dealing with MPLS  anomalies.  If anyone has rolled out
 MPLS on top of an OSPF routed network of reasonable size I'd love to pick
 your brain on a few things...  let me know, you can hit me back on list or
 off.  Appreciate it.

 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102


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Re: [WISPA] Maxxwave router MTU problem / question

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Check the ethernet chipset, Make sure it isn't the Intel 82583V chipset.
 This won't support jumbo frames in v5.X.


On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netwrote:

 HI Scott,

 I bet you if you dropped a quick email with this question to Brian at
 Baltic networks you will get your answer.


 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz


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 *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 *To: *wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:07:08 PM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Maxxwave router MTU problem / question


 I know these are fairly popular routers so I was wondering if anyone has
 seen this issue before

 Mikrotik v5.24 or 5.25 - go to ethernet interface and open an interface, I
 can't increase the MTU size greater then the default 1500.  Some of the
 Maxxwave routers I can.  No rhyme or reason between them I can tell - some
 just allow the MTU change some don't.  Not sure if this is MT fubar or some
 other issue with the device.  Anyone?  Thanks

 Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide

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Cost should be set based on the speed of the link.  So, if you have a 1
Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1.  If
you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3.
 100 Mbps link?  Cost = 10.  So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps
so cost = 1000 / Speed.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote:

 Scott,

 Can you help remotely?

 ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for
 our group?


 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

  I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF.  If you need more
 help, let me know.
 I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed,
 setting up routers correctly, etc.
 If is is easy, no charge.  If is going to take some time/effort, I charge
 $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum.  Let me know what I
 can do to help.


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide

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Obviously, change from 1000 to 1, 4, or 10 and then divide.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  What if you have a 10,40 or 100gig?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Jul 20, 2013, at 8:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 p...@believewireless.net wrote:

   Cost should be set based on the speed of the link.  So, if you have a 1
 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1.  If
 you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3.
  100 Mbps link?  Cost = 10.  So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps
 so cost = 1000 / Speed.


 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote:

 Scott,

  Can you help remotely?

  ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist
 for our group?


 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

 I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF.  If you need more
 help, let me know.
 I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed,
 setting up routers correctly, etc.
 If is is easy, no charge.  If is going to take some time/effort, I
 charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum.  Let me know
 what I can do to help.


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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

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I like the CR1016-12S-1S+.  I'm sure this will be out 2015-2016 or so.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Yes sfp+ is 10G,  Powerbridge knockoff is 2.4g only?

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:24 AM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

 ** **

 The Rocket and Powerbridge made me laugh.

 ** **

 I'm guessing SFP couldn't do 10G and SFP+ can?


 


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 ** **

 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MUM_2013_US

  

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Brad Belton
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:47 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

  

 Link / URL for this router?  Specs?

  

 Brad

  

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:20 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

  

 CCR1036-8G-2S+

  

 2 SFP+ Ports 

  

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] SAF, Alcoma or SIAE?

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SAF wins hands down on interface.


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Paolo Di Francesco 
paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:

 Hi guys

 I was wondering which one you prefer in terms of:

 1) user interface (for example I hate when the device must restart the
 whole configuation everything I modify one parameter, i.e. Ubiquiti)
 2) stability
 3) speed-VS-features

 Thank you

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 Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

 Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

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Re: [WISPA] Equipment for Fiber+Power to tower top

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We started using the KTI KGD-802-P managed GigE PoE switches.  8 ether (4
w/PoE) with two shared SFP ports.  They will power ePMP, Rocket Titaniums,
or other 802.3.af equipment.  We pay around $450 for them.  They are
hardened and require 48V.  Planet makes some that will run 802.3af
equipment with 24V or 48V power but you'll need to use their SFP modules.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 We do fiber to the top.  Here are my philosophical thoughts on this.

 Get a device that is temperature rated for your environment.  The
 RB20011's are fine for our environment.  They are rated for the same temps
 as the industrial rated switches we used to use.  If you want a hardened
 switch be prepared to spend $500-1000 for a managed Industrial switch.
  Believe me, you will want to see what those switch ports are doing so an
 unmanaged switch is no good.  Plus you will probably want to run vlans and
 some other things at one point.

 If you are running clean DC you will find you won't really have a need to
 reboot stuff.  Anything you add to the box at the top is something else
 that can fail.  The PacketFlux stuff is solid, but yet another thing to
 fail.   If you are running Canopy then you will have to put more stuff in
 the box.

 We put our routers at the bottom, but that is just our choice.  I know
 folks who are putting them at the top. Would save you some labor and cost
 on running fiber.

 Justin


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 From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:01 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Equipment for Fiber+Power to tower top

 I am planning out a site where some of our radios have fiber interfaces
 and the rest are cat5. If we are running fiber up the tower, I think it
 makes sense to just put a switch and POE control at the top and run fiber
 up to that as well.

 My first thought is packetflux for POE control and a RB2011iLS-IN for the
 cat5-fiber. But this grade of equipment makes me a bit nervous putting up
 at 220ft on a tower. Is there better quality equipment I should be
 considering? This will be a major site for us so $1000 for a hardened
 switch or media converter would not be out of the question, if it's
 justified.

 Is it better in this approach to bring all the runs (via several fibers)
 down to a router at the base of the tower? This site is all wireless fed so
 we don't really need anything at the base other than power equipment,
 except for the ability to plug in for troubleshooting. Or should I just run
 power up top and put my router right up there too?

 Thanks for your suggestions.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik on Multi-core

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The new CCRs can do everything you need.  And limiting 100Mbps or 200Mbps
customers is no problem.

We have them running BGP, OSPF, MPLS, PPPoE, firewalls, queues, etc.  and
they just hum along without any performance issues.


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

  Hi everyone. Been awhile since Ive been here, so not sure if this is a
 redundant topic or not.

 Anyone got experience with Mikrotik on their newer Multi-Core platform,
 using as a Core Router for interconnecting multiple Gig backbone
 connections (w/ BGP, OSPF, Queues, Firewalls, VLAN  tagging)?

 To be more specific  Comparing Mikrotik's 36 core 1.2Ghz models to
 say a third party Quad core 3Ghz model.

 What do we need 36 cores for, when we got 11 eth ports? Are they even used
 by software? Is later Mikrotik Firmware allowing
 - multiple processors to handle a singe NIC port?
 - which Mikrotik software features are able to effectively spread
 accross to a unique processor or use multiple processors?

 Is 1.2Ghz enough?

 Do the embedded NICs in the 36core units pass full Gig capacity? (In past,
 we learned depending on which NIC and driver brand, a NIC could pass as low
 as only 30% of full capacity w/ large packets, where as a later generation
 PCIE w/ ATIO Intel could pass upward of 90% of full capacity w/ small
 packets.)

 Im asking because back in the day, there were many Linux services relating
 to routing that were written to be only single processor support.
 Because of this, it was important to have the highest speed Ghz processor
 possible, since some critical services (the bottleneck) would share only 1
 primary processor, regardless of how many processors were in the router.

 In past experience specific to Mikrotiktik, I often ran into issues with
 added features (firewall rules, Queues, etc) drastically draining the
 processing power of a MT router slowing throughput way below the
 theoretical published port throughput.

 For example, can Queues or Firewalls spread multiple processors?

 Can these 36core units handle bandwdith management (Limiting or Queues)
 for high speed subscribers, such as 100mb and 200 mbps customers?
 In the GUI of v6.7, I dont see anything higher than 2mb or 10mb depending
 on location of parameter.





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 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 301-515-7774
 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core

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I just ran a test across an AirFiber link with 384 byte packets.  The
interface shows it passing about 650Mbps going from an i7 x86 to a CCR with
existing Internet traffic.


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

  Sam,
 Thats quite impressive, to be able to support that many queues and filter
 rules. So apparently, those key services must be multi processor.
 That is good to learn.

 Eric,
 Regarding single core apps. It may not matter all that much if an app is
 single core, if it can use a unique core.
 My concern is if key single core apps default to sharing the same core.

 Faisal,
 A single 1.2G processor per port is probably fine for large packets and
 Full throughput. Im concerned on whether a single 1.2G core would be enough
 for full throughput with average small packet sizes or DDOS situations.
 With X86 processors, in the past we've shown it was not. But then again,
 the CCRs arent X86, and our past 4core X86 test machines, didnt have 36
 procs to handle the load of other processes.

 Paul,
 Since we are on a budget, and need something to put in place quickly w/
 SPFs, sounds like the 36core CCRs will solve our immediate need for Core
 BGP Router. It clearly will do way much better than the 1100 dual core
 that we temporarilly put in place, until we had time to order in a CCR.

 Whether the CCR will handle our growth plans for head end, thats yet to be
 seen.
 In our application we wont have nearly the number of rules per router as
 Sam's example, as we do filtering and bandwidth management at each tower,
 to spread out the load.

 Last Question:
 Long term, what Im most concerned about is how much throughput can be
 passed per gig port. Meaning how close to theoretical wirespeed. Because
 when calculating a providers cost per MB, its a big difference whether a
 router port can push the full GB versus say 50%.
 It can double a provider's cost per MB, requiring duplicating ones fiber
 infrastructure prematurely.

 Has anyone tested how small the average packet size can be and still
 achieve theoretical wirespeed, in a simplified configuration over a single
 port?

 1Gbps FDX, can 90% of that be acheived with 384k avg packet size?



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 5:28 PM
 *Subject:* [Spam] Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik on Multi-core

 Replaced an aging powerrouter 732 with a CCR-1036.  Set up as a
 transparent bridge for traffic shaping.  Passing 478M peak with 8200
 interface bridge filter rules and 8000 queue tree entries, cpu utilization
 peaks at about 50 and all 36 CPUs are in use according to /system resource
 cpu print

 The 732 started giving us CPU limitations at about 240Mbps.  The whole
 thing could be reworked so we didn't have so many filter rules or queue
 tree entries, but the original installation replaced a MAC based bandwidth
 limiter and they wanted to keep that setup.

 Other than some lockup issues we had on ROS versions before 6.7 we have
 been pretty happy with the box and for under $1k it is hard to beat.


 On 01/24/2014 03:53 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Hi everyone. Been awhile since Ive been here, so not sure if this is a
 redundant topic or not.

 Anyone got experience with Mikrotik on their newer Multi-Core platform,
 using as a Core Router for interconnecting multiple Gig backbone
 connections (w/ BGP, OSPF, Queues, Firewalls, VLAN  tagging)?

 To be more specific  Comparing Mikrotik's 36 core 1.2Ghz models to
 say a third party Quad core 3Ghz model.

 What do we need 36 cores for, when we got 11 eth ports? Are they even used
 by software? Is later Mikrotik Firmware allowing
 - multiple processors to handle a singe NIC port?
 - which Mikrotik software features are able to effectively spread
 accross to a unique processor or use multiple processors?

 Is 1.2Ghz enough?

 Do the embedded NICs in the 36core units pass full Gig capacity? (In past,
 we learned depending on which NIC and driver brand, a NIC could pass as low
 as only 30% of full capacity w/ large packets, where as a later generation
 PCIE w/ ATIO Intel could pass upward of 90% of full capacity w/ small
 packets.)

 Im asking because back in the day, there were many Linux services relating
 to routing that were written to be only single processor support.
 Because of this, it was important to have the highest speed Ghz processor
 possible, since some critical services (the bottleneck) would share only 1
 primary processor, regardless of how many processors were in the router.

 In past experience specific to Mikrotiktik, I often ran into issues with
 added features (firewall rules, Queues, etc) drastically draining the
 processing power of a MT router slowing throughput way below the
 theoretical published port throughput.

 For example, can Queues or Firewalls spread 

Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached

[can...@believewireless.net]

I've thought about doing this in case of equipment failure. Have one radio
powered off and the other active. If the active
should die or have issues, I can remotely switch on the powered off radio
and power down the active radio.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:


 Looks like the top left rocket isn't even powered up.

 -- Original Message --
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:19:30 +

 I think one of the many local wisps popping here are getting very
 creative
 
 Anyone can ID this sector? Im thinking its a Mobile Carrier antenna that
 they are reusing... but what band?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

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Every business attorney and accountant has told me the same thing, cash
only.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 Doug,

 The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the
 other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the
 terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final
 judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice
 for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband,
 customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is
 left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all
 your  own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and
 they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the
 buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a
 good buyer?


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.comwrote:

  Of course!  You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start.  My
 point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or
 as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do.
 Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to
 consider.  Then is the time to say I'm only taking cash or I'll finance,
 but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me.



 Doug





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP




 Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy.

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM



 Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
 will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
 network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
 walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
 as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
 their own financing, you don't want to sell.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.





 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: *Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com


 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM


 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
 buyer (Jab) lately.

 On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



 The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
 about 1.5x annual revenue


 *Douglas A. Hass*
 Associate
 312.786.6502
 d...@franczek.com


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 http://www.franczek.com/20thAnniversary/*

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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[can...@believewireless.net]

Real Estate for the most part, only appreciates. A business not run well,
depreciates. Big difference.

I own commercial real estate and a WISP. I have no issues seller financing
real estate but have huge issues financing a WISP purchase.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 Because there are foreclosure laws with homes, but have you ever tried
 evicting someone? It can take months.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 Then why do people sell houses on owner financing ?

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM


 Having been a part of a deal gone bad I recommend cash up front.  Once
 you hand over the keys it's pretty hard to get it back.  If you have to go
 to Litigation you are going to be spending money out of pocket for
 attorneys.  I agree with Cameron.   Cash at closing. If you don't do 100%
 cash at closing you should be prepared to not see another dime if you do
 anything else.

 I know ISPs who sold, got some money at closing, and then ended up
 spending twice that money on attorney fees and still ended up with nothing.
  Selling a business should be like selling a high dollar item.  If I was
 going to sell a car I sure wouldn't sell it on contract.   Too many things
 can go wrong.

 If I had 100% ownership in an ISP today and wanted to sell I would take a
 hit on the overall price.  If then user couldn't afford it and I really
 needed to sell for whatever reason I would simply take a lower price.  Less
 stress that way.

 Justin


 --
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 MTCNA - CCNA - MTCRE - MTCWE - COMTRAIN
 Aol  Yahoo IM: j2sw
 http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News
 http://www.zigwireless.com - High Speed Internet Options
 http://www.thebrotherswisp.com - The Brothers Wisp



 From: Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
 will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
 network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
 walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
 as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
 their own financing, you don't want to sell.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.





 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com


 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM


 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
 buyer (Jab) lately.

 On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



 The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
 about 1.5x annual revenue


 *Douglas A. Hass*
 Associate
 312.786.6502
 d...@franczek.com


 *Franczek Radelet P.C. 

Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[can...@believewireless.net]

I had a meeting a couple weeks ago with a company looking to buy us. They
have deep pockets and were looking at cash only deal. If I'm looking to
sell, it's obviously because I want to go in a different direction. The
last thing I'd want to do is go through the enter sale process only to have
to take the company back at a later date. Even if I was able to get my
company back immediately months later with zero customer loss, the time,
effort and lost growth just aren't worth the risk in my opinion.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote:

  Primary housing is a different deal altogether.  Unlike businesses,
 where you can get immediate repossession, you often can't with housing.



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:02 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP




 Then why do people sell houses on owner financing ?

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM



 Having been a part of a deal gone bad I recommend cash up
 front.  Once you hand over the keys it's pretty hard to get it back.  If
 you have to go to Litigation you are going to be spending money out of
 pocket for attorneys.  I agree with Cameron.   Cash at closing. If you
 don't do 100% cash at closing you should be prepared to not see another
 dime if you do anything else.



 I know ISPs who sold, got some money at closing, and then
 ended up spending twice that money on attorney fees and still ended up with
 nothing.  Selling a business should be like selling a high dollar item.  If
 I was going to sell a car I sure wouldn't sell it on contract.   Too many
 things can go wrong.



 If I had 100% ownership in an ISP today and wanted to sell I
 would take a hit on the overall price.  If then user couldn't afford it and
 I really needed to sell for whatever reason I would simply take a lower
 price.  Less stress that way.



 Justin





 --

 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net

 MTCNA - CCNA - MTCRE - MTCWE - COMTRAIN
 Aol  Yahoo IM: j2sw
 http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News
 http://www.zigwireless.com - High Speed Internet Options

 http://www.thebrotherswisp.com - The Brothers Wisp







 *From: *Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Date: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



  Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
 will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
 network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
 walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
 as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
 their own financing, you don't want to sell.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.





 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: 

Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

[can...@believewireless.net]

We didn't have much luck with running Asterisk on the Routerboard. I wish
it would have
worked as it would simply things greatly!


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netwrote:

 Nathan,

 Can you share the recipe for running Asterisk on a Routerboard ?

 On-list or off list will be greatly appreciated.

 I am interested in testing this ...

 Regards


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
  From: Nathan Anderson nath...@fsr.com
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org, Bryce
  Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:46:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM
 
  Yeah, I've thought about trying a Raspberry Pi as a cheap, IP-only PBX.
  Should have more than enough oomph for a small office environment.
 
  We have had great success running Asterisk directly on MikroTik
 RouterBoards,
  inside of a MetaROUTER VM.  Of course, both this solution and the
 Raspberry
  Pi can only be used in a pure IP environment.
 
  Those Blackfin-based embedded Asterisk systems that Atcom et al.
 manufacture
  (http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=440) are also intriguing, but I
  haven't been able to find a good U.S.-based supplier/distributor.
 
  -- Nathan
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:53 AM
  To: Bryce Duchcherer; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM
 
  Oh yeah - I should have noted - we have one running at customer site for
 16
  phones and its a blueberry pie or whatever those things are called lol.
  Cost less than 100 bucks and we even have two network interfaces on them
  (one usb)
 
  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
 
   http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg
 
  
 
  From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:16 PM
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General
  List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM
 
 
  I have one of these coming in to try out, they're dirt cheap and are
 supposed
  to be decent. They support up to 8 calls and are supposed to run on
  asterisk.
 
  http://www.atcom.cn/IP02.html
 
 
 
 
 
  Bryce D
 
  NETAGO
 
 
 
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 16:08
  To: WISPA General List; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM
 
 
 
  I've never been a fan of anything grandstream has ever made so I
 wouldn't go
  there.  JMO
 
 
 
  Get some other solution for the PBX (running your own software on a nice
  little atom works great / some flavor of asterisk) and do yourself a
 favor
  and pick up some yealink phones.  The name kept me away from the longest
  time but I have tried dozens of phones and right now a T46G is on my desk
  and I won't give it up.  Great price too.  Best phone I have ever used
 and
  previously I had polycom soundpoint 650.  This one hands down is a better
  solution and its half the price.
 
 
 
  Sh...  don't tell everyone I need them in stock!
 
 
 
  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
 
   http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg
 
 
 
  
 
  From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:29 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM
 
 
 
  It seems like a box on site would make routing/nat issues easier to
 manage
  especially for customers who may not have our Internet or want to keep a
  second internet provider for redundancy.  It seems like a bunch of ip
 phones
  behind nat connecting up to our switch or a hosted solution would be
  problematic.
 
If you have a suggestion on a solid solution i'm all ears, want to
 learn
whats available and how others are doing this.
 
  On May 14, 2014 1:21 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
 wrote:
 
Why do you want to put  a 'box' on-site ?
 
 
 
Why not hosted PBX, and have IP Phones  ?
 
 
 
Regards.
 
 
 
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232
 
 
 
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518  Option 2 or
 Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 
 
  
 
From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 

Re: [WISPA] Serious rain out here

[can...@believewireless.net]

Daniel, it sounds to me as if the equipment has been damaged and isn't
worth full price.
It's only reasonable that you unload it to us at 50% cost.


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Daniel White
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.comwrote:

  Check this out:



 https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84/status/469212469563383809



 Just found out another tornado touched down closer to a 1/4 mile away from
 us.  No major damage reports I have heard of yet.




 http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/tornado-touches-down-in-denver-at-tower-smith-roads-sirens-heard-around-metro-area05212014



 Had some flooding in the warehouse - thank god everything is on shelves
 and pallets :-)



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 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:36 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Serious rain out here



 Within minutes my front and back yard are flooded.  I had a 5 GHz 5 mile
 link lose 5 db (typing that made me realize how cool it was).



 Those of you to the east/south watch out.  Just a bit of lightning,
 nothing heavy duty.  Hoping for the best for everyone!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[can...@believewireless.net]

We've had no issues doing our own work on American Tower and Crown Castle
towers. It requires more
documentation and paperwork with them but nothing too painful.

But with saying that, does anyone know of a good measuring tape that won't
break nearly every measure
to verify antenna height?


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 We did the install ourself. You do have to get certified as an authorized
 climber with American Tower. Just insurance and training, mainly.


 On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike n Chris
 but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you
 personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do
 all your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me.


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 *nods*  They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From:* Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal
 with than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water
 tower. We will probably not pursue water towers any more.


 On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien  ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote:

 We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very
 reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through
 the process the first time.  I can share details of pricing off list, but
 the range of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the
 tower. They have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs
 additional per month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did
 take the step pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo
 and increase it $50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some
 additional cost in insurance and tower training , to meet their
 requirements that most WISP will not already have. If you are going to do
 this and need to get tower trained and increase insurance, it probably
 makes sense to do more than just one cell phone tower, otherwise that cost
 makes it much more expensive.


 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:

 Mike
 see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT
 Cell Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on
 there water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call
 an other village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city
 mayor told them or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for
 one water tower which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted
 the city mayor and I asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the
 city for the other water tower they have and the local WISP was only paying
 them 100 dollars an month for rent. So you got to watch out about these
 municipalities try to screw you over on rent because they automatically
 think your an cell phone company and not an internet service provider.


  --
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett  wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org
  Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose
 rent totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because
 that's what ATT or Verizon paid.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From:* Tim Reichhart  timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 *To:* WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 Brian
 when you say they  do graduated rent increase what do you mean by
 that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there
 water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American
 Tower Co.

 Tim

 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Webster  i...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'  wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

  American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week.
 They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas
 where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction
 you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and 

Re: [WISPA] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea

[can...@believewireless.net]

We service several military and commercial ships that have had this
technology for at least 10+ years.
They just weren't using the long-range wifi which i'm curious who they are
using as well.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Paolo Di Francesco 
paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:

 Probably:

 1) where available use some wifi like thing or
 2) where available use Mobile Networks (HSPDA) or other Radio Networks
 (e.g. LTE/WiMAX) or
 3) where not available the above use Satellite

 For the routing part, it depends on who did the network engineering

 That's it

  Not difficultŠ just wondering what gear they are usingŠ specially for the
  land to sea links
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On 11/4/14, 9:57 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it
  wrote:
 
  Hi Gino
 
  What's difficult in doing that? I do not see anything that is not
  already available
 
  Just asking to understand :)
 
  Regards
  Paolo
 
  Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT.
 
  I wonder who¹s tech is behind this?
 
 
 
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-indu
  strys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

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Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to
sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:

 Screw a phone c all, but text is simple!



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off



 He wants a phone call...




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
 trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
 or text message from.

 On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote:

 Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
 kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
 to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
 way to solve this?
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[WISPA] WTB: Mimosa B11

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Does anyone have a single B11 radio they are willing to sell?
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Re: [WISPA] Quick B11 question

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Yes.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Can one end of a link have the data on the SFP and the other end on
> copper?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

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All new Netonix switches have the FM fixed. It was fixed with the last
couple of months.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Shawn C. Peppers <
videodirectwispal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned to
> fix it.
>
> Shawn C. Peppers
> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> 480-287-9960 Fax
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> And this is on the latest revisions?
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> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers"  com> wrote:
>
>> I belive its only on the DC version.
>>
>> Shawn C. Peppers
>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>>
>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input
>> interference
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input
>> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>> >>
>> >> ~Seth
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