Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Blake Bowers]

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The 
NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only 
takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do, 
fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jay DeBoer" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport


> I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
> path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
> clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
> 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
> into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
> close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
> yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
> all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
> issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
> airport.
>
> -- 
> Jay DeBoer
>
> Chief Engineer
> Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
> 100 N Roland St, Suite B
> McBain, MI 49657
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ping

[Blake Bowers]

Nope.  Never saw it.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Victoria Proffer" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:22 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Ping


> Is this making it to the list?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Victoria Proffer
>
> St. Louis Broadband, LLC 
>
> 314-974-5600
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.

[Blake Bowers]

Man, with 21 per square mile in your county, and even 5 per square mile in 
Lincoln, you guys are in the big city.

Sandhills Wireless in Cherry County NE has 1 per square mile, 6148 square 
miles!  Big county, very rural.  (Got a tower raw land site there)


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- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.


> This is very interesting.
>
> http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf
>
> I'm in Lincoln Co.  Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population
> density in the entire state.
>
> I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something.  People 
> like
> to talk about rural access.  Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access!
>
> grin
> marlon
>




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[WISPA] Open Range communications

[Blake Bowers]

Open range is now looking to sell equipment - focusing first on the 
equipment on the towers, then the other stuff.

Please let him know you got this info from me.  They are really looking to 
deal.

Contact,
Chris (Open Range Restructuring Officer)


Chris LeWand

Senior Managing Director | Corporate Finance

F T I

303.689.8839 direct

720.253.3060 mobile

chris.lew...@fticonsulting.com



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[WISPA] Real enemy

[Blake Bowers]

http://cooldudereal.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-wifi-minded-carrier-offers.html


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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

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Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have 
so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.

In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of 
intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with 
very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels. 
(and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to 
be able to talk to it)

Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may 
have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network, may 
have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the 
equipment inside is different TOE.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie


>I have a dissenting opinion...
>
>>It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
>>effectively provide broadband.
>
> A cellular network is built for coverage
>
> Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, 
> will tend to put the same equipment everywhere
>
> What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the 
> tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway 
> where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and 
> capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous 
> users
>
> So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station 
> have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage 
> requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity
>
> In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and 
> putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't 
> affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is "found money" --  
> self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower 
> with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor
>
> -Charles
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[WISPA] Open Range VS USDA

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http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#ATC_CMS

USDA is first in line to get back their loan money, or at least what they 
might be able to find.



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Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

[Blake Bowers]

Just as a note - people should consider package tours, like Sun Country 
Airlines.

2 people, airfare from NYC, 3 nights room at Circus Circus, 1050.00 total.

same thing from Orlando, 6 nights, around 1300 total.

Funjet gets you cheaper.

True, there is no first class on most of them, and you will most likely end 
up with a room
view of a wall, but who spends that much time in their room?

Some of the best trade show times I ever had were spent dancing on the stage 
I mean in the audience learning in LV!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Drew Lentz" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!


> Oh God no .. please don't drop the coffee..
>
>
>
> I applaud the work that goes into doing this, especially in Vegas. It's
> tough to work with, but Vegas knows that it is the best spot in the 
> country
> for meetings like this. I remember all the hoopla a couple of years ago at
> CES. $12 turkey sandwiches that normally went for $6, $400 / night hotel
> rooms, etc. I can't imagine what it's like cost wise to produce the event.
>
>
>
> Overall though, it looks like it is going to be fantastic. I can't wait to
> see everyone there J
>
>
>
> -drew
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> Drop the coffee.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:
>
> Maybe if we put slot machines next to the coffee service we can get a
> discount ;)
>
> On 10/5/11 11:35 AM, chris cooper wrote:
>
> A 12 oz cup of coffee costs $10.22? And this from a place that will give 
> you
> all the Johnnie Walker you can drink for free?
>
>
>
> cc
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy and Orthogon SOLD!

[Blake Bowers]

Not for years now.  At least the pagers.

Cable modems are part of Motorola Mobility, which they just sold off to 
google




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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy and Orthogon SOLD!


> Hey, they make cable modems and pagers too!
>




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Re: [WISPA] Alltel towers

[Blake Bowers]

Most of the steel went to either American Tower via an agreement to allow 
ATC to manage/lease or Verizon.

Many will state something along the line of "Michigan RSA #9, DBA Alltell" - 
those are normally towers owned by Verizon.  Of course, the actual wording 
will change depending on the state and RSA.

Even the vast majority of those are still managed by ATC.

If you want to email me particulars I can find out who the owner is fairly 
quickly.






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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Alltel towers


> Does anyone have up to date contact info for the current owner of the 
> former Alltel's towers? Not having much luck searching.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture

[Blake Bowers]

Although it may or may not make sense to get rid of the old cable plant, and
wireline service, it may not be the best idea as they are plowing tons of 
money
into U-Verse, and will need much of that plant as well as old right of ways 
etc.

I can't think for the life of me who would make it a merger condition 
insofar as
regulatory, as it is not a technology that T-Mobile is bringing anything to 
the
table with, the feds will care less.

Possibly T-Mobile is scared of the wired plants future?  Frontier will have 
a
hard time getting through each states regulatory process for a variety
of problems.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harnish" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture


> Why wouldn't they?  They are giving up a high maintenance rapidly eroding
> technology and USF subsidies that are also eroding with the customer base.
> At the same time they are lobbying Congress and the FCC to move USF
> subsidies to mobile and fiber broadband technologies.  Let the Buyer 
> Beware!
> This trend will continue.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:46 AM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; FISPA Members List; WISPA General List; 
> us...@wug.cc;
> motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture
>
>
>
> A little bird told me that ATT may divorce its legacy landline copper
> business as a merger condition with T-mobile.thoughts / comments?  What
> about Frontier taking over the landline world?
>
>
>
> -Charles
>
>





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Re: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

[Blake Bowers]

To all affected in Northern AL.

I know often the supplies run short in an affected area, I am coming over 
72, then across through Fort Payne in about 4 hours.  If there is anything I 
can stop in Memphis to get and bring to you, please let me know and I will 
do so.

I will be in a large pickup with very little onboard.

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Cyber Broadband Equipment Needs Update

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How tall a portable tower?  We may have one available - rent free.

And what size gennys?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harnish" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" ; 
; 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: [Motorola II] Cyber Broadband Equipment Needs Update


> Everyone,
>
>
>
> Thank you all so much for the many contributions that have been made 
> today.
> I think it looks like all of the immediate equipment needs that Jay needed
> have been met and hopefully are being shipped.  We have accumulated $2350 
> in
> a reserve account for any cash needs he may have next week.  He is looking
> for a mobile tower and I hope to make some calls tomorrow to locate one.
> I'm guessing that renting that tower will pretty well exhaust the fund
> temporarily.
>
>
>
> We did have three companies who donated $500 each to this cause.  I never
> imagined we would get donations that large but I want to say THANK YOU to
> each of them, although I won't name them.
>
>
>
> Jay says that there are 4-5 blocks that will need to be bulldozed out and
> rebuilt completely.  They are struggling with no power for 5 days or more 
> in
> some places and gasoline is very hard to get.  Long lines exist up to 50
> miles away.  He was unaware of how big the Birmingham/Tuscaloosa tornado
> was.  He only knew that there were quite a few deaths from tornados around
> the state.  Most of the news he gets is through his smartphone which
> surprisingly allows him to get emails and get on Facebook but does not
> support Voice or Text traffic.
>
>
>
> HE would like me to pass along his gratitude and said, "the WISPA 
> community
> has been awesome and with that help, we will be more than fine".
>
>
>
> He said the radio station owner thought they would have the tower rebuilt 
> in
> a week but Jay has his doubts.  He thinks he can get 90% of his customers
> back by moving some equipment to a nearby rooftop temporarily.
>
>
>
> Jay doesn't have any generators in his business yet, so Josh Luthman and
> Mike Chadwick are coordinating together to deliver 3-4 portables to him in
> the next day or so.
>
>
>
> UPS and Fedex are delivering packages to the area.
>
>
>
> Jay's batteries have now run down and he is without communication until he
> can find someone that has enough generator power to charge him back up.
>
>
>
> I am still going to come knocking on a few doors asking some of you to 
> take
> part on the Disaster Fund Committee. J  This fund's work is never done, it
> only has lapses until the next disaster hits a WISP in a neighborhood near
> you!
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Executive Director
>
> WISPA
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rope

[Blake Bowers]

Amen.  A smaller rope should be in everyones arsenal.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope


>
> Having one rope might work in 90 percent of the situations but its those" 
> oh
> sh#t" moments where having a throw line makes life easy and expedites the
> project.
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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

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who does not have them?  My supplier does.


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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower


Hello,
We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for 
those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem 
to have those.

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Re: [WISPA] Safety Harness

[Blake Bowers]

At the risk of this being called an ad,

I have a large box of brand new in the bag equipment fall protection 
harnesses.

$40.00 includes priorty shipping.

As one can see, this is not a money maker at this price, but if it can help 
people comply,
and get them out of my warehouse all is good.


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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Safety Harness


> Martha
>
> Is this a climbing harness or a safety harness for a platform/bucket
> truck/aerial lift/roof etc?
>
> Others told you about the tower ones (I happen to prefer the DBI Sala for
> that)
>
>
>
> But the simpler one with only the rear D ring that is for the equipment I
> mentioned can also be had at Home Depot in a pinch. About $70.00
>
> Reason I mention this is that some of us have bucket trucks or rent lifts 
> as
> well and OSHA watches them too. We were just field inspected a few weeks
> ago.
>
>
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Martha Huizenga
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Safety Harness
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me where they purchase Safety Harnesses? Is there a 
> special
> kind or brand I should be looking for?
>
> Thanks
>
> Martha
>
> -- 
>
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> 202-546-5898
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[WISPA] tower down, Raleigh NC

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Some trees clipped guy-wires that supported the transmission tower for 
WCLY-AM and WQDR-AM, toppling the tower


http://www.wral.com/weather/story/9455980/



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Blake Bowers]

Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap 
value.


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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?


> Cisco 3560 series are about $4000...
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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

[Blake Bowers]

I would venture I must be doing it wrong then.  As well as other tower 
companies.  The majority of what you mention is dependent on the age of the 
structure also.

Chuck, if you bought those towers where they stand from Jay, then the vast 
majority of what is listed is grandfathered.  (knowing where Jay got those 
from)

1.  Carrier will do this themselves, no matter if you do it.

2.  Phase 1 and 2, the carrier will do if they feel the need, but probably 
not.

3.  see 2.

4.  They will verify during the site acquisition process online.

5.  They will verify during the site acquisition process online.

6.  Given.  They want to make sure you are there legally, so they can be 
there legally.

7 and 8 saves some time, but they will do it themselves if needed.

9.  Depends on the age of the tower.  If it was erected when NEPA was not 
required, then they will not require it.  While you listed many parts of it, 
people should not get blown away with it anyways, it is realy a rather 
simple process.  I use a company in TX that completes it in a short time, 
for a cost usually below 1k, before travel if needed.

10.  If required - and they will get that information directly from the 
zoning agency.  You can provide it, it will look pretty, but they are going 
to pull it themselves.

11.  See 10.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers


Before a large carrier will do business with you, a bunch of things need to 
be "squared away" - here's a checklist that we follow and present when 
marketing our towers

Required documents for Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, ClearWire, Cricket, 
Lightsquared and Sprint to co-locate on an existing tower


1.   Title Report (less than 6 months old) with a memo from an attorney 
stating all mortgages, encumberances and potential conflicts with existing 
easements

2.   Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment (less than 6-9 months old) 
performed by a licensed Environment Engineer

3.   Phase 2 Environmental Site Assessment (where required) including 
subsurface investigation by geotechnical boring drill and lab investigation 
of core samples

4.   FAA Determination including Survey with 1A letter performed by 
licensed surveyer

5.   FCC Filing, including all correct notices up to date with 
appropriate coordination as verified by 1A letter.

6.   Original lease.  All agreements must be provided to the potential 
tenant, and the tenant may require the tower owner to obtain any required 
sublease consent or additional space at the tower owner's sole cost and 
expense.  All leases must be properly notarized, signed and dated, and all 
exhibits must reflect the lease area and access route.

7.   Original Geotechnical Survey

8.   Original Tower Foundation and Structural drawings

9.   National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) checklist performed by a 
licensed environmental engineer and completion of the following compliance 
items, as required:

a.   Wetland determination and delination

b.  State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) Letter of No Effect

c.   Tribal Historic Preservation Office Approval (THPO)

d.  Floodplain Determination

e.  Archeological Survey, including subsurface investigation and lab 
research

f.Environmental Impact Assessment filed with the FCC and evidence of 
the approval of that EIA is required before a tenant will co-locate on the 
tower

10.   Zoning Approval, including the specific Conditional Use Permit, 
Special Use Permit, Variance, and/or Ordinance citing approval with 
restrictions (if any) and any other zonging entitlements

11.   Building Permit Approval, including any stated restrictions for 
construction or future conditions on alteration of the structure

12.   No tenant will agree to sign a lease with a tower owner without the 
receipt of all relevant documentation, the physical structure being 
completed, the lack of existence of "favored" tower companies in the given 
search area (typically .75 - 1.5 miles in diameter), and the budget to build 
sites in a given location.


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell 
service.  I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers.  I have 
been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but 
nobody else.  Does anyone have any contact information for these guys?

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

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Those figures are spot on.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers


I am responding to the first post in this thread, so I have no idea of what 
has been suggested.

I am in a very rural area, I know for a fact the Crown Castle pay's $500/mth 
for a ground level space to lease from the land owner in this area. Crown 
built a 400 ft guided tower and they have Verizon on the top and U.S. 
Cellular at 200 ft. I would guess to estimate that they are charging at 
least $1200/mth to $1500/mth on each of those.

I have not inquired on my cost to get to those, but the amount's I suggested 
are from land owner's in my area.





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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

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You won't find many people better than Jay.  He will tell you
the same thing I said about leasing.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers


>I bought these two towers from Jay ;)
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'd talk to a "local" tower guy.  Blake Bowers, Jay Panozzo, etc.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/2011 8:47 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty
>> cell service.  I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers.  I
>> have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile,
>> but nobody else.  Does anyone have any contact information for these 
>> guys?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

[Blake Bowers]

I will say it again, but I of course have no experience with this so I am 
quite sure 9809895234345 people will correct me.

The best way to market your towers to cellular carriers.

1.  Hang a sign.  WIRELESS SPACE FOR LEASE.

2.  Do an FAA on your tower. 
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

3.  Do an FCC on your tower. 
http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=home

4.  Sit back and wait to become a millionare.  Heck, my housekeeper has an 
Aunt that knows a woman at her granddaughters school whose son in law gets 
18k a month from his ground lease!

Almost every carrier uses a site acquisition contractor for their sites, and 
the FAA and FCC are the first places they look.  Then they go and drive 
around.  If there are multiple towers in their search ring, they are going 
to look for the "friendly" tower companies, ie, ones they have done business 
with before, or the ones that are inviting them to do business with them, ie 
the sign.

AT&T Wireless probably uses 30 different contractors alone.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers


>I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty 
>cell
> service.  I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers.  I have
> been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but
> nobody else.  Does anyone have any contact information for these guys?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>




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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Blake Bowers]

Interesting video... Almost as good as the ones of Tower 5 and Tower 6..




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- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


> When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a
> well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down 
> with
> parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO
> boy
>
>
>
> We're done.  Please remove me from  the WISPA list and be happy.
>
>
>
> The world is cruel,  this be true.  But Connected Nation  Et tu, 
> Brute?
>
>
>
> Yes.  You.
>
>
>
> I will not be controlled.  I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS.
>
>
>
> I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn
> well please.
>
>
>
> Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was
> replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow...  "Our people
> feel threatened by your video."
>
>
>
> So sad for them.  They are threatened  I bet they are.  I really bet
> they are.
>
>
>
> Waiting for the FCC to show up..  HA!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
> 740-335-7020
>
> Cell 937-903-1286
>
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>
> "Affordable Internet For Everyone!"
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[WISPA] Tom

[Blake Bowers]

Tom formally from Pittsburg KS... Give me a call.


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[WISPA] Wireless internet service KATY TX

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I need residential wireless internet service, basic service, in Katy TX. 
Anyone covering there?


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Re: [WISPA] What is this?

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Ok, do you want me to send a box of cash too?  LOL


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this?


> It's worthless, send it to me.
>
> ;-)
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 12/16/2010 12:16 AM, Blake Bowers wrote:
>> DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS
>>
>> I just found one of these literally laying here.  Can anyone tell a
>> technology impaired person what it is?   Is it still something of value?
>>
>>
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[WISPA] What is this?

[Blake Bowers]

DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS

I just found one of these literally laying here.  Can anyone tell a 
technology impaired person what it is?   Is it still something of value?


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Re: [WISPA] Colo contract language

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Most tower owners will NOT give exclusives on frequency bands, prefering to 
go with FILO agreements in the lease for interference.  Basically anyone 
that comes on a tower after the first user cannot make interference - if 
they do they have to fix it or get off.


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- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Colo contract language


> Does anyone have some language they can share on a colo agreement?  I've 
> got
> everything worked out except for exclusive use of the unlicensed bands at
> that site.   I want to prevent someone from renting space and parking 
> their
> gear on the same frequencies I am using.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richey
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....

[Blake Bowers]

Bob,

Walmart.   NOS stuff, I picked one up last friday here in Missouri, runs XP. 
under 300 bucks.   We use another of these for LMR programming, and 
occassional web, they work great.


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Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops


> Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP 
> operating




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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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http://oldcomputers.net/zx81.html


I ran a BBS on this one!


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> The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80
> 4k ram :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard  
> wrote:
>
>> My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20
>>
>> But it didn't have a screen :(
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> LOL! Here we go again with the "dating game" :)
>>> My first "laptop" was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable
>>>  It was really cool but
>>> weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>>
>>>




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Re: [WISPA] Cisco Deal of the Day $10 Deploying License Free Wireless

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17.63 on Amazon gets you a used copy, 30 bucks gets you a
brand new.


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- Original Message - 
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Subject: [WISPA] Cisco Deal of the Day $10 Deploying License Free Wireless


   Anyone who does not not have Jack Unger¹s book now is your time to get
it.  It is the eBook and the offer is only good for 24 hours.  Cost is
$9.99. Normally this is a $60 book.

http://www.ciscopress.com/deals/index.asp


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[WISPA] Tower down

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http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story

(Indiana) Communications tower falls on Bloomington elementary school. On 
October 26, a communications tower next to a Bloomington, Indiana school 
fell on top of the building as a result of a round of strong storms and high 
winds. It happened at Lakeview Elementary on Strain Ridge Road. No one was 
hurt and the school said the building only sustained minor damage to the 
roof. The students were in "tornado" mode at the time due to a warning 
issued by the National Weather Service. Witnesses said they heard a loud 
bang, like thunder, when the tower hit the building.

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Re: [WISPA] Grid dish material

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Everyone I have seen is aluminium with some steel clamps
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grid dish material


> Depends what kind, I think they are either cast aluminum or galvanized
> steel.
>
> -Original Message-
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE

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I guess you could think - fibertower.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE


>I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the 
> relationship actually is.
> 
> Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum 
> and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE

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>From my conversations with VzB, folks, they understand
it to be closer to the latter, with VzW doing the actual build, on
infrastructure such as backhaul and towers from "partners".

But I could be wrong.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE


>I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the 
> relationship actually is.
> 
> Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum 
> and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming?
> 
> or
> 
> Is this just a glorified contractor setup where the rural company is 
> building VZ's network, but already has the towers\backhaul in place?
> 
> The latter looks more attractive than the former.  LTE gear probably 
> isn't cheap, so who's going to buy it?  If we're just glorified 
> installation crews, then maybe it isn't so bad.
> 
> I'm not terribly concerned about 4G network in my territory as I can 
> quite easily build a faster fixed network.
> 




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Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE

[Blake Bowers]

At the risk of being corrected yet again, I would
recomend contacting them.  I believe you will find (over time)
that they are a bit more open than you believe.

It is a slow process however.  The big thing they are looking for
are towers and backhaul.  Many of the middle mile companies that
have recently gotten funding are going to do quite well with this.


From their web page,

To learn about participating in this program, companies should 
contactphilip.jun...@verizonwireless.com with the following information:

  a.. Name and address of company
  b.. Contact name and title
  c.. Contact phone number
  d.. Contact E-mail address
  e.. Please describe your business, including the counties and states in 
which you operate
  f.. Please identify the rural areas that your business serves that you 
believe are in need of a 4G wireless network
  g.. Please provide us any comments, questions, or concerns you have about 
our initiative
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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE


Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own 
cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners…….







Brian



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE



Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement:





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Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

[Blake Bowers]

Let us all know how that works out for you.  Key things I noticed when I
read the FAQ,

1.  "the range will be greater if the AR drone is used in wide-open space
with few Wi-Fi waves".  Now, I am not a great technical wizard, but won't
the majority of users from the WISPA mailing list have some of those pesky
"Wi-Fi waves" kicking around?

2.  "the AR.Drone can maintain STABLE FLIGHT (emphasis added by me) at a
height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet".  Now, Stable flight would be kind of 
important
when doing anything other than using it as a fun toy I would imagine.  I 
don't see
many water tanks under 20 feet - and if I did I carry a ladder.

All I was trying to do was get a bit more info out there on the thing, it 
looks like
a GREAT toy, and I am thinking about ordering one just to play around with, 
but
to expect it to be a dependable tool in your toolbox?  Buyer beware.  They 
put
plenty of warnings in the information on the manufacturers web page, (which
is what I posted) so don't expect STABLE FLIGHT
more than that 20 feet up, and be pleasently surprised if you get more
than the 20 feet.


 What is the range of the AR.Drone?

The range of the AR.Drone depends on the environment in which it is being 
used: the range will be greater if the AR.Drone is used in a wide-open space 
with few Wi-Fi waves. For information, the average range is 50 meters / 160 
feet.

 How high can the AR.Drone fly?

Thanks to its many sensors, the AR.Drone can maintain stable flight at a 
height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet. Since the altitude at which the AR.Drone 
can fly depends exclusively on the Wi-Fi range, it can fly up to a height of 
50 meters / 160 feet.

The "Altitude limited" option in the AR.Drone's settings can be adjusted to 
restrict the height to 3 meters / 10 feet.

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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone


> Most water tanks are less than 160', so it would work fine for that.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>
>> http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers
>>
>> Going to have to be a short tower.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
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>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John Thomas" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
>>
>>
>> >I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like
>> > it might save a tower climb somewhere.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p
>> >
>> >
>> > You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

[Blake Bowers]

http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers

Going to have to be a short tower.


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- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone


>I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like
> it might save a tower climb somewhere.
>
> http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p
>
>
> You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK

[Blake Bowers]

Give John a call.  That is headed the direction of the tower.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK


> She lives between Bristow and Kellyville on or near highway 66
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Blake Bowers" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK
>
>
>> Depending on where in Bristow, John at
>>
>> http://www.onalot.com/
>>
>> may be able to help, I know there are a couple of spots where you
>> can see one of my towers from that area, and he is on that tower.
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:54 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK
>>
>>
>>>I have a friend's sister that lives outside the town of Bristow, OK. Does
>>> anyone know who might service up there?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK

[Blake Bowers]

Depending on where in Bristow, John at

http://www.onalot.com/

may be able to help, I know there are a couple of spots where you
can see one of my towers from that area, and he is on that tower.


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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:54 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK


>I have a friend's sister that lives outside the town of Bristow, OK. Does
> anyone know who might service up there?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

[Blake Bowers]

It may be large, but the structural forces are very much different on
a tower that was designed to hold that much down pressure while
guyed and that much spread out over a self support spread base.

You could go higher than 20, but stability, dependability, etc would
suffer REAL quickly.

The twisting that you would have on a cemented in tower base,
on a guyed tower without the guys would be major.


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower


> Thats all? Its gotta be some pretty big stuff. You'd think it could be at
> least 50 or more.
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>
>> 20 feet with a good foundation?  Depending on the base.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower
>>
>>
>> > It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it?
>> What
>> > height would it become self supporting?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 
>> >> 186.
>> >>
>> >> They don't look like free standing towers though!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> >> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> >> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Look at 186, too.  It is a tower "almost identical" to 170.
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is 
>> >> >> probably
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> real steal if you want to take it down.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885&page=8
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Look at items 170 and 186
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you are interested and need someone to take it down.  get me
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> list.  I can recommend a company or two.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I make nothing on this.  It is just a lead.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -B-
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>> >> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

[Blake Bowers]

I am not really sure how you can make such a claim when
the picture does not show the face, etc of the tower.

I cannot imagine something like M54 tower freestanding
to 70 feet with 12 feet buried in concrete.

Just saying...


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- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Carullo" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower


> I've seen people (and climbed them) that had about 70 feet of tower
> free-standing with about 12 feet buried in a lot of cement
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 877-804-3001 x102
>
> 
>
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:44 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower
>
> Thats all? Its gotta be some pretty big stuff. You'd think it could be at
> least 50 or more.
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> 20 feet with a good foundation?  Depending on the base.
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????
>
>> It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it?
> What
>> height would it become self supporting?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers 
> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186.
>>>
>>> They don't look like free standing towers though!
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower
>>>
>>>
>>> > Look at 186, too.  It is a tower "almost identical" to 170.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is
> probably
>>> >> a
>>> >> real steal if you want to take it down.
>>> >>
>>> >>
> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885&page=8
>>> >>
>>> >> Look at items 170 and 186
>>> >>
>>> >> If you are interested and need someone to take it down.  get me
>>> >> off
>>> >> list.  I can recommend a company or two.
>>> >>
>>> >> I make nothing on this.  It is just a lead.
>>> >>
>>> >> -B-
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

[Blake Bowers]

20 feet with a good foundation?  Depending on the base.


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower


> It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it? What
> height would it become self supporting?
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>
>> I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186.
>>
>> They don't look like free standing towers though!
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower
>>
>>
>> > Look at 186, too.  It is a tower "almost identical" to 170.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably 
>> >> a
>> >> real steal if you want to take it down.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885&page=8
>> >>
>> >> Look at items 170 and 186
>> >>
>> >> If you are interested and need someone to take it down.  get me 
>> >> off
>> >> list.  I can recommend a company or two.
>> >>
>> >> I make nothing on this.  It is just a lead.
>> >>
>> >> -B-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

[Blake Bowers]

I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186.

They don't look like free standing towers though!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower


> Look at 186, too.  It is a tower "almost identical" to 170.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>
>> I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a
>> real steal if you want to take it down.
>>
>> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885&page=8
>>
>> Look at items 170 and 186
>>
>> If you are interested and need someone to take it down.  get me off
>> list.  I can recommend a company or two.
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>> I make nothing on this.  It is just a lead.
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[WISPA] Fraud?

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.stimulatingbroadband.com/2010/09/50-million-san-francisco-area-stimulus.html
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Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft

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1 mill was a lot more fun!



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- Original Message - 
From: "David Hannum" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft


> Well, they corrected the value.  Now they say $8k in damages . . . LOL
>
> http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_theft_causes_8k_in_dama.html
>
> Dave Hannum
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>
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>
>> >From the DHS Morning report.  I have to admit, the story gave me a bit 
>> >of
>> a
>> chuckle - 1 million dollars worth of copper?  Wow!
>>
>>
>> http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_taken_from_communicatio.html
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[WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft

[Blake Bowers]

>From the DHS Morning report.  I have to admit, the story gave me a bit of a
chuckle - 1 million dollars worth of copper?  Wow!

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_taken_from_communicatio.html



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[WISPA] Copper Theft

[Blake Bowers]

>From the DHS morning report



September 21, Milford Daily News - (Massachusetts) Two copper thefts 
investigated in Milford. Police are investigating the thefts of copper from 
a Pine Street church and a Verizon substation in Milford, Massachusetts, 
sometime September 19. The police chief said someone stole $1,800 worth of 
the metal from the First Unitarian Universalist Church at 23 Pine St. An 
officer responded to the church at 12:20 p.m. September 20, when a church 
employee told him a copper downspout was removed from the back of the 
building. In his report, the officer said the copper was about 16 feet long. 
The employee said he noticed September 19 a different downspout had been 
tampered with, but not taken. Older buildings are targets for such theft. 
Another officer responded to the Verizon tower at 2:27 p.m. September 20 
after an employee called police to report the theft. The employee said 
somebody cut the lock to the gate door and entered the facility sometime 
during the week of September 13. He said employees have reported five or six 
different incidents of theft over the last few weeks, and that police are 
looking for trucks that might be leaving the tower area. The investigation 
remains open. Source: 
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1680536952/Two-copper-thefts-investigated-in-Milford

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

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Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight 
store!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag


> I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow
> if you would like.
>
> On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, "Blake Bowers"  wrote:
>
> Round canvas bag.
>
>
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List"  
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>>
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>> WISPA Wan...
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

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Round canvas bag.




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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: [WISPA] tower tool bag


> I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
> towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided
> and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired 
> a
> 5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever 
> it
> hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

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http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm


This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
manage - for smaller antennas.


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>
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>>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
>> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
>> and the roofing material between.
>>
>> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
>> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
>> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>>
>> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
>> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
>> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
>> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
>> tripod.
>>
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[WISPA] Fw: From Homeland Security morning report

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> August 27, WINK 9 Fort Meyers - (Florida) 2 charged with stealing copper 
> wire from Collier County tower. Information sharing between law 
> enforcement agencies and detective work in Collier County, Florida, helped 
> lead to the arrests of two men - including a career criminal - on multiple 
> felony charges after deputies said the men stole copper wire from a 
> communications tower owned by Renda Broadcasting in East Naples August 26. 
> A 28-year-old man from Golden Gate, and a 32-year-old man from Golden Gate 
> were each charged with burglary, grand theft $300 to $5,000 and possession 
> of burglary tools. A search of the van turned up fresh-cut copper wire and 
> cables, along with large bolt cutters, a pry bar and large channel lock 
> pliers. The suspects were arrested and booked into the Collier County 
> jail. The 32-year-old suspect was additionally charged with two felony 
> counts of possession of a controlled substance after deputies found a 
> small plastic bag containing Xanax and Oxycontin pills in his possession 
> during the traffic stop, according to arrest reports. Source: 
> http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2010-08-27/2-charged-with-stealing-copper-wire-from-Collier-County-tower#ixzz0xpEUUyh2
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[WISPA] Tower/truck death

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http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was 
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St. 
NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully 
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Blake Bowers]

Wow.   Guess the 30 or so that I have done should
have all been rejected.

Oops.

Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before
hand.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
> You will be rejected if you didn't
> You can't just "get a 4.9 license".
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Blake Bowers]

Yes, and No.

for primary status you must file each location, but hardly anyone does that. 
It
is totally legal just to apply for a geographical license.
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of
> the link.
> What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that.
> The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have 
> to
> have someone go on line and check each day.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Blake Bowers]

Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has 
ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
has very little engineering information.

By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.


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Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam

[Blake Bowers]

deer cams are available for 50 bucks from Cabellas.

Makes it nice when you want a view from outside the
compound.


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Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam


>  I'm looking for an inexpensive outdoor netcam.  Inexpensive because
> funds are slim as I rebuild the network I just bought.  I need it
> because a tower of mine was vandalized today.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Blake Bowers]

I went around the corner, and all that was left was a big old
hole!


I did hear recently about a fire hydrant that was stolen out
of the ground in Northern NJ...


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts


>  Who is stealing tower sites?  :-p
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Blake Bowers]

Or knowledge that has not been published perhaps?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts


Now see, you are not playing fair. The article in the link does not
say that. For what you have said to be true, you must have other
articles on the subject.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> LOL...
>
> One can usually surmise pretty well when they are caught with the
> generators from 3 other sites, complete with serial numbers. Of
> course I guess someone could have slipped those monster
> units onto their trailer without them knowing about it.
>
> I say it again, alleged is just a nicety.
>
> (shaking my head)
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
>
>
> That, and there is no proof that they ARE the ones responsible for
> doing it, as yet reported. Likely, since one or both of them seam
> loose lipped, they will confess to at least some of the sites in
> question. They were only caught at one site after all.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>> These guys are "alleged" to have ripped out AC units, and copper
>> wire at many of the sites in question.
>>
>> Isn't alleged a cute word, it means "they did it but to keep the
>> attorneys at bay we use it"
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Blake Bowers]

LOL...  

One can usually surmise pretty well when they are caught with the 
generators from 3 other sites, complete with serial numbers.  Of
course I guess someone could have slipped those monster
units onto their trailer without them knowing about it.

I say it again, alleged is just a nicety.

(shaking my head)


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts


That, and there is no proof that they ARE the ones responsible for
doing it, as yet reported. Likely, since one or both of them seam
loose lipped, they will confess to at least some of the sites in
question. They were only caught at one site after all.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> These guys are "alleged" to have ripped out AC units, and copper
> wire at many of the sites in question.
>
> Isn't alleged a cute word, it means "they did it but to keep the
> attorneys at bay we use it"
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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Blake Bowers]

These guys are "alleged"  to have ripped out AC units, and copper
wire at many of the sites in question.

Isn't alleged a cute word, it means "they did it but to keep the
attorneys at bay we use it"


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts


> They should be hung from the highest..tower!
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator
>>
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[WISPA] Tower site thefts

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http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator


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[WISPA] pole attachment discussion

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http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0
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[WISPA] Longview TX

[Blake Bowers]

Got a call from a business needing service in Longview TX.

I have no idea about how much bandwidth, but I will pass on the
info to anyone that can help them out.

And before the 2404850834845 questions start, I am posting this to the 
WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS mailing list.  That would insinuate that 
they are wanting WIRELESS INTERNET.

I know not where in Longview - all I have is the name and the
phone number.

Did I mention this was for WIRELESS INTERNET?


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Re: [WISPA] Free 19" shock mounted shipping rack.

[Blake Bowers]

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ele/1892231194.html

This link may work a bit better.

Anyways, I get to be the first to say it...

NICE RACK!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Free 19" shock mounted shipping rack.


>I have been keeping this rack around for a long time, thinking I could use
> it somewhere but I have decided to give it away to anyone on the list who
> wants it.  The guts of it are mounted on rubber shock mounts and it is 
> about
> 3 feet high.
>
> It is great for making an "Emergency POP" in and using to drop in to a
> temporary location. It was designed to ship DataRadio wireless data 
> systems
> in.
> If you want it, it is free. You'll have to pick it up near Atlanta or pay
> the freight charges to get it to you. One great thing is that it needs no
> packing. It's its own packing!
>
> If you want to see it, I have it on Craigslist locally for 25 bucks.
>
> https://post.craigslist.org/atl/S/ele/nat/x/3eFNkYeiPyQiBv3k/so7Bo
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Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers

[Blake Bowers]

Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in
their page they talk about 40,000 "cell" sites - as in possibly
they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile
by terrestrial?

I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug
of money.

One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their
satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one?  No backup?


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From: "RickG" 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers


> It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks 
> to
> outer space!
> Spectrum assets and financing.
>
> *LightSquared* already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, 
> including
> 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency
> position.
>
> In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger
> Capital Partners and affiliates,*LightSquared* has additional debt and
> equity financing of up to $1.75 billion.
> Harbinger Capital Partners
>
> Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in 
> New
> York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in
> 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed 
> credit
> investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive
> Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of
> market cycles.
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>
>> http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/
>>
>> Anyone following these guys?
>>
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[WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/

Anyone following these guys?


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Re: [WISPA] Costs

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I figure it kills the value!

That and the cost of taking some of those AP's down.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Costs


> Ok, I hope this is allowable.
>
> I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP
> or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment.
>
> Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that
> what I will list. Best guess is all I can ask for. If it DOES go
> for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first.
>
> Motorola access points
> Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?)
> Advantage 900 (5?)
> Advantage 5.8 (10?)
>
>
> 5 Motorola Backhaul
> 10 Trango backhaul
> 26 Soloteck backhaul
> 12 EXP backhauls
>
> 30 servers, consisting of
> mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc. No idea on
> what kind of software, etc.
>
> 3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900.
> 2000 Trango 5.8

Hmm, are truck rolls required to pull sm's?  Could really hurt value.

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[WISPA] Costs

[Blake Bowers]

Ok, I hope this is allowable.

I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP
or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment.

Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that
what I will list.  Best guess is all I can ask for.  If it DOES go
for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first.

Motorola access points
Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?)
Advantage 900 (5?)
Advantage 5.8 (10?)


5 Motorola Backhaul
10 Trango backhaul
26 Soloteck backhaul
12 EXP backhauls

30 servers, consisting of 
mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc.  No idea on
what kind of software, etc.

3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900.
2000 Trango 5.8








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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

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BTW, you would not believe what I found at a tower site the other day,
a riding lawn mower!


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


>I hear ya.  I'll be glad when September rolls around.  Moving this office 
>is
> killing me.  HEY!  Shot my left index finger with the framing nailer!  One
> hole in, one hole out.  2 for 1.  I should learn to hire others to shoot
> their own fingers.  Then I could laugh at their misfortune.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Blake Bowers]

I start looking for a marching band with 76 trombones


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- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


> NEVER THE TOP!
> 
> Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE!
> 
> Trouble with a capital T.
> 
> Happens.  Sorry.  Been a long month.
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

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We are cash pay.   Regular DR visits are half of what the
quoted rate is.

Hospital is pretty much the same way.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance


> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such...
> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
> reasonable bill..
> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
>> the amount the bill was for.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

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Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
>> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
>> to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz

[Blake Bowers]

Hauling any public safety on those links?

Even the local FD that you give free service to...

Otherwise, good luck getting any real response from the FCC.


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- Original Message - 
From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:04 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz


> Anyone know who we would contact at the FCC to help determine what is 
> causing us
> interference on our 11GHz link?  Seems to have started as soon as
> Clear started putting
> a ton of 11GHz gear on one of our broadcast points.  They are saying
> they conducted
> a study and no interference was found.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies

[Blake Bowers]

It is often tough for a local bank to make a loan for towers, at least one
that values it correctly.  Bankers for the most part do not understand the
industry.

Now, if someone has a contract where a cell company is leasing space,
that can be converted to cash quickly.   (Like JG Wentworth says, Its your 
money,
and you want it now!)

Leases can be sold on terms to work with your operation.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies


> Charles,
>
> yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a
> large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem
> using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased 
> as
> colladeral.   I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction 
> that
> was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be
> looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly 
> coladeralized).
> If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar 
> liabilty
> on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future
> fnancing for things like operating capitol.  I'm finding there are tons of
> programs for everything except what we actually need.  AKA a small loan 
> for
> wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that
> can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they 
> need
> that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need
> one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or
> making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing..
> Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of
> financing to get. :-(
>
> However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful
> program!
> I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of
> it..
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
>
>
>> I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g.,
>> land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls 
>> in
>> it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount
>>
>> These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a
>> spectrum lease
>>
>> The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in
>> 40%, and you put in 10%
>>
>> The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position
>>
>> Say you take a loan for $100k
>>
>> You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the
>> remaining $40k
>>
>> In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the
>> assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole
>>
>> We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses
>> (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend
>> $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year
>> amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / 
>> month
>> ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =)
>>
>> Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US
>> Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your
>> tower =)
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:40 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Thanks for the Info/Link.
>>
>> In 2009, SBA had a great program based on a ARRA program, for a basic
>> small
>> business loan for any purpose.
>> They were increasing the SBA guarantee to 90% of loan value (instead of I
>> think it used to be 80% or less).
>> That made it way easy to obtain a bank loan, with only 10% down, because
>> it
>> was 100% risk-free for the bank. But lke any government program lots of
>> paperwork was required. Unforunteately, I did not learn about it until
>> last
>> few weeks of December 2009, and I was not able to compelte all teh
>> requirements in time to submit an application.  In 2010, that program
>> expired. :-(
>>
>> The CDC program link you attached, inferred it could be 100% guaranteed 
>> by
>> SBA. Wow.  But trying to find the catch, of what would disqualify 
>> someone?
>>
>> For example.
>>
>> "The CDC/504 loan program is a long-term financing tool for economic
>> development within a community. "
>>
>> So what qualifies as Economic development? Does this mean that a plan 
>> need
>> to be pre defined for loan proceeds to app

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.towerinsurance.net/

Ask for David Saul.  David is recognized quickly by any of the
tower companies, and completely trusted.

I believe he can take care of all your needs.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Carullo" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)


> I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements 
> below...
>
> Employer's liability insurance in an amount not less than $1,000,000 each 
> occurrence.
>
> Commercial General Liability (including completed operations and 
> contractual liability) on an occurrence basis with limits of not less than 
> $5,000,000 per occurrence which can be achieved through a combination of 
> primary and excess liability (umbrella) policies.
>
> Comprehensive form automobile liability covering owned, hired and 
> non-owned vehicles with limits of not less than $5,000,000 combined single 
> limit each accident which can be achieved through a combination of primary 
> and excess liability (umbrella) policies.
>
> "All-risk" or special causes of loss property insurance covering the Site 
> Equipment and appurtenant personal property for full replacement cost.
>
> All policies required hereunder shall be written by an insurer having a 
> policyholder rating ("Best Rating") of at least "A-" or better and be 
> assigned a financial size category of at least Class VIII as rated in the 
> most recent edition of "Best's Key Rating Guide" for insurance companies, 
> and be authorized to do business within the State of FL.  Such commercial 
> general liability and property insurance policies shall name Licensor and 
> the Site Manager (and such other parties as Licensor may reasonably 
> specify from time to time) as additional insureds.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions of a carrier that understands our industry and 
> the fact that an antenna on a building or tower would probably never cause 
> any claims to be submitted...  Just there cause the lessor needs the 
> paperwork.  Thanks.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hamvention

[Blake Bowers]

If you have a copper ground rod in the radome then you make the antenna both 
directional, and subject to a high VSWR.

Radome antennas like the one pictured do splinter - it is one of those
LMR facts of life.  ANY antenna subject to a direct strike can be
damaged.   The best antenna I have ever used for LMR is a DB224,
the design of which makes it totally unacceptable for WISP work.
(Unless you have a two way radio system in your installers
trucks LOL)

http://www.wiscointl.com/decibel/dipoles/db224.htm

This is the same style of antenna that dot many of the old AT&T
long lines towers across the country - I have never found one bad
at one of the AT&T sites.

For that matter, my MCI sites had radome antennas like the one
pictured, no copper ground rod going up through the antenna (I
can't even find one like that after some checking around) and I
never found one of those bad either.

That is a testament to proper grounding techniques, and a good
ground system at the base.

Lightning could really care less about your location on the tower.
Often times antennas on the side, half way down the tower will
be destroyed, and a similar antenna on the top is fine.

http://www.polyphaser.com/  when it was privately owned had a
fantastic book - "the grounds for lightning protection".  The owner
had spent his life working in the field, and packed that knowledge
into the book.  If you ever have a chance to get it - do so.

Another great source, but less info as to the WHY, is Motorola
R-56 standards.  EVERYONE should have a copy - there is more
knowledge stuffed into that book than the encyclpedia, when it
comes to installing equipment at a tower site.


Bottom line - if lightning wants your antenna, it matters not where it
is located on the tower.



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- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention


> Which part is a myth?
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:20 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
>
> That is a myth.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:36:07
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
>
> You can't use a fiberglass omni at the top of a tower and expect it to
> survive a strike unless it has a copper groundrod built inside of it
> protruding from the top in which it was designed to take a strike. Learned
> this from various HAM radio operators. Only 2.4ghz omni I know of that has 
> a
> metal frame and can survive direct strikes are slotted waveguides such as
> the various H-POL omni's you see. If I'm going to use a VPOL omni I make
> sure I'm not the tallest guy on the tower.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16 PM
> To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
>
> Ya, the pop (pun intended:) is growing so hopefully it gets sectors soon!
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff
>  wrote:
>> On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote:
>>> I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took
>>> a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it
>>> melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in
>>> it! I got it back up & running by dropping temporary cables down the
>>> side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next
>>> year!
>>>
>> We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a
>> 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got
>> blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit.
>>
>> Leon
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] and you think we have it bad

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm

Entire tower crew killed

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[WISPA] Water Tower on fire! (With Cellular involved)

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.channel3000.com/news/23558364/detail.html


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Re: [WISPA] Who will be at the Dayton Hamvention this weekend?

[Blake Bowers]

Don't you mean PULLET?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who will be at the Dayton Hamvention this weekend?


> Sure!  I get mine over at TSC.  Buy them by the pallet.
> 




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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

[Blake Bowers]

After getting 4 kids into their 20's, and learning from my
own mistakes (A LOT of them) this is what I have come up
with.

TRUST.

As soon as you expressly forbid them to do something, you have
waived that red flag in front of them, and they will find a way.

And you know, with the Zunes, Ipods, Cell phones, PSP's, etc, all
with internet access, as well as library computers, school computers
(the password to unlock the browsing safety program is well known)
friends computers, etc, kids will access the net without you knowing
about it, and they will do some stupid things.

Teach them the consequences, both from you and from the real world,
what can happen, and then be there.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:49 AM
Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids


> Hi All,
>
> Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email
> addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace,
> facebook etc. sites.
>
> If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.
>
> If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can
> delete things from.
>
> I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that 
> might
> bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting the
> stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.
>
> Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email
> address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally
> found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd 
> been
> saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I 
> got
> the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't 
> know
> that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net 
> and
> work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)
>
> So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the 
> deleted
> information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had
> no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden
> from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email 
> address.
>
> They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.  However
> they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO
> proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was 
> over
> 18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account
> information!  "go get it from your teen" is basically what I was told.
>
> WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.
>
> So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids 
> these
> days?
>
> thanks
> marlon
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Blake Bowers]

  SHUDDER 


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help


> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

[Blake Bowers]

70KW linears?  I throw the BS flag on that one.

500 miles with no skip?  That pesky law of physics throws the BS flag on 
that one.

I would LOVE to see a mobile antenna capable of handling 70KW.  Much less
the power source, as well as the feedline.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Profito" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?


> Forbes,
> Hope the rest of the list doesn't think I'm nuts:
> Do you see any large, hi gain CB or Ham beam antennas or Truckers from the
> southern area parked or loading nearby?
> Within say 1/4 mile of B tower?  The new mobile 70KW class C Linear's are
> about as dirty as they come. Some of those
> drivers from Mexico and AZ are talking direct, no skip, 500 miles on the
> lower vertical channels.  That much bleed over
> in radiated power may trip ground on your switch and or MT boards. It 
> could
> come right thru your tower grounding, let alone your antennas and CAt5.
> Could you try batteries there? Say a smart charger thru a UPS, then to
> batteries.   i.e. no common ground.
>
> Chuck Profito
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?
>
> We have been plagued with an ongoing issue in our Mikrotik backhauls.
> It happens about once a month and only on three radios that feed each
> other, all other sites work fine.  Site A is my head end, it is a
> Mikrotik 433 with an XR5 chip that feeds about five miles to another
> site to Site B.  Site B has the same equipment that goes through a
> managed switch then passes on to Site C about 7 miles further.
>
> What happens is we are suddenly paged that all three are down.
> Sometimes Site A stays up, most times not, we can get into Site A since
> it's the head end and we reboot it, it comes right back up.  Site B and
> C stay down, we have to drive to Site B and reboot it, it comes back up
> but Site C stays down.  We have a remote reboot for it from a redundant
> feed so after rebooting it C reconnects to B and they are all up.  This
> will happen three or four more times in a single day or not at all again
> for a month, it's totally unpredictable. The boards are up but not
> communicating, it also takes down the other 2.4 Mikortik AP's at Site B
> and that has to be rebooted.  We normally run arp -d to clear up any
> residual, it sure appears to be traffic related and we are on a bridged
> not routed network.
>
> The only similarities is it's only this feed, it usually happens in
> spurts of a day or two then stops for a long time, it always happens
> during the working day leading me to believe it's coming from a day
> user.  We run Wireshark but see nothing, we torch the towers and they
> don't show much unusual.  We're thinking it might be a deluge of traffic
> between Site B and C and are thinking of putting a PC at the C tower to
> run diagnostics there.  This is very manpower heavy as we have to send
> people two places and average down time is one hour to do this.  We are
> going to turn our network into a routed network this Summer but that
> doesn't help now.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Forbes
>
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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Blake Bowers]

If you have any public safety people using your system, even just for their
offices, mention that public safety is being interfered with.

Watch them move into HIGH gear then.

We have to call them every once and a while for public safety issues,
and they are tremendous to deal with.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!


>I get what you are saying Bob.  But sometimes it's more about knowing WHO 
>to
> call.
>
> I just had a guy call with a similar problem.  You all know him and I'd 
> drop
> his name but I don't want to tip off the dirt bag operator.
>
> When he first called the FCC he ended up at the wrong place.  They told 
> him
> that there was nothing they could do.
>
> I had him call back and specifically ask for the enforcement folks NOT the
> consumer complaint folks.
>
> He had pictures, spectrum analyzer, radio screen shots etc. that showed,
> clearly, that the other guy was aiming antennas right at his.  When the 
> good
> guy moved channels the bad guy moved with him, within days.  He was also
> able to get together with another local WISP who added his name to the
> complaint.
>
> This did take a couple of months to work through the system but last I'd
> heard the FCC HAD been working on this complaint.  Perhaps it's far enough
> along that the good guy can tell you a bit more.
>
> 1-800-call-fcc  Ask for ENFORCEMENT.  You need to have your documentation 
> in
> order first.
>
> It's true that we all have to accept interference.  It's also true that we
> can't CAUSE it maliciously.  They also have a hissy fit when we go over 
> the
> allowable power levels.
>
> For what it's worth, nearly all of my systems are below, often well below,
> legal levels.  They tend to work better that way anyhow.  Use bigger
> antennas not more power.  Range and reliability is about SNR.  You can get
> that in two ways.  More power is one.  Better ears is another.  Better 
> ears
> also mean narrower beams which usually means less interference which also
> means greater SNR which means longer ranges which means less AP's which
> means less interference etc. etc. etc.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lakeland" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
>
>
>> Marlon,
>>
>> You have personal contacts. That's cheating.  I have contacts too and
>> could
>> probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp
>> calling
>> the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office 
>> you
>> usually only get the recorded TV interference message.
>>
>> Maybe I'm just totally wrong.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer writes:
>>
>>> H, I've had much better luck that than Bob.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Lakeland" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
>>>
>>>
 Sorry  I side with Travis.

 I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, 
 Philly
 and
 DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and
 workforce
 they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections
 that
 they are required by law to do.

 There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they
 are
 causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some
 other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint
 between
 two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved.

 Thats the reality of the matter.

 -B-






 Jerry Richardson writes:

> Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel
> gets the grease.
>
> Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending 
> ISP,
> previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case.
>
> Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are
> affecting
> other legitimate users of the band.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM
> To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
>
> Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas.
> They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
>>

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

I sent a reply privately - but for anyone that got a broken spool
if you can't salvage I will replace it right away.


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS & FedEx
> drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got
> 150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in
> knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off.
> Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you.
> That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get
> another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it.
> -RickG
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>> Crud... Broken spool number 2.
>>
>> I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will
>> come apart.
>>
>> Were you able to get the rope off?
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
>>
>>
>>> I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another.
>>> That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers 
>>> wrote:
>>>> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
>>>> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>>>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>>>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "RickG" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
>>>>> May. Anyone else going?
>>>>> -RickG
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

Lets see... 300 rolls, 1200 feet each, total of 360,000 feet of rope.

68 miles of rope.

Y=number of people with antenna mounted on hats at Dayton.

10 feet per person.

I don't think we will have enough.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Lakeland" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> That's great.  Then we will have something to tie up every guy that walks 
> by
> with a base ball cap that has a rubber duckie antenna sticking out of it !
> LOL!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

But don't expect any of them to be anywhere close to Dayton.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Dorr" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> to find some other hamfests you can use http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
>> May. Anyone else going?
>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

Tell you what, if enough people go - and I decide to go - I
will provide a "hospitality" area for anyone from the WISPA
general list.  Free soft drinks, chairs, etc.

I usually get 4 stalls, and have room left over.


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another.
> That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping.
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
>> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest
>>
>>
>>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
>>> May. Anyone else going?
>>> -RickG
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

Crud... Broken spool number 2.

I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will
come apart.

Were you able to get the rope off?


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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another.
> That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping.
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
>> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest
>>
>>
>>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
>>> May. Anyone else going?
>>> -RickG
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
roll,
all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.

This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
special
yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)

Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
Did I mention it was NEW old stock?

Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
can
he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
INSANE!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


What's the rope?

On 3/25/10, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest
>
>
>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
>> May. Anyone else going?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Blake Bowers]

If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest


> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
> May. Anyone else going?
> -RickG
>
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Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact

[Blake Bowers]

I am a bit confused here.  Did you have a bad experience?

KGI Wireless manages many of the Verizon sites, and are somewhat OK to
deal with.

http://www.kgiwireless.com/Documents/QueryVerizonWirelessPublicSiteList.asp

They can be a little stiff - but they know what a WISP is.

Back in 2000 ATC signed an agreement to sublease all the space on over 2000 
Alltel towers
till 2015, making them the contact for Verizon/Alltel in a lot of the 
country.

Chris, these would probably be your best routes, if it did not help please 
drop me a
line in email.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact


> Co-locate with Verizon?
> ha ha ha ha ha !  HA HA HA HA HA!!~!!
>
> I hope you have applied for CLEC status and have a BIG BIG bank account!
>
>
>
>
> On 3/16/2010 6:54 AM, chris cooper wrote:
>> Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Chris Cooper
>> Intelliwave
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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Blake Bowers]

To all, Glenn and I have worked this out via email.

I have apologized.

Back to the Ethernet issues!
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


>I would agree -  was joking...
>
> Ask Atlantic City how well Digital worked...  I can tell you from
> personal experience.
>
> Ask Philadelphia City how well digital has worked...
>
> Trunking on the scene can be scary...
>
> Roll me a field Com and day
>
> Cincinnati Fire - just this January was screaming for a fix ...
>
> anyhow - as for the other...
> I agree its an issue w/ ethernet...
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Blake Bowers wrote:
>
>> igital is coming, but it ain't ready for prime time, at
>> least for the Fire Service.
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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Blake Bowers]

Absolutley.  Digital is coming, but it ain't ready for prime time, at
least for the Fire Service.

Thanks.


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heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


As a ran out of job by nextel moto radio tech,the problems generated can be 
a simple harmonic,but ,neverthless!most departments operate vhf analog 
systems,and cannot justify digital systems...they suck!! and are very 
expensive!!and I as a wisp know that if i were causing harmful interference 
to my local vol/paid department,my customers would understand me shutting 
down the computer ...if it meant saving a life...and this is real world 
stuff!!!Just remember one thing,,a wisp needs networking pro's...i am not 
one..but i am a real world rf guy,and the most important thing in the world 
is that the two-tone dispatch reaches our crew in time to save my house...or 
my family..Please take seriously any possible rf concerns,as they may 
affect the life of someone you may/may not know....Jason

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Blake Bowers  wrote:


From: Blake Bowers 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:09 AM


Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a




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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Blake Bowers]

With apologies to all on the list, I meant to send that privately.


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Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Blake Bowers" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


> Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a 




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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Blake Bowers]

Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a 
major metro Fire service, as well as presently being the
Chief of a rural department, and president of our local
Chiefs association, I can tell you - you are a dick.

But I digress.

Lots of volunteer fire departments out there are doing 
tremendous jobs, espically in the rural world where they
cannot afford the money to have paid people.   Saving 
property, saving lives.  

Judging from your comment about being on digital yet,
I presume you think that is the "thing".  NFPA, as well
as many other fire service groups are warning NOT to
go digital yet, at least for fireground purposes at a minimum,
due to the issues with digital vocoders.   

Have a nice day.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


> Being an old EMS and Fire Chief I can tell you - chances are it could  
> be their cruddy equipment.
> Its obvious they are not on digital yet...
> 
> I could tell you some really big horror stories from my EMS days ...
> Volunteer Dept's are even more fun (done both sides of the fence)
> 
> If you really want to pick his britches...
> 
> next time your there pick up the phone and dial 390
> 
> ask for a volunteer carpenter ...
> 
> then dial 829  and ask for a volunteer plumber...
> 
> finally dial 911 and ask for a volunteer Fire Fighter...
> 
> (ok bad joke)
> 
> I love the volunteers - they are what made every department I was part  
> of so great...
> without them - the departments imho are worthless...
> 
> but it sure is fun to get that volly chief all up in a tiffy !
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Now - if we could only get our equipment to push tones out - we could  
> have some real fun.. and page them any time of the day..
> 




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[WISPA] Hardinsburg KY

[Blake Bowers]

Now for a twist

Got a customer with a need for a small tower spot in or close
to Hardinsburg KY.  They will also need a T1.  The antenna
will be a two way radio LMR antenna.


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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Blake Bowers]

Everything I have is exactly what is in the pictures, save for the color 
difference.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Reed" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale


> Is everything you have twisted, or do you have some braided?
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale
>>
>>
>>> Lets see these fancy pictures
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale
>>>
>>> Twisted or braided?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers 
>>> wrote:
>>>> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the
>>>> benefit of
>>>> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ROPE FOR SALE
>>>>
>>>> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
>>>> roll,
>>>> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>>>>
>>>> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows
>>>> how
>>>> special
>>>> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>>>>
>>>> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>>>>
>>>> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>>>>
>>>> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the
>>>> madness? How
>>>> can
>>>> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are
>>>> positively
>>>> INSANE!
>>>>
>>>> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>>>>
>>>> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up
>>>> - or I
>>>> can
>>>> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in
>>>> Missouri and
>>>> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
>>>> also
>>>>
>>>> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>>>>
>>>> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>>>>
>>>> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>>>>
>>>> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or
>>>> 417-293-0773
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its
>>>> handling,
>>>> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not
>>>> constitute
>>>> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership
>>>> of such
>>>> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not
>>>> suggesting
>>>> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use
>>>> it as
>>>> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested
>>>> in any
>>>> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This
>>>> rope is
>>>> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
>>>> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>>>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>>>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> WISPA Wan

Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Blake Bowers]

No, but I do have some spiffy pictures.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Dorr" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale


> Do you know the test strength of the rope?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit 
>> of
>> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>>
>> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>>
>>
>> ROPE FOR SALE
>>
>> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a
>> roll,
>> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>>
>> This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how
>> special
>> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>>
>> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great.
>>
>> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>>
>> Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How
>> can
>> he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
>> INSANE!
>>
>> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>>
>> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or 
>> I
>> can
>> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri 
>> and
>> Oklahoma this month). You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
>> also
>>
>> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>>
>> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>>
>> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>>
>> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>>
>> *
>>
>> Legal warning. Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
>> storage, care, and use. Failure to have that knowledge does not 
>> constitute
>> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of 
>> such
>> rope. Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
>> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
>> such. Practice safe rope. Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
>> way. Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested. This rope is
>> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower. Your mileage may vary, void where
>> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>>
>> *
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Rope for sale

[Blake Bowers]

As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of 
WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.

If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.


ROPE FOR SALE

I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a 
roll,
all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.

This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how 
special
yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)

Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.

Did I mention it was NEW old stock?

Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How 
can
he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively 
INSANE!

We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.

Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I 
can
deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it 
also

Rope is located in southern Missouri.

Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.

Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.

Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773

*

Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, 
storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute 
failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such 
rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting 
that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as 
such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any 
way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is 
NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where 
prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.

*
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.




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