[WISPA] Fishers, In

2009-06-20 Thread Graham McIntire
Can anyone cover Fishers, In?

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Re: [WISPA] OSBridge

2008-08-27 Thread Graham McIntire
I have about 60 customers or so using the 5GXIs connected to Mikrotik
APs using 10 MHz channels.  It works out great as long as you don't
have any trees in the way.  I don't have any experience with their APs
or using polling with them however.

Graham

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Is anyone running any of the OSBridge outdoor wireless equipment? Could
 you please comment (good, bad or ugly) either on list or off-list.

 thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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Re: [WISPA] pcb

2008-02-15 Thread Graham McIntire
I use these for about everything:

http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1070/.f

Graham

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd be interested in some of those too...



  Mike Hammett wrote:
   How many and what size are you after?  I have some of two different sizes
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   - Original Message -
   From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:29 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb
  
  
  
   Let me know when you order.  They have a min order number.  I got some a
   couple yrs ago and sold a bunch.  I think you had to order 500-1000.
   Now I am a little low.  I might take some off your hands if you don't
   want that many.
  
   Brian
  
   Travis Johnson wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting
   routerboards inside cases?
  
   Travis
   Microserv
  
  
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] $400.00 lap top

2007-11-26 Thread Graham McIntire
A better option may be the Asus Eee PC,
http://eeepc.asus.com/en/701.htm  They're so popular most retailers
are having problems keeping them in stock.  I've been considering
getting one for roof site surveys to replace my existing aging laptop.
 People have reported successfully getting Windows XP installed on it,
although it's by no means fast.

Graham

On Nov 26, 2007 12:20 PM, CHUCK  PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Awhile back there was a thread about hardened laptops for service personnel.


 Then I spotted this article http://tinyurl.com/239v4k or
 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071123.wgtonelaptop1123
 /BNStory/Technology/home  about the Linux based lap top for kids with a
 daylight screen, sealed keyboard, USB, dual power, wireless, camera, any way
 for $400.00 you get one and some poor kid some where else gets one too.
 http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/explore.php

 My question:  will a Linux based system run the apps we would need for
 service personnel? Does this unit have enough power to do an install. @ $400
 for 2, we, WISPA, could do a lot of good, if they would work for our service
 personnel.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-13 Thread Graham McIntire
Read close, it only applies to ILECs, CLECs, and CMRS (commercial
mobile radio service) providers.  Still not a bad idea for WISPs, but
not required if you're not a CLEC.

Graham

On Nov 13, 2007 9:19 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Speak of the devil.

 Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up:

http://www.tessco.com/yts/industry/products/infra/infrastructure/power_supplies/pdf/agl_reprint.pdf



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Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services

2007-09-06 Thread Graham McIntire
I signed up for an authorize.net account via e-online data using
powernoc as the referral.  I can't stand their product, but they have
fantastic rates on the merchant accounts :)

https://www.e-onlinedata.com/powernoc

Graham

On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for 
 merchant services (CC processing).  Opinions?


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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Graham McIntire
A quicker workaround than convincing your IP provider to set the
reverse for you would be to use a remotely dedicated or co-located
server (or even a cheaper virtual server) to bounce all of your
outgoing and incoming mail through.  That way you could set up
something like mta.yourdomain.com forward and reverse, which all mail
will pass through both incoming and out to make the overzealous spam
filters pass the mail.

Graham

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 Gang,

 I have started having trouble with my customers email getting
 bounced because other
 servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my
 domain because my
 network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural).
 Does anyone
 know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to
 change
 it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.).
 If I have to
 work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it.  FYI,
 they are
 ses-americom.com.  The company I purchased the domain through and who
 handles
 the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because
 the IP
 is not in their IP address space.

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Re: [WISPA] POE Surge Protectors

2007-08-30 Thread Graham McIntire
The Pacific Wireless ones have worked well for me:
http://www.pacwireless.com/products/POE.shtml

Graham


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Re: [WISPA] lightning rods?

2007-08-01 Thread Graham McIntire
I made one out of an old (shot) bearing that came with my tower (I got
it free for taking it down) and a few pieces of stranded heavier gauge
copper wire.  The bearing was for a mast I don't use, so I was able to
mount it on the very top of my tower since it already had the mount
for it there.  It's only grounded to the tower metal itself and has
been up for a little over a year.  I haven't blown a radio on that
tower yet, so I presume it's doing the job... we've had plenty of
lightning storms come through this year.

Graham

On 8/1/07, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been seeing these little lightning rods at truck inspection
 stops on the interstate. They look like metal daisies. Anyone have an
 idea where to get them? I hear they work well. Take a look at:
 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=9734hilit=
 Scroll way down!
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Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link Pacwireless

2007-08-01 Thread Graham McIntire
I have a VIA Epia M1000 with a DC-DC 12v power supply.  If I recall
correctly, it drew 17 watts @ 12v with a RB24 card in it.  Although I
haven't done it, there shouldn't be a reason you couldn't run that off
PoE with a reverse-injector on the motherboard side to take the
power off the cat5 before it gets to the board.

The newer DC-DC power supplies (
http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-60-WI?sc=8category=13 ) are probably
much more efficient than the older one I have.

Graham

On 8/1/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Now you are understanding what the rest of us have been going thru for
 the past couple of years. ;)

 The RB532 is underpowered for big backhaul links, yet any of the
 mini-itx or micro-itx boards need 120VAC or a seperate power cable and a
 power converter inside the box. Running LMR cable works for short runs
 (20-30ft), but after that it just limits the signal too much.

 What we really need is an 800mhz Routerboard in the same form factor as
 the current RB532. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Jory Privett wrote:
  I have been doing some research and these seem great, almost.   The
  main problem I have is power where it needs to be.  If I could get
  120v then I could easily use one of these units or a standard PC.
  Most of my sights are on water towers so there is no electricity at
  the top of them and the radio ahs to be feed with PoE.  I have tried
  putting the radios lower and using LMR cableis to the antennas  but
  have had bad experiences with that in the past.
 
  Jory Privett
  WCCS
 
  - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nstreme2 Link  Pacwireless
 
 
  Jory Privett wrote:
  These look very interesting.  Does anyone have any
  recomendations/experinces with any in particular?   Do they support
  the MikroTik RouterOS?
 
  Just get something fanless and low-power, and you're good. I usually
  suggest fanless because you can get the whole No Moving Parts
  assembly, which means fewer things that can break; the benefit of
  that should be obvious :) Low-power is optional, but usually goes
  along with fanless, because otherwise your computer could cook itself.
 
  The biggest downside is probably the some assembly required bit -
  you're basically buying all the parts for a small desktop computer,
  and assembling them yourself. There's a bit of learning curve even if
  you've worked with desktop PCs before (those power supplies
  especially are tiny, and can be annoying to work with). Your first
  system will probably take an hour or two to assemble.
 
  It will be a bit bigger than a Routerboard 500 - probably six inches
  square, two or three inches tall. And you'll need real power, as
  you can't usually run these with POE.
 
  RouterOS is available for standard x86 hardware, which most
  mini-ITX boards would be.
 
  You may also want to look at the new Soekris 5501. I haven't tested
  RouterOS on it, but Soekris is standard x86 hardware, so problems are
  pretty unlikely. It's a single-board unit, so you don't have to
  assemble anything; you'll be getting a bit less performance at about
  the same price, but you don't have to spend an hour putting bits
  together.
 
  mini-box.com has a good selection of bits and pieces; I've bought
  from them before and they took good care of me.
 
  David Smith
  MVN.net
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Do you use a NAICS code and if so which one?

2007-07-18 Thread Graham McIntire

What about 518111?

http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/ND518111.HTM

I believe that's what I filed under, but I'd have to go dig through
some paperwork since it's not one of those things I keep in the front
of my brain.

Graham

On 7/18/07, Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For our business tax application in DC we had to put down a NAICS code.
I picked 541519 because nothing seemed to match. I wonder if anyone else
has had to look through these and found something better? 541519 seems
to be the other computer related services bucket. You would think
there would be enough of us around that they would have Internet Service
Provider by now. : )

Thanks

Martha Huizenga
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Re: [WISPA] Do you use a NAICS code and if so which one?

2007-07-18 Thread Graham McIntire

You have to classify a specific area of business you operate in if you
file for a Sales and Use tax in your area.  I'm in an unincorporated
area of my county, so I only pay Texas sales tax and don't deal with a
city.

Graham

On 7/18/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is a NAICS code and why is it something important to have? Should I
get one? What will I do with it?
Thanks,
Scriv


Martha Huizenga wrote:
 Ah yes I searched for Internet on the NAICS site and this didn't
 come up. Amazing!

 Thanks so much!

 Martha

 Graham McIntire wrote:
 What about 518111?

 http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/ND518111.HTM

 I believe that's what I filed under, but I'd have to go dig through
 some paperwork since it's not one of those things I keep in the front
 of my brain.

 Graham

 On 7/18/07, Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For our business tax application in DC we had to put down a NAICS code.
 I picked 541519 because nothing seemed to match. I wonder if anyone
 else
 has had to look through these and found something better? 541519 seems
 to be the other computer related services bucket. You would think
 there would be enough of us around that they would have Internet
 Service
 Provider by now. : )

 Thanks

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 DC Access
 


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Re: [WISPA] Reverse lookup

2007-07-13 Thread Graham McIntire

Great!  Glad to hear it worked out for you.

Graham

On 7/12/07, Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have done as you directed and it is working, I love my freedom, if I
want to change a server I don't have to fill in the forms in triplicate
and wait three for the instruction to executed wrong. :-D

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Graham McIntire wrote:
 My /25 is delegated to me from ATT as the zone:
 128/25.xx.xx.12.in-addr.arpa

 In my named.conf I have:
 zone 128/25.xx.xx.12.in-addr.arpa {
type master;
file master/29.xx.12.in-addr.arpa;
 };

 Take note the CIDR and last octet of my network are reversed, my
 netblock is 12.xx.xx.128/25.

 Graham

 On 7/12/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Carl A jeptha wrote:
  can someone do a reverse look up on the following # 142.46.11.217. I
  need to know who is answering for it. Also need to know how to
 create a
  proper revers name for 16 ip addresses in bind all I'm is info for
 a /24

 I don't think BIND can handle smaller allocations. You may have to
 pretend to be authoritative for the whole /24. (Your upstream will,
 presumably, only route requests for your /28 to you, so the only folks
 who would ever know the difference are you, and any customers of yours
 who do reverse lookups on the rest of that /24, which probably doesn't
 happen too often.)

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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS

2007-07-12 Thread Graham McIntire

I have a delegated reverse on a /25 from ATT.  If you do a whois on
my netblock the reverse DNS servers are still ATT's, but they forward
all the requests on that block to my servers.

Graham

On 7/12/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Delegated reverse DNS control cannot work with smaller than /24 IP blocks.

-Matt

Carl A jeptha wrote:
 If I only have a 16 pubic ip addresses, can I control my reverse dns
 or should my upstream be doing that In the past it was always done
 that way, but now they are try to change and some of my email is not
 working - no reverse dns.



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Re: [WISPA] Reverse lookup

2007-07-12 Thread Graham McIntire

My /25 is delegated to me from ATT as the zone: 128/25.xx.xx.12.in-addr.arpa

In my named.conf I have:
zone 128/25.xx.xx.12.in-addr.arpa {
   type master;
   file master/29.xx.12.in-addr.arpa;
};

Take note the CIDR and last octet of my network are reversed, my
netblock is 12.xx.xx.128/25.

Graham

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Carl A jeptha wrote:
 can someone do a reverse look up on the following # 142.46.11.217. I
 need to know who is answering for it. Also need to know how to create a
 proper revers name for 16 ip addresses in bind all I'm is info for a /24

I don't think BIND can handle smaller allocations. You may have to
pretend to be authoritative for the whole /24. (Your upstream will,
presumably, only route requests for your /28 to you, so the only folks
who would ever know the difference are you, and any customers of yours
who do reverse lookups on the rest of that /24, which probably doesn't
happen too often.)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL on AM Tower

2007-07-06 Thread Graham McIntire

If you're in a pinch, Radio Shack part # 273-105 works.

Mouser and other part suppliers carry them as well for cheaper (not
sure on part #'s though, sorry).

Graham


On 7/6/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Any info where to get one of these coils?

Thanks

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Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL on AM Tower

The Feritte coil will do the same, but used sheilded cat5..

On 7/6/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm thinking about deploying a Alvarion VL 4 system on one of my towers,
 and
 I'd like to use the indoor chassis at the base.  However, the tower is a
 non-live (i.e. its got an insulated antenna from the tower) at 5000 watts.
 I have AC power at the top but I'd like to use the IDU/ODU system that
 Alvarion uses.  Is there a form of shielded cat5 I can use that will block
 the RF pickup up the tower?  Normally a cat5 cable will instantly fry a
 network port unless it's somehow filtered.  AC is easy to filter - a choke
 on the top and bottom solves the problem.  But DC power, is what I'm
 concerned with.  Has anyone addressed an issue like this?



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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL on AM Tower

2007-07-06 Thread Graham McIntire

Correct, ideally you should place one at each end of the cable, right
before it's terminated.  They just clamp over the cable itself and
help reduce spurious RF by turning it in to heat before it gets to
your equipment.

If you're need to chock the cat5 and power line, I'd use a single
ferrite choke at the end of each cable (they're cheap).  That should
help cut down substantially on outside interference on the cables.

Graham

On 7/6/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So that just goes around the outside of the cable, like they have on
monitors?  Will that protect the ethernet and power at the same time?

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Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL on AM Tower

If you're in a pinch, Radio Shack part # 273-105 works.

Mouser and other part suppliers carry them as well for cheaper (not
sure on part #'s though, sorry).

Graham


On 7/6/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any info where to get one of these coils?

 Thanks

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL on AM Tower

 The Feritte coil will do the same, but used sheilded cat5..

 On 7/6/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm thinking about deploying a Alvarion VL 4 system on one of my towers,
  and
  I'd like to use the indoor chassis at the base.  However, the tower is a
  non-live (i.e. its got an insulated antenna from the tower) at 5000
watts.
  I have AC power at the top but I'd like to use the IDU/ODU system that
  Alvarion uses.  Is there a form of shielded cat5 I can use that will
block
  the RF pickup up the tower?  Normally a cat5 cable will instantly fry a
  network port unless it's somehow filtered.  AC is easy to filter - a
choke
  on the top and bottom solves the problem.  But DC power, is what I'm
  concerned with.  Has anyone addressed an issue like this?
 
 
 
  Thanks
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz attenuation

2007-06-22 Thread Graham McIntire

I have two towers running MT APs at 5.8 with CM9s and 16 dBi horiz
sectors.  Using Osbridge 5GXi's as the CPE, I have clients a few miles
out with non-LOS and the occasional treeline without any issues.

I also have one house about 3/4 mile away from my tower that's going
through nearly 1/4 mile of scattered trees.  It attenuates pretty
badly during heavy rain until the leaves on the trees dry out, but
stays connected.  It's my parents-in-law's house, so they're a little
more forgiving if it happens to drop than a client would be ;)

Half a mile with scattered trees shouldn't be a problem for you, even
with snow/rain attenuation.

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks


On 6/22/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a 5 mile link where I'm not quite sure if the antenna is above the
trees or not as it is on top of a mast.  That link is on the better side
of -80 for almost 2 years.  Based on that I'd think I'd be okay at a half
mile or less.  I figured that with most of the town at better than -60 and a
lot better than -50, I could stand to go through a few meters of tree, but
that's why I came here to ask.  ;-)

Based on the numbers on the site I looked at, 10 db of attenuation is 27' of
foliage.  That'd put 20 db at 55' of foliage.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz attenuation


 Mike,

 Good to go as long as the TV towers allow you to get the CPE antennas
 above the trees.

 jack


 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Most of my coverage area is open fields, so there isn't much to making a
 link work.

 I have an increasing demand to install an AP in a small town (no point
 within town is further than 1/2 mile away from the tower site).  I prefer
 to use 5 GHz due to the amount of spectrum available.  An article I read
 said 1.5 db per meter of foliage or 20 db per tree in 5 GHz.

 The grain leg is 100 - 150 feet tall.  Many houses have TV towers.  Radio
 Mobile (not counting foliage) says the worst signal I can expect to see
 is in the 60s with most in the 50s or 40s.

 Safe to assume that most of the town will be good to go?


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Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz attenuation

2007-06-22 Thread Graham McIntire

The CPE is a LiteStation5 running OSWave firmware (stock LS5 firmware
did not work with Routing/Nat/DHCP), in a 23 dBi ARC Wireless antenna.

The trees around here (NE Dallas area) are some pine, oak, pecan, locust, etc.

Right now the trees are a little damp from a ton of rain the past few
days.  Signal levels for the 3/4 mile link with ~1/4 mile trees is:
-69 dBm Rx at the CPE
-72 dBm Rx on the tower

Without the trees that link would be WAY higher than that.

I also have a client about 2.5 - 3 miles away NLOS (maybe 1 or 2
treelines) that sits around -80 dBm on both sides.  He's been up for
almost a year and I don't think it's ever dropped from attenuation.

Right now 100% of my clients are on 5.8 GHz.  After working with it in
the field for a while I can vouch for it being one heck of a tricky
animal.  Links that look perfectly fine in radiomobile just flat out
don't work, and others that RM shows will never work haven't even
dropped a single time since they've been up.  I just started adding
900 to my towers so I don't have to brute-force my way through iffy
links with higher power on 5ghz.

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks

On 6/22/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Could you provide some sort of numbers?  How much loss does that 1/4 mile of
water-retaining trees have?

The town is basically a square with the tower on the far west side in about
the center.  It is 1/2 mile to the extreme corners, so there are a lot of
people 1/4 mile and less.

Someone on another list mentioned water retention as a show-stopper, but my
limited experience had me thinking just about anything less than a 1/2 mile
would work.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Graham McIntire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz attenuation


I have two towers running MT APs at 5.8 with CM9s and 16 dBi horiz
 sectors.  Using Osbridge 5GXi's as the CPE, I have clients a few miles
 out with non-LOS and the occasional treeline without any issues.

 I also have one house about 3/4 mile away from my tower that's going
 through nearly 1/4 mile of scattered trees.  It attenuates pretty
 badly during heavy rain until the leaves on the trees dry out, but
 stays connected.  It's my parents-in-law's house, so they're a little
 more forgiving if it happens to drop than a client would be ;)

 Half a mile with scattered trees shouldn't be a problem for you, even
 with snow/rain attenuation.

 Graham McIntire
 Verona Networks


 On 6/22/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a 5 mile link where I'm not quite sure if the antenna is above the
 trees or not as it is on top of a mast.  That link is on the better side
 of -80 for almost 2 years.  Based on that I'd think I'd be okay at a half
 mile or less.  I figured that with most of the town at better than -60
 and a
 lot better than -50, I could stand to go through a few meters of tree,
 but
 that's why I came here to ask.  ;-)

 Based on the numbers on the site I looked at, 10 db of attenuation is 27'
 of
 foliage.  That'd put 20 db at 55' of foliage.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message -
 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz attenuation


  Mike,
 
  Good to go as long as the TV towers allow you to get the CPE antennas
  above the trees.
 
  jack
 
 
  Mike Hammett wrote:
  Most of my coverage area is open fields, so there isn't much to making
  a
  link work.
 
  I have an increasing demand to install an AP in a small town (no point
  within town is further than 1/2 mile away from the tower site).  I
  prefer
  to use 5 GHz due to the amount of spectrum available.  An article I
  read
  said 1.5 db per meter of foliage or 20 db per tree in 5 GHz.
 
  The grain leg is 100 - 150 feet tall.  Many houses have TV towers.
  Radio
  Mobile (not counting foliage) says the worst signal I can expect to
  see
  is in the 60s with most in the 50s or 40s.
 
  Safe to assume that most of the town will be good to go?
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
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