Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Oh... I thought it was just me having issues with the site. If you move REAL slow, it seems to work fine. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:11 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd,2010 sort and filter the fcc db, mainly for microwave links and tower locations. The spectrum bridge map does not work well for me, crashing often (both linux and windows) with tile errors. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
It appears that you have, even if VHF-Lo turns out to be not workable, several UHF channels. Of course, if you have real estate on the hills to the north, east, and south, you're not too bad off, either. ( wife's mother lives in Yakima, son's going to be going to YVCC sometime soon, I think, I know the place somewhat.) I ran the center of town type of scenario, putting the spot somewhere a little west of the railroad tracks and just south of the downtown corridor. I suspect it may change if you move out toward Moxee or through the gap out toward Wapato, or up north toward Naches. The spectrumbridge tool works pretty decently, but it lacks explanation of some of the features. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Forbes Mercy Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference. Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
I have 12 towers surrounding Yakima with my head-end in Moxee. On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, MDK wrote: It appears that you have, even if VHF-Lo turns out to be not workable, several UHF channels. Of course, if you have real estate on the hills to the north, east, and south, you're not too bad off, either. ( wife's mother lives in Yakima, son's going to be going to YVCC sometime soon, I think, I know the place somewhat.) I ran the center of town type of scenario, putting the spot somewhere a little west of the railroad tracks and just south of the downtown corridor. I suspect it may change if you move out toward Moxee or through the gap out toward Wapato, or up north toward Naches. The spectrumbridge tool works pretty decently, but it lacks explanation of some of the features. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Forbes Mercy mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
This was probably already answered but what is the theoretical range given the power limits in the upper channels. Sent from my iPhone4 On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I have 12 towers surrounding Yakima with my head-end in Moxee. On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, MDK wrote: It appears that you have, even if VHF-Lo turns out to be not workable, several UHF channels. Of course, if you have real estate on the hills to the north, east, and south, you're not too bad off, either. ( wife's mother lives in Yakima, son's going to be going to YVCC sometime soon, I think, I know the place somewhat.) I ran the center of town type of scenario, putting the spot somewhere a little west of the railroad tracks and just south of the downtown corridor. I suspect it may change if you move out toward Moxee or through the gap out toward Wapato, or up north toward Naches. The spectrumbridge tool works pretty decently, but it lacks explanation of some of the features. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Forbes Mercy Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
I'm not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels.I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas.I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Today's FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it's members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industry's stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isn't a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Today's MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operator's comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater effectiveness. The telecom world is heating up, debate is dynamic and everlasting! Our work and lobbying continues or we will fade away through legislation without representation. We MUST speak up to hold our ground and seek new fertile ground. I work hard each day to stimulate the industry I so dearly love. I invite you to join our efforts. The technical talk is fine and needed, but without a playing field to place the infrastructure and achieve business success, the technical talk is all a moot point. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
14 green channels (all UHF) and 2 blue (VHF-Lo and VHF-Hi) I think we will see WISP devices quickly that operate only in the UHF spectrum. Lo-VHF (2-6) 54-72 and 76-88 MHz is almost unusable for digital service due to impulse noise. Hi-VHF (7-13) 174-216 MHz is the prime space as far as the TV stations are concerned and therefor has almost no available white space. UHF (14-51) 470-698 MHz is where most of the available space is. It is also much easier to build a transceiver and amp that can tune the UHF band alone than one that can tune all three bands. Also, antennas for UHF only are much smaller, higher gain and easier to deploy. Come on UBNT! I want to be a beta tester!!! MDK wrote: Im not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels. I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are eitheradjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas. I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Todays FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, its members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industrys stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isnt a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Todays MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operators comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater effectiveness. The telecom world is heating up, debate is dynamic and everlasting! Our work and lobbying continues or we will fade away through legislation without representation. We MUST speak up to hold our ground and seek new fertile ground. I work hard each day to stimulate the industry I so dearly love. I invite you to join our efforts. The technical talk is fine and needed, but without a playing field to place the infrastructure and achieve business success, the technical talk is all a moot point. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Just using Omni whip antennas at some of these frequencies at the 4 watt level will give you all kinds of power increases just by the laws of physics. For instance when you go from 50 MHz to 450 MHz the free space loss difference is 20 DB! That is a difference of 100 times! So if you were to operate on say channel 2 using antennas without any gain, compared to a UHF channel your power levels increased by 100 times, not to mention the characteristics of those lower frequencies bending over obstacles because propagation in lower frequencies follows the curvature of the earth more and is not so much LOS. When you are talking about going much lower in frequency the need for high gain directional antennas is greatly reduced. Now the ability to make antennas invisible inside consumer level devices will be very hard, WISPs are in the fixed wireless business so that typically is not an issue. If you have up 9 channels available that is up to 54 MHz of new spectrum. For an industry crying for new spectrum without having to pay for it, I think thats a great deal. I just looked at the area around my house in the middle of NY and realized there are up to 22 channels available. Thats 132 MHz of new spectrum. As far as the antennas are concerned, yes they will be larger and at the AP side directional antennas will need to be quite large to establish directionality. Log periodic yagi antennas may be an option. While they wont give you a lot of gain, they will give you a directional pattern and be very wide banded. Use a combiner system and you could possibly put multiple APs on different channels on the same antenna. WISPs are going to have to rethink how they would construct their AP sites from what they are accustomed to. On the CPE side Omni whips may be enough given the characteristics of the lower frequencies. A ¼ wave Omni whip cut for 150 MHz range is only 19 inches long. The higher in frequency the shorter they get. A possible source of cheap, directional and varied antenna designs for the CPE market would be actual TV antennas available NOW. If the equipment manufacturers for whitespaces outdoor CPE are smart, they will create radios that have a 75 Ohm impedance at the antenna port and take advantage of the commercial TV antenna market rather than re-invent the wheel. This will also help gain acceptance from the homeowners because they would be looking at something they are already accustomed to. Whitespaces is different but not impossible. Different is change, human nature is resistant to change. If we can get our minds around the idea of change and that it really isnt all that bad, we can all work towards making the best of these changes and start working them to the WISP advantage. The people who become the most successful are the ones who embrace change and make good use of opportunities rather than resist. Make lemonade J Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Im not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels.I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas.I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General mailto:wireless@wispa.org List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Todays FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, its members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industrys stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isnt a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Todays MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
I'm looking at high gain antenna for frequency reuse and not further penetration. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 8:22 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Just using Omni whip antennas at some of these frequencies at the 4 watt level will give you all kinds of power increases just by the laws of physics. For instance when you go from 50 MHz to 450 MHz the free space loss difference is 20 DB! That is a difference of 100 times! So if you were to operate on say channel 2 using antennas without any gain, compared to a UHF channel your power levels increased by 100 times, not to mention the characteristics of those lower frequencies bending over obstacles because propagation in lower frequencies follows the curvature of the earth more and is not so much LOS. When you are talking about going much lower in frequency the need for high gain directional antennas is greatly reduced. Now the ability to make antennas invisible inside consumer level devices will be very hard, WISP's are in the fixed wireless business so that typically is not an issue. If you have up 9 channels available that is up to 54 MHz of new spectrum. For an industry crying for new spectrum without having to pay for it, I think that's a great deal. I just looked at the area around my house in the middle of NY and realized there are up to 22 channels available. That's 132 MHz of new spectrum. As far as the antennas are concerned, yes they will be larger and at the AP side directional antennas will need to be quite large to establish directionality. Log periodic yagi antennas may be an option. While they won't give you a lot of gain, they will give you a directional pattern and be very wide banded. Use a combiner system and you could possibly put multiple AP's on different channels on the same antenna. WISP's are going to have to rethink how they would construct their AP sites from what they are accustomed to. On the CPE side Omni whips may be enough given the characteristics of the lower frequencies. A ¼ wave Omni whip cut for 150 MHz range is only 19 inches long. The higher in frequency the shorter they get. A possible source of cheap, directional and varied antenna designs for the CPE market would be actual TV antennas available NOW. If the equipment manufacturers for whitespaces outdoor CPE are smart, they will create radios that have a 75 Ohm impedance at the antenna port and take advantage of the commercial TV antenna market rather than re-invent the wheel. This will also help gain acceptance from the homeowners because they would be looking at something they are already accustomed to. Whitespaces is different but not impossible. Different is change, human nature is resistant to change. If we can get our minds around the idea of change and that it really isn't all that bad, we can all work towards making the best of these changes and start working them to the WISP advantage. The people who become the most successful are the ones who embrace change and make good use of opportunities rather than resist. Make lemonade J Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *MDK *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 I'm not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels.I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas.I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Today's FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it's members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack On 9/25/2010 12:41 AM, MDK wrote: Im not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels. I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are eitheradjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas. I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Todays FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, its members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industrys stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isnt a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Todays MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operators comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater effectiveness. The telecom world is heating up, debate is dynamic and everlasting! Our work and lobbying continues or we will fade away through legislation without representation. We MUST speak up to hold our ground and seek new fertile ground. I work hard each day to stimulate the industry I so dearly love. I invite you to join our efforts. The technical talk is fine and needed, but without a playing field to place the infrastructure and achieve business success, the technical talk is all a moot point. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference. Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
That is pretty nice. Unless I am mistaken, you need 3 open channels in a row and use the middle one, correct? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack On 9/25/2010 12:41 AM, MDK wrote: I’m not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels. I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas. I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Today’s FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it’s members and the “grassroots” efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industry’s stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isn’t a business; it is a well defined “association” of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Today’s MO on the TV Whitespaces included “WISPA” 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operator’s comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater effectiveness. The telecom world is heating up, debate is dynamic and everlasting! Our work and lobbying continues or we will fade away through legislation without representation. We MUST speak up to hold our ground and seek new fertile ground. I work hard each day to stimulate the industry I so dearly love. I invite you to join our efforts. The technical talk is fine and needed, but without a playing field to place the infrastructure and achieve business success, the technical talk is all a moot point. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Not quite, if there is a station that has a contour that covers your desired area, you have to also stay off the channel above and below it in your area. You would protecting their first adjacent channel. There may be some exceptions to the rule for certain channels. I'll be reading the report and order to look for those. There is also a need to protect I believe a 60 km buffer along the Mexican and Canadian border for VHF channels and I think a 40 KM buffer on the Mexican border in UHF. There are also certain cities that were granted use of a UHF channel for land mobile radio systems called the T-Band. Not sure if the first adjacent channel for those needs protecting. When I finish the whitespaces mapping tool I will try my best to note those exceptions in the file somehow. There are also some ship to shore phone systems that are worth mentioning. The spectrum bridge interactive map shows all of these areas. As mentioned previously in other messages, channels 3,4 and 37 are off limits as well. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 That is pretty nice. Unless I am mistaken, you need 3 open channels in a row and use the middle one, correct? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack On 9/25/2010 12:41 AM, MDK wrote: Im not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels. I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas. I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Todays FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, its members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industrys stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isnt a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Todays MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operators comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Is that not what I said? If the contour does not cover you, then its a open channel. If you have a contour on say ch 3, and one on 7, then you have to stay off 4 and 6, and can use 5, 3 open channels at least. (Ignoring that 34 are not usable, numbers are for example use only). I welcome your KMZ of the contours. I have made my own filter apps to sort and filter the fcc db, mainly for microwave links and tower locations. The spectrum bridge map does not work well for me, crashing often (both linux and windows) with tile errors. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not quite, if there is a station that has a contour that covers your desired area, you have to also stay off the channel above and below it in your area. You would protecting their first adjacent channel. There may be some exceptions to the rule for certain channels. I'll be reading the report and order to look for those. There is also a need to protect I believe a 60 km buffer along the Mexican and Canadian border for VHF channels and I think a 40 KM buffer on the Mexican border in UHF. There are also certain cities that were granted use of a UHF channel for land mobile radio systems called the T-Band. Not sure if the first adjacent channel for those needs protecting. When I finish the whitespaces mapping tool I will try my best to note those exceptions in the file somehow. There are also some ship to shore phone systems that are worth mentioning. The spectrum bridge interactive map shows all of these areas. As mentioned previously in other messages, channels 3,4 and 37 are off limits as well. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 That is pretty nice. Unless I am mistaken, you need 3 open channels in a row and use the middle one, correct? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack On 9/25/2010 12:41 AM, MDK wrote: I’m not trying to throw cold water on you, but before anyone gets themselves all excited, they better make use of the spectrumbridge tool and see if they have ANY available channels. I'm relatively rural and I have ONLY 2-9. All other frequencies are either adjacent to in use or in use. And, at the low frequencies in use, I sort of doubt it will be well supported. Antenna issues for 2-6 make one wonder if it'll be used much at all. That's BELOW the FM band, and making use of antenna gain involves airplane size antennas. I'm not saying it can't work, but there's huge issues, making the range and practicality small. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:07 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Today’s FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it’s members and the “grassroots” efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industry’s stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isn’t a business; it is a well defined “association” of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Today’s MO on the TV Whitespaces included “WISPA” 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operator’s comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Well since I'm Yakima you now have my attention! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/25/2010 5:00 PM, MDK wrote: Your sarcasm would be, well, effective, if I weren't correct about there being no way to use it. No other WISP is going to be able to do what I can't do, either, Jack. In my town, there is ONE UHF channel. 6 mhz. That's it. In the mountains, where we need it due to forest, it can't be done.Get yourself a copy of Radio Mobile and check your HAAT, RM uses the FCC's requirement as its defaults. There's ONE VHF-HI channel.Two VHF-LO channels. And, as mentioned, the VHF low is so susceptible to noise I doubt anyone will even try to make anything work there. One flourescent light on and your internet goes dead... So, while this is fantastic in theory, in reality, this spectrum will not be useable to signficant level, by many WISP's. If you use the tools you have and start inspecting your sites, you'll find that there's a lot more use of TV space than you knew.And, some places are amazingly open. However, some of the rural guys will find lots of space. I hope, anyway. Gresham, OR, - 2 channels Portland, OR, - 2 channels Spokane, WA, 12 channels - but a good chunk won't work due to HAAT limitations. Libby, MT, 37 channels Moro, or, 36 channels ( population, 400?) Tacoma, WA, 12 channels yakima, WA , 14 Lawrence, KS. 12 The majority of examples above include at least half the channels in VHF. As I noted before, there ARE obstacles to overcome in using VHF, especially VHF-lo. Even VHF-hi could prove to be seriously susceptible to interference.Also, the VHF and and sometimes even UHF frequencies are subject to interference by skip, which will cause cyclical interference issues, by broadcasters far, far away. We'll find out when either makers trials leak results, or when people start trying. These are some of the technical issues that will become part of our vocabulary as we try to move into this. Has anyone here seen any trials done in the VHF frequencies? I did some propagation examples in my town, using RM and UHF, and it appears we're going to be limited to around 1.5 miles max distance, unless you can get your antenna near max height, both AP and client due the fact the fresnel zone is HUGE! I didn't dry the VHF bands, as I couldn't find quickly find any antenna specs published for the frequencies. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010 Hello Mark, Thank-you for your comments and thanks in advance for agreeing not to use the available TV White Space channels in your area. That will leave those open for another WISP to use. Thank you again and best regards, jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
Today's FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it's members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and have supported our efforts to improve our industry's stake in the Broadband Service business landscape. WISPA isn't a business; it is a well defined association of member companies that have common interests and a drive to improve their businesses. It is quite remarkable what we can all do when we combine our forces. Today's MO on the TV Whitespaces included WISPA 88 times! We (WISPA) are now a household name with most of the lobbying groups (both opposition and supporters) in the broadband industry, the FCC and many legislators. We still need to work on the legislative lobbying effort and that will take each of our members to write to their congressman and senators, meet them personally and tell them our stories and successes. Although it may be out of many operator's comfort zone, it should be noted that they (legislators) all get up and get dressed every morning just like you and I. They are often former neighbors and have a passion to serve their local service areas, just like we do. We need to befriend these influential people and relay our passion to extend broadband ubiquitously. We estimate there are 2000-3000 WISPs in the USA. Nearly 400 have joined and support WISPA. We can further benefit our industry with greater participation from those who continue to sit on the sidelines. We invite those WISPs to join the rest of the operators by joining WISPA at http://signup.wispa.org. By joining WISPA, you become a co-owner of WISPA with all of the other members. Incidentally, I just received a call from Francois Menard, a very astute operator in Canada, who will be joining WISPA very soon. He thanked WISPA for our hard work and he would like to get a similar organization started in Canada or get more Canadian WISP companies to join WISPA. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot duplicate what we have achieved to assist our neighbors to the north with greater effectiveness. The telecom world is heating up, debate is dynamic and everlasting! Our work and lobbying continues or we will fade away through legislation without representation. We MUST speak up to hold our ground and seek new fertile ground. I work hard each day to stimulate the industry I so dearly love. I invite you to join our efforts. The technical talk is fine and needed, but without a playing field to place the infrastructure and achieve business success, the technical talk is all a moot point. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
