Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
Let me be clear. I would rather the government stay out of broadband altogether. I honestly mean that. I think it is a shame that our government gets involved in as many things involving broadband as they do. The trouble is that they will not stay out of our business. So the next thing we have to decide is whether we just let them blindly regulate, tax and screw up the system or if we take an active role in making the system work for us if it is going to be working for someone. I hope that makes sense. It is honestly how I feel and is why I am as active in state and federal level issues as I am. Think of it this way, there will be grants for broadband over the next year, would you like it or would you rather other people get it? Somebody will be getting that money. Most of my efforts have to do with providing tax breaks and other incentives to smaller broadband companies to offer service in harder to reach areas. I am also part of a few public / private partnering groups who are trying to improve economic opportunity in our region by using broadband as a catalyst. Maybe it will work or maybe it will not. The one thing I can tell you though is that we are not creating new taxes. We are using existing programs and our own money to try to make the outlook for broadband and our economy better in our region (Southern Illinois). Scriv David Sovereen wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
Yes, I totally DISAGREE with the government paying people to NOT grow crops. What ever happened to supply and demand? I thought that was lesson #1 in Economics. Travis Microserv Cliff Leboeuf wrote: So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO can survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over production creating too much product for not enough demand...? :) On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
Not that I agree with you 100%, but I've seen people move here and assume broadband was available to them. When they find out they can't have it they all say "I make my living on the net and I need it bad" I always wonder what they were thinking. Anyways, government funding is fine if done right and by right I mean in a fair non wasteful way. George David Sovereen wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO can survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over production creating too much product for not enough demand...? :) On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and > government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed > Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the > shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network > or for Joe User to get your service. > > If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live > in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services > (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything > and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one > makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they > should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated > with that decision. > > Just my own 2 cents. > > Dave > > 989-837-3790 x 151 > 989-837-3780 fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.mercury.net > > 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 > - Original Message - > From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill > toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > > >> IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and >> installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money > where >> it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own >> pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be >> able to hook up to a WISP. >> >> >> Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. >> >> Thanks, >> Chadd >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to >>> encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] >>> >>> >>> Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm >>> here to help >>> you" >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> ImageStream >>> 800-813-5123 x106 >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and > installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where > it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own > pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be > able to hook up to a WISP. > > > Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. > > Thanks, > Chadd > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to > > encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > > > > > > Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm > > here to help > > you" > > > > :-) > > > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > ImageStream > > 800-813-5123 x106 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
