Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Most of my AP's are Mikrotik 433ah boards with multiple radios but I just put one up with 3 separate 411 cards bridging into a 600a routerboard. Got the idea from another member here. Works fine but I don't have much load on it yet although it should handle quite a bit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00
[WISPA] Sectors
Well I just upgraded the RB from a 433 to a 433AH because I was seeing processor hitting 60-80% during peak times. I am actually just planning ahead because I keep hearing 30 as a magic number per AP. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
I think I'm hitting 802 limit. CPU on the board isn't getting tasked that hard. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
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Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
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Well that depends on who you talk to. It's like overselling bandwidth, everyone has their own limit. I've seen AP's with almost 100 on them but there were a lot of low use customers. Check your graphs on the MT and see what the long term history is for that AP. Going to the AH boards is a good move no matter how you look at it though. Planning ahead is a very good thing indeed! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors Well I just upgraded the RB from a 433 to a 433AH because I was seeing processor hitting 60-80% during peak times. I am actually just planning ahead because I keep hearing 30 as a magic number per AP. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless
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Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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Actually no. I got a tip from Ej to put a rectangle of foil in a sleeve, he said like a card protector but I use aluminum foil with contact paper (not really paper, vinyl) and place it between each card. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday
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Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the box, the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in their own box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to a central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. That's one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone a couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a doing nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes another one listening. At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to push 3 meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your customer base. I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into 2 180 degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you just do 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to where you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for more growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per sector. I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I only dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my remote AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card as needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of course until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already suggested doing and I like the economics of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to get that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak times, we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but that's not happening very often right now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, Jason? Just curious. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack of horsepower on the AP's CPU? Greg On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual AP's, or would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is AP overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've seen a performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs multiple boards with single radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Mark, If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the strength of your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the Indiana farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is not that high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had good luck with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing clients and enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will justify 3 sectors, I would go that way though. Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our salesmen to a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go farther, we try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a high density of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are well established in our area and have most of these sites already in operation. Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site density. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December
[WISPA] Sectors
I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I have looked at several 120 patterns and it looks to me like there would be a HUGE gap on the far sides of each antenna? The one pattern I am looking at shows -20db down at 90 degrees on each side. I'm just not sure how well it would actually work? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi sector... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Sectors
I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP to 32 subs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does antenna design said so :) You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Depending on the cost of whatever sector you are looking at, I think the extra cash for the third antenna and radio would offset the amount of aggravation. Take it from someone who is cheap, just spend the extra cash. Been there, done that, have less hair over it. (That's why I wear a hat) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi sector... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
If you want to go real cheap... you could always just put up another omni antenna if there is available spectrum... then you can load balance the AP's, and should one fail, you have redundancy. Not an efficient use of spectrum, but if the site is remote enough... it might not matter. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Depending on the cost of whatever sector you are looking at, I think the extra cash for the third antenna and radio would offset the amount of aggravation. Take it from someone who is cheap, just spend the extra cash. Been there, done that, have less hair over it. (That's why I wear a hat) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi sector... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Yes, Splurge and go 3 -120s. If you can't justify it, maybe put up one new 120 deg sector, and leave the original Omni up to cover the rest. I guess it depends on why you are needing to sectorize. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
