Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
report path Calc result in Number of 9's, it should consider this situation and calculate results somewhere in between. Considering D2 Rain Zone... Its pretty certain that for 3.5miles, I'd want 3ft dishes. Its pretty certain that for 2 miles I'd want 2ft dishes. But for 2.5-3 miles, its uncertain. NOw I've done the path calcs, and I've has others more experienced than me run the path Calcs, for there recommendations. But what I'm looking for is what the users in the field found, after running their path Calcs. Did their Link go down in the thunderstorm? And was it a little overengineered or little underengineered? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Tom, Your rainzone affects potential signal loss during a heavy storm... so it takes a bigger dish or more power to compensate for that... just the same as my mountaintop towers that get up to 2 feet of ice build-up on them... we have to plan for 10db of "extra" signal loss during 3-4 months of the year. I guess I'm not sure why all the questions about multi-path, etc.? I've _never_ heard of someone not being able to get an 18ghz link working. It's licensed, so there are no noise issues. It's a tight beamwidth, and if engineered and installed correctly (not on anything that will move or flex), it will work. Is there a particular install you are considering? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Good info, to build confidence, but, your area is dry climate. Its a different animal here in our East coast D2 rain zone. Anyone with D2 zone or worse, Feedback? We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. Are you mounted on tenant buildings, towers, or hills? Multipath would only likely be a concern for tenant building roof mount. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Tom, Your rainzone affects potential signal loss during a heavy storm... so it takes a bigger dish or more power to compensate for that... just the same as my mountaintop towers that get up to 2 feet of ice build-up on them... we have to plan for 10db of "extra" signal loss during 3-4 months of the year. I guess I'm not sure why all the questions about multi-path, etc.? I've _never_ heard of someone not being able to get an 18ghz link working. It's licensed, so there are no noise issues. It's a tight beamwidth, and if engineered and installed correctly (not on anything that will move or flex), it will work. Is there a particular install you are considering? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Good info, to build confidence, but, your area is dry climate. Its a different animal here in our East coast D2 rain zone. Anyone with D2 zone or worse, Feedback? We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. Are you mounted on tenant buildings, towers, or hills? Multipath would only likely be a concern for tenant building roof mount. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU ar
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Good info, to build confidence, but, your area is dry climate. Its a different animal here in our East coast D2 rain zone. Anyone with D2 zone or worse, Feedback? >We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. Are you mounted on tenant buildings, towers, or hills? Multipath would only likely be a concern for tenant building roof mount. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fo
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
I don't have any licensed links yet, but I am debating on several in the near future. Can anyone tell me what a 18GHz licensed link costs other than your actual hardware and the procedure for getting the license? Thanks guys, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:"WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: "
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
I agree, they seem to be very solid. We have 4 links (I think) with 3 on DragonWave and they are rock solid. Maybe we have 4 on DragonWave. One on Trango is still a pretty new install and may have configuration issues, so my comments about that system should be taken with a grain of salt. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt, I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:"WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt, I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU setup and you use LMR-400 between them. You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less than you are paying for your fiber. ;) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi all, I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection. I am currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers and would like to replace it with my own infrastructu
[WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link >I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky > behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. > But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not > configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys > have > had a chance to exhaust their remedies. > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link > > >> The Trango is solid as a rock, also. >> Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 >> antenna >> and radio per side, under 300mbps. >> I was nothing but impressed with our units. >> >> Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all >> the >> freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and >> ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But >> there >> is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? >> >> Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining >> several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are >> fantastic. >> Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only >> negative >> I found was no adaptive modulation) >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link >> >> >>> Matt >>> >>> I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 >>> outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my >>> hand >>> the next day from Canada. >>> >>> Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. >>> ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. >>> >>> I have no experience with the trango. >>> >>> Bob >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 >>> To:"WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link >>> >>> >>> I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock >>> solid. >>> Never a problem. Have several systems. >>> We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not >>> running well at all. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link >>> >>> Matt, I would take a look at the Trango GigaLink 18ghz product. It will do 105Mbps full-duplex (200Mbps total) for your price range and you can do a software upgrade to 300Mbps full-duplex (600Mbps total) for about $5,000 extra (at a later date, when you need the speed). It's an IDU/ODU setup and you use LMR-400 between them. You could lease the 600Mbps version on a 36 month, $1 buyout for less than you are paying for your fiber. ;) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection. I am > currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my > towers > and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure. I own the > towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is > 2.9 miles. The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but > I'm > planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to > be > able to maintain 100meg speeds. > > I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using > for > this type of link. The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd > like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a > $12-15K price range on it.Vendors, feel free
