Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Zack Kneisley
rom: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 >I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present. > One of the carriers made the c

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present. One of the carriers made the

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato
Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Thats Funny. Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber network? Not likely. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ---

RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread chris cooper
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Thats Funny. Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber network? Not likely. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
neral List" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said "No one wa

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Blake Bowers
- Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said "No one wants to be in office when the copper networks go dark." Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Erskine
Sam Tetherow wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some tim

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
Quite honestly, if that article is a sampling of Evslin's grasp of networking, he is damned lucky he was a co-founder of AT&T and ITXC because his thought process is so short sighted it is scary. For those that haven't read the short article he is saying that since landline phones have dropped

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread George Rogato
Sam, I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it might be good for list discussion. George Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pull

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Sam, It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper network. As I understand it, the original purpose of the USF was to help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves there is no

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Sam Tetherow
Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string

Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro
George, I seem to remember someone else made this prediction 2 years ago. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant

[WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-30 Thread George Rogato
Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [i