Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Scott That was just an idea. It's not the way it is. Dues are simple 250.00 per year for a wisp , 1,000 for a vendor. In the early formation days of WISPA the subject of how and how much to pay was tossed around and Marlon had a per wireless sub plan. I recommended 1,000 per wisp because I felt there would not be enough wisps to support wispa and there has to be enough dues to keep the association going and give it enough money to work with to get things done. Quite a few of the very small wisps didn't feel they could pay more than a couple hundred dollars per year. So affordability won out and the dues are an easy 250.00 per year or 25.00 per month and we take credit cards. Pretty much most of the people who have payed dues realize that like my business and yours we need revenues to continue on, we are hoping that a lot more wisps join so that WISPA can get some things done. We also need members to step forward and help out via the special committees. We have some that are kind of dormant that could use help and WISPA is willing to start new ones that anyone wants to create. George Scott Lambert wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Would have been per wireless sub. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Scott Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
LOL, you'd have to pay me! -RickG On 5/18/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? >I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) > Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since > 1999! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > > >> One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership >> fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with >> more revenue pay higher membership fees. >> >> -Matt >> >> Frank Muto wrote: >>> That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I >>> highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will >>> take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be >>> happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL >>> has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our >>> beginning. >>> >>> It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong >>> membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry >>> conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their >>> $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also >>> provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also >>> hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without >>> WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales >>> channels. >>> >>> There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that >>> will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free >>> ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the >>> level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. >>> >>> As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an >>> important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory >>> funding to work. >>> For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a >>> strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step >>> outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to >>> drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what >>> they are doing and what they have accomplished. >>> >>> >>> >>> Frank Muto >>> President >>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc. >>> Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? >>> >>> >>>> I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking >>>> up. >>>> >>>> I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. >>>> I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, >>>> publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts >>>> us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every >>>> time it does so. >>>> >>>> Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived >>>> to be. WISPA needs to change that. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>> Peter R. wrote: >>>>> Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, >>>>> >>>>> It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of >>>>> WISPA. >>>>> >>>>> Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. >>>>> >>>>> How about you tell us what would be good value? >>>>> What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? >>>>> >>>>> This is a good time (pre-election). >>>>> >>>>> - Peter >>> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I do grow tired of this subject coming up every so often, questioning the 'value' of WISPA. The time of those who contribute paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph is worth 1000X what I pay in dues anually. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > > > >I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. > > Marlon > > (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) > > Consulting services > > 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since > > 1999! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > > > > > >> One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership > >> fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with > >> more revenue pay higher membership fees. > >> > >> -Matt > >> > >> Frank Muto wrote: > >>> That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I > >>> highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will > >>> take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be > >>> happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL > >>> has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our > >>> beginning. > >>> > >>> It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong > >>> membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry > >>> conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their > >>> $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also > >>> provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also > >>> hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without > >>> WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales > >>> channels. > >>> > >>> There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that > >>> will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free > >>> ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the > >>> level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. > >>> > >>> As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an > >>> important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory > >>> funding to work. > >>> For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a > >>> strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step > >>> outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to > >>> drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what > >>> they are doing and what they have accomplished. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Frank Muto > >>> President > >>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc. > >>> Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > >>> > >>> > >>>> I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking > >>
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
We do accept donations at any time! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
You've got this backward Peter. The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Frank Muto wrote: Now with those examples, the next issue you will get is the moans on what WISPA is doing with the money. Everyone will be on the bandwagon on what to do with the funding. So, unless the group matures and growth is established organically with the understanding that WISPs all WISPs must join together and show solidarity to those that they are working for, it does not matter what the cost is. OH, MAN! is THAT true. Even the ones who don't pay dues will be telling you how to spend it! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Which is true, but they have been around a long time and part of several merged associations. You need to start somewhere and by looking COMPTEL as a model, you can form a basis on how WISPA can improve. They also have a CEO council made up within COMPTEL as a separate entity. Let's look at this in a smaller scale. If you have 1k WISPs paying $25 a month, it adds up... that's $25k monthly. Now let's say you up it to $50, now you are at $50k. Now with those examples, the next issue you will get is the moans on what WISPA is doing with the money. Everyone will be on the bandwagon on what to do with the funding. So, unless the group matures and growth is established organically with the understanding that WISPs all WISPs must join together and show solidarity to those that they are working for, it does not matter what the cost is. Frank Muto - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
That depends Matt... If EVERYONE on the 'free list' were paid members; who knows if the dues would be enoughfor starters at least! :) - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Hi Folks, > I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist > putting my two cents in it. > > If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic > in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP > fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. > The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated > Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of > them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. > > Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in > Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a > much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the > US). > > It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared > to pay the price for it ! > > (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a > dose of reality). > > > Faisal Imtiaz > SnappyDSL.net > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? > > I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. > > I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I > like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish > position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. > I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it > does so. > > Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to > be. WISPA needs to change that. > > -Matt > > Peter R. wrote: > >> Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, >> >> It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. >> >> Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. >> >> How about you tell us what would be good value? >> What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? >> >> This is a good time (pre-election). >> >> - Peter >> > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:LeBoeuf;Cliff FN:Cliff LeBoeuf ORG:Computer Sales & Services, Inc. TEL;WORK;VOICE:(985) 879-3219 ADR;WORK;PREF:;;1162 Barrow Street;Houma;LA;70360;United States of America LABEL;WORK;PREF;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:1162 Barrow Street=0D=0A= Houma, LA 70360 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:2 URL;WORK:www.cssla.com www.triparish.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-TEXT;CUSTOM1:Computers - Copiers - Internet PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAeAB4AAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CABQAEsDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD0/U7ybXRqGt6xqFzZ6HaSy29vbW07RLME J+Z8dWOG74xjivKNS+JfhW0vJIU811U9ftRqT4x3MsHwd0xYm2iS8ugw9eDXzb4X0G/8Ta5b aVpMXm3U5wATgKByST2AFU207I56dOM4KUlds97u/jB4Wtxxa3szekUxP65xSwfFbTJ0WWDw v4hkgIz5i5I/Q17F8K/gdoPhGzhnvYVvNU2/PO4IOeenJA4OOPxzWnLolj4y8Sz2qhP+Ef0a cRNaiMgS3abSZC2QWC7ioU5XIJOSFwcz7l+xp/yr7jwu1+
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: > Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, > > It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. > > Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. > > How about you tell us what would be good value? > What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? > > This is a good time (pre-election). > > - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
