Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-20 Thread Mike Hammett
After talking to them both now, I am ready to admit my mistake on this one. Since I had been doing my own VoIP since 2004, I just lumped them into the "people I don't need" category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/17/2012 9:59 AM, John Scrivner

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Another great post. Thanks, Fred! It might take a few more readings to fully digest everything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/17/2012 4:20 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 2/17/2012 11:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So meeting the switch at each rate c

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/17/2012 11:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So meeting the switch at each rate center is free, but meeting at the tandem costs money? I had always thought that you built to a tandem for $X and if your traffic with a given switch exceeded a certain amount, you then connected to that tandem and

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
So meeting the switch at each rate center is free, but meeting at the tandem costs money? I had always thought that you built to a tandem for $X and if your traffic with a given switch exceeded a certain amount, you then connected to that tandem and then each switch at $X*Y where Y is the num

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/17/2012 10:59 AM, John Scrivener wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: They just resell a national provider. Rarely do these national providers cover areas where broadband is not already available. Â Actuall

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread John Scrivner
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > They just resell a national provider. Rarely do these national providers > cover areas where broadband is not already available. > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com > > Actually Net Sapiens and Ip

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
They just resell a national provider. Rarely do these national providers cover areas where broadband is not already available. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/17/2012 7:53 AM, John Scrivner wrote: If I am not mistaken, WISPA has a couple of Vendor

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/17/2012 08:53 AM, John Scrivner wrote: If I am not mistaken, WISPA has a couple of Vendor Members who already sell a turnkey solution to this, Ipiphony and NetSapiens both sell complete switch solutions to provide full-blown CLEC level services via VoIP I believe. It may be that I am not u

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread John Scrivner
If I am not mistaken, WISPA has a couple of Vendor Members who already sell a turnkey solution to this, Ipiphony and NetSapiens both sell complete switch solutions to provide full-blown CLEC level services via VoIP I believe. It may be that I am not understanding what you are proposing though. Any

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Sullivan
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor" > At 2/16/2012 07:01 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: >>I don't know enough about the CLEC stuff to say for sure, but that sounds >>interesting. Would that let you get local DID's f

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
CLECs, so you'd create a CLEC or team up > with an existing CLEC that doesn't yet serve your area, and then > could pull phone number blocks from NANPA. > >>Kevin >>- Original Message ----- >>From: "Fred R. Goldstein" >>To: >>Sen

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-16 Thread Fred Goldstein
oesn't yet serve your area, and then could pull phone number blocks from NANPA. >Kevin >- Original Message - >From: "Fred R. Goldstein" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:57 PM >Subject: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "

Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-16 Thread Kevin Sullivan
I don't know enough about the CLEC stuff to say for sure, but that sounds interesting. Would that let you get local DID's for VoIP? Kevin - Original Message - From: "Fred R. Goldstein" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC m

[WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

2012-02-16 Thread Fred R. Goldstein
The current FCC rules per November's CAF order allow ILECs to be subsidized to provide "broadband" unless there is an "unsubsidized competitor" who provides both voice and data service. Jack Unger has written an excellent petition to the FCC to change that to allow it to be "unsubsidized compe