Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I've got the server in production now. Everything is a bit overkill (except the 
CPU, but it's ok). 1.6GHz Atom (dual core, HT off), 2GB of RAM and dual 16GB 
high speed CF cards (RAID-1 in a 2.5 SATA enclosure).

The UM interface is still not instantaneous, but it is improved. When it hits 
the CPU hard (which it does), it only pulls 50% (one core, would only hit 25% 
when HT was enabled in the BIOS and the RouterOS was showing 4 cores). I see 
the CPU perk above 50% during those times, telling me that the SMP support it 
doing it's job and the other core is being used for other tasks.

RAM and storage usage is minimal. If anyone else is wanting to try something 
similar, I'd recommend throwing more CPU at it. This board made for a clean, 
cheap and easy solution though.

-Paul

On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know 
 that box would be an improvement over the RB anything.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a 
 dedicated User Manager box?
 
 Something like this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
 
 -Paul
 
 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
  reading to disk.  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
  RB1000.
 
  Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
  other RouterOS device, too.
 
  As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
  move just about everything.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
  I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
  install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
 
  So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There 
  is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where 
  I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
  earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the 
  RAM. Perhaps that might help...
 
  I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF 
  card instead?
 
  -Paul
 
  On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
   I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
  setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
  You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
  database like mysql.
 
  David Blood
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
  We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
  for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
  slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
  months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
  into our current customer base.
 
  I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
  just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
  on x86 hardware?
 
  Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
  to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
  -Paul
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-13 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
It'll be a temporary solution until we get our VMWare cluster, I went ahead and 
ordered it.

-Paul

On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know 
 that box would be an improvement over the RB anything.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a 
 dedicated User Manager box?
 
 Something like this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
 
 -Paul
 
 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
  reading to disk.  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
  RB1000.
 
  Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
  other RouterOS device, too.
 
  As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
  move just about everything.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
  I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
  install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
 
  So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There 
  is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where 
  I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
  earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the 
  RAM. Perhaps that might help...
 
  I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF 
  card instead?
 
  -Paul
 
  On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
   I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
  setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
  You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
  database like mysql.
 
  David Blood
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
  We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
  for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
  slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
  months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
  into our current customer base.
 
  I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
  just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
  on x86 hardware?
 
  Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
  to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
  -Paul
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure 
what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or an 
instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that?
 
-Paul

On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Not a bunch of CPU there ...  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
 Running on an RB1000.
 
 -Paul
 
 On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 What kind of hardware are you running this on?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
 wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an
 RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or
 two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but
realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0.
IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2
doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure 
 what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or 
 an instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that?

 -Paul

 On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Not a bunch of CPU there ...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 Running on an RB1000.

 -Paul

 On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 What kind of hardware are you running this on?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
 wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an
 RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or
 two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:04, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but
 realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0.
 IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2
 doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0.


At least for ESXi 4.0, this is wrong. IDE disks aren't available in the
create new VM wizard, but you can edit the VM afterwards and change a disk
from SCSI to IDE. My Dude installation has been running on ESXi 4 for
months.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:04 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: 
 Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but
 realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0.
 IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2
 doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0.

If you build the VM as a Windows 3.1 instance, it will give you IDE...
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller.
The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4.  Tried virtual hardware 4.  I can
add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage
related interfaces.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:04 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Not sure where VMware's latest products stand as far as disks but
 realize that RouterOS didn't support SCSI until the latest beta 5.0.
 IDE disks may still be around in VMware ESX, but I know Server 2
 doesn't nor does ESXi 3.5 or 4.0.

 If you build the VM as a Windows 3.1 instance, it will give you IDE...
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Mike Hammett
  Everything other than VoIP I currently run in VMs.  Working on radius 
- MT.

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On 7/12/2010 10:58 AM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
 We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure 
 what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or 
 an instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that?

 -Paul

 On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Not a bunch of CPU there ...

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 Running on an RB1000.

 -Paul

 On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 What kind of hardware are you running this on?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenbergerpa...@hrec.coop
 wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an
 RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or
 two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 -Paul



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:17 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: 
 Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller.
 The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4.  Tried virtual hardware 4.  I can
 add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage
 related interfaces.

As I don't have an ESXi server, I am simply going by what this guy said:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=15t=36227p=201817hilit=esxi#p201817

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:17, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller.
 The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4.  Tried virtual hardware 4.  I can
 add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage
 related interfaces.


Since VMware still installs an IDE controller by default, for the VM's
CD-ROM, the option almost certainly is there. (On my setup, you log into
vSphere, select the VM, click Edit Settings, go to the Hardware tab, click
Add, pick Hard Disk, and two or three steps in you can change it from SCSI
to IDE.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Found my issue - when making a New Virtual Machine specify Typical - NOT Custom.

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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:


 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:17, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Looking at ESXi 4.0 right now and I can not add an IDE controller.
 The oldest Windows guest OS was NT4.  Tried virtual hardware 4.  I can
 add new disks to the SCSI interface but can not add any other storage
 related interfaces.

 Since VMware still installs an IDE controller by default, for the VM's
 CD-ROM, the option almost certainly is there. (On my setup, you log into
 vSphere, select the VM, click Edit Settings, go to the Hardware tab, click
 Add, pick Hard Disk, and two or three steps in you can change it from SCSI
 to IDE.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install 
once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.

So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is 
one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm 
running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue earlier. 
I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. Perhaps 
that might help...

I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card 
instead?

-Paul

On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through 
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
 
 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.
 
 David Blood
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
reading to disk.  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
RB1000.

Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
other RouterOS device, too.

As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
move just about everything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
 install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.

 So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is 
 one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm 
 running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
 earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. 
 Perhaps that might help...

 I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card 
 instead?

 -Paul

 On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.

 David Blood


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a 
dedicated User Manager box?

Something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

-Paul

On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
 reading to disk.  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
 RB1000.
 
 Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
 other RouterOS device, too.
 
 As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
 move just about everything.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
 install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
 
 So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There 
 is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where 
 I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
 earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. 
 Perhaps that might help...
 
 I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card 
 instead?
 
 -Paul
 
 On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.
 
 David Blood
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know
that box would be an improvement over the RB anything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:

 So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a
 dedicated User Manager box?

 Something like this:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

 -Paul

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
  reading to disk.  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
  RB1000.
 
  Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
  other RouterOS device, too.
 
  As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
  move just about everything.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
 wrote:
  I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius
 install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
 
  So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues?
 There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000
 where I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an
 issue earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore
 the RAM. Perhaps that might help...
 
  I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF
 card instead?
 
  -Paul
 
  On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
   I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
  setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
  You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use
 a
  database like mysql.
 
  David Blood
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
  We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an
 RB1000
  for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
  slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a
 few
  months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
  into our current customer base.
 
  I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
  just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and
 UM
  on x86 hardware?
 
  Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or
 two
  to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
  -Paul
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
That's fantastic...please post the URL when done.

Scott

   I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.

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 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.

 David Blood


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul


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[WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our 
PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that 
we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. 
And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base.

I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not 
practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware?

Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep 
the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

-Paul



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread David
You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
database like mysql.  

David Blood


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
 
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Mike Hammett
  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through 
setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.

 David Blood


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Dennis Burgess
Don't know where you are running UM and having an issue.  WE have these
systems running at 8k customers in some cases with results coming back
within 100ms via radius.If you need to shoot us a call, we are a
WISPA vendor member, and can make some recommendations.  


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
into our current customer base.

I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
on x86 hardware?

Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

-Paul




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of hardware are you running this on?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for 
 our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down 
 now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of 
 accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current 
 customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not 
 practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to 
 keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Running on an RB1000.

-Paul

On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 What kind of hardware are you running this on?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for 
 our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down 
 now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of 
 accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current 
 customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just 
 not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 
 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to 
 keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread RickG
What if you used a second Tik box?

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.

 David Blood


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

 -Paul


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-09 Thread Dennis Burgess
Not a bunch of CPU there ...  

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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

Running on an RB1000.

-Paul

On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 What kind of hardware are you running this on?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
wrote:
 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an
RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
into our current customer base.
 
 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
on x86 hardware?
 
 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or
two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
 
 -Paul
 
 



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