[WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Processor speed is only part of the answer to the RISC, CISC battle and this type of radio design. Things flow in a logical operation and waiting occurs on the systems buses in the PC based design. Processor Cache Memory bus Memory Systems bus Ect.. Designs in the different buses or systems architectures, Bus mastering controllers, custom ASICs, as well as memory refresh strategy and ect.. all produce the end result. As you move down the list or through the system, each subsystem runs slower and slower, if you don't have custom ASIC's and have to come back to the proc for filtering and stuff like that, then you continue to tie the bus up. Most vendors provide performance charts based on minimum configuration but as you start adding thing like NAT, IP Filters and stuff like this you put more pressure on the proc and ultimately more pressure on the bus adding wait states, interrupt requests, ect, ect. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it > has the slowest processor in MHZ? > > Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series > at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. > > Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets > so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
I agree fully with these analagees, but... I was more specically asking what was better about the chip designs. I can compare the design of a Celeron4 to a Pentium4, and know exactly why the Pentium was a faster chip for some type applications. (front side Bus speed, larger level1 cache, etc) What makes the 600's PowerPC processor so good? Will it give us better Nic Throughput, or Software processing better? I'm wondering if its just better because of faster buses, or faster Processing power? I realize the RISC has a streamlined command set for faster processing, but I also thought the MIPs did to on the 532. And the Atheros is brand spanking new, and know absolutely nothing about that yet. I also heard the claims that low end new SBC were so much faster (such as StarOS's sub $75 board), and I learned it couldn't perform worth jack, compared to the full 533Mhz systems. The difference between a 4mbps speed test each way to a 15 mbps speed test each way, ( Test generated by the Radio unit.) PS. The 433AH does look very exciting. Has a streamlined chip, higher MHZ, cost effective, and one more slot! Possibly the perfect AP/SU board, customers have been waiting for from MT. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bo Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps >> Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it >> has the >> slowest processor in MHZ? >> >> Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series >> at 200 >> or 400? They did specify on their report. >> >> Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it >> gets so >> much better speed at slower Mhz? > > While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is > a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient > chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific > environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might > remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC > when Apple first moved to them. > > Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Worthy to note, in my opinion the value of the 532a was the daugherboard to allow 9 ports. Great for Industrial complex roof distribution to clients. The 600 series is the only new unit that supports the daugher card (arlge ports), and with greater than 200Mhz CPU processing to handle the processing work load for 9 clients. This is why I called the 600 the replacement for the 532a, now that the 532a is getting discontinued. It appears the 433 is the equivellent COST replacement of the 532a, because it can deliver a bit more speed.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > 1. 40 meg out of a 532, maybe with no rules, etc. . But thats pushing it! > 2. The PowerPC platform is suppose to the be the fastest, with the > lower processor in terms of MHZ. However, there are plenty of other > options, such as x86 solutions out there that will give you the speed > plus the reliability. > 3. The 433AH is another Atheros processor, and it has been giving quite > a bit better throughput, this came out after the 600. > 4. The replacement for the 532 is the 433, not the AH or the 600. The > 600 cames out as a high-performance multiple AP device, or actually > extreme performance AP in MTs words. The 433 comes just as close if > not a bit better than the 532. The 433Ah is the one with the special > processor that shoots the performance up. > > Basically MHZ don't show preformance. I remember when an AMD chip would > preform just as good as a Intel chipt at much slower speeds, why they > changed to Ahtlon 3800+ etc vs speed ratings.Same difference with > these boards. Think of it like a celeron and a Pentium chip, the > Celeron is cheap as heck, but I have never thought highly of them > compared to the same speed Pentium chip. > > -- > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > 314-735-0270 > http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >From our experience, we believe it is not possible. >> >> However, had a related question... >> >> We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full >> throughput >> of APs >> My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, >> that >> also supports the daughterboard.. >> >> (Disclaimer: rough estimates below, without specifying configurations, >> exact >> results on routerboard's website). >> >> 532a (266-400mhz MIPs)was quoted around 10-15,000 pps. >> 433AH (roughtly 700Mhz Atheros) around 30-40,000 pps. >> 600 series (200-400mhz PowerPC NetProc) was quoted around 50-60,000 pps. >> >> So its understandable the 433AH would outperform the 532. >> >> Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has >> the >> slowest processor in MHZ? >> >> Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at >> 200 >> or 400? They did specify on their report. >> >> Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so >> much better speed at slower Mhz? >> Or is it just the design of the board that accommodates GB NICs and DDR >> RAM? >> >> I just wanted to get some feedback from people on whether the 600 series >> really are faster than the 433AH boards. >> The 600s do have other advantages jsutifying their higher price, but >> thats >> not related to my question. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:14 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps >> >> >> >>> Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 >>> with >>> NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running >>> through >>> this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling >>> much >>> more than 10 through it. Have narrowed
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
If you aren't doing wireless then 40Mbps should be easily achievable. If you don't gets the expected results then kill "connection tracking" in the firewall and retest. Mac Dearman > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jason Hensley > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:33 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > > Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original > question, > what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an > answer my spam filter must have gotten it. > > NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, > no > firewalling, no routing, etc etc. Pretty basic setup. And this is NOT > wireless - using it for my in-house router. Sorry, should have > clarified > that too. > > Thanks! > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:56 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > > When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than > just > MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, > hardware > accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of > our > products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: > > -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues > per > port for QoS support > > -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues > > -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and > TCP/IP/UDP > checksum calculation > > -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of > multiple > packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP > checksum verification > > -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP > and > RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; > authentication > with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm > > All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can > perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) > can > increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. > > -Hal > Ligowave > > -Original Message- > From: Bo Ring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 > > > Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it > > has the slowest processor in MHZ? > > > > Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series > > at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. > > > > Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it > gets > > so much better speed at slower Mhz? > > While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is > a > reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient > chips and > tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If > anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers > between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to > them. > > Bo Ring > Account Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 > 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 > fax: 773.326.4641 > > > > --- > - > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > - > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
>From lots of experience, I can tell you that you are just going to have to test it with your configuration. Each version of Mikrotik is different and can radically affect performance. They make so many changes that aren't included in the changelog, you have no idea if they made a change to NAT or not. Just put PCs on either side of the 532 and run a btest through them. Try with both large and small packets and see the performance for yourself. > Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original question, > what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an > answer my spam filter must have gotten it. > > NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, no > firewalling, no routing, etc etc. Pretty basic setup. And this is NOT > wireless - using it for my in-house router. Sorry, should have clarified > that too. > > Thanks! > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:56 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > > When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just > MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware > accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our > products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: > > -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues per > port for QoS support > > -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues > > -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and > TCP/IP/UDP > checksum calculation > > -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of multiple > packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP > checksum verification > > -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and > RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication > with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm > > All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can > perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) > can > increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. > > -Hal > Ligowave > > -Original Message- > From: Bo Ring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 > >> Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it >> has the slowest processor in MHZ? >> >> Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series >> at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. >> >> Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets >> so much better speed at slower Mhz? > > While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a > reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips > and > tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If > anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers > between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to > them. > > Bo Ring > Account Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 > 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 > fax: 773.326.4641 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://li
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original question, what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an answer my spam filter must have gotten it. NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, no firewalling, no routing, etc etc. Pretty basic setup. And this is NOT wireless - using it for my in-house router. Sorry, should have clarified that too. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues per port for QoS support -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP checksum verification -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. -Hal Ligowave -Original Message- From: Bo Ring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 > Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it > has the slowest processor in MHZ? > > Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series > at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. > > Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets > so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues per port for QoS support -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP checksum verification -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. -Hal Ligowave -Original Message- From: Bo Ring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 > Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it > has the > slowest processor in MHZ? > > Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series > at 200 > or 400? They did specify on their report. > > Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it > gets so > much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
400MHz on a 600? /system routerboard settings change-frequency frequency=533MHz Maybe this will help? Jim Scottie Arnett wrote: > Not sure (I have not used anything but the 532a besides an Intel PC)...I am > just quoting "what I have heard." But it may be the 600 uses a PowerPC > processor? In the past, they(PowerPC) have been known to work better with > video, graphics, and about all speed related processor tasks comnapred to > anything else. Remember the Alpha processors? They worked MAGIC on the > Internet in their time! > > Scott > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:26:11 -0500 > > >> >From our experience, we believe it is not possible. >> >> However, had a related question... >> >> We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full throughput >> of APs >> My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, that >> also supports the daughterboard.. >> >> (Disclaimer: rough estimates below, without specifying configurations, exact >> results on routerboard's website). >> >> 532a (266-400mhz MIPs)was quoted around 10-15,000 pps. >> 433AH (roughtly 700Mhz Atheros) around 30-40,000 pps. >> 600 series (200-400mhz PowerPC NetProc) was quoted around 50-60,000 pps. >> >> So its understandable the 433AH would outperform the 532. >> >> Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the >> slowest processor in MHZ? >> >> Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 >> or 400? They did specify on their report. >> >> Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so >> much better speed at slower Mhz? >> Or is it just the design of the board that accommodates GB NICs and DDR RAM? >> >> I just wanted to get some feedback from people on whether the 600 series >> really are faster than the 433AH boards. >> The 600s do have other advantages jsutifying their higher price, but thats >> not related to my question. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:14 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps >> >> >> >>> Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 >>> with >>> NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running >>> through >>> this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling >>> much >>> more than 10 through it. Have narrowed it down to the 532 I've got as my >>> router. >>> >>> If it's not possible no problem - I have other options. If it is, then >>> any >>> suggestions as to what might be the problem? I've been through the >>> duplexing / speed possibilities already and have tested in front of, and >>> behind, the 532. Can pull what I've got (40meg give or take) without the >>> Mik but again, can only get 10 through the 532. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Not sure (I have not used anything but the 532a besides an Intel PC)...I am just quoting "what I have heard." But it may be the 600 uses a PowerPC processor? In the past, they(PowerPC) have been known to work better with video, graphics, and about all speed related processor tasks comnapred to anything else. Remember the Alpha processors? They worked MAGIC on the Internet in their time! Scott -- Original Message -- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:26:11 -0500 >>From our experience, we believe it is not possible. > >However, had a related question... > >We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full throughput >of APs >My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, that >also supports the daughterboard.. > >(Disclaimer: rough estimates below, without specifying configurations, exact >results on routerboard's website). > >532a (266-400mhz MIPs)was quoted around 10-15,000 pps. >433AH (roughtly 700Mhz Atheros) around 30-40,000 pps. >600 series (200-400mhz PowerPC NetProc) was quoted around 50-60,000 pps. > >So its understandable the 433AH would outperform the 532. > >Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the >slowest processor in MHZ? > >Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 >or 400? They did specify on their report. > >Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so >much better speed at slower Mhz? >Or is it just the design of the board that accommodates GB NICs and DDR RAM? > >I just wanted to get some feedback from people on whether the 600 series >really are faster than the 433AH boards. >The 600s do have other advantages jsutifying their higher price, but thats >not related to my question. > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:14 PM >Subject: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > > >> Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 >> with >> NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running >> through >> this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling >> much >> more than 10 through it. Have narrowed it down to the 532 I've got as my >> router. >> >> If it's not possible no problem - I have other options. If it is, then >> any >> suggestions as to what might be the problem? I've been through the >> duplexing / speed possibilities already and have tested in front of, and >> behind, the 532. Can pull what I've got (40meg give or take) without the >> Mik but again, can only get 10 through the 532. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. <> Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
1. 40 meg out of a 532, maybe with no rules, etc. . But thats pushing it! 2. The PowerPC platform is suppose to the be the fastest, with the lower processor in terms of MHZ. However, there are plenty of other options, such as x86 solutions out there that will give you the speed plus the reliability. 3. The 433AH is another Atheros processor, and it has been giving quite a bit better throughput, this came out after the 600. 4. The replacement for the 532 is the 433, not the AH or the 600. The 600 cames out as a high-performance multiple AP device, or actually extreme performance AP in MTs words. The 433 comes just as close if not a bit better than the 532. The 433Ah is the one with the special processor that shoots the performance up. Basically MHZ don't show preformance. I remember when an AMD chip would preform just as good as a Intel chipt at much slower speeds, why they changed to Ahtlon 3800+ etc vs speed ratings.Same difference with these boards. Think of it like a celeron and a Pentium chip, the Celeron is cheap as heck, but I have never thought highly of them compared to the same speed Pentium chip. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* Tom DeReggi wrote: > >From our experience, we believe it is not possible. > > However, had a related question... > > We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full throughput > of APs > My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, that > also supports the daughterboard.. > > (Disclaimer: rough estimates below, without specifying configurations, exact > results on routerboard's website). > > 532a (266-400mhz MIPs)was quoted around 10-15,000 pps. > 433AH (roughtly 700Mhz Atheros) around 30-40,000 pps. > 600 series (200-400mhz PowerPC NetProc) was quoted around 50-60,000 pps. > > So its understandable the 433AH would outperform the 532. > > Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the > slowest processor in MHZ? > > Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 > or 400? They did specify on their report. > > Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so > much better speed at slower Mhz? > Or is it just the design of the board that accommodates GB NICs and DDR RAM? > > I just wanted to get some feedback from people on whether the 600 series > really are faster than the 433AH boards. > The 600s do have other advantages jsutifying their higher price, but thats > not related to my question. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > > > >> Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 >> with >> NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running >> through >> this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling >> much >> more than 10 through it. Have narrowed it down to the 532 I've got as my >> router. >> >> If it's not possible no problem - I have other options. If it is, then >> any >> suggestions as to what might be the problem? I've been through the >> duplexing / speed possibilities already and have tested in front of, and >> behind, the 532. Can pull what I've got (40meg give or take) without the >> Mik but again, can only get 10 through the 532. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
>From our experience, we believe it is not possible. However, had a related question... We have found processing power to be a big issue to enable full throughput of APs My understanding is that the 532 is being replaced with the 600 series, that also supports the daughterboard.. (Disclaimer: rough estimates below, without specifying configurations, exact results on routerboard's website). 532a (266-400mhz MIPs)was quoted around 10-15,000 pps. 433AH (roughtly 700Mhz Atheros) around 30-40,000 pps. 600 series (200-400mhz PowerPC NetProc) was quoted around 50-60,000 pps. So its understandable the 433AH would outperform the 532. Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so much better speed at slower Mhz? Or is it just the design of the board that accommodates GB NICs and DDR RAM? I just wanted to get some feedback from people on whether the 600 series really are faster than the 433AH boards. The 600s do have other advantages jsutifying their higher price, but thats not related to my question. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps > Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 > with > NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running > through > this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling > much > more than 10 through it. Have narrowed it down to the 532 I've got as my > router. > > If it's not possible no problem - I have other options. If it is, then > any > suggestions as to what might be the problem? I've been through the > duplexing / speed possibilities already and have tested in front of, and > behind, the 532. Can pull what I've got (40meg give or take) without the > Mik but again, can only get 10 through the 532. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Hey all Mikrotik gurus. Is it possible to pull 40meg+ through an RB532 with NAT'ing (masquerade) turned on? Total of 3 in-house systems running through this one - not a lot going on with it - but I'm having trouble pulling much more than 10 through it. Have narrowed it down to the 532 I've got as my router. If it's not possible no problem - I have other options. If it is, then any suggestions as to what might be the problem? I've been through the duplexing / speed possibilities already and have tested in front of, and behind, the 532. Can pull what I've got (40meg give or take) without the Mik but again, can only get 10 through the 532. Thanks in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
