Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-28 Thread Robert West 
You da man!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Wow.   Guess the 30 or so that I have done should
have all been rejected.

Oops.

Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before hand.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message -
From: "Ralph" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
> You will be rejected if you didn't
> You can't just "get a 4.9 license".
> 





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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-28 Thread Ralph 
Are you saying you did not give the coordinates and still received licenses.
Because the radio officers of the agencies involved in my case did the same
thing and all were rejected.
I wonder what was different.
(And please spare the sarcastic comments this time!)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Wow.   Guess the 30 or so that I have done should
have all been rejected.

Oops.

Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before
hand.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
> You will be rejected if you didn't
> You can't just "get a 4.9 license".
> 





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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-28 Thread Blake Bowers 
Wow.   Guess the 30 or so that I have done should
have all been rejected.

Oops.

Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before
hand.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
> You will be rejected if you didn't
> You can't just "get a 4.9 license".
> 




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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-28 Thread Ralph 
Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
You will be rejected if you didn't
You can't just "get a 4.9 license".



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

That's what we are trying to do, put the 4.9 on their current FRN license
for 2-way radio traffic. Not quite sure what the hold up is, although I did
hear someone say up to 45-90 days for this, not particularly sure who.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has 
ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
has very little engineering information.

By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Its just basically PMP430 with half channel widths. 10mhz instead of 20mhz.
Its OFDM, has the same plastic outer shell as the 430. Far as I know the 430
series is non-MIMO and so is this stuff. The configuration screen looks very
similar to the old 100 series FSK stuff.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  I believe the 400 series is half way between the 130 and 430 in 
throughput.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/27/2010 4:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
> Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a
> deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback
> Kevin
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>
>> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff
>> Department
>> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is
>> really
>> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400.
About
>> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
>> channel.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>   Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
>> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
>> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
>> the others, too.
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
>> something
>>> for the Fire or Police department?
>>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my
>>> area
>>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of
Georgia
>>> (for their PD).
>>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it
>>> CANNOT
>>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>>
>>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be
a
>>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
>> there
>>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>>
>>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) ..
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> -Steven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
That's what we are trying to do, put the 4.9 on their current FRN license
for 2-way radio traffic. Not quite sure what the hold up is, although I did
hear someone say up to 45-90 days for this, not particularly sure who.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has 
ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
has very little engineering information.

By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread RickG 
Get your local congressman to put a little pressure on the FCC. It worked
for me a few years back.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
> > So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
> > for the Fire or Police department?
> > The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my
> area
> > on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
> > (for their PD).
> > It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it
> CANNOT
> > be used for regular ISP stuff.
> >
> > That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
> > lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
> > about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
> > (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
> >
> > My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> > We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> > would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> > know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> > soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> > this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> > Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> > tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> > maybe legal advice, etc.
> >
> > I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) ..
> thanks.
> >
> > -Steven
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
> > 
> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Blake Bowers 
Yes, and No.

for primary status you must file each location, but hardly anyone does that. 
It
is totally legal just to apply for a geographical license.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of
> the link.
> What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that.
> The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have 
> to
> have someone go on line and check each day.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Ralph 
Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of
the link.
What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that.
The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have to
have someone go on line and check each day.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department
for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really
slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
$1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
channel.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I 
just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, 
etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and 
the others, too.


On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
something
> for the Fire or Police department?
> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
> (for their PD).
> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>
> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
there
> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>
> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>Hey guys,
>
> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> maybe legal advice, etc.
>
> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>
> -Steven
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Mike Hammett 
  I believe the 400 series is half way between the 130 and 430 in 
throughput.

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On 8/27/2010 4:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
> Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a
> deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback
> Kevin
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser"
> To: "'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>
>> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff
>> Department
>> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is
>> really
>> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
>> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
>> channel.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>   Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
>> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
>> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
>> the others, too.
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
>> something
>>> for the Fire or Police department?
>>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my
>>> area
>>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>>> (for their PD).
>>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it
>>> CANNOT
>>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>>
>>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
>> there
>>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>>
>>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) ..
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> -Steven
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Mike Hammett 
  I'm new to MT MPLS, but I think MPLS TE could arrange that.

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On 8/27/2010 5:54 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 8/27/2010 05:19 PM, you wrote:
>> Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has
>> ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
>> has very little engineering information.
>>
>> By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.
> Are WISPs here providing backhaul for their local 4.9 GHz licensee
> using the same ISP backbone that carries commercial traffic, isolated
> backhaul frequencies on the 4.9 band, or a VPN on the ISP backhaul 
> frequencies?
>
> It seems to me that a "Carrier Ethernet" class backhaul network, with
> some CIR per layer 2 virtual circuit, would provide the PS users with
> some assurance of capacity.  But I don't know if it can be
> provisioned in any of the low-cost router OSs.  Sure would be nice.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Fred Goldstein 
At 8/27/2010 05:19 PM, you wrote:
>Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has
>ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
>has very little engineering information.
>
>By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.

Are WISPs here providing backhaul for their local 4.9 GHz licensee 
using the same ISP backbone that carries commercial traffic, isolated 
backhaul frequencies on the 4.9 band, or a VPN on the ISP backhaul frequencies?

It seems to me that a "Carrier Ethernet" class backhaul network, with 
some CIR per layer 2 virtual circuit, would provide the PS users with 
some assurance of capacity.  But I don't know if it can be 
provisioned in any of the low-cost router OSs.  Sure would be nice.

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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Kevin Sullivan 
Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a 
deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback
Kevin
- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Blake Bowers 
Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has 
ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
has very little engineering information.

By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


> We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
> Department
> for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
> really
> slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
> $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
> channel.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
> just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
> etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
> the others, too.
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
>> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
> something
>> for the Fire or Police department?
>> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
>> area
>> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
>> (for their PD).
>> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
>> CANNOT
>> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>>
>> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
>> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
>> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
> there
>> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
>> thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department
for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really
slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
$1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
channel.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I 
just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, 
etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and 
the others, too.


On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
something
> for the Fire or Police department?
> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
> (for their PD).
> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>
> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
there
> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>
> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>Hey guys,
>
> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> maybe legal advice, etc.
>
> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>
> -Steven
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Steven McGehee 
  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I 
just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, 
etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and 
the others, too.


On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
> So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something
> for the Fire or Police department?
> The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
> on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
> (for their PD).
> It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
> be used for regular ISP stuff.
>
> That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
> lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
> about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there
> (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.
>
> My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven McGehee
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
>
>Hey guys,
>
> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> maybe legal advice, etc.
>
> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>
> -Steven
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Steven McGehee 
  Got it, we are just looking to do with other WISPs do, assist local 
government with 4.9 deployment for its intended uses.


On 8/26/2010 22:18, Jack Unger wrote:
>Remember, no commercial WISP traffic allowed on 4.9.
>
> On 8/26/2010 6:29 PM, Steven McGehee wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
>> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
>> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
>> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
>> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
>> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
>> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
>> maybe legal advice, etc.
>>
>> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>>
>> -Steven
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread KosiNet Wireless 
We've done most of the city of Mansfield, Ohio using Firetide Mesh radios. 
Rock Solid system. You're welcome to contact me about what we're doing with 
it.

As far as pricing - My experience has been, if you offer it too cheap to a 
municipality (Government people..) they assume it's not good, and won't even 
consider you. I've seen some of the idiots in my city pay $125 an hour for a 
"Consultant" to tell them the same thing that I said for free... (I no 
longer give them free advice.)

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Steven McGehee" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:29 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


>  Hey guys,
>
> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> maybe legal advice, etc.
>
> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>
> -Steven
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Ralph 
So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something
for the Fire or Police department?
The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
(for their PD).
It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
be used for regular ISP stuff.

That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there
(don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.

My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Hey guys,

We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I 
would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may 
know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting 
soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get 
this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. 
Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or 
tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, 
maybe legal advice, etc.

I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.

-Steven




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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Jack Unger 
  Remember, no commercial WISP traffic allowed on 4.9.

On 8/26/2010 6:29 PM, Steven McGehee wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
> We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
> would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
> know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
> soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
> this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
> Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
> tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
> maybe legal advice, etc.
>
> I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.
>
> -Steven
>
>
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[WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Steven McGehee 
  Hey guys,

We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I 
would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may 
know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting 
soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get 
this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. 
Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or 
tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, 
maybe legal advice, etc.

I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.

-Steven



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