Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I just found this in an article. It points out a couple other events that cause high trafficOne of them coming up in March Brian "According to the Silicon Alley Insider based on data from Akamai the early numbers for the inauguration among news web sites was that they saw 5.4 million visitors per minute. Peak total visitors per minute were 5.4 million, making it one of the top five events ever, trailing both the 2008 presidential election (#1 with 8.572 million visitors per minute at peak traffic) as well as the first day of the NCAA college basketball tournament last March (#3 with 7.01 million visitors/minute )." David E. Smith wrote: Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Hi, I just bought some today for one of our bigger tower sites. We will install four of these connected to an APC SmartUps 1400 and will probably get 30+ hours of uptime (this site has multiple switches, routers, point to point links, licensed links, rebooter and over 10 AP's). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=250316783682 The real killer is the shipping. These things each weigh about 110 pounds (and they don't have any handles). But they are very nice batteries. We have about 44 of them installed at our bigger tower sites. Travis Microserv Leroy wrote: Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon ----- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Don't you have battery back ups? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again due to all of the power outages. marlon - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
AGM cells 105 ah with APC SmartUPS XL units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leroy Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> d
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=UXBP24 says Battery Volt-Amp-Hour Capacity is 3360 (divide by 24?) On Jan 21, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Do you know how many AmpHours (Ah) the APC XL Ultra Battery > pack is spec'd > at? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Yep, thats a good solution for 300w load. But we are looking for handling much larger loads. We use the C&D 150AH 12V batteries, which are about $330 each, which we usually stack 4 in series for 48V. In theory our PC routers don't draw much current, for average basic operation, but they are powerful boxes that are spec'd with High watt power supplies. (QUAD CPU). So 500W power supplies each. Feasibly, we could imagine two of these PC routers. If we had different routing policies or wanted redundancy. Then if we add 4 or 5 Licensed Links, the Wattage grows significantly on these units compared to low power unlicensed radios.(forget exactly how much). Then another 10 or so unlicensed, but they'll only draw about 10 watts. Then add a GB switch or two (100watts each). We really want to handle atleast 2000watts per unit, and then want minimum of 12 hour run-time. Do you know how many AmpHours (Ah) the APC XL Ultra Battery pack is spec'd at? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "can...@believewireless.net" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Here's what we just started using: > APC Smart-UPS 1000 XL - $500 > APC XL Ultra Battery Pack 24V - UXBP24 - $500 > APC Management Card - $200 > > The downside to this is that it isn't a rackmount solution. The external > battery pack is BIG as it houses four "car" battery-sized batteries. > These > are chainable too which is nice. > > Based on a 300W load, here is the uptime you'll see with the battery > packs: > > SUA1000XL + (1)UXBP2411 hrs 57 minsSUA1000XL + (2)UXBP2424 hrs 31 > minsSUA1000XL > + (3)UXBP2435 hrs 43 minsSUA1000XL + (4)UXBP2446 hrs 55 mins > > So, for $1,200 you'll get a UPS w/monitoring and nearly 12 hours of > uptime. > Drop in > another UXBP24 for every additional 12 hours of uptime you need. > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: > >> Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging >> circuit >> (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the >> type >> of battery. >> This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid >> batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or >> the >> other type (VLRA?). >> >> One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high >> VA, >> was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. >> I >> preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have >> different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the >> models >> that did support 48V. >> >> Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. >> >> Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course >> they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over >> priced >> by a factor of 6X minimum. >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "jp" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so >> > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by >> > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the >> > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the >> > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U >> > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in >> > the >> > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery >> > pack. >> > >> > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter >> > with >> > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, >> > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently >> reliable. >> > >> > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the >> > 750 >> > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly >> > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means >> > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Here's what we just started using: APC Smart-UPS 1000 XL - $500 APC XL Ultra Battery Pack 24V - UXBP24 - $500 APC Management Card - $200 The downside to this is that it isn't a rackmount solution. The external battery pack is BIG as it houses four "car" battery-sized batteries. These are chainable too which is nice. Based on a 300W load, here is the uptime you'll see with the battery packs: SUA1000XL + (1)UXBP2411 hrs 57 minsSUA1000XL + (2)UXBP2424 hrs 31 minsSUA1000XL + (3)UXBP2435 hrs 43 minsSUA1000XL + (4)UXBP2446 hrs 55 mins So, for $1,200 you'll get a UPS w/monitoring and nearly 12 hours of uptime. Drop in another UXBP24 for every additional 12 hours of uptime you need. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging > circuit > (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the type > of battery. > This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid > batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or the > other type (VLRA?). > > One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high VA, > was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. I > preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have > different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the models > that did support 48V. > > Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. > > Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course > they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over priced > by a factor of 6X minimum. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "jp" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so > > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by > > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the > > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the > > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U > > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the > > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery > > pack. > > > > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with > > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, > > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently > reliable. > > > > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 > > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly > > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means > > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and > >> instead > >> hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers > >> won't > >> hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine > >> battery > >> instead of a little exit light battery > >> > >> Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "jp" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >> >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > >> > > >> > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > >> > with these. > >> > > >> > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > >> > > >> > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > >> > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > >> > > >> > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > >> > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > >> > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K.
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Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging circuit (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the type of battery. This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or the other type (VLRA?). One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high VA, was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. I preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the models that did support 48V. Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over priced by a factor of 6X minimum. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery > pack. > > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently reliable. > > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and >> instead >> hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers >> won't >> hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine >> battery >> instead of a little exit light battery >> >> Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "jp" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. >> > >> > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours >> > with these. >> > >> > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. >> > >> > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for >> > places where it's impractical to take a generator. >> > >> > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen >> > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and >> > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out >> >> by >> >> a >> >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> >> It's >> >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> >> many >> >> generators. >> >> >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> >> more >> >> than I have! grin >> >> >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell >> >> phone >> >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> >> place >> >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help
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We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery pack. That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently reliable. The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead > hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't > hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery > instead of a little exit light battery > > Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "jp" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > > with these. > > > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. > >> > >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > >> > >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by > >> a > >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. > >> It's > >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > >> > >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that > >> many > >> generators. > >> > >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down > >> more > >> than I have! grin > >> > >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > >> place > >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot > >> more > >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > >> > >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how > >> long > >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > >> > >> laters, > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "George Rogato" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >> > Don't you have battery back ups? > >> > > >> > > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> >> again > >> >> due to all of the power outages. > >> >> marlon > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing > >> >
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Use the APC Smart-UPS XL series. They have an external battery connector and a charger designed to handle large external battery banks. You can also update the configuration value for the capacity of the external battery packs so that the UPS runtime calculation (for SNMP/email alerts) is correct. The external connector is a standard anderson DC power connector. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: > Mark, > >> APC SU700NET UPS > > We currenly have been using Triplite inverters that do about 3500watt with > 48V battery chains, for years. They work great, but all these units put out > pulse modulated wave (modified sine wave) and do not provide smart remote > monitoring via SNMP or WEB cards. As you know, if doing modified sine wave, > you can not put after it another smart UPS, as it would detect the > Pulse-modulated wave as a corrupt signal, noise, or disrupted power, > triggering frequent switching to battery of the second inline UPS. Where > this was an issue was if we served a rack, and one of our colocated clients, > wanted to insert a small smart UPS to to monitor their power, and prevent > against any mainteance outages that we might have with our battery testing > or replacements. > > We were thinking of using a small 1U smart UPS, and removing the batteries, > and installing to extermnal only batteries, as you suggested that you had > done. > > However, there are concerns on whether these smaller units have adequate > charging circuits to handle larger load of long run time battery chains. > For racks, pbviously a high enough wattage/VA unit would be needed. > > Have you run into any limits of how many batteries you can connect, before > overloading its charging circuits? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the >> internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on >> what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. >> We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We >> were >> having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner >> (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're >> looking >> into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card >> notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some >> action. >> >> Mark Nash >> UnwiredWest >> 78 Centennial Loop >> Suite E >> Eugene, OR 97401 >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> http://www.unwiredwest.com >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. >>> It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing >>> over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every >>> power outage last for 10 hours. >>> Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights >>> flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some >>> wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. >>> >>> Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook >>> them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. >>> I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I >>> have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 >> hours. >>> George >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >>>> >>>> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >>>> >>>> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out >>>> by >> a >>>> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >>>> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >>>> >>>> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> ma
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Mark, > APC SU700NET UPS We currenly have been using Triplite inverters that do about 3500watt with 48V battery chains, for years. They work great, but all these units put out pulse modulated wave (modified sine wave) and do not provide smart remote monitoring via SNMP or WEB cards. As you know, if doing modified sine wave, you can not put after it another smart UPS, as it would detect the Pulse-modulated wave as a corrupt signal, noise, or disrupted power, triggering frequent switching to battery of the second inline UPS. Where this was an issue was if we served a rack, and one of our colocated clients, wanted to insert a small smart UPS to to monitor their power, and prevent against any mainteance outages that we might have with our battery testing or replacements. We were thinking of using a small 1U smart UPS, and removing the batteries, and installing to extermnal only batteries, as you suggested that you had done. However, there are concerns on whether these smaller units have adequate charging circuits to handle larger load of long run time battery chains. For racks, pbviously a high enough wattage/VA unit would be needed. Have you run into any limits of how many batteries you can connect, before overloading its charging circuits? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the > internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on > what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. > We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We > were > having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner > (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're > looking > into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card > notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some > action. > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.unwiredwest.com > - Original Message ----- > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. >> It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing >> over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every >> power outage last for 10 hours. >> Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights >> flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some >> wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. >> >> Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook >> them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. >> I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I >> have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 > hours. >> >> George >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> > Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> > >> > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> > >> > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out >> > by > a >> > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. > It's >> > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> > >> > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that > many >> > generators. >> > >> > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down > more >> > than I have! grin >> > >> > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > place >> > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot > more >> > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> > >> > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how > long >> > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> > >> > laters, >> > marlon >> > >> > - Original Message ----- >> > From: "George Rogato" >> > To: "WISPA G
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I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >>> >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >>> >> >>> David Smith >> >>> MVN.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >
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Yeah, those are cool. Inverters have a high price power wise though. I do a free hotspot for a large desert race every year. With an inverter I can run the system for about a day, maybe a little more, on a good marine battery. When I run direct to the devices with 12vdc I can run an easy 2 days on the same battery. I just found a cool device from Inscape Data. They have a 5 power poe switch that will also auto boot. You can set each port to 12, 24 or 48 volt! No poe units, no power bricks, no lighting arrestors etc. All of that is in one box. I'm still trying to find out if it'll run off of 12 or 24vdc instead of 110ac. At $600 per unit it's a bit spendy but I'd get rid of the ups units, lightning arrestors, switch and whatnot at the towers. I might look into this for a couple of the bigger/more important sites. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > You could use a real inverter which has a higher capacity charger > built in (much faster recovery time). Another advantage of an inverter > is the batteries are sold separately so you can size them accordingly. > You could have much longer run time on the batteries. Though having > lead acid batteries on site might be an issue and large gelled cell > batteries are expensive. Maybe it wouldn't be cost effective to use > such a system for the rare power outage. > > This little unit delivers 1000 watts continuous (3000 watts surge) and > has a 50 amp battery charger. > http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/55/p/1/pt/9/product.asp > > Greg > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts >> and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come >> into play. >> >> On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: >>> Don't you have battery back ups? >>> >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are >>>> offline again >>>> >>>> due to all of the power outages. >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>>> >>>> >>>>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually >>>>> seeing close >>>>> to >>>>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>>>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>>>> >>>>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having >>>>> any >>>>> issues >>>>> yet. >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>>>> >>>>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic >>>>> from people >>>>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>>>> basically >>>>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>>>> >>>>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>>>> >>>>> David Smith >>>>> MVN.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --
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Hello, We do the same thing. Some with 1 battery and other with 4. No more generators!! We had our fun with them a few years back. Had 7 of them running our towers. Got great praise from our customers for keep them network running for 4 days in ice, but killed us filling up gas cans all the time. No site was down for more then 24, but we had sites going down all over the place for 4 days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > ----- Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We were having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're looking into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some action. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. > It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing > over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every > power outage last for 10 hours. > Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights > flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some > wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. > > Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook > them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. > I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I > have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 hours. > > George > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > > generators. > > > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > > than I have! grin > > > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "George Rogato" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > > >> Don't you have battery back ups? > >> > >> > >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >>> again > >>> due to all of the power outages. > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> > >>>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > >>>> to > >>>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>>> > >>>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>>> issues > >>>> yet. > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>>> > >>>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>>> people > >>>&
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every power outage last for 10 hours. Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 hours. George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message ----- > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >>> again >>> due to all of the power outages. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> >>>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >>>> to >>>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>>> >>>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >>>> issues >>>> yet. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>>> >>>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >>>> people >>>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>>> basically >>>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>>> >>>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>>> >>>> David Smith >>>> MVN.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wi
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message ----- > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> >
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
You could use a real inverter which has a higher capacity charger built in (much faster recovery time). Another advantage of an inverter is the batteries are sold separately so you can size them accordingly. You could have much longer run time on the batteries. Though having lead acid batteries on site might be an issue and large gelled cell batteries are expensive. Maybe it wouldn't be cost effective to use such a system for the rare power outage. This little unit delivers 1000 watts continuous (3000 watts surge) and has a 50 amp battery charger. http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/55/p/1/pt/9/product.asp Greg On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts > and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come > into play. > > On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: >> Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are >>> offline again >>> >>> due to all of the power outages. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> >>>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually >>>> seeing close >>>> to >>>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>>> >>>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having >>>> any >>>> issues >>>> yet. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>>> >>>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic >>>> from people >>>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>>> basically >>>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>>> >>>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>>> >>>> David Smith >>>> MVN.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
The last peak was around noon yesterday, give or take a couple of hours. Not the biggest peak but obviously higher then average! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing > close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> again >> due to all of the power outages. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >>> to >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >>> issues >>> yet. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >>> people >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>> basically >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come into play. On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >>> to >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >>> issues >>> yet. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>> basically >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Don't you have battery back ups? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again > due to all of the power outages. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Eric Tykwinski" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >> to >> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> issues >> yet. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people >> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> basically >> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again due to all of the power outages. marlon - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > to > triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > issues > yet. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people > streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > basically > double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Tom, Please write up a press release about this and I will place it on the webpage. Good Job! Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Well some of the sites generating the video, aren't having any problems with congestion. Its because they chose small local companies to design solutions that bypassed the congestion of traditional carriers. For example, RapidDSL&Wireless with the help of state of the art wireless radio solutions provided by Trango Broadband and Dragonwave, provided a large portion of the video sreaming and transport over wireless broadband (for major TV networks) covering the inauguration at the Capitol, and other various venues. I'm sure there is congestion at the Web Hosts, relaying/distributing the content to the millions of end user viewers. But that is a different problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > to > triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > issues > yet. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people > streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > basically > double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1904 - Release Date: > 1/20/2009 7:49 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Well some of the sites generating the video, aren't having any problems with congestion. Its because they chose small local companies to design solutions that bypassed the congestion of traditional carriers. For example, RapidDSL&Wireless with the help of state of the art wireless radio solutions provided by Trango Broadband and Dragonwave, provided a large portion of the video sreaming and transport over wireless broadband (for major TV networks) covering the inauguration at the Capitol, and other various venues. I'm sure there is congestion at the Web Hosts, relaying/distributing the content to the millions of end user viewers. But that is a different problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > to > triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > issues > yet. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people > streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > basically > double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1904 - Release Date: > 1/20/2009 7:49 AM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
John Valenti wrote: > I think Hulu (at least) was having problems. We had a viewing party > in our conference room. I had ABC over-the-air on the projector, but > kept a computer streaming Hulu on backup. It seemed to be > consistently about a minute behind the live broadcast. On election night, I had intermittent problems with my cable TV, and did the same sort of thing - the streams were usually 30-45 seconds behind live TV. I figured that was common. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I think Hulu (at least) was having problems. We had a viewing party in our conference room. I had ABC over-the-air on the projector, but kept a computer streaming Hulu on backup. It seemed to be consistently about a minute behind the live broadcast. A few seconds delay seems reasonable to me, but the Hulu delay was pretty bad. It was from FOX coverage. -John On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote: > ... > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having > any issues > yet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
cross-posting from outages list: http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/nui/news/index.html Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com David E. Smith wrote: > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is > pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... That's where I stole the idea for this email from :) NANOG tends to be bigger operators, and I thought this might be a fun topic here as well; many WISPs are, relatively speaking, shoestring operations. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues yet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
