Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
On 11/20/2013 06:26 PM, ralph wrote: > Didn't we go through this with them already though. > Lacks some important feature I can't remember. > Maybe it was multiple, different payment plans for multiple different > hotspots or something else. > Perhaps it was not having MAC authentication for browserless devices that > tied back to the user's main account and aggregated their bandwidth to not > go over an allocated speed. > > I just can't remember. I don't recall what you may have been missing in the GateSpot software. I can't think of anything that wireless orbit can do that it can't. I can think of several things GateSpot can do that Wireless Orbit cannot. It was just a suggestion. You can call them or not. I don't earn anything from it either way. :-) -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Finally! Someone who understands what I am talking about. We have been treating our entire WISP network as a giant hotspot since 2005 or 2006. Doing it this way relieves us of having to bill people. They pay with their card in advance after their interval has expired. Depending on the location it could be 1 hour 1 day 3 days 1 week 1 month 3 months 1 year To try to do that manually would be a nightmare, not to mention still having to process charges, checks, beads, wampum, or whatever else. On our muni mesh networks we give the City a commission already. Same for our marinas. Someone on another list suggested hotspotsystems.com and implied that it would be a great solution. All they want is 25% of my company's GROSS income. No thank you. Wireless Orbit fits the bill pretty well. Has a few features missing that I would like. I have the opportunity to buy the thing and run it myself, and after some of the other solutions I see people trying to sell out there, it is tempting. It would be interesting to see where Billmax is with their solution as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schoolfield Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Sorry to jump in on this thread. Someone else called it to my attention and thought we might have something to say about it. To those that have suggested that "why not roll your own"; Yes this can be done but there are lots of pieces to the puzzle to fit together and if is not your core competency or your haven't the time then a operator may be better off farming out this part of their business to someone with a canned solution. We are fairly familiar with the issues involved as we are just rolling out some sites just as you described. Ie. Using hotspots as a means to control access for subscribers as well as use for their traditional purpose. If you roll your own you will need at a minimum: routers that includes Hotspot functionality, radius, radius hooks to control timeouts, integration with a billing system and payment processor, customer portal, and support for vouchers or prepaid cards. Our solution and those of some our competitors include these components. Traditional hotspot systems don't really do long-lived subscriber management well if at all. Some one mentioned MAC auth; the Mikrotik hotspot does this. It is essential for using a hotspot as a controller for your subscribers as login is transparent and non intrusive. Regards, Bill Schoolfield BillMax Billing Solutions On 11/20/2013 6:26 PM, ralph wrote: > Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge > you per user and take a cut. > > That isn't what W.O. did or what we want, either. > > I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests, > bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account. I also > do not mind BUYING a system to host in my data center. > > I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won't be > writing a system. > > We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan > that just used scripts to modify router ACLs. > > W.O. was way ahead of that. > > These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way > the majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless > network, towers, mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot. > > Are you interested in doing it? > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new > portal provider > > You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a > website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? > Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you > write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it > completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. > > Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and > maintain it... > > Scott Carullo > Technical Operations > 855-FLSPEED x102 > > Image removed by sender. > > -------------- > -- > > *From*: "ralph" > *Sent*: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM > *To*: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new > portal provider > > I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I > have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Sorry to jump in on this thread. Someone else called it to my attention and thought we might have something to say about it. To those that have suggested that "why not roll your own"; Yes this can be done but there are lots of pieces to the puzzle to fit together and if is not your core competency or your haven't the time then a operator may be better off farming out this part of their business to someone with a canned solution. We are fairly familiar with the issues involved as we are just rolling out some sites just as you described. Ie. Using hotspots as a means to control access for subscribers as well as use for their traditional purpose. If you roll your own you will need at a minimum: routers that includes Hotspot functionality, radius, radius hooks to control timeouts, integration with a billing system and payment processor, customer portal, and support for vouchers or prepaid cards. Our solution and those of some our competitors include these components. Traditional hotspot systems don't really do long-lived subscriber management well if at all. Some one mentioned MAC auth; the Mikrotik hotspot does this. It is essential for using a hotspot as a controller for your subscribers as login is transparent and non intrusive. Regards, Bill Schoolfield BillMax Billing Solutions On 11/20/2013 6:26 PM, ralph wrote: > Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge > you per user and take a cut. > > That isn’t what W.O. did or what we want, either. > > I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests, > bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account. I also do > not mind BUYING a system to host in my data center. > > I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won’t be > writing a system. > > We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan > that just used scripts to modify router ACLs. > > W.O. was way ahead of that. > > These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way > the majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless network, > towers, mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot. > > Are you interested in doing it? > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a > website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use > mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the > code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and > can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. > > Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and > maintain it... > > Scott Carullo > Technical Operations > 855-FLSPEED x102 > > Image removed by sender. > > -------- > > *From*: "ralph" > *Sent*: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM > *To*: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I > have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them > there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as > well as to set up the system in my data center. > > There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about > acquiring the business. > > We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM > version to run the system for $1000.00. > > Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. > > Ralph > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *John Scrivner > *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do > you have contact information for them? > > John Scrivner > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org>> wrote: > > We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and > payments for > years. > Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. > > Who is using something they can recommend? > > Requirements: > > Work with Mikrotik hotspot. > Handles multiple locations, all different with dif
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge you per user and take a cut. That isn't what W.O. did or what we want, either. I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests, bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account. I also do not mind BUYING a system to host in my data center. I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won't be writing a system. We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan that just used scripts to modify router ACLs. W.O. was way ahead of that. These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way the majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless network, towers, mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot. Are you interested in doing it? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 _ From: "ralph" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I wasn't given a reason. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Can you share why Wireless Orbit is shutting down? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM, ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > wrote: I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Didn't we go through this with them already though. Lacks some important feature I can't remember. Maybe it was multiple, different payment plans for multiple different hotspots or something else. Perhaps it was not having MAC authentication for browserless devices that tied back to the user's main account and aggregated their bandwidth to not go over an allocated speed. I just can't remember. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:21 AM To: wireless@wispa.org; Eje Gustaffson Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider On 11/19/2013 05:42 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a > website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? > Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you > write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it > completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. > > Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and > maintain it... WISP-Router has a system for this purpose, too. Just runs on a linux server and handles both authentication and signup. Supports multiple payment backends. PLUS, WISP-Router is a vendor member of WISPA. The system is called Gatespot and can be found here: http://store.wisp-router.com/GateSpot I'm not sure, but he may have a hosted service as well. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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On 11/20/2013 08:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > From what I know of Wireless Orbit (admittedly very little), it does > what hotspot + WISPMon would do. Not sure about WISPMon capabilities here, but these types of software are ALL the same capabilities as a "minimum requirement". 1. They provide a "landing page" for a new user to create a login/pass and process their payment for access 2. This information must be sent to the RADIUS server that allows the login to happen. (after payment is processed of course). 3. The page should either automatically log them in or send them back to the login page. Beyond those basic functions, which should be a minimum in each of them, there are other possible "add-ons" that make one better than the other. There are a number of options out there and you can pick which one best suits the needs of the network. For me, I like gatespot because it supports a number of useful features: 1. Unique landing page per hotspot (if you want) 2. Flexible in what type of information you collect from each customer 3. Runs on the same box as RADIUS server 4. Management for each hotspot There are other "add-on" features that I like, but these are the most useful for me personally. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
>From what I know of Wireless Orbit (admittedly very little), it does what >hotspot + WISPMon would do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: sc...@brevardwireless.com Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:53:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider If I could code it, I would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 19, 2013 6:42 PM, "Scott Carullo" < sc...@brevardwireless.com > wrote: You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 >From : "ralph" < ralphli...@bsrg.org > Sent : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To : j...@mvn.net , "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Subject : Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph < ralphli...@bsrg.org > wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I never understood what the affection was with Wireless Orbit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Carullo" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:42:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 >From : "ralph" Sent : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To : j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" Subject : Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph < ralphli...@bsrg.org > wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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On 11/19/2013 05:42 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a > website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use > mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the > code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and > can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. > > Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and > maintain it... WISP-Router has a system for this purpose, too. Just runs on a linux server and handles both authentication and signup. Supports multiple payment backends. PLUS, WISP-Router is a vendor member of WISPA. The system is called Gatespot and can be found here: http://store.wisp-router.com/GateSpot I'm not sure, but he may have a hosted service as well. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Pfsense 2.0 it later can do captive portal good easy & free why pay somone? — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > If I could code it, I would. > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Nov 19, 2013 6:42 PM, "Scott Carullo" wrote: >> You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a >> website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use >> mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the >> code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and >> can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. >> >> Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and >> maintain it... >> >> Scott Carullo >> Technical Operations >> 855-FLSPEED x102 >> >> >> >> -- >> *From*: "ralph" >> *Sent*: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM >> *To*: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" >> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal >> provider >> >> I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have >> been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last >> week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up >> the system in my data center. >> >> >> >> There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about >> acquiring the business. >> >> >> >> We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM >> version to run the system for $1000.00. >> >> Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. >> >> >> >> Ralph >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *John Scrivner >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal >> provider >> >> >> >> Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do >> you have contact information for them? >> >> John Scrivner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: >> >> We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for >> years. >> Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. >> >> Who is using something they can recommend? >> >> Requirements: >> >> Work with Mikrotik hotspot. >> Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, >> login pages, etc. >> Handles various payment plans and time limits. >> Supports Authorize.net >> Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. >> >> Nice to haves: >> Can support auto login by MAC >> Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. >> Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If >> limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use >> all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) >> >> MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals >> Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take >> custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ralph >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
If I could code it, I would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 19, 2013 6:42 PM, "Scott Carullo" wrote: > You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a > website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use > mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the > code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and > can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. > > Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and > maintain it... > > Scott Carullo > Technical Operations > 855-FLSPEED x102 > > > > -- > *From*: "ralph" > *Sent*: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM > *To*: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have > been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last > week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up > the system in my data center. > > > > There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about > acquiring the business. > > > > We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM > version to run the system for $1000.00. > > Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. > > > > Ralph > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *John Scrivner > *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > > > Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do > you have contact information for them? > > John Scrivner > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: > > We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for > years. > Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. > > Who is using something they can recommend? > > Requirements: > > Work with Mikrotik hotspot. > Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, > login pages, etc. > Handles various payment plans and time limits. > Supports Authorize.net > Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. > > Nice to haves: > Can support auto login by MAC > Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. > Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If > limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use > all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) > > MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals > Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take > custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. > > Thanks > > Ralph > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: "ralph" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To: j...@mvn.net, "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Can you share why Wireless Orbit is shutting down? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM, ralph wrote: > I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have > been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last > week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up > the system in my data center. > > > > There’s at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about > acquiring the business. > > > > We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM > version to run the system for $1000.00. > > Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. > > > > Ralph > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *John Scrivner > *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal > provider > > > > Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do > you have contact information for them? > > John Scrivner > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: > > We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for > years. > Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. > > Who is using something they can recommend? > > Requirements: > > Work with Mikrotik hotspot. > Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, > login pages, etc. > Handles various payment plans and time limits. > Supports Authorize.net > Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. > > Nice to haves: > Can support auto login by MAC > Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. > Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If > limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use > all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) > > MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals > Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take > custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. > > Thanks > > Ralph > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There’s at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I have come across this, www.gotwifi.com and it seems to be similar to wireless orbit. They are located somewhere near Birmingham, Alabama. I do not know a lot about this company. It looks like their parent company is www.gk2inc.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph wrote: > We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for > years. > Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. > > Who is using something they can recommend? > > Requirements: > > Work with Mikrotik hotspot. > Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, > login pages, etc. > Handles various payment plans and time limits. > Supports Authorize.net > Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. > > Nice to haves: > Can support auto login by MAC > Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. > Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If > limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use > all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) > > MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals > Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take > custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. > > Thanks > > Ralph > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
