Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates
They need WSUS installed on their site http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx John Thomas Scottie Arnett wrote: > ...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion on > a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites such as > myspace, yahoo, and many others...not saying that it happens often. I host > about 50 websites on a 3 meg connection for myself and others, and in 8 years > have NEVER heard a single complaint from my webhosters. A 10 meg download > from Chuck's customer to my web server will NEVER be realized. As Chuck says, > the bandwidth test is on a server that the customer directly connects to > across their wireless link, which is a true bandwidth check to that point. > The truth is in the advertising...If he says you will get 10 meg to any place > at any time, he might get busted for false adv. Not sure how he does it, but > if it is worded right, he will get many more customers and no > complaints...just cause of burstiness of web surfing. > > On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for > windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the > inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like > Service Pack 3...? > > Scott > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:06:15 -0600 > > >> Bigger number in the advertising and on your website gets the customer. >> We are truthful. The truth is, you will most likely see 10.2 Mbps any >> random time you choose to do a speed test. >> You will also get wide open throttle most of the time you are clicking >> around web sites and checking your email. >> DSL cannot do this. Most Comcast accounts cannot do this. Because we can >> do this, we get and keep customers. >> - Original Message - >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> Again, I have to say, "up to 8Mbps" is completely different than selling a >> true "8Mbps". I can sell an "up to 8Mbps" service using 802.11b equipment >> too. >> >> Maybe I'll start selling an "up to 100Mbps" service for the same price as >> all my other packages... ;) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues. Nearly all our >> customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less >> than a -76, they get full speed. Rarely do we have two customers doing full >> speed at the same time on the same sector. (Most we have on a sector is 50) >> Maybe we are luckier than most >> The main problem on Advantage (as well as other systems) is upload. >> However, Canopy QoS is good and even saturated links don't affect VoIP >> quality. We sell a small business 8/2 package and when you see one of them >> soaking upload for long periods and a couple customers running outbound P2P, >> you start to worry a little but we haven't had any complaints due to >> capacity. >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> Chuck, >> >> Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps is >> possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short range >> customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by the >> farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to be >> pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful capacity >> of >> the Radio. Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago >> originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in one >> direction when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote >> higher >> speeds to business symetrical customers. >> >> Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage >> series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to upload, >> sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client, in that >> scenario. Provided that the WISP was fine with all other customers being >> 100% STARVED at the time the one customer was monopolizing the peak >> capacity. >> We tried that once, and it was a big mistake because it caused latency to >> sky rocket for all the other customers when they first attempted to use >> capacity, and the feel of the circuit because very bursty feeling. The >> short >> pauses made it feel like something was wrong with the circuit. TCP could >> not >> deal with it properly, it needs time to tune. Because of TCP's reaction, >> it >> actually translated to a slower experience than if we just gave customers >> half the speed. So My Points is >> >> Your concept of bursting a HIGH capacity for short periods is a sound >> concept, provided that you never let o
Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates
That hospital should be running WSUS to manage their updates. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates > ...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion > on a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites > such as myspace, yahoo, and many others...not saying that it happens > often. I host about 50 websites on a 3 meg connection for myself and > others, and in 8 years have NEVER heard a single complaint from my > webhosters. A 10 meg download from Chuck's customer to my web server will > NEVER be realized. As Chuck says, the bandwidth test is on a server that > the customer directly connects to across their wireless link, which is a > true bandwidth check to that point. The truth is in the advertising...If > he says you will get 10 meg to any place at any time, he might get busted > for false adv. Not sure how he does it, but if it is worded right, he will > get many more customers and no complaints...just cause of burstiness of > web surfing. > > On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for > windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the > inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like > Service Pack 3...? > > Scott > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:06:15 -0600 > >>Bigger number in the advertising and on your website gets the customer. >>We are truthful. The truth is, you will most likely see 10.2 Mbps any >>random time you choose to do a speed test. >>You will also get wide open throttle most of the time you are clicking >>around web sites and checking your email. >>DSL cannot do this. Most Comcast accounts cannot do this. Because we can >>do this, we get and keep customers. >> - Original Message - >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> Again, I have to say, "up to 8Mbps" is completely different than selling >> a true "8Mbps". I can sell an "up to 8Mbps" service using 802.11b >> equipment too. >> >> Maybe I'll start selling an "up to 100Mbps" service for the same price >> as all my other packages... ;) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues. Nearly all our >>customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less >>than a -76, they get full speed. Rarely do we have two customers doing >>full >>speed at the same time on the same sector. (Most we have on a sector is >>50) >> Maybe we are luckier than most >>The main problem on Advantage (as well as other systems) is upload. >> However, Canopy QoS is good and even saturated links don't affect VoIP >>quality. We sell a small business 8/2 package and when you see one of >>them >>soaking upload for long periods and a couple customers running outbound >>P2P, >>you start to worry a little but we haven't had any complaints due to >>capacity. >> >> >>On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> Chuck, >> >>Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps >>is >>possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short range >>customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by the >>farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to be >>pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful capacity >>of >>the Radio. Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago >>originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in one >>direction when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote >>higher >>speeds to business symetrical customers. >> >>Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage >>series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to upload, >>sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client
Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates
Scottie Arnett wrote: > On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for > windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the > inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like > Service Pack 3...? > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx might be of use. You would also need to change the DNS record for windowsupdate.microsoft.com that you present to your customers to hit your local server. As to the legal or technical implications (maybe update signatures or something) I can't speak to them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates
...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion on a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites such as myspace, yahoo, and many others...not saying that it happens often. I host about 50 websites on a 3 meg connection for myself and others, and in 8 years have NEVER heard a single complaint from my webhosters. A 10 meg download from Chuck's customer to my web server will NEVER be realized. As Chuck says, the bandwidth test is on a server that the customer directly connects to across their wireless link, which is a true bandwidth check to that point. The truth is in the advertising...If he says you will get 10 meg to any place at any time, he might get busted for false adv. Not sure how he does it, but if it is worded right, he will get many more customers and no complaints...just cause of burstiness of web surfing. On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like Service Pack 3...? Scott -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:06:15 -0600 >Bigger number in the advertising and on your website gets the customer. >We are truthful. The truth is, you will most likely see 10.2 Mbps any random >time you choose to do a speed test. >You will also get wide open throttle most of the time you are clicking around >web sites and checking your email. >DSL cannot do this. Most Comcast accounts cannot do this. Because we can do >this, we get and keep customers. > - Original Message - > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > Again, I have to say, "up to 8Mbps" is completely different than selling a > true "8Mbps". I can sell an "up to 8Mbps" service using 802.11b equipment too. > > Maybe I'll start selling an "up to 100Mbps" service for the same price as > all my other packages... ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues. Nearly all our >customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less >than a -76, they get full speed. Rarely do we have two customers doing full >speed at the same time on the same sector. (Most we have on a sector is 50) > Maybe we are luckier than most >The main problem on Advantage (as well as other systems) is upload. > However, Canopy QoS is good and even saturated links don't affect VoIP >quality. We sell a small business 8/2 package and when you see one of them >soaking upload for long periods and a couple customers running outbound P2P, >you start to worry a little but we haven't had any complaints due to >capacity. > > >On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Chuck, > >Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps is >possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short range >customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by the >farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to be >pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful capacity >of >the Radio. Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago >originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in one >direction when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote >higher >speeds to business symetrical customers. > >Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage >series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to upload, >sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client, in that >scenario. Provided that the WISP was fine with all other customers being >100% STARVED at the time the one customer was monopolizing the peak >capacity. >We tried that once, and it was a big mistake because it caused latency to >sky rocket for all the other customers when they first attempted to use >capacity, and the feel of the circuit because very bursty feeling. The >short >pauses made it feel like something was wrong with the circuit. TCP could >not >deal with it properly, it needs time to tune. Because of TCP's reaction, >it >actually translated to a slower experience than if we just gave customers >half the speed. So My Points is > >Your concept of bursting a HIGH capacity for short periods is a sound >concept, provided that you never let one cusomer have ALL your bandwdith. >Headroom is needed. We found that if we let our customers burst to half the >radio full capacity, we could use the same technique sucessfully because >all >the other subs were NEVER starved from bandwidth. > >We tried pushing the limits, such as allowing 7-8mb out of
