[WISPA] tower contract
Does anyone have part of a contract that allows one operator on the tower to use certain frequency's and allow for another operator down the road to also come on the tower and use different frequency's? t WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contract
Generally the way that is handle is by offering colocation on a non-exclusive basis. Then implementing a Non-INterference clause, that gives the first in protection above those that install later. Most non-interferences initially will just protect the landlord from colocators, but coloators should also insist on text that protects the colocator from the landlord. Meaning, that the landlord is to put forst the best effort to not sign future agreements with others that will interfere with pre-existing tenants' operations, and that pre-eixsting tenant's non-interference clauses have presidence. That is the starting point. Anything beyond that is custom based on teh needs of the parties. For example, if one wants to ask for exclusive use of a specific frequency range, they can define that in their agreement. The question that will arrise is... is it acceptable for someone else to deploy in the future using sam e channels if they dont interfere? HAving only a non-interference clause would allow that. However, in some cases a tenant is buying the right to expansion, or flexibiltity to adapt their deployment, or to protect a series of towers that must have coordinated channel plans. In those cases, a tenant would likely want to negotiate terms for full exclusive use of their band. The challenge that comes up is in unlicensed where radios are now tri-band. What generally happens is someone may start out on one channel, but end up on anotehr freq down the road and cause interference, simply because the IT guy in the user niterface may not be aware of contractual terms. Can a pre-existing tenant accept that risk? Abd should the tenant have the right to request prevention of that, such as buying up a series of bands. These are all custom discussion with the landlord, and the text that is appropriate depends on the protection you need and the landlord is willing to do. But to simply allow future tenants to use alternative frequencies, taht is automatically handled by a basic non-ionterference clause, and specific allowance for that is not required, because generally nothing in a tower agreement generally prohibits any future colocator. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tony C. Loosle To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower contract Does anyone have part of a contract that allows one operator on the tower to use certain frequency's and allow for another operator down the road to also come on the tower and use different frequency's? t -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Contract
Dennis, Sent you one offlist. Let us know if that works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: Anyone wishing to share a sample Tower contract for a private owner? Our contract to place equipment on the tower. -- * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Or even better is to just pay a flat monthly rate regardless of customers, etc. It's really none of their business how many customers you have on a tower, or how much they are generating, etc. We ONLY pay a monthly rental fee. Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO __ NOD32 1.1705 (20060814) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services The problem with this in our area is that generally they want more per month for rental that we would generate for subs off a tower. They think we are similar to cell companies and have deep pockets, not realizing that we may only serve 30 customers off of a single tower. Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Or even better is to just pay a flat monthly rate regardless of customers, etc. It's really none of their business how many customers you have on a tower, or how much they are generating, etc. We ONLY pay a monthly rental fee. Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO __ NOD32 1.1705 (20060814) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services I pay rent on one tower. Customer gets free internet and $1 per month per sub. And I keep the site cleaned up (mostly). Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services The problem with this in our area is that generally they want more per month for rental that we would generate for subs off a tower. They think we are similar to cell companies and have deep pockets, not realizing that we may only serve 30 customers off of a single tower. Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis JohnsonSent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:19 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Or even better is to just pay a flat monthly rate regardless of customers, etc.It's really none of their business how many customers you have on a tower, or how much they are generating, etc. We ONLY pay a monthly rental fee.TravisMicroservBrian Webster wrote: Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO __ NOD32 1.1705 (20060814) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Revenue Share... Sometimes revenue share can be the only way to afford to grow. We don't like to do it,but it is us that requests it, when it has to be done. The problem with revenue share is how to track it. Track it by billing/accounting systems? Track it by IP lists? Track it by Router provisioning? One of the features of our router OS is that it had a log in method for landlords to check which customers were provisioned on the router. If the client was provisioned on the router, they got paid. Of course this did not prevent provisioning at a different device, such as upstream router. The idea was it gave us a way to prove customer base without allowing access to our private accounting systems that would hsow the success of our company as a whole. We don;t generally want management companioes to get that type of data about the size of our company or our profitabilty, it effects our ability to negotiate optimally. But the way we did it, also was not adequate because property owners ended up ahving multiple locations, and we ended up provisiong at cell site, not building itself. Still work in progress. But my point is that there is not a good way today to track the information for revenue sahre, so it creates issues. You really need a trusting relationship with them, and a true benefit to both parties to be honest about the agreement. For example, We have changed exclusively to revenue shares based on referals not easements. Bewcause of this it is always advantageous for us tobe honeest about ourcommissions to pay out so we get the support of the property owneras new clients come in and go. We need to be the one that the property owner tells their tenants about. its different if its a hotel or something, because they can collect the money or lots of clients in one system taht would be beneficial to be provisioned from a unique seperate system. Not the case for public access. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
What about getting your CPA to give them a notarized customer list? Would that be cheaper and easier? Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
