Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Yeah I think that's what happened here. I still haven't been on site. It is in the bottom section, which is in the concrete. We'll need to drill holes, check for rust, etc then weld to fix it appears. If the bottom section is bad, we're not sure what we'll have to do short of digging up the concrete and starting over. Randy Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > The drain holes could be at the very bottom. I've seen people put the first > tower section in the ground then concrete that in. Any water just drains > out the bottom that way. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > > >> We got the temporary clamps in place and are working to replace the >> section in the near future (before more climbing). >> >> No drain holes right now either... :( >> >> >> >> Randy >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> Yeppers. There is NO way I'd put a person on it >>> >>> On the other hand, I'm out on a farm. I see how strong metal often is in >>> ways that always surprise me. I've got people out here that climb those >>> old >>> crank up TV towers that everyone installed in the 50's and 60's. >>> Sometimes >>> they are climbing them because they are so bent that they won't come >>> down. >>> Crazy but people do it all of the time. >>> >>> I love my 65' bucket truck. We're using that thing FAR more than I >>> thought I would. We've been able to pull in so many new customers in >>> just 6 >>> or so months that my payments on the truck are already covered. It's >>> almost >>> like a free piece of cool machinery. Then you look at the repair bills, >>> $300+ tires, annual certifications, insurance etc. deep sigh But it >>> still >>> beats the heck out of climbing anything! >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bob Moldashel" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is >>>> no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in >>>> the future. >>>> >>>> In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg >>>> could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the >>>> balance and have it collapse. >>>> >>>> Lift Pull Replace. >>>> >>>> Safety first. >>>> >>>> -B- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. >>>>> >>>>> 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a >>>>> truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a >>>>> professional tower company on a permanent repair. >>>>> >>>>> I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and >>>>> installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's >>>>> below >>>>> that level as well) should be pretty easy though. >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Cameron Kilton" >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same >>>>>> size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps >>>>>> and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't >>>>>> have much to worry about. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Cameron >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: wire
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
The drain holes could be at the very bottom. I've seen people put the first tower section in the ground then concrete that in. Any water just drains out the bottom that way. marlon - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > We got the temporary clamps in place and are working to replace the > section in the near future (before more climbing). > > No drain holes right now either... :( > > > > Randy > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeppers. There is NO way I'd put a person on it >> >> On the other hand, I'm out on a farm. I see how strong metal often is in >> ways that always surprise me. I've got people out here that climb those >> old >> crank up TV towers that everyone installed in the 50's and 60's. >> Sometimes >> they are climbing them because they are so bent that they won't come >> down. >> Crazy but people do it all of the time. >> >> I love my 65' bucket truck. We're using that thing FAR more than I >> thought I would. We've been able to pull in so many new customers in >> just 6 >> or so months that my payments on the truck are already covered. It's >> almost >> like a free piece of cool machinery. Then you look at the repair bills, >> $300+ tires, annual certifications, insurance etc. deep sigh But it >> still >> beats the heck out of climbing anything! >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Moldashel" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >> >> >> >>> And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is >>> no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in >>> the future. >>> >>> In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg >>> could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the >>> balance and have it collapse. >>> >>> Lift Pull Replace. >>> >>> Safety first. >>> >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> >>>> That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. >>>> >>>> 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a >>>> truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a >>>> professional tower company on a permanent repair. >>>> >>>> I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and >>>> installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's >>>> below >>>> that level as well) should be pretty easy though. >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Cameron Kilton" >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same >>>>> size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps >>>>> and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't >>>>> have much to worry about. >>>>> >>>>> -Cameron >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>>>> >>>>> Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) >>>>> >>>>> Water inside froze and split it open. >>>>> >>>>> The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane >>>>> holding >>>>> me up :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Mess
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
We got the temporary clamps in place and are working to replace the section in the near future (before more climbing). No drain holes right now either... :( Randy Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeppers. There is NO way I'd put a person on it > > On the other hand, I'm out on a farm. I see how strong metal often is in > ways that always surprise me. I've got people out here that climb those old > crank up TV towers that everyone installed in the 50's and 60's. Sometimes > they are climbing them because they are so bent that they won't come down. > Crazy but people do it all of the time. > > I love my 65' bucket truck. We're using that thing FAR more than I > thought I would. We've been able to pull in so many new customers in just 6 > or so months that my payments on the truck are already covered. It's almost > like a free piece of cool machinery. Then you look at the repair bills, > $300+ tires, annual certifications, insurance etc. deep sigh But it still > beats the heck out of climbing anything! > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Moldashel" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > > >> And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is >> no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in >> the future. >> >> In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg >> could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the >> balance and have it collapse. >> >> Lift Pull Replace. >> >> Safety first. >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. >>> >>> 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a >>> truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a >>> professional tower company on a permanent repair. >>> >>> I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and >>> installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's >>> below >>> that level as well) should be pretty easy though. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Cameron Kilton" >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same >>>> size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps >>>> and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't >>>> have much to worry about. >>>> >>>> -Cameron >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>>> >>>> Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) >>>> >>>> Water inside froze and split it open. >>>> >>>> The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane >>>> holding >>>> me up :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Randy Cosby" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM >>>> Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >>>> 1420 >>>> >>>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >>>> 1418 >>>> >>>> >>>>> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing >>>>> >>>>> >>>> space >>>> >>>> >>>>> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >>>>> developing, or there was something wrong with t
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Yeppers. There is NO way I'd put a person on it On the other hand, I'm out on a farm. I see how strong metal often is in ways that always surprise me. I've got people out here that climb those old crank up TV towers that everyone installed in the 50's and 60's. Sometimes they are climbing them because they are so bent that they won't come down. Crazy but people do it all of the time. I love my 65' bucket truck. We're using that thing FAR more than I thought I would. We've been able to pull in so many new customers in just 6 or so months that my payments on the truck are already covered. It's almost like a free piece of cool machinery. Then you look at the repair bills, $300+ tires, annual certifications, insurance etc. deep sigh But it still beats the heck out of climbing anything! marlon - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is > no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in > the future. > > In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg > could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the > balance and have it collapse. > > Lift Pull Replace. > > Safety first. > > -B- > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. >> >> 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a >> truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a >> professional tower company on a permanent repair. >> >> I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and >> installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's >> below >> that level as well) should be pretty easy though. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Cameron Kilton" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >> >> >> >>> We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same >>> size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps >>> and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't >>> have much to worry about. >>> >>> -Cameron >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>> >>> Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) >>> >>> Water inside froze and split it open. >>> >>> The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane >>> holding >>> me up :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Randy Cosby" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM >>> Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >>> >>> >>> >>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >>> 1420 >>> >>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >>> 1418 >>> >>>> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing >>>> >>> space >>> >>>> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >>>> developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it >>>> >>> blew >>> >>>> out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no >>>> hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. >>>> >>>> In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the >>>> lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / >>>> >>> reinforcing >>> >>>> this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Randy Cosby >>>> Vice President >>>> InfoWest, Inc >>>> >>>> work: 435-773-60
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in the future. In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the balance and have it collapse. Lift Pull Replace. Safety first. -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. > > 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a > truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a > professional tower company on a permanent repair. > > I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and > installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's below > that level as well) should be pretty easy though. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Cameron Kilton" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > > >> We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same >> size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps >> and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't >> have much to worry about. >> >> -Cameron >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >> >> Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) >> >> Water inside froze and split it open. >> >> The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane >> holding >> me up :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Randy Cosby" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >> >> >> >> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >> 1420 >> >> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= >> 1418 >> >>> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing >>> >> space >> >>> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >>> developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it >>> >> blew >> >>> out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no >>> hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. >>> >>> In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the >>> lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / >>> >> reinforcing >> >>> this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? >>> >>> -- >>> Randy Cosby >>> Vice President >>> InfoWest, Inc >>> >>> work: 435-773-6071 >>> email: rco...@infowest.com >>> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wisp
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a professional tower company on a permanent repair. I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's below that level as well) should be pretty easy though. marlon - Original Message - From: "Cameron Kilton" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same > size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps > and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't > have much to worry about. > > -Cameron > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) > > Water inside froze and split it open. > > The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane > holding > me up :) > > > > > ++++++++++++ > > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > >> > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= > 1420 >> > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= > 1418 >> >> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing > space >> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >> developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it > blew >> out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no >> hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. >> >> In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the >> lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / > reinforcing >> this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? >> >> -- >> Randy Cosby >> Vice President >> InfoWest, Inc >> >> work: 435-773-6071 >> email: rco...@infowest.com >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Thank Mac (and everyone else who replied). I'll have to get a couple of these to check out. Neato.. Randy Mac Dearman wrote: > This generally happens on the lower portion (or section) of the tower and is > caused by freezing water inside the tower leg. Make sure there are weep > holes on each leg at the base and that they aren't stopped up with rust. You > would be better off to place a water pipe clamp > (http://www.plumbingsupply.com/pipe-repair.html) over the entire fracture > than to hire a welder. > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Blair Davis > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:06 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > > > Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. > > Randy Cosby wrote: > > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem > <http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=142 > 0> &g2_itemId=1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem > <http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=141 > 8> &g2_itemId=1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
This generally happens on the lower portion (or section) of the tower and is caused by freezing water inside the tower leg. Make sure there are weep holes on each leg at the base and that they aren't stopped up with rust. You would be better off to place a water pipe clamp (http://www.plumbingsupply.com/pipe-repair.html) over the entire fracture than to hire a welder. Mac From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem <http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=142 0> &g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem <http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=141 8> &g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
If you don't have a drain out the bottom it will keep doing it. Randy Cosby wrote: > Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) > and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
That is caused by condensation or rain coming in the top of the leg. Basically there is no drain at the bottom of the leg and the water is repeatedly freezing at the snow line. Randy Cosby wrote: > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Shouldn't be a problem if you have a crane and it is only 40'. If it was my tower I would just split a piece of pipe, weld it around it to reinforce it and then use my jin pole to bring it down and replace that section. Better check the bottom to make sure it isn't rusted out from the water in it. Jim Randy Cosby wrote: > Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) > and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. > > Randy > > > rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: > >> Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) >> >> Water inside froze and split it open. >> >> The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding >> me up :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Randy Cosby" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? >> >> >> >> >>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 >>> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 >>> >>> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space >>> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >>> developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew >>> out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no >>> hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. >>> >>> In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the >>> lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing >>> this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? >>> >>> -- >>> Randy Cosby >>> Vice President >>> InfoWest, Inc >>> >>> work: 435-773-6071 >>> email: rco...@infowest.com >>> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't have much to worry about. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= 1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId= 1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > > -- > Randy Cosby > Vice President > InfoWest, Inc > > work: 435-773-6071 > email: rco...@infowest.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. Randy rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: > Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) > > Water inside froze and split it open. > > The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding > me up :) > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > > > >> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 >> http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 >> >> These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space >> on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture >> developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew >> out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no >> hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. >> >> In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the >> lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing >> this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? >> >> -- >> Randy Cosby >> Vice President >> InfoWest, Inc >> >> work: 435-773-6071 >> email: rco...@infowest.com >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > > -- > Randy Cosby > Vice President > InfoWest, Inc > > work: 435-773-6071 > email: rco...@infowest.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Definitely from freezing as it comes from the inside out. If it were mine, I would figure out a way to get it down with the gear on it and put up a new one. At 40' there are lots of sign and rigging companies with a crane that could pick it up off the base and lower it so you can get the gear off before it hits the ground. Randy Cosby wrote: > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 07:50:00 > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Randy That's water freezing inside the leg and splitting the leg. I bet the drain holes in the bottom are plugged and not letting water drain I would avoid this tower. I surely wouldn't climb it. And I will call you tomorrow reference your e-mail Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:30:42 To: Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Looks like freeze damage to me. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 > http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 > > These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space > on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture > developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew > out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no > hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. > > In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the > lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing > this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? > > -- > Randy Cosby > Vice President > InfoWest, Inc > > work: 435-773-6071 > email: rco...@infowest.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower fix possible?
http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
