Re: NON U.S. and Canada WISPs? was RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ...
If we want WISPA to be the IEEE of the world, then all this FCC (US) stuff must be taken off the general list. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Patrick Leary wrote: Sam, you are right. During this whole thread I have been reflexive about assuming U.S. and I did assume you discussing it from a U.S. standpoint. I was wrong to assume that and I apologize. To all non-U.S. (well, this really does include Canada since the domains share so much in common from a UL standpoint), this must indeed be mind numbing. What would be VERY interesting would be for the non-North American WISPs to tell us their opinions about compliance relative to their regions. I have assumptions there too, but MUCH less knowledge and experience so the better part of valor is shut up and listen. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you don't even stop to think about your reply. I stated it that way because I have absolutely no idea if rabbtux rabbtux is in the US or not. It is a gmail account so it could be anywhere world wide. They stated that they were looking for something that would work with an MT/SR5 combination so I replied that if the sticker is not important (which it probably isn't since they are use an MT/SR5 as the AP) they could use a RB112 and CM9 with good result. I added on the fact that Tranzeo makes eqiupment that will meet their specifications and is FCC approved so that they (and others) know that there is certified equipment that meet their criteria. I will echo Mark's (?) comment from somewhere in the fact that in the certified realm there isn't much that comes close to the flexibility and power of either StarOS or MT. The problem with the Premium CPE is that it attaches to a Premium PROPRIETARY AP. The power of StarOS and MT is in the fact that the user is not stuck buying everything from a single manufacturer. If PCEngines EOLs a model of wrap board there is always gateworks or MT. If StarOS adds a new advanced routing protocol MT users can switch with only the change of an AP and gain the full advantage and in some cases they doesn't even have to change AP hardware. If Smartbridges equipment goes to crap you can change to Senao, if Senao EOLs a CPE you can switch to Tranzeo. In the Premium world if Trango decides to EOL a line of equipment or manufacturing quality tanks you are stuck with: 1. buy refurb/used equipment 2. hang dual APs to handle new growth 3. swap equipment around in your network so that vendor/product A is on the east side of your coverage area... 4. Replace CPEs with new line of product There is a LOT more to the certified debate than the fact that Motorola, Trango and Alvarion have finally gotten CPE price down to $200. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Patrick Leary wrote: Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point? Looking for lower cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
NON U.S. and Canada WISPs? was RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ...
Sam, you are right. During this whole thread I have been reflexive about assuming U.S. and I did assume you discussing it from a U.S. standpoint. I was wrong to assume that and I apologize. To all non-U.S. (well, this really does include Canada since the domains share so much in common from a UL standpoint), this must indeed be mind numbing. What would be VERY interesting would be for the non-North American WISPs to tell us their opinions about compliance relative to their regions. I have assumptions there too, but MUCH less knowledge and experience so the better part of valor is shut up and listen. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you don't even stop to think about your reply. I stated it that way because I have absolutely no idea if rabbtux rabbtux is in the US or not. It is a gmail account so it could be anywhere world wide. They stated that they were looking for something that would work with an MT/SR5 combination so I replied that if the sticker is not important (which it probably isn't since they are use an MT/SR5 as the AP) they could use a RB112 and CM9 with good result. I added on the fact that Tranzeo makes eqiupment that will meet their specifications and is FCC approved so that they (and others) know that there is certified equipment that meet their criteria. I will echo Mark's (?) comment from somewhere in the fact that in the certified realm there isn't much that comes close to the flexibility and power of either StarOS or MT. The problem with the Premium CPE is that it attaches to a Premium PROPRIETARY AP. The power of StarOS and MT is in the fact that the user is not stuck buying everything from a single manufacturer. If PCEngines EOLs a model of wrap board there is always gateworks or MT. If StarOS adds a new advanced routing protocol MT users can switch with only the change of an AP and gain the full advantage and in some cases they doesn't even have to change AP hardware. If Smartbridges equipment goes to crap you can change to Senao, if Senao EOLs a CPE you can switch to Tranzeo. In the Premium world if Trango decides to EOL a line of equipment or manufacturing quality tanks you are stuck with: 1. buy refurb/used equipment 2. hang dual APs to handle new growth 3. swap equipment around in your network so that vendor/product A is on the east side of your coverage area... 4. Replace CPEs with new line of product There is a LOT more to the certified debate than the fact that Motorola, Trango and Alvarion have finally gotten CPE price down to $200. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Patrick Leary wrote: Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point? Looking for lower cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190).
