Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
Mti's are a lot better antenna but a bit more pricey. - Jeff On 6/7/06 9:16 PM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp. That's 30 dB. If you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB. But, that's part of why I love 5.3! Forces people to use good antennas and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas! hehehehe Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Yeah, Dan, I'm using tighter beamwidths as much as possible for spectrum conservation. I do use omni's in 2.4 quite a bit, but 5 gig I like it tight. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain. What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port. Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is what we use mostly. No need to increase the power under most circumstance. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp. That's 30 dB. If you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB. But, that's part of why I love 5.3! Forces people to use good antennas and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas! hehehehe Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Short pigtail - less signal loss Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy to swap unit Dan Metcalf Right on Dan. Thats what we've been doing. Prebuilt, easy to install. With the Star WAr boards we've even gone as far as adding the 2nd antenna port with an external nfemale bulkhead and dropping in a local high quality ap sector inside of the premises and getting away from using cheapo consumerable wireless routers, the ones that disapoint our customers and make us look bad. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
The big delimna for years, is that Trango has the unique advantage of Dual Pol on the fly. If you give up Dual Pol flexibilty, whats the point in using Trango, that's their main advantage. Sure the Rootenna are cheap, we use them for our Mikrotik/StarOS CPEs. I suggest the MTI as a match for Trango, because its the only one available at a reasonable price. Even Trango's model (without the back) goes for $300. I'm not that big a fan anymore of the MTI panels, they break way to easilly. I attribute it to the overly hard plastic, that does not absorb shock. I also think MTIs are to expensive, for retail QTY1, often around $300 also. But in Quantity the MTIs can be gotten pretty cheaply. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
With a rootena, at 7 miles, sounds like George is over power limits. But take note, 5.3G can be within limits to reach 7 miles. You can actually reach 10 miles (with little fade margin) and be within the limits. It does however require a 32 db dish, and a -2 power level to be legal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp. That's 30 dB. If you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB. But, that's part of why I love 5.3! Forces people to use good antennas and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas! hehehehe Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
You gotta love those StarOS 5-10 Mhz channels :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
