RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread tonylist
Well this is yet to be seen, the noise floor at 3.65Ghz should be very
clean. This means you will be able to make links as much lower signal levels
then with 2.4Ghz. And OFDM will help with NearLOS issues with buildings, but
if are dealing with trees OFDM is not going to help much this will come down
to simply physic.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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That's pretty much what I thought it would be for, hence the 2 mile radius 
indoor CPE just isn't going to fly.


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> Mike
>
> Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
> than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
> that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
> PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is little 
> to
> no source of interference where the signal to noise levels are going to be
> 25dBm+! And of course you have very little to worry about when it comes to
> new sites coming on line, for one you will know who and where they are 
> plus
> the rules states very clearly licenses holders must work together.
>
> Sincerely, Tony Morella
> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
> http://www.demarctech.com
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>
> Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How 
> does
> it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers 
> and
> had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
It does matter though. If the rules state that you can not do something,
don't do it, it is really simple. I never read the rules, and never applied
for one. The thing people need to understand is the FCC is probably the last
person, next to the IRS, that you want watching you. The FCC knows what was
going on, and they took notes I am sure, someday it could come to bite all
of us in the but..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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As I remember the rules for the experimental license applications, it 
specifically says that they can't be used for commercial purposes.

But it really doesn't matter, the FCC knew what was being done with the 
bands and wanted to see what would happen anyway.

laters,
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP


> An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
> techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.
>
> I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
> experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
> commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
> license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
> doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
> that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
> now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.
>
> Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for
> backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any
> 3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5
> Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules.
>
> It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying
> "experimentally compliant" 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger
> Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used
> experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan
> Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly
> couched in "yes, we acknowledge it's experimental..." language, they
> all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the
> "experiment" - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It
> worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the
> mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service
> providers in urban areas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things
>> such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial
>> services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is
>> certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your
>> question cannot be answered.
>>
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
As I remember the rules for the experimental license applications, it 
specifically says that they can't be used for commercial purposes.


But it really doesn't matter, the FCC knew what was being done with the 
bands and wanted to see what would happen anyway.


laters,
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP



An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.

I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.

Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for
backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any
3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5
Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules.

It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying
"experimentally compliant" 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger
Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used
experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan
Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly
couched in "yes, we acknowledge it's experimental..." language, they
all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the
"experiment" - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It
worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the
mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service
providers in urban areas.

Thanks,

Steve

On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things
such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial
services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is
certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your
question cannot be answered.


-Matt



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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Matt Liotta

Steve Stroh wrote:

I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.

I am aware that some operators attempted to apply section 5.3j as a way 
to providing commercial services using their experimental license. I 
have included the relevant language below. Theoretically, if the 
operator owns the equipment and informs the customer that their service 
is an experiment and is strictly temporary then the operator could use 
3650. Without arguing whether any reasonable customer would accept those 
conditions. How do you collect revenue on such a customer? When we sell 
internet and/or phone service to a customer they sign a contract that 
lays out what service(s) we are providing them, the term, and ultimately 
how much the customer owes us. Contract terms are a two way street. In 
this case, that means if you have to shutdown the experiment before the 
end of the contract term you as an operator are in default of your 
contract. This means of course that you cannot have a term associated 
with the service. This leads to a very specialized contract or worse no 
contract. Again, what customer signs up for a situation like this?


Sec.  5.93  Limited market studies.

Unless otherwise stated in the instrument of authorization, licenses
granted for the purpose of limited market studies pursuant to Sec.
5.3(j) of this part are subject to the following conditions:
(a) All transmitting and/or receiving equipment used in the study
shall be owned by the licensee.
(b) The licensee is responsible for informing anyone participating
in the experiment that the service or device is granted under an
experimental authorization and is strictly temporary.
(c) The size and scope of the experiment are subject to limitations
as the Commission shall establish on a case-by-case basis. If the
Commission subsequently determines that a market study is not so
limited, the study shall be immediately terminated

-Matt



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RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread Mac Dearman
Steve,


   Thanks for the clarification and comments. There is always a lot of 
conjecture on some of these subjects that the "normal man" who has never held 
an experimental license holds as truths, but in reality is not totally true at 
all. I (as I am sure others) appreciate the time you take to "get the facts 
straight" on some of the subjects that come up on list.

 Continue educating us and keep us in line! :)

Thanks
Mac Dearman







> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Steve Stroh
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP
> 
> An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
> techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.
> 
> I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
> experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
> commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
> license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
> doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
> that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
> now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.
> 
> Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for
> backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any
> 3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5
> Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules.
> 
> It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying
> "experimentally compliant" 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger
> Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used
> experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan
> Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly
> couched in "yes, we acknowledge it's experimental..." language, they
> all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the
> "experiment" - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It
> worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the
> mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service
> providers in urban areas.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test
> things
> > such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial
> > services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is
> > certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your
> > question cannot be answered.
> >
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> 
> --
> Steve Stroh
> Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC
> 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-20 Thread Steve Stroh
An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.

I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.

Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for
backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any
3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5
Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules.

It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying
"experimentally compliant" 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger
Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used
experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan
Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly
couched in "yes, we acknowledge it's experimental..." language, they
all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the
"experiment" - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It
worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the
mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service
providers in urban areas.

Thanks,

Steve

On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things
> such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial
> services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is
> certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your
> question cannot be answered.
>
>
> -Matt
>

-- 
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Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
That's pretty much what I thought it would be for, hence the 2 mile radius 
indoor CPE just isn't going to fly.



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Mike

Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is little 
to

no source of interference where the signal to noise levels are going to be
25dBm+! And of course you have very little to worry about when it comes to
new sites coming on line, for one you will know who and where they are 
plus

the rules states very clearly licenses holders must work together.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How 
does
it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers 
and

had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.


-
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RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-20 Thread tonylist
Mike

Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is little to
no source of interference where the signal to noise levels are going to be
25dBm+! And of course you have very little to worry about when it comes to
new sites coming on line, for one you will know who and where they are plus
the rules states very clearly licenses holders must work together.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:16 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How does
it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers and
had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.


-
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-19 Thread Dylan Oliver
Reading Covad's narrative rationale for their license, it sounded to me like
they were offering limited commercial service on a limited,
clearly-labeled-as-experimental basis:

"The use of limited market studies will permit
equipment testing (like other markets) as well as deployment of limited
subscriber
equipment to understand market requirements as well as technological issues
associated
with this spectrum. Covad hereby agrees to comply with the provisions of
Section 5.93
in conducting its limited market study. In particular, Covad will: (a) own
all of the
transmitting and/or receiving equipment; and (b) be responsible for
informing anyone
participating in the experiment that the service is granted under an
experimental
authorization and is strictly temporary."

Here's Section 5.93:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=c8dac1967310be65aa88f8d1956f1241&rgn=div8&view=text&node=47:1.0.1.1.6.2.237.22&idno=47
 (sorry for the long link; TinyURL isn't working)

Their "limited deployment" consisted of 16 Aperto Packetwave base stations
and
200 subscriber units with authorization to operate at 20+ locations
across many markets:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/442_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=30877&license_seq=31192

Best,
-- 
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC



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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-19 Thread Matt Liotta

Mike Hammett wrote:
People have used basically the same gear in 3650 for a couple years now 
thanks to experimental licenses.  I know of two that have, but I have 
not heard their input yet on my latest inquiry.


Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things 
such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial 
services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is 
certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your 
question cannot be answered.


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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett
People have used basically the same gear in 3650 for a couple years now 
thanks to experimental licenses.  I know of two that have, but I have not 
heard their input yet on my latest inquiry.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP



Mike Hammett wrote:
Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How 
does it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more 
towers and had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.


As far as I am aware, no one has received a license in 3650 to provide 
service to customers.


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Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-19 Thread Matt Liotta

Mike Hammett wrote:

Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How does it 
really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers and had 
planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.

As far as I am aware, no one has received a license in 3650 to provide 
service to customers.


-Matt



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