Re: [WISPA] Pigtails
Do you have a part number from Tessco? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Kelly Shaw wrote: We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. I told Trango a number of times the RP-SMA connector is a big disadvantage. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. We too have seen a high rate of failure with Hyperlink's pigtails. We haven't had a single pigtail fail from Tessco though. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails
Without meaning to be disrespectful... Maybe you have a waterproofing method problem? We have not had to replace one Trango pigtail in 7 years. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kelly Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pigtails We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. What are you guys using and which manufacturer have you had the best luck with? Kelly Shaw Pure Internet www.pure.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails
We buy our pigtails, made from Shiren, allrfcables.com. Rock solid. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kelly Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pigtails We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. What are you guys using and which manufacturer have you had the best luck with? Kelly Shaw Pure Internet www.pure.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Pigtails
That may or may not be true, but who makes your pigtails? Or, are they home made? Kelly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails Without meaning to be disrespectful... Maybe you have a waterproofing method problem? We have not had to replace one Trango pigtail in 7 years. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kelly Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pigtails We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. What are you guys using and which manufacturer have you had the best luck with? Kelly Shaw Pure Internet www.pure.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ __ NOD32 2346 (20070622) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails
We have had MANY pigtail failures... mostly from Hyperlink cables. Ends coming off while hand-tightening, center pins falling out, cables failing after a year, etc. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Without meaning to be disrespectful... Maybe you have a waterproofing method problem? We have not had to replace one Trango pigtail in 7 years. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kelly Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pigtails We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. What are you guys using and which manufacturer have you had the best luck with? Kelly Shaw Pure Internet www.pure.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails
Kelly Shaw wrote: We are having a time with our radio pigtails. As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water proof and, for us, needs to be replaced yearly on some of our taller towers. I told Trango a number of times the RP-SMA connector is a big disadvantage. Right now, we've had to replace all of our last batch of Hyperlink pigtails. We too have seen a high rate of failure with Hyperlink's pigtails. We haven't had a single pigtail fail from Tessco though. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Has anyone used radio to radio with attenuators to check pigtails? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: 03 March 2006 06:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power It's called the Butterfly from www.bvsystems.com. It was about $500. Money well spent :-). As far as I can tell, it is dead accurate ! Brad H On 3/3/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which meter did you buy? What did it run you? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Geta test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testing As to what is wrong with them, I don't know.I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units.They were opened fresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt that it made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue to test as I have time... Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles.There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol.Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails.The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail.However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box.Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db.At a client end this might not be worth it.At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
I am preparing to do that next. I just have to find some attenuators rated for 6GHz with N connectors. Paul Hendry wrote: Has anyone used radio to radio with attenuators to check pigtails? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: 03 March 2006 06:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power It's called the Butterfly from www.bvsystems.com http://www.bvsystems.com. It was about $500. Money well spent :-). As far as I can tell, it is dead accurate ! Brad H On 3/3/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which meter did you buy? What did it run you? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Get a test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testing As to what is wrong with them, I don't know. I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units. They were opened fresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt that it made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue to test as I have time... Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles. There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol. Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails. The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail. However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box. Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db. At a client end this might not be worth it. At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles. There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol. Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails. The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail. However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box. Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db. At a client end this might not be worth it. At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles. There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol. Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails. The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail. However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box. Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db. At a client end this might not be worth it. At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testing As to what is wrong with them, I don't know. I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units. They were opened fresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt that it made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue to test as I have time... Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles. There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol. Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails. The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail. However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box. Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db. At a client end this might not be worth it. At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Geta test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testingAs to what is wrong with them, I don't know.I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units.They were openedfresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt thatit made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue totest as I have time...Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles.There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol.Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails.The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail.However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box.Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db.At a client end this might not be worth it.At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
It's called the Butterfly from www.bvsystems.com. It was about $500. Money well spent :-). As far as I can tell, it is dead accurate ! Brad H On 3/3/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which meter did you buy? What did it run you? Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Geta test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testingAs to what is wrong with them, I don't know.I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units.They were openedfresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt thatit made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue totest as I have time...Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles.There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol.Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails.The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail.However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box.Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db.At a client end this might not be worth it.At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Hi Blair I found this company on the star-os site: Phillip Stiles Sales *MRO Electronic Supply Ltd* 5, 1247, 36 Av. N.E. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2E 6N6 403-291-0501 800-882-9301 FX:403-291-0530 From what was posted, it sounded like they manufacture custom quality pigtails that are supposedly tested. I'm not sure how they test a pigtail but you can always ask. Hope this is helpful. George Blair Davis wrote: After discovering a 5db variance in the pigtails I have when tested at 5.8GHz, I am looking for a source of pigtails that are 100% tested and certified at 5.8GHz. I need mmcx to N-Female and u.fl to N-Female. 6-12 inch lengths will be fine. Any recommendations? PS: This pigtail problem is why my further report on 5.8GHz performance is being delayed.. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Roger Peters - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 210-601-7727 - You can call him anytime - he'll answer your call even if he's in the shower ! God he sings horribly ! JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 14:50 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: After discovering a 5db variance in the pigtails I have when tested at 5.8GHz, I am looking for a source of pigtails that are 100% tested and certified at 5.8GHz. I need mmcx to N-Female and u.fl to N-Female. 6-12 inch lengths will be fine. Any recommendations? PS: This pigtail problem is why my further report on 5.8GHz performance is being delayed.. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
