Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[River R. Perry]

St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas uses an Extreme solution roughly 600 
APs 

River Rock

> On Mar 31, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Reyes, Esteban  wrote:
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> Lake Forest College also uses Cisco, about 400 APs (wave 2 capable as well)
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>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Barrett, Bruce  wrote:
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>> The Community College of Rhode Island is Cisco with 500 APs ( wave 2 
>> capable).
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>> Bruce
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:27 PM, "David LaPorte"  wrote:
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>>> MIT is Cisco as well, a shade under 6k APs.
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>>> 
 On 3/31/16, 6:34 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
 Listserv on behalf of Patrick McEvilly" 
  wrote:
 
 Harvard is a Cisco shop with about 6500 APs.
 
 Patrick McEvilly
 Harvard University
 
 
> On 3/31/16 4:42 PM, Sullivan, Ryan wrote:
> Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
> 
> Ryan Sullivan
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> Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Matt O'Brien]

Feeling inadequate but we'll covered at Boise State with a mere 1400 ap
cisco deployment.
5000 6000 deployments are you meshing   students backpacks:) Wow that's
some square footage!

Matt,
On Mar 31, 2016 8:46 PM, "Julian Y Koh"  wrote:

> On Thu Mar 31 2016 21:31:37 CDT, "Whelan, Robert" 
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> > Northeastern is Aruba with over 3700 APs.
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> Oh fine, I can't resist after that.
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> Northwestern is Aruba with a little over 5000 APs.  :) :)
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Reyes, Esteban]

Lake Forest College also uses Cisco, about 400 APs (wave 2 capable as well)

Esteban

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Barrett, Bruce  wrote:
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> The Community College of Rhode Island is Cisco with 500 APs ( wave 2 capable).
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> Bruce
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:27 PM, "David LaPorte"  wrote:
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>> MIT is Cisco as well, a shade under 6k APs.
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>>> On 3/31/16, 6:34 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
>>> Listserv on behalf of Patrick McEvilly" >> on behalf of patrick_mcevi...@harvard.edu> wrote:
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>>> Harvard is a Cisco shop with about 6500 APs.
>>> 
>>> Patrick McEvilly
>>> Harvard University
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>>> 
 On 3/31/16 4:42 PM, Sullivan, Ryan wrote:
 Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
 
 Ryan Sullivan
 
 
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 Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Julian Y Koh]

On Thu Mar 31 2016 21:31:37 CDT, "Whelan, Robert"  wrote:
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> Northeastern is Aruba with over 3700 APs.

Oh fine, I can't resist after that.

Northwestern is Aruba with a little over 5000 APs.  :) :)


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Whelan, Robert]

Northeastern is Aruba with over 3700 APs.

Bob



On 3/31/16, 10:13 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Barrett, Bruce"  wrote:

>The Community College of Rhode Island is Cisco with 500 APs ( wave 2 capable).
>
>Bruce
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>Sent from my iPad
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>On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:27 PM, "David LaPorte"  wrote:
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>> MIT is Cisco as well, a shade under 6k APs.
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>> On 3/31/16, 6:34 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group 
>> Listserv on behalf of Patrick McEvilly" > on behalf of patrick_mcevi...@harvard.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Harvard is a Cisco shop with about 6500 APs.
>>> 
>>> Patrick McEvilly
>>> Harvard University
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/16 4:42 PM, Sullivan, Ryan wrote:
 Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
 
 Ryan Sullivan
 
 
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 Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Phill Solomon]

University of Melbourne - Cisco  4K AP's   

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[David LaPorte]

MIT is Cisco as well, a shade under 6k APs.




On 3/31/16, 6:34 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Patrick McEvilly"  wrote:

>Harvard is a Cisco shop with about 6500 APs.
>
>Patrick McEvilly
>Harvard University
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>On 3/31/16 4:42 PM, Sullivan, Ryan wrote:
>> Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
>> 
>> Ryan Sullivan
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>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
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>> Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Patrick McEvilly]

Harvard is a Cisco shop with about 6500 APs.

Patrick McEvilly
Harvard University


On 3/31/16 4:42 PM, Sullivan, Ryan wrote:
> Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
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> Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.
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RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Peter P Morrissey]

Good point Bruce. A large campus at an educational institution has many 
challenges that would not be experienced by a corporate environment. I could be 
wrong, but I would also think that campus edu networks tend to be much larger 
in scale both in number of APS and number of devices connected. I have heard 
from other sources as well that Aruba is bigger in the education space, and it 
certainly could be that Cisco is more focused on the needs of the corporate 
market.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

“While Aruba is #2, their market share and installed base is but a tiny 
fraction of Cisco’s,…”

Here is an interesting counterpoint. There is a Wi-Fi vendor straw poll on this 
list. Current results list Aruba at 36% (59 votes) and Cisco at 35% (57 votes). 
To me, at least, that does not look like a distant second.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

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From: Jeffrey D. Sessler [mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

so it stands to reason that the conversation here is going to be predominantly 
Cisco. If you are a customer of the #1 vendor you’ll likely be more open to 
discussing the pain points given management is unlikely to be concerned. If you 
have something else, then it may call into question the decision to go that 
direction. Right or wrong, that’s just how it sees to work.

So sure, I don’t see Aruba customers debating their pain points here, but I do 
see Aruba cheerleading – especially from you.

I’m in a fortunate position of having both in my consortium, and the Aruba folk 
have had to deal with a number of show stopping bugs over the years. So It’s 
not unique to Cisco, but the Cisco people seem more open to sharing – which to 
me is a good thing.

Jeff

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Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

​

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From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this unit or another that performs the same core functions.  When I 
demo’d my JDSU with an old multimode ST connection we recently replaced, the 
comment “you still had light passing through that!?” says a lot.

Overall, the session went well.  There were 17 people (a good number for a 
small conference!) from 15 different institutions.

Hot topics:

· NAC just doesn’t want to go away.

· There are still a large number of people who don’t know these 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Sullivan, Ryan]

Same for UCSD - Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.

Ryan Sullivan


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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:44 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Turner, Ryan H]

We are an Aruba wireless shop with Enterasys (now Extreme) at the edge.  I am 
not super surprised at the lack of Extreme/Enterasys adoption.  I think they 
make one of the best products out there, but by the time they got their act 
together on wireless, most of us had already committed to one vendor or 
another.  And none of us relish the idea of a mixed wireless environment 
(although most of us have been there).  It is just really difficult to change 
horses after you start adopting.

Ryan

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeremy Gibbs
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 3:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

I am sort of surprised at the low number of people using Extreme Networks.  
Then again, maybe I shouldn't be.


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Utica College IITS
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Norman Mourtada 
> wrote:
We are all Aruba for wireless just under a 1000 APs, with Clearpass and Airwave 
and Extreme/Enterasys for wired.

Norm Mourtada
Suffolk University
Boston, MA 02108

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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Brian L. Cox]

We are identical to Suffolk University ….just under 1000 Aruba AP’s, ClearPass, 
Airwave and Extreme/Enterasys for wired.

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Information Technology Services
Director of Networking & IT infrastructure
University of Nebraska Kearney
(308)865-8176



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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeremy Gibbs
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

I am sort of surprised at the low number of people using Extreme Networks.  
Then again, maybe I shouldn't be.


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Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Norman Mourtada 
> wrote:
We are all Aruba for wireless just under a 1000 APs, with Clearpass and Airwave 
and Extreme/Enterasys for wired.

Norm Mourtada
Suffolk University
Boston, MA 02108

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:44 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Jeremy Gibbs]

I am sort of surprised at the low number of people using Extreme Networks.
Then again, maybe I shouldn't be.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

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> We are all Aruba for wireless just under a 1000 APs, with Clearpass and
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Norman Mourtada]

We are all Aruba for wireless just under a 1000 APs, with Clearpass and Airwave 
and Extreme/Enterasys for wired.

Norm Mourtada
Suffolk University
Boston, MA 02108

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Watters, John
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Hector J Rios]

LSU, Baton Rouge campus has been using Cisco for many years. But we are 
currently evaluating both Aruba and Ruckus.

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Watters, John]

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Turner, Ryan H]

From my personal experience in a lot of user sessions, I would say I am more 
likely to see an edge towards Aruba in higher education.  I believe higher 
education is Aruba’s number one vertical, and they put tremendous resources 
into making things work for higher ed.  In our experience with Cisco, unless 
you were a large financial shop or strategic customer, you just didn’t get the 
same amount of personal attention and effort.  I realize, however, that vendor 
relationships are often enhanced by the sales rep/engineers that work your 
account, and that can vary wildly from customer to customer.  I think we all 
have unique needs that are going to pull us from one vendor to another.

Ryan Turner
Senior Network Engineer
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:51 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Aruba likely has a higher percentage in the Education markets since that is a 
major focus for them.

​

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IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

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From: Pete Hoffswell [mailto:pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

You may find this link interesting, showing marketshare for WLAN vendors over 
time.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/219473/global-market-share-of-enterprise-wlan-vendors/

Q4 2015:
#1: Cisco 45.04%
#2: Aruba 15.88%
#3: Ruckus 6.71%
#4: Huawei: 4.12%
#5: Ubiquiti: 2.7%
Other: 25.56%

I suppose in higher ed, it might line up similarly, but adding Aerohive in the 
mix.


-
Pete Hoffswell - Network Manager
pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu
http://www.davenport.edu

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Pfeiffer is an Aruba shop.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:08 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

MSU Denver is an Aerohive shop



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[John Rodkey]

Although Cisco bought Meraki, their wireless APs and their cloud-based
management set them apart from the traditional Cisco APs.

John

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) <
bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:

> I thought Meraki == Cisco now.
>
>
>
> ​
>
>
>
> *Bruce Osborne*
>
> *Wireless Engineer*
>
> *IT Network Services - Wireless*
>
>
>
> *(434) 592-4229 <%28434%29%20592-4229>*
>
>
>
> *LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*
>
> *Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
> *From:* John Rodkey [mailto:rod...@westmont.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?
>
>
>
> Need to add Meraki to the list...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jeremy Gibbs  wrote:
>
> Here is a straw poll.
>
>
>
> https://strawpoll.me/7228156
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Jeremy L. Gibbs*
>
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Utica College IITS
>
> T: (315) 223-2383
>
> F: (315) 792-3814
>
> E: jlgi...@utica.edu
>
> http://www.utica.edu
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
>
> On Wed Mar 30 2016 10:20:03 CDT, Jeremy Gibbs  wrote:
> >
> > Utica College - We use Extreme Networks for WiFi, formerly known as
> Enterasys IdentiFi Wireless.
> >
>
> In the interest of not having a zillion replies, might I suggest some kind
> of web-based poll to gather and aggregate this information?  :)
>
>
>
> --
> Julian Y. Koh
> Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
> Northwestern Information Technology
>
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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Harry Zahlis]

Aerohive Shop.

Harry Zahlis
Interim Director of Technology

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Fresno City College
1101 E. University Ave.
Fresno, CA 93741
Help Desk: 559-443-8670
Phone: 559-442-8206
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ferguson, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:12 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Even in Cisco, they call it Cisco Meraki.  I think the bulk of the Other 
category is going to be Cisco Meraki or Xirrus.

--
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Chapman University, IS
Network Operations Manager
mfergu...@chapman.edu
714-744-7873

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick.Decaro
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:57 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco purchased Meraki but the Meraki Cloud controller solution is much 
different than the traditional Cisco solution.We have Meraki here at Logan.


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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:53 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

I thought Meraki == Cisco now.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
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From: John Rodkey [mailto:rod...@westmont.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Need to add Meraki to the list...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
Here is a straw poll.

https://strawpoll.me/7228156




--

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Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

T: (315) 223-2383
F: (315) 792-3814
E: jlgi...@utica.edu
http://www.utica.edu

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Wed Mar 30 2016 10:20:03 CDT, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
>
> Utica College - We use Extreme Networks for WiFi, formerly known as Enterasys 
> IdentiFi Wireless.
>

In the interest of not having a zillion replies, might I suggest some kind of 
web-based poll to gather and aggregate this information?  :)



--
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Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
NUIT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key:

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RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Harry Zahlis]

Aerohive shop.

Harry Zahlis
Interim Director of Technology

[FCC logo for email]
Fresno City College
1101 E. University Ave.
Fresno, CA 93741
Help Desk: 559-443-8670
Phone: 559-442-8206
www.fresnocitycollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

I wonder if Cisco is propped up by the corporate enterprise market. I came from 
a company using Cisco wired switches and had a handful of Cisco wireless APs 
around (conference rooms, etc). The corporate wireless environment is, as you 
can imagine, vastly different from the higher ed wireless environment.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager
Austin College

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

“While Aruba is #2, their market share and installed base is but a tiny 
fraction of Cisco’s,…”

Here is an interesting counterpoint. There is a Wi-Fi vendor straw poll on this 
list. Current results list Aruba at 36% (59 votes) and Cisco at 35% (57 votes). 
To me, at least, that does not look like a distant second.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
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From: Jeffrey D. Sessler [mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

so it stands to reason that the conversation here is going to be predominantly 
Cisco. If you are a customer of the #1 vendor you’ll likely be more open to 
discussing the pain points given management is unlikely to be concerned. If you 
have something else, then it may call into question the decision to go that 
direction. Right or wrong, that’s just how it sees to work.

So sure, I don’t see Aruba customers debating their pain points here, but I do 
see Aruba cheerleading – especially from you.

I’m in a fortunate position of having both in my consortium, and the Aruba folk 
have had to deal with a number of show stopping bugs over the years. So It’s 
not unique to Cisco, but the Cisco people seem more open to sharing – which to 
me is a good thing.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "bosbo...@liberty.edu" 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:35 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this 

RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Thomas Carter]

I wonder if Cisco is propped up by the corporate enterprise market. I came from 
a company using Cisco wired switches and had a handful of Cisco wireless APs 
around (conference rooms, etc). The corporate wireless environment is, as you 
can imagine, vastly different from the higher ed wireless environment.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager
Austin College

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

“While Aruba is #2, their market share and installed base is but a tiny 
fraction of Cisco’s,…”

Here is an interesting counterpoint. There is a Wi-Fi vendor straw poll on this 
list. Current results list Aruba at 36% (59 votes) and Cisco at 35% (57 votes). 
To me, at least, that does not look like a distant second.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler [mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

so it stands to reason that the conversation here is going to be predominantly 
Cisco. If you are a customer of the #1 vendor you’ll likely be more open to 
discussing the pain points given management is unlikely to be concerned. If you 
have something else, then it may call into question the decision to go that 
direction. Right or wrong, that’s just how it sees to work.

So sure, I don’t see Aruba customers debating their pain points here, but I do 
see Aruba cheerleading – especially from you.

I’m in a fortunate position of having both in my consortium, and the Aruba folk 
have had to deal with a number of show stopping bugs over the years. So It’s 
not unique to Cisco, but the Cisco people seem more open to sharing – which to 
me is a good thing.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "bosbo...@liberty.edu" 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:35 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this unit or another that performs the same core functions.  When I 
demo’d my JDSU with an old multimode ST connection we recently replaced, the 
comment “you still had light passing through that!?” says a lot.

Overall, the session went well.  There were 17 people (a good number for a 
small conference!) from 15 different institutions.

Hot topics:

· NAC just doesn’t want to go away.

· There are still a large number of people who don’t know these lists 
exist

· We did discuss vendors on the lists as well as other means of 
communication between members

·

RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Ferguson, Michael]

Even in Cisco, they call it Cisco Meraki.  I think the bulk of the Other 
category is going to be Cisco Meraki or Xirrus.

--
Mike Ferguson
Chapman University, IS
Network Operations Manager
mfergu...@chapman.edu
714-744-7873

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick.Decaro
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:57 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco purchased Meraki but the Meraki Cloud controller solution is much 
different than the traditional Cisco solution.We have Meraki here at Logan.


Rick DeCaro
Director, Information Technology | Logan University
1851 Schoettler Road | Chesterfield, MO 63017
Phone: (636) 230-1911 | www.logan.edu
[cid:image001.jpg@01D18B25.0A360BE0]


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:53 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

I thought Meraki == Cisco now.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: John Rodkey [mailto:rod...@westmont.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Need to add Meraki to the list...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
Here is a straw poll.

https://strawpoll.me/7228156




--

Jeremy L. Gibbs
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

T: (315) 223-2383
F: (315) 792-3814
E: jlgi...@utica.edu
http://www.utica.edu

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Wed Mar 30 2016 10:20:03 CDT, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
>
> Utica College - We use Extreme Networks for WiFi, formerly known as Enterasys 
> IdentiFi Wireless.
>

In the interest of not having a zillion replies, might I suggest some kind of 
web-based poll to gather and aggregate this information?  :)



--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
NUIT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key:

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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Rick . Decaro]

Cisco purchased Meraki but the Meraki Cloud controller solution is much 
different than the traditional Cisco solution.We have Meraki here at Logan.


Rick DeCaro
Director, Information Technology | Logan University
1851 Schoettler Road | Chesterfield, MO 63017
Phone: (636) 230-1911 | www.logan.edu
[cid:image001.jpg@01D18B33.A9C380D0]



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:53 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

I thought Meraki == Cisco now.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: John Rodkey [mailto:rod...@westmont.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Need to add Meraki to the list...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
Here is a straw poll.

https://strawpoll.me/7228156




--

Jeremy L. Gibbs
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

T: (315) 223-2383
F: (315) 792-3814
E: jlgi...@utica.edu
http://www.utica.edu

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Wed Mar 30 2016 10:20:03 CDT, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
>
> Utica College - We use Extreme Networks for WiFi, formerly known as Enterasys 
> IdentiFi Wireless.
>

In the interest of not having a zillion replies, might I suggest some kind of 
web-based poll to gather and aggregate this information?  :)



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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

I thought Meraki == Cisco now.

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From: John Rodkey [mailto:rod...@westmont.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Need to add Meraki to the list...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
Here is a straw poll.

https://strawpoll.me/7228156




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On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Wed Mar 30 2016 10:20:03 CDT, Jeremy Gibbs 
> wrote:
>
> Utica College - We use Extreme Networks for WiFi, formerly known as Enterasys 
> IdentiFi Wireless.
>

In the interest of not having a zillion replies, might I suggest some kind of 
web-based poll to gather and aggregate this information?  :)



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RE: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

Aruba likely has a higher percentage in the Education markets since that is a 
major focus for them.

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From: Pete Hoffswell [mailto:pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

You may find this link interesting, showing marketshare for WLAN vendors over 
time.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/219473/global-market-share-of-enterprise-wlan-vendors/

Q4 2015:
#1: Cisco 45.04%
#2: Aruba 15.88%
#3: Ruckus 6.71%
#4: Huawei: 4.12%
#5: Ubiquiti: 2.7%
Other: 25.56%

I suppose in higher ed, it might line up similarly, but adding Aerohive in the 
mix.


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Pfeiffer is an Aruba shop.

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MSU Denver is an Aerohive shop



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RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Stephen Belcher]

Just to be on the record, we are an all Cisco shop.

It is true that Cisco has a huge lead in the market share and installation base 
overall but I wonder what it is for higher ed. This is a vastly different 
market. From our experience, Cisco wireless has been built for the very strict 
corporate world and not the Wild Wild West of higher ed.

That being said, they are starting to take notice that all BYOD installs aren’t 
created equal and they are building their wireless APs and controllers around 
that model.

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

“While Aruba is #2, their market share and installed base is but a tiny 
fraction of Cisco’s,…”

Here is an interesting counterpoint. There is a Wi-Fi vendor straw poll on this 
list. Current results list Aruba at 36% (59 votes) and Cisco at 35% (57 votes). 
To me, at least, that does not look like a distant second.

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From: Jeffrey D. Sessler [mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

so it stands to reason that the conversation here is going to be predominantly 
Cisco. If you are a customer of the #1 vendor you’ll likely be more open to 
discussing the pain points given management is unlikely to be concerned. If you 
have something else, then it may call into question the decision to go that 
direction. Right or wrong, that’s just how it sees to work.

So sure, I don’t see Aruba customers debating their pain points here, but I do 
see Aruba cheerleading – especially from you.

I’m in a fortunate position of having both in my consortium, and the Aruba folk 
have had to deal with a number of show stopping bugs over the years. So It’s 
not unique to Cisco, but the Cisco people seem more open to sharing – which to 
me is a good thing.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "bosbo...@liberty.edu" 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:35 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

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Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

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From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this unit or another that performs the same core functions.  When I 
demo’d my JDSU with an old multimode ST connection we recently replaced, the 
comment “you still had light passing through that!?” says a lot.

Overall, 

RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

“While Aruba is #2, their market share and installed base is but a tiny 
fraction of Cisco’s,…”

Here is an interesting counterpoint. There is a Wi-Fi vendor straw poll on this 
list. Current results list Aruba at 36% (59 votes) and Cisco at 35% (57 votes). 
To me, at least, that does not look like a distant second.

​

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Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

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From: Jeffrey D. Sessler [mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

so it stands to reason that the conversation here is going to be predominantly 
Cisco. If you are a customer of the #1 vendor you’ll likely be more open to 
discussing the pain points given management is unlikely to be concerned. If you 
have something else, then it may call into question the decision to go that 
direction. Right or wrong, that’s just how it sees to work.

So sure, I don’t see Aruba customers debating their pain points here, but I do 
see Aruba cheerleading – especially from you.

I’m in a fortunate position of having both in my consortium, and the Aruba folk 
have had to deal with a number of show stopping bugs over the years. So It’s 
not unique to Cisco, but the Cisco people seem more open to sharing – which to 
me is a good thing.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "bosbo...@liberty.edu" 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:35 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
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From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this unit or another that performs the same core functions.  When I 
demo’d my JDSU with an old multimode ST connection we recently replaced, the 
comment “you still had light passing through that!?” says a lot.

Overall, the session went well.  There were 17 people (a good number for a 
small conference!) from 15 different institutions.

Hot topics:

·NAC just doesn’t want to go away.

·There are still a large number of people who don’t know these lists 
exist

·We did discuss vendors on the lists as well as other means of 
communication between members

·Gaming networks

·And wireless networking did dominate the discussions.  Interestingly, 
of the 15 institutions, TEN (I had to type that to stress the point) were Aruba 
shops and only 1 Cisco shop.  I’d have lost the farm on that bet.

I hope both of these groups gained some members from the session.  If I left 
out any topics, let me know!

I will be at the Miami Connect next week.  If you’ll be there and would like to 
talk Wireless/Networking, stop by the sessions or send me an email.  I’m hoping 
to drop anchor in a local bar one night.  If anyone has recommendations, let me 
know.  I’d like to get an email out to these lists.  We did this at the annual 
conference a 

RE: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

The first line of my response was also tongue-in-cheek.

I have met Lee and he seems to be a decent guy.

​

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Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

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From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

Bruce,

I certainly was not intending to insult anyone.  I’m not an Aruba user.  It was 
meant completely tongue-and-cheek because of the volume of Cisco-related topics 
that pop up on here .. and rightly so considering their dominance.  I also 
found it very odd that there were so many Aruba users and so few Cisco in the 
session.

To address what I wrote, if you look over the archives you’ll see a 
considerable number of Cisco-centric threads and very few other vendors 
specifically discussed.  No disrespect was intended to Lee.  I am not a Cisco 
user either, but I could not hold Lee in any higher level of respect for his 
wireless knowledge, opinions and leadership .  Lee, if you were insulted by 
what was intended to be a joke, I absolutely apologize.

I considered only sending this to you and Lee, but I want the group to see this 
apology in case anyone else felt as you.

Sincerely,
Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W 
(Network Services)
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:35 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session 
summary

Brian,

Thank you for offending Lee.

This is a WLAN list, not a *Cisco* WLAN list.

Although there are many Aruba customers here, you do not see us debating the 
latest bugs, etc.  Perhaps that is a compliment to Aruba’s Engineering & TAC 
Support teams.

​

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Network Services - Wireless

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Brian Helman [mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: NERCOMP Conference -- Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session summary

(cross-posted to NETMAN group)

As promised, here is a summary of the combined Wireless-LAN/NETMAN session from 
the NERCOMP Conference last week.  In preparation for these sessions, I review 
the hot topics (based purely on number of comments) from the listservs that 
occurred over the previous year.  I keep a running PowerPoint on these topics 
(1 slide per year).  I’m happy to post that PowerPoint, if there is a good 
place to do it.   I believe DropBox has a bandwidth cap, so I’d prefer not to 
distribute that way.   Also, I tend to avoid vendor-specific topics .. so you 
won’t see the billions of discussions on Cisco WAPs (sorry Lee).

This year I tried to mix up the conversation a bit and gave a quick (10 minute) 
demonstration of the JDSU OLP-820p fiber scope/power meter.   In the session I 
said I thought it was around $7,000 (give or take).  I see it on Amazon for 
$5,132.  While I don’t want to recommend specific products, I would recommend 
acquiring this unit or another that performs the same core functions.  When I 
demo’d my JDSU with an old multimode ST connection we recently replaced, the 
comment “you still had light passing through that!?” says a lot.

Overall, the session went well.  There were 17 people (a good number for a 
small conference!) from 15 different institutions.

Hot topics:

·NAC just doesn’t want to go away.

·There are still a large number of people who don’t know these lists 
exist

·We did discuss vendors on the lists as well as other means of 
communication between members

·Gaming networks

·And wireless networking did dominate the discussions.  Interestingly, 
of the 15 institutions, TEN (I had to type that to stress the point) were Aruba 
shops and only 1 Cisco shop.  I’d have lost the farm on that bet.

I hope both of these groups gained some members from the session.  If I left 
out any topics, let me know!

I will be at the Miami Connect next week.  If you’ll be there and would like to 
talk Wireless/Networking, stop by the sessions or send me an email.  I’m hoping 
to drop anchor in a local bar one night.  If anyone has recommendations, let me 
know.  I’d like to get an email out to these lists.  We did this at the annual 
conference a couple nights and it was a lot of fun.

Thanks,
Brian



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RE: Alternatives to PI for Cisco WLAN

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

Actually, the HP Enterprise networking group is basically run by Aruba.

We had an issue with our Airwave server missing data. The culprit, at least in 
our case turned out to be a Cisco ASA firewall that was dropping some UDP 
traffic it was supposed to allow. We moved the server outside that firewall to 
resolve the issue. A server can also drop data if it is not powerful enough for 
the load. We had that issue before upgrading to our current hardware.

We have found Aruba support as very good and they will work on adding needed 
features when requested. One thing we like about Airwave is that, at least with 
Aruba APS, it detects AP reboots that occur between controller scans. Airwave 
alerts when the number of reboots is not what it expected, which helps with 
troubleshooting.

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From: Oliver Elliott [mailto:oliver.elli...@bristol.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: Alternatives to PI for Cisco WLAN

We trialed Airwave for a bit a year ago. The software itself blows PI out of 
the water but the Cisco support wasn't quite good enough. There is lag for 
support of newer APs (which PI also has to be fair), but more importantly there 
were lots of gaps in the data for several of our APs. Shortly after Aruba got 
bought out by HP so I don't imagine 3rd party support is going to be a high 
priority sadly.

Oli

On 25 March 2016 at 12:46, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:
For those of you that moved away from Cisco's PI, what have you gone to? And 
how has it worked?



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