Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Philippe Hanset]

Rodolfo et al.,

I should have pointed out some statistics on my previous post.
If you look at www.eduroam.us > members > eduroam-US Statistics, scroll down to 
preferred SSID (or https://www.eduroam.us/node/5)
You will see that out of the institutions that have reported their status, 162 
out of about 450 :( , 34% are using eduroam as their preferred SSID.
We cannot tell if institutions are using eduroam as their main SSID unless they 
report it on our website!

All, If you run eduroam for you campus, please please please head to eduroam.us 
to update your status (admin login, edit, miscellaneous info). It helps the 
entire community to know what other schools do.

Thank you,

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770

GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C






> On Feb 21, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Rodolfo Nunez  wrote:
> 
> We have to SSID:
> Barnard Secure
> Barnard Guest
> 
> I think they are self explanatory but I could be wrong. I like the idea of 
> just using eduroam (instead of secure) but I don't see that "trending".
> 
> Rodolfo
> 
> -- 
> Rodolfo Nunez
> Director, IT Infrastructure
> Barnard College, Columbia University
> 212-854-1319 <>
> rnu...@barnard.edu 
> www.barnard.edu/bcit 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Philippe Hanset  > wrote:
> I plead guilty.
> 
> When I was at University of Tennessee, we turned eduroam on (back in 2005-06) 
> and did very little to inform the community.
> Classic Technologists believing that the service was so awesome that users 
> would look into this formidable extra SSID with this beautiful self 
> explanatory name. Yeah right!
> Many years later we informed the community (news, email etc,,,), and very few 
> people joined it anyway. Most of them were confused between UT-WPA2 and 
> eduroam.
> 
> This summer UTK reduced their SSIDs to just two (big Bravo to the IT group): 
> UT-Open (MAC address Auth and Guests) and eduroam. There is little need to 
> advertise eduroam or explain why there are two secure SSIDs.
> It just works, users are enabled for millions of Access-Points in one setup. 
> Most of the filtering for local users VS visitors is done via domains and 
> VLANs.
> 
> As Jonathan pointed out: ask you users. 
> 
> Philippe
> 
> 
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net 
> www.eduroam.us 
> +1 (865) 236-0770 
> 
> GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Jonathan Waldrep > > wrote:
>> 
>> 1. eduroam: primary wireless network
>> 2. VirginiaTech: captive portal / mac auth for everything else:
>> - Guest (sponsored and self sponsored)
>> - web auth for affiliates
>> - registered devices that don't do .1x
>> - onboarding to eduroam
>> 
>> We decided that a 2 SSIDs setup was the clearest approach. You can 
>> communicate far more in a web page (captive portal) than in an SSID. Also, 
>> if all choices are a correct one, then users are more likely to choose a 
>> correct choice.
>> 
>> Because of the many roles of the secondary network, it was better to 
>> communicate who was providing the network rather than the role of the 
>> network.
>> 
>> Regardless of what you or your governance bodies think is a good SSID, ask 
>> your users. Send out a survey with a list of possible networks and ask them 
>> which one they would be most likely to choose, which one they most easily 
>> associate with the institution, and which one they trust the most. We did 
>> this, and the answer was clear.
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan Waldrep
>> Network Engineer
>> Network Infrastructure and Services
>> Virginia Tech
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero > > wrote:
>> 
>>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
>> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but 
>> we don't currently.
>> 
>> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
>> (staff, student, guest)
>> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
>> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
>> 
>>   Adam
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
>> ] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>> 
>> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
>> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
>> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
>> allowed by policy)
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Michael Dickson
>> Network Analyst
>> Information 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Here come the LTE-U devices...

[Chuck Enfield]

Make of this what you will, but Verizon has been investing in large-venue 
Wi-Fi recently.

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Brown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Here come the LTE-U devices...

FCC announced it has authorized first LTE-U devices (Ericsson and Nokia are 
first two suppliers approved)

CHAIRMAN PAI STATEMENT ON COMMISSION
AUTHORIZATION OF FIRST LTE-U DEVICES
  --
WASHINGTON, February 22, 2017 – Federal Communications Commission Chairman 
Ajit Pai issued the following statement today on the agency’s first 
authorization of LTE-U devices:

“Today, the Commission announced authorization of the first-ever LTE-U (LTE 
for unlicensed) devices in the 5 GHz band.  This is a significant advance in 
wireless innovation and a big win for wireless consumers.

“LTE-U allows wireless providers to deliver mobile data traffic using 
unlicensed spectrum while sharing the road, so to speak, with Wi-Fi.  The 
excellent staff of the FCC’s Office of Engineering and Technology has 
certified that the LTE-U devices being approved today are in compliance with 
FCC rules.  And voluntary industry testing has demonstrated that both these 
devices and Wi-Fi operations can co-exist in the 5 GHz band.  This heralds a 
technical breakthrough in the many shared uses of this spectrum.

“This is a great deal for wireless consumers, too.  It means they get to 
enjoy the best of both worlds: a more robust, seamless experience when their 
devices are using cellular networks and the continued enjoyment of Wi-Fi, 
one of the most creative uses of spectrum in history.

“I remain committed to ensuring a competitive and vibrant unlicensed 
ecosystem that fosters innovation and promotes the efficient use of 
spectrum.  Today’s announcement, enabled by cooperation among private actors 
and collaboration with the public sector, reflects that commitment.”


https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2017/02/22/oet-authorizes-first-lte-u-devices

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Norman Mourtada]

Thinking of creating a poster board and display in library and lobby’s in dorms 
during the 1st couple of weeks during the start of the semester for starters.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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Michael Hulko
Network Analyst

Western University Canada
Network Operations Centre
Information Technology Services
1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
London, Ontario  N6G 1G9

tel: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Dexter Caldwell]

I hate to bring this up, but we have something all the Flusher.
http://www.furman.edu/sites/marketing/services/Pages/communications.aspx


It gets posted right above bathtroom urinals at eye level and on the inside of 
stall doors or on the wall above the toilets.   Students are paid to deliver 
it.  There are already little paper hold clips on the wall so they take one 
down and post the new one quickly.  Rather effective I might say.  It’s a 
narrow reader that gives you notice about upcoming events and such.   I’ve 
never seen one being delivered, but they magically show up.

Just saying…

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:27 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

That was my thinking – putting it in each residential college/dorm, graduate 
apartments housing, etc.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:13 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus…

Cheers,
Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Danny Eaton]

That was my thinking – putting it in each residential college/dorm, graduate 
apartments housing, etc.  

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:13 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

 

I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus…

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

 

Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

 

Pete Morrissey

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

 

I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.




 


   

Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu  




The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

 

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds  > wrote:

This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. 

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

 

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.




 



Walter Reynolds

Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438  

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  > wrote:

Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference. 

 

 

M

 

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  > wrote:

 

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

 

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

 

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

 

Jeff  

 

From: "  
wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < 
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" <  sean.gr...@uleth.ca>
Reply-To: "  
wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < 
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: "  
wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" < 
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

 

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

 

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. 

 

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

 

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

 

Thanks 

 

Sean

 

 

Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)

Voice, Collaboration & Wireless 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[John Chappell]

I was thinking the same thing!

Regards, 
   
John Chappell
IT Coordinator

Residence Services 
Mount Royal University
Calgary, Alberta
Office: 403.440.5198
Mobile: 403.829.6455   

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert 
Einstein

MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify 
your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking 
you to update or verify your email account.

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:12, Oliver, Jeff  wrote:
> 
> I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the 
> campus… <>
>  
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
> this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users 
> having enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second 
> page, given everything else they are barraged with these days.
>  
> Pete Morrissey
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Joel Coehoorn
> Director of Information Technology
> 402.363.5603
> jcoeho...@york.edu 
> The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
> education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and 
> society
>  
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds  > wrote:
> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. 
>  
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view
>  
> 
>  
> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.
> 
>  
> 
> Walter Reynolds
> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
> Information and Technology Services
> University of Michigan
> (734) 615-9438 
>  
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  > wrote:
> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand 
> document related to interference.
>  
>  
> M
>  
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  > wrote:
>  
> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
> unlikely.
>  
> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we 
> did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today 
> that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s 
> Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of 
> the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, 
> reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need 
> for student printers.
>  
> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
> available, it’s mostly ignored.
>  
> Jeff  
>  
> From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  > on behalf of "Gray, Sean" 
> >
> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
> To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!
>  
> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. 
>  
> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
> education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
> posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
> rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Here come the LTE-U devices...

[Coehoorn, Joel]

IIRC, this has the same power limitations as WiFi and other unlicensed
applications. That limits range enough I don't see carriers just deploying
this everywhere across our campuses. If nothing else, they'd have to get
permission to place the radios. I think it makes more sense for them as
something they can offer to us for micro-cells to improve coverage in
buildings and underground, instead of distributed antennas.

Even that won't make sense until handset support is in more than just a few
devices, though the current Apple/Samsung hegemony means the right device
could tip that scale faster than we expect. I'm also curious if this is
something that Cisco/Aruba/etc will build into Access Points and
controllers in a carrier-agnostic way, so we don't need additional devices,
wiring, or management and can spread it over a good-sized area when we know
we need it.



Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
*jcoeho...@york.edu *

*Please contact helpd...@york.edu  for technical
assistance.*


The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Bob Brown  wrote:

> FCC announced it has authorized first LTE-U devices (Ericsson and Nokia
> are first two suppliers approved)
>
> CHAIRMAN PAI STATEMENT ON COMMISSION
> AUTHORIZATION OF FIRST LTE-U DEVICES
>   --
> WASHINGTON, February 22, 2017 – Federal Communications Commission Chairman
> Ajit Pai issued the following statement today on the agency’s first
> authorization of LTE-U devices:
>
> “Today, the Commission announced authorization of the first-ever LTE-U
> (LTE for unlicensed) devices in the 5 GHz band.  This is a significant
> advance in wireless innovation and a big win for wireless consumers.
>
> “LTE-U allows wireless providers to deliver mobile data traffic using
> unlicensed spectrum while sharing the road, so to speak, with Wi-Fi.  The
> excellent staff of the FCC’s Office of Engineering and Technology has
> certified that the LTE-U devices being approved today are in compliance
> with FCC rules.  And voluntary industry testing has demonstrated that both
> these devices and Wi-Fi operations can co-exist in the 5 GHz band.  This
> heralds a technical breakthrough in the many shared uses of this spectrum.
>
> “This is a great deal for wireless consumers, too.  It means they get to
> enjoy the best of both worlds: a more robust, seamless experience when
> their devices are using cellular networks and the continued enjoyment of
> Wi-Fi, one of the most creative uses of spectrum in history.
>
> “I remain committed to ensuring a competitive and vibrant unlicensed
> ecosystem that fosters innovation and promotes the efficient use of
> spectrum.  Today’s announcement, enabled by cooperation among private
> actors and collaboration with the public sector, reflects that commitment.”
>
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2017/02/22/oet-
> authorizes-first-lte-u-devices
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Oliver, Jeff]

I would love to turn this into a big poster and plaster it all over the campus…

Cheers,
Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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Michael Hulko
Network Analyst

Western University Canada
Network Operations Centre
Information Technology Services
1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
London, Ontario  N6G 1G9

tel: 519-661-2111 x82433
direct: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Peter P Morrissey]

Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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Michael Hulko
Network Analyst

Western University Canada
Network Operations Centre
Information Technology Services
1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
London, Ontario  N6G 1G9

tel: 519-661-2111 x82433
direct: 519-850-2433
e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Ian Lyons]

I too would like to use it.

Ian Lyons
Network Engineer
Rollins College
407.628.6396

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Skalski
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:29 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks,

ajs

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada 
> wrote:
This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks

Norm

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Max McGrath
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Walter -

Can I use (aka steal) the bulk of your PDF?

Max

--
Max McGrath [Image removed by sender.] 

Network Administrator
Carthage College
262-551-
mmcgr...@carthage.edu

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel 
> wrote:
I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[Image removed by sender.]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Daniel Westacott]

We here in Minnesota think the document would be useful to reference.

/daniel/


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Jason Watts  wrote:

> I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and
> imagery and open source it, please.
>
> *Jason Watts* | Senior Network Administrator
>
> *PRATT INSTITUTE*
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John  > wrote:
>
> It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global
> right-to-use statement from the University of Michigan?
>
>
> *John Watters*
>
> Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
>
> The University of Alabama 
> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
> Box 870346
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
> Phone 205-348-3992
> john.watt...@ua.edu
>  
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *John Chappell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about
> interference
>
> That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> *John Chappell*
> *IT Coordinator*
>
> *Residence Services *
> Mount Royal University
> Calgary, Alberta
> Office: 403.440.5198 <(403)%20440-5198>
> Mobile: 403.829.6455 <(403)%20829-6455>
>
> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -
> Albert Einstein
>
> *MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or
> verify your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an
> email asking you to update or verify your email account.*
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip  wrote:
>
> Wonderful pdf.  We would like permission to also re-use contents in your
> pdf in helping educating our Residence clients.
>
> Regards,
> *Edward Ip*
> *Algonquin College* | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario
>  | K2G 1V8 | Canada
> algonquincollege.com
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *Walter Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about
> interference
>
> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ
> jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view
>
>
> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.
>
>
> 
> Walter Reynolds
> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
> Information and Technology Services
> University of Michigan
> (734) 615-9438
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  wrote:
>
> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand
> document related to interference.
>
>
> M
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  > wrote:
>
> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is
> unlikely.
>
> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days,
> we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices
> today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g.
> Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons
> behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve
> the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to
> mitigate the need for student printers.
>
> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4
> is available, it’s mostly ignored.
>
> Jeff
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU > on behalf of "Gray,
> Sean" >
> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU >
> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU >
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>
> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!
>
> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.
>
> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an
> education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz
> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of
> notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference
> the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative
> impact they have 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Walter Reynolds]

We have three publically available.

MWireless - WPA2-enterprise
MGuest - Captive portal
eduroam

I am hoping to make eduroam the primary to phase out MWireless though I
might get pushback on that.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Watters, John  wrote:

> From the University of Alabama:
>
>
>
> UA-WPA2 General faculty/Staff/Student use - WPA2 Enterprise
>
> UA-WPA-PSK  Special for game consoles & stuff that can’t do WPA2
> Enterprise - WPA PSK
>
> UA-Help Info on using UA-WPA2 - open
>
> UA-AthleticsSpecial for UA Athletics - WPA PSK moving to WPA2
> Enterprise within a month
>
> UA-Athletics-Media  Special for UA Athletics - WPA2 Enterprise
>
> UA-WPA2-OIT Hidden SSID for Office of Info Tech use only - WPA2
> Enterprise
>
> eduroam
>
>
>
>
>
> The only ones shown in all areas of campus are:
>
>
>
> UA-WPA2
>
> UA-WPA-PSK
>
> UA-Help
>
> eduroam
>
>
>
>  Plus the hidden UA-WPA2-OIT
>
>
>
>
>
> We have considered making eduroam our only SSID, but just can’t get away
> for some non-eduroam stuff.
>
>
>
> We have nothing for the general public off the street. But, we couldn't
> handle the 150K+ folks who descend on campus for football games in addition
> to the 50K faculty/staff/students we always have.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *John Watters*
>
> Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
>
> The University of Alabama 
> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
> Box 870346
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
> Phone 205-348-3992
> john.watt...@ua.edu
>
> [image: The University of Alabama] 
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jim Stasik
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:36 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>
>
>
> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider
> renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the
> function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a
> little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so
> have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One
> is named Public and is our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our
> authenticated/secure network which we call MC3Waves and is for all
> students, staff, faculty and administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to
> steer the end user to the appropriate role.  We have had these network
> around for as long as I can remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how
> others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678 <(215)%20641-6678>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and
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Here come the LTE-U devices...

[Bob Brown]

FCC announced it has authorized first LTE-U devices (Ericsson and Nokia are 
first two suppliers approved)

CHAIRMAN PAI STATEMENT ON COMMISSION
AUTHORIZATION OF FIRST LTE-U DEVICES
  --
WASHINGTON, February 22, 2017 – Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit 
Pai issued the following statement today on the agency’s first authorization of 
LTE-U devices:
 
“Today, the Commission announced authorization of the first-ever LTE-U (LTE for 
unlicensed) devices in the 5 GHz band.  This is a significant advance in 
wireless innovation and a big win for wireless consumers. 
 
“LTE-U allows wireless providers to deliver mobile data traffic using 
unlicensed spectrum while sharing the road, so to speak, with Wi-Fi.  The 
excellent staff of the FCC’s Office of Engineering and Technology has certified 
that the LTE-U devices being approved today are in compliance with FCC rules.  
And voluntary industry testing has demonstrated that both these devices and 
Wi-Fi operations can co-exist in the 5 GHz band.  This heralds a technical 
breakthrough in the many shared uses of this spectrum.
 
“This is a great deal for wireless consumers, too.  It means they get to enjoy 
the best of both worlds: a more robust, seamless experience when their devices 
are using cellular networks and the continued enjoyment of Wi-Fi, one of the 
most creative uses of spectrum in history. 
 
“I remain committed to ensuring a competitive and vibrant unlicensed ecosystem 
that fosters innovation and promotes the efficient use of spectrum.  Today’s 
announcement, enabled by cooperation among private actors and collaboration 
with the public sector, reflects that commitment.”
 

https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2017/02/22/oet-authorizes-first-lte-u-devices

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Jason Watts]

I was going to ask as well. Take out the institution specific terms and imagery 
and open source it, please. 

Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator

PRATT INSTITUTE



> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Watters, John  wrote:
> 
> It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use 
> statement from the University of Michigan?
>  
> John Watters
> Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
> 
> The University of Alabama 
> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
> Box 870346 
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 
> Phone 205-348-3992 
> john.watt...@ua.edu 
>  
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of John Chappell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well. 
> 
> Regards, 
>
> John Chappell
> IT Coordinator
>  
> Residence Services 
> Mount Royal University
> Calgary, Alberta
> Office: 403.440.5198
> Mobile: 403.829.6455   
>  
> "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - 
> Albert Einstein
>  
> MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify 
> your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email 
> asking you to update or verify your email account.
>  
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip  > wrote:
>  
> Wonderful pdf.  We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf 
> in helping educating our Residence clients.
>  
> Regards,
> Edward Ip
> Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | 
> K2G 1V8 | Canada
> algonquincollege.com 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with. 
>  
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view
>  
> 
>  
> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.
> 
>  
> 
> Walter Reynolds
> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
> Information and Technology Services
> University of Michigan
> (734) 615-9438
>  
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  > wrote:
> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand 
> document related to interference.
>  
>  
> M
>  
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  > wrote:
>  
> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
> unlikely.
>  
> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we 
> did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today 
> that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s 
> Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of 
> the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, 
> reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need 
> for student printers.
>  
> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
> available, it’s mostly ignored.
>  
> Jeff  
>  
> From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  > on behalf of "Gray, Sean" 
> >
> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
> To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>  
> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!
>  
> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle. 
>  
> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
> education drive for all of our wireless 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Watters, John]

It sounds like everyone likes it, include us. How about a global right-to-use 
statement from the University of Michigan?

John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
[The University of Alabama]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Chappell
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:04 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well.

Regards,

John Chappell
IT Coordinator

Residence Services
Mount Royal University
Calgary, Alberta
Office: 403.440.5198
Mobile: 403.829.6455

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert 
Einstein

MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify 
your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking 
you to update or verify your email account.

On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip 
> wrote:

Wonderful pdf.  We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in 
helping educating our Residence clients.

Regards,
Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Cantu, George A.]

Very well put.  I would also like to request permission to reference this 
document.

-George Cantu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of John Chappell >
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:03 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

That is an amazing PDF, I’d like to request permission to use it as well.

Regards,

John Chappell
IT Coordinator

Residence Services
Mount Royal University
Calgary, Alberta
Office: 403.440.5198
Mobile: 403.829.6455

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert 
Einstein

MRU IT Services will NEVER ask you for your password or to update or verify 
your email account through an email. DO NOT click any links in an email asking 
you to update or verify your email account.

On Feb 22, 2017, at 09:57, Edward Ip 
> wrote:

Wonderful pdf.  We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in 
helping educating our Residence clients.

Regards,
Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Edward Ip]

Wonderful pdf.  We would like permission to also re-use contents in your pdf in 
helping educating our Residence clients.

Regards,
Edward Ip
Algonquin College | 1385 Woodroffe Avenue | Room C316 | Ottawa | Ontario | K2G 
1V8 | Canada
algonquincollege.com

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:24 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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Michael Hulko
Network Analyst

Western University Canada
Network Operations Centre
Information Technology Services
1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
London, Ontario  N6G 1G9

tel: 519-661-2111 x82433
direct: 519-850-2433
e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Wesley Troy Scott]

University of Wyoming would also like permission to re-use the bulk of this PDF.


Thank you,


Troy


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Tony Skalski 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:29:14 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks,

ajs

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada 
> wrote:
This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks

Norm

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Max McGrath
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Walter -

Can I use (aka steal) the bulk of your PDF?

Max

--
Max McGrath 
[https://static.licdn.com/scds/common/u/img/webpromo/btn_profile_greytxt_80x15.png]
 
Network Administrator
Carthage College
262-551-
mmcgr...@carthage.edu

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel 
> wrote:
I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



[http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg]


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered 
education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)]

An interesting workflow for captive portal is to use locally significant IP
space on your controllers for pre-authentication states, then leverage a
server initiated workflow that disconnects the user after successful
authentication and they reconnect into their final VLAN/IP space/role.

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Schuette, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:25
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

 

We found the use of a captive portal to reduce the usage of our
infrastructure and internet.  We went from over 60,000 unique clients to
less than 28,000 a day..

 

Still have to dish out the addresses. 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone



 Original message 
From: Jake Snyder  > 
Date: 2/22/17 9:03 AM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
  
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names 

Clients will connect and take up an IP with or without a captive portal.
They might stay connected longer without access to the internet, but they
hit the captive portal which requires an IP.

 

To me, if you rely on a captive portal to solve dhcp issues, you've
undersized your subnets and dhcp pools.  I see lots of orgs trying very low
dhcp timers to "solve" this.  The solution is to have a subnet scoped to
support the peak number number of unique clients for a given day.


Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Jonathan Waldrep  > wrote:

> I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one larger
network if need be

 

We recently moved to this model and it has been great so far. One /17
network per router.




--

Jonathan Waldrep 

Network Engineer

Network Infrastructure and Services

Virginia Tech

 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Tony Skalski  > wrote:

>how do you stop roaming mobile devices from sucking up all your dhcp
addresses?

 

Devices always get the same IP address (until we change the VLAN assignments
for the AP group (i.e. vap profile in Aruba-speak)). Granted, Aruba's
VALN-assignment hashing algorithm is not perfect and once in a while one of
the /24s assigned to the guest SSID exceeds 80% used (our alerting
threshold), but that has only happened a few times since school started in
September. I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one
larger network if need be, given that Aruba has sufficient controls to deal
with {broad,multi}cast traffic.

 

ajs  

 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)
 > wrote:

With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile devices from
sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive portal
helps reduce usage by roaming devices.

 

 

Bruce Osborne

Senior Network Engineer

Network Operations - Wireless

 

 (434) 592-4229  

 

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY

Training Champions for Christ since 1971

 

From: Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu  ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: SSID names

 

Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open SSID
for college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was
considerable overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them
into one. We now have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK
with 1x-incapable devices using the guest network and removed the captive
portal we had on the old guest SSID.

 

 

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  > wrote:


  These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our
residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but
we don't currently.

TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels
(staff, student, guest)
TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
eduroam Guest like access for anyone

  Adam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 ] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM

To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as
allowed by policy)

Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639  
michael.dick...@umass.edu  
PGP: 0x16777D39

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Tony Skalski]

We too would like permission to re-use the bulk of the PDF. Thanks,

ajs

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Norman Mourtada 
wrote:

> This is great. Do I have permission to use your pdf and its content? Thanks
>
>
>
> Norm
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Max McGrath
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:38 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about
> interference
>
>
>
> Walter -
>
>
>
> Can I use (aka *steal*) the bulk of your PDF?
>
>
>
> Max
>
>
> --
> Max McGrath  
> Network Administrator
> Carthage College
> 262-551- <(262)%20551->
> mmcgr...@carthage.edu
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel 
> wrote:
>
> I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.
>
>
>
>
> Joel Coehoorn
> Director of Information Technology
> 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603>
> *jcoeho...@york.edu *
>
> The mission of York College is to transform lives through
> Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
> God, family, and society
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds  wrote:
>
> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZ
> jRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view
>
>
>
> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Walter Reynolds
>
> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
> Information and Technology Services
> University of Michigan
> (734) 615-9438
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  wrote:
>
> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand
> document related to interference.
>
>
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  > wrote:
>
>
>
> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is
> unlikely.
>
>
>
> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days,
> we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices
> today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g.
> Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons
> behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve
> the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to
> mitigate the need for student printers.
>
>
>
> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4
> is available, it’s mostly ignored.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU > on behalf of "Gray,
> Sean" >
> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU >
> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU >
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference
>
>
>
> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!
>
>
>
> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.
>
>
>
> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an
> education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz
> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of
> notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference
> the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative
> impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list
> we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth
> devices and the like…
>
>
>
> if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons)
>
> Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
>
> ITS, University of Lethbridge
>
>
>
>
>
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/
> discuss.
>
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/
> discuss.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Hulko
> Network Analyst
>
> Western University Canada
> Network Operations Centre
> Information Technology Services
> 1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
> London, Ontario  N6G 1G9
>
> tel: 519-661-2111 x82433 <(519)%20661-2111>
>
> direct: 519-850-2433 <(519)%20850-2433>
> e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca
>
>
>
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)]

An interesting workflow for captive portal is to use locally significant IP 
space on your controllers for pre-authentication states, then leverage a server 
initiated workflow that disconnects the user after successful authentication 
and they reconnect into their final VLAN/IP space/role.







From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Schuette, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:25
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names



We found the use of a captive portal to reduce the usage of our infrastructure 
and internet.  We went from over 60,000 unique clients to less than 28,000 a 
day..



Still have to dish out the addresses.







Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone



 Original message 
From: Jake Snyder >
Date: 2/22/17 9:03 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

Clients will connect and take up an IP with or without a captive portal. They 
might stay connected longer without access to the internet, but they hit the 
captive portal which requires an IP.



To me, if you rely on a captive portal to solve dhcp issues, you've undersized 
your subnets and dhcp pools.  I see lots of orgs trying very low dhcp timers to 
"solve" this.  The solution is to have a subnet scoped to support the peak 
number number of unique clients for a given day.


Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Jonathan Waldrep 
> wrote:

   > I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one larger 
network if need be



   We recently moved to this model and it has been great so far. One /17 
network per router.




   --

   Jonathan Waldrep

   Network Engineer

   Network Infrastructure and Services

   Virginia Tech



   On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Tony Skalski 
> wrote:

  >how do you stop roaming mobile devices from sucking up all your dhcp 
addresses?



  Devices always get the same IP address (until we change the VLAN 
assignments for the AP group (i.e. vap profile in Aruba-speak)). Granted, 
Aruba's VALN-assignment hashing algorithm is not perfect and once in a while 
one of the /24s assigned to the guest SSID exceeds 80% used (our alerting 
threshold), but that has only happened a few times since school started in 
September. I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one 
larger network if need be, given that Aruba has sufficient controls to deal 
with {broad,multi}cast traffic.



  ajs



  On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
> wrote:

 With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile 
devices from sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive 
portal helps reduce usage by roaming devices.





 Bruce Osborne

 Senior Network Engineer

 Network Operations - Wireless



  (434) 592-4229



 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY

 Training Champions for Christ since 1971



 From: Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
 Subject: Re: SSID names



 Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open 
SSID for college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was 
considerable overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them 
into one. We now have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK with 
1x-incapable devices using the guest network and removed the captive portal we 
had on the old guest SSID.





 On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero 
> wrote:


  These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID 
in our residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere 
but we don't currently.

TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different 
access levels (staff, student, guest)
TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
eduroam Guest like access for anyone

  Adam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM

To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Schuette, David]

We found the use of a captive portal to reduce the usage of our infrastructure 
and internet.  We went from over 60,000 unique clients to less than 28,000 a 
day..

Still have to dish out the addresses.



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Jake Snyder 
Date: 2/22/17 9:03 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

Clients will connect and take up an IP with or without a captive portal. They 
might stay connected longer without access to the internet, but they hit the 
captive portal which requires an IP.

To me, if you rely on a captive portal to solve dhcp issues, you've undersized 
your subnets and dhcp pools.  I see lots of orgs trying very low dhcp timers to 
"solve" this.  The solution is to have a subnet scoped to support the peak 
number number of unique clients for a given day.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Jonathan Waldrep 
> wrote:

> I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one larger 
> network if need be

We recently moved to this model and it has been great so far. One /17 network 
per router.

--
Jonathan Waldrep
Network Engineer
Network Infrastructure and Services
Virginia Tech

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Tony Skalski 
> wrote:
>how do you stop roaming mobile devices from sucking up all your dhcp addresses?

Devices always get the same IP address (until we change the VLAN assignments 
for the AP group (i.e. vap profile in Aruba-speak)). Granted, Aruba's 
VALN-assignment hashing algorithm is not perfect and once in a while one of the 
/24s assigned to the guest SSID exceeds 80% used (our alerting threshold), but 
that has only happened a few times since school started in September. I do have 
in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one larger network if need 
be, given that Aruba has sufficient controls to deal with {broad,multi}cast 
traffic.

ajs

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
> wrote:
With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile devices from 
sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive portal helps 
reduce usage by roaming devices.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: SSID names

Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open SSID for 
college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was considerable 
overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them into one. We now 
have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK with 1x-incapable 
devices using the guest network and removed the captive portal we had on the 
old guest SSID.


On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero 
> wrote:

  These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but we 
don't currently.

TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
(staff, student, guest)
TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
eduroam Guest like access for anyone

  Adam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
allowed by policy)

Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639
michael.dick...@umass.edu
PGP: 0x16777D39


On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
> consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
> to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
> maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
> our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
> well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
> network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
> MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
> with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
> role.  We 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Jake Snyder]

Clients will connect and take up an IP with or without a captive portal. They 
might stay connected longer without access to the internet, but they hit the 
captive portal which requires an IP.

To me, if you rely on a captive portal to solve dhcp issues, you've undersized 
your subnets and dhcp pools.  I see lots of orgs trying very low dhcp timers to 
"solve" this.  The solution is to have a subnet scoped to support the peak 
number number of unique clients for a given day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Jonathan Waldrep  wrote:
> 
> > I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one larger 
> > network if need be
> 
> We recently moved to this model and it has been great so far. One /17 network 
> per router.
> 
> --
> Jonathan Waldrep
> Network Engineer
> Network Infrastructure and Services
> Virginia Tech
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Tony Skalski  wrote:
>> >how do you stop roaming mobile devices from sucking up all your dhcp 
>> >addresses?
>> 
>> Devices always get the same IP address (until we change the VLAN assignments 
>> for the AP group (i.e. vap profile in Aruba-speak)). Granted, Aruba's 
>> VALN-assignment hashing algorithm is not perfect and once in a while one of 
>> the /24s assigned to the guest SSID exceeds 80% used (our alerting 
>> threshold), but that has only happened a few times since school started in 
>> September. I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these /24s into one 
>> larger network if need be, given that Aruba has sufficient controls to deal 
>> with {broad,multi}cast traffic.
>> 
>> ajs  
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
>>>  wrote:
>>> With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile devices 
>>> from sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive 
>>> portal helps reduce usage by roaming devices.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Bruce Osborne
>>> 
>>> Senior Network Engineer
>>> 
>>> Network Operations - Wireless
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  (434) 592-4229
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
>>> 
>>> Training Champions for Christ since 1971
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu] 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: SSID names
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open SSID 
>>> for college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was 
>>> considerable overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them 
>>> into one. We now have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK 
>>> with 1x-incapable devices using the guest network and removed the captive 
>>> portal we had on the old guest SSID.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
>>> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but 
>>> we don't currently.
>>> 
>>> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
>>> (staff, student, guest)
>>> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
>>> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
>>> 
>>>   Adam
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>>> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
>>> 
>>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>>> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
>>> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
>>> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, 
>>> as allowed by policy)
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Michael Dickson
>>> Network Analyst
>>> Information Technology
>>> University of Massachusetts Amherst
>>> 413-545-9639
>>> michael.dick...@umass.edu
>>> PGP: 0x16777D39
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
>>> > Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
>>> > consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
>>> > to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
>>> > maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
>>> > our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
>>> > well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
>>> > network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
>>> > MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
>>> > with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
>>> > role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
>>> > (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
>>> > the SSIDs in their environment?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance,
>>> >
>>> > Jim Stasik
>>> >

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Max McGrath]

Walter -

Can I use (aka *steal*) the bulk of your PDF?

Max

--
Max McGrath  
Network Administrator
Carthage College
262-551-
mmcgr...@carthage.edu

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel  wrote:

> I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.
>
>
>
> Joel Coehoorn
> Director of Information Technology
> 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603>
> *jcoeho...@york.edu *
>
> The mission of York College is to transform lives through
> Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
> God, family, and society
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUt
>> JZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view
>>
>> If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.
>>
>>
>> 
>> Walter Reynolds
>> Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
>> Information and Technology Services
>> University of Michigan
>> (734) 615-9438
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko  wrote:
>>
>>> Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand
>>> document related to interference.
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <
>>> j...@scrippscollege.edu > wrote:
>>>
>>> You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate
>>> is unlikely.
>>>
>>> IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days,
>>> we did try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices
>>> today that use 2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g.
>>> Apple’s Airdrop. You can minimize some of this by solving the reasons
>>> behind some of the interference sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve
>>> the service, reducing the rogue problem. Install residential printers to
>>> mitigate the need for student printers.
>>>
>>> Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while
>>> 2.4 is available, it’s mostly ignored.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
>>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >
>>> on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
>>> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
>>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >
>>> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
>>> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
>>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >
>>> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about
>>> interference
>>>
>>> Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!
>>>
>>> This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.
>>>
>>> Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of
>>> an education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz
>>> spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of
>>> notices, posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference
>>> the evils of rogues and other interference sources citing the negative
>>> impact they have on the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list
>>> we are seeing huge influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth
>>> devices and the like…
>>>
>>> if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons)
>>> Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
>>> ITS, University of Lethbridge
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
>>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
>>> http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
>>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
>>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
>>> http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hulko
>>> Network Analyst
>>>
>>> Western University Canada
>>> Network Operations Centre
>>> Information Technology Services
>>> 1393 Western Road, SSB 3300CC
>>> London, Ontario  N6G 1G9
>>>
>>> tel: 519-661-2111 x82433 <(519)%20661-2111>
>>> direct: 519-850-2433 <(519)%20850-2433>
>>> e-mail: mihu...@uwo.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
>>> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
>>> http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Tony Skalski]

>how do you stop roaming mobile devices from sucking up all your dhcp
addresses?

Devices always get the same IP address (until we change the VLAN
assignments for the AP group (i.e. vap profile in Aruba-speak)). Granted,
Aruba's VALN-assignment hashing algorithm is not perfect and once in a
while one of the /24s assigned to the guest SSID exceeds 80% used (our
alerting threshold), but that has only happened a few times since school
started in September. I do have in my back pocket a plan to flatten these
/24s into one larger network if need be, given that Aruba has sufficient
controls to deal with {broad,multi}cast traffic.

ajs

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) <
bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:

> With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile devices
> from sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive
> portal helps reduce usage by roaming devices.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Osborne*
>
> *Senior Network Engineer*
>
> *Network Operations - Wireless*
>
>
>
>  *(434) 592-4229 <(434)%20592-4229>*
>
>
>
> *LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*
>
> *Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
> *From:* Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: SSID names
>
>
>
> Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open SSID
> for college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was
> considerable overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them
> into one. We now have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK
> with 1x-incapable devices using the guest network and removed the captive
> portal we had on the old guest SSID.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:
>
>
>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our
> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but
> we don't currently.
>
> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access
> levels (staff, student, guest)
> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
>
>   Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>
> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices,
> as allowed by policy)
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Dickson
> Network Analyst
> Information Technology
> University of Massachusetts Amherst
> 413-545-9639
> michael.dick...@umass.edu
> PGP: 0x16777D39
>
>
> On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> > Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
> > consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
> > to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
> > maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
> > our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
> > well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
> > network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
> > MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
> > with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
> > role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> > (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
> > the SSIDs in their environment?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Jim Stasik
> >
> > Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
> >
> > Montgomery County Community College
> >
> > jsta...@mc3.edu
> >
> > 215.641.6678
> >
> > -
> >
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> > Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student
> > access and success.
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Re: In room WIFI - second example

[Michael Blaisdell]

This is a good example of what I was thinking.  When it comes to cost the 
Mikrotik boxes are less than the 1 year maintenance cost of the enterprise 
vendor.  So in theory I could replace the entire population of Mikrotiks every 
year and still not incur the initial $250k investment of the enterprise 
solution.



In my past job, I spent almost 10 years working with literally thousands of 
MikroTik devices. My only concern with your plan to use the HAP AC Lite is that 
the 2.4ghz radio is dual chain, while the 5ghz is single chain. In a high 
density environment, that single chain may cause you issues depending on how 
much attenuation you get from walls on 5ghz. 

With the scripting available on the MikroTik devices, automating configuration 
is really easy, all it requires is a web server and a database. You have the 
MikroTik do a web call to the web server with its MAC address as a parameter, 
and you either return a config script that you customize based on the database, 
or return a set of variables from the database which the script parses and uses 
to configure itself. They have recently added TR-069 configuration as well. 

Also, with as flexible as the MikroTik devices are, you could actually 
broadcast a neutral SSID as well as a room specific SSID, having the neutral 
SSID go back to a core router, and having the MikroTik do a private network for 
the room specific SSID.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Samuel Clements]

I'm personally a huge fan of 'you get what you pay for' but there have been
several new products 'on the low end' of the scale that could be
interesting to explore. While I'm reluctant to turn this into a sales
pitch, I know the 1815i was just announced at Cisco Live EU this week and
it's price point appears to be inline with the general tone of this
conversation. For those that don't need CleanAir, modularity, mgig,
extended operating ranges, dual uplinks, etc and 'just need some wifi' -
for a wave 2 AP with a built in WLC, it seems silly not to mention.
  -Sam

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Michael Blaisdell 
wrote:

> This is a good example of what I was thinking.  When it comes to cost the
> Mikrotik boxes are less than the 1 year maintenance cost of the enterprise
> vendor.  So in theory I could replace the entire population of Mikrotiks
> every year and still not incur the initial $250k investment of the
> enterprise solution.
>
>
>
> In my past job, I spent almost 10 years working with literally thousands
> of MikroTik devices. My only concern with your plan to use the HAP AC Lite
> is that the 2.4ghz radio is dual chain, while the 5ghz is single chain. In
> a high density environment, that single chain may cause you issues
> depending on how much attenuation you get from walls on 5ghz.
>
> With the scripting available on the MikroTik devices, automating
> configuration is really easy, all it requires is a web server and a
> database. You have the MikroTik do a web call to the web server with its
> MAC address as a parameter, and you either return a config script that you
> customize based on the database, or return a set of variables from the
> database which the script parses and uses to configure itself. They have
> recently added TR-069 configuration as well.
>
> Also, with as flexible as the MikroTik devices are, you could actually
> broadcast a neutral SSID as well as a room specific SSID, having the
> neutral SSID go back to a core router, and having the MikroTik do a private
> network for the room specific SSID.
>
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RE: SSID names

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

With the captive portal removed, how do you stop roaming mobile devices from 
sucking up all your dhcp addresses? We have found that a captive portal helps 
reduce usage by roaming devices.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Tony Skalski [mailto:a...@stolaf.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: SSID names

Up until this past summer, we had three SSIDs: a guest SSID, an open SSID for 
college users and a 1x protected SSID for college users. There was considerable 
overlap between the open and guest SSIDs, so we collapsed them into one. We now 
have: eduroam and 'St. Olaf Guest'. We decided we were OK with 1x-incapable 
devices using the guest network and removed the captive portal we had on the 
old guest SSID.


On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero 
> wrote:

  These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but we 
don't currently.

TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
(staff, student, guest)
TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
eduroam Guest like access for anyone

  Adam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
allowed by policy)

Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639
michael.dick...@umass.edu
PGP: 0x16777D39


On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
> consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
> to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
> maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
> our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
> well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
> network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
> MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
> with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
> role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
> the SSIDs in their environment?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678
>
> -
>
> Montgomery County Community College is proud to be designated as an
> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student
> access and success.
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a...@stolaf.edu
507-786-3227
St. Olaf College
Information Technology
1510 St. Olaf Avenue
Northfield, MN55057-1097

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RE: SSID names

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

How are users onboarding? Manual configuration?


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229
 
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dickson [mailto:mdick...@nic.umass.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: SSID names

eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
allowed by policy)

Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639
michael.dick...@umass.edu
PGP: 0x16777D39


On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to 
> consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names 
> to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but 
> maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on 
> our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as 
> well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest 
> network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call 
> MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators, 
> with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate 
> role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
> the SSIDs in their environment?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jim Stasik
> 
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
> 
> Montgomery County Community College
> 
> jsta...@mc3.edu
> 
> 215.641.6678
> 
> -
> 
> Montgomery County Community College is proud to be designated as an 
> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student 
> access and success.
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> EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 
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RE: SSID names

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

A few years ago there was a push to refer to our university as Liberty instead 
of LU Our major SSID names are:

Liberty-Guest – open --self registered & sponsored guest & event access
Liberty-Wireless – open – 802.1X onboarding & mac auth for non-802.1X devices
Liberty-Secure – WPA2 Enterprise PEAP MSCHAPv2 – Secure access for staff, 
students, & vendors.

We will likely be moving to EAP-TLS at least for some devices. We have other 
SSIDs for special purposes or for some of our external related organizations.

Self-registered guest access is bandwidth limited. Sponsored guest & event 
access is less limited.
For events, we currently setup a time-limited guest account with a password. 
This functions much like a PSK but without the encryption.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Jim Stasik [mailto:jsta...@mc3.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:36 PM
Subject: SSID names

Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider 
renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the function 
of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a little too close 
to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so have just two primary 
SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is 
our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network 
which we call MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and 
administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the 
appropriate role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can 
remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Stasik
Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
Montgomery County Community College
jsta...@mc3.edu
215.641.6678





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